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Nikon D800 wins Camera Grand Prix 2012 award and public 'best camera' vote

By dpreview staff on May 15, 2012 at 19:30 GMT

Nikon's D800 has been awarded the prestigious Camera Grand Prix 2012 title and also won the public vote for best camera. The awards, organized by the Japanese 'Camera Journal Press Club' also recognized the Canon EF8-15mm F4L USM as lens of the year. Meanwhile, the Editors Awards were given to Sony's NEX-7 and the Olympus m.Zuiko 45mm F1.8.

The main awards, established in 1984, are selected by a 57-member panel made up from the Camera Journal Press Club (CJPS), along with a selection of editors and experts from around the world. The Editors Awards, meanwhile, are decided between the council members of the CJPS. The Editors Awards have a history of recognizing significant products, including Sony's back-illuminated CMOS technology and the Panasonic G1 (the first mirrorless interchangeable lens camera), rather than just the high-end heavyweights.

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Total comments: 155
JamesMoyna
By JamesMoyna (May 19, 2012)

This is tooo funny, same thing took place w hen Mr. Obama got the Nobel's prize for peace as soon as he became the president... In my book the Nobel's prize became a joke as did the Grand prix award with this...

Just to be clear, I'm ot saying that the D800 is a bad camera, I am just stating that it is to early to give it a Grand Prix...

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CanonFanBoy
By CanonFanBoy (May 19, 2012)

Awesome Nikon ... the D800 truly deserves the award!!!

I am wondering why Canon is charging its customers $500 more for a sub-par alternative???!!!!!!

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Heather Protz
By Heather Protz (May 18, 2012)

Really deserves it. The camera is awesome.

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donabate
By donabate (May 17, 2012)

If Nikon could only manage to get the camera in to the shops we could all try it. It's been a bit of a disaster up to now. In Ireland there's only been a few available up to now. Word is it may be July before the promised ones arrive.

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snegron
By snegron (May 17, 2012)

Ok, seriously? While I am a long-time Nikon fan, I have to admit this "Public Best Camera Award" is the most absurd thing I have heard in awhile. How can people vote on a camera they haven't even used yet?!? This is just another way to produce extra hype for a camera so that it sells better when it finally becomes available to the public.

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BitFarmer
By BitFarmer (May 17, 2012)

Well, I haven't used it yet, but I am pretty confident it surpases my actual D300s in many ways.

I never tried a Ferrari, but I do prefer it to my actual car, eyes closed!

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audijam
By audijam (May 17, 2012)

just like how kids used to compare MIG29 and F15 which 2 never (i assumed) engaged in a real dog fight and not to mention none of us has even seen one in real life.....touch one? no way...LOL!!!

D800 is awesome no doubt about it but the argument here is WHO is the public and WHO presented the public.

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Jahled
By Jahled (May 16, 2012)

The D800 is without doubt a lovely camera, though a bit slow for what I need; which is where the 5D3 trumps for me.

I am however curious as to why the new Canon fisheye won best overall lens? I have seen very little shot from it to convince me it is even an improvement from the 15mm 2.8 Prime, or are they entirely separate beasts? Genuinely perplexed about this

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Spooner
By Spooner (May 16, 2012)

I've spent most of a week testing the D800, and regardless of how it came to get this accolade, it is justly deserved. No matter how good a photographer you are, the D800 will hold a mirror up to you and your lenses and force you to look at the flaws. It's unforgiving, but it's awesome.

John

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Jason Selznick
By Jason Selznick (May 17, 2012)

Spooner...very astute, love the statement, also can't wait to get my hands on one of these!

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Reality Check
By Reality Check (May 16, 2012)

@ numerous posts

Not bashing or soliciting a debate, the D800 is a great camera for Nikon to have in its stable, but it is not 'revolutionary' to the industry other than megapixel count - and the correct term in that regard is 'inevitable'.

As for the performance of the D800, any camera with a high megapixel count presents an opportunity to bin the output and increase the perceived noise levels and dynamic range performance. The 'advantage' the D800 provides is a ~78% binning as used by DxO (8mp image = 8x12 @ 300dpi) to achieve its 'record breaking' score - simply a higher compression than other sensors currently provide, not superiority of the sensor. Comparisons at the same compression ratio are not performed (24mp = ~5mp image, 22mp = ~4.5mp image, 12mp = ~3mp image, etc).

As for the sensor itself (per pixel level performance) there are several other cameras that have better performance results. Against its direct competitor, aside from pixel count, Nikon simply played catch up.

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AnHund
By AnHund (May 16, 2012)

He..he. Best DR so far, great high ISO performance and entering medium format territory - would not exactly call it catch up :-)

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OneThird
By OneThird (May 16, 2012)

..aside from pixel count, here are the other reasons as voted by the general public (in no particular order).

-highest MP FF camera.
-affordable camera for the amateur photographer.
-supports the latest PC interface UHS-I, USB 3.0
-high sensitivity (DR) and low noise.
-comparable to medium format camera.
-overwhelming image quality.
-slow frame rate is like shooting with film, works on one picture carefully at a time.

Congrats to Nikon!

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edorf_71
By edorf_71 (May 16, 2012)

Incredible. Joined today to tell us this? U're a funny guy/gal. Reality Check indeed... ;)

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Reality Check
By Reality Check (May 16, 2012)

What difference does it make when a profile was created. Maybe I forgot my password or something...

I am not saying that the D800 is a bad camera, or that it cannot yield great images. The reality however is it does not provide the best dynamic range, nor ISO performance at the sensor level - only when evaluated by a down sampled (pixel binned) image.

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Reality Check
By Reality Check (May 16, 2012)

I suggest looking at the data yourself before getting your panties in a wad because someone else does not think your dream camera is as great as you do.

Someone posted a response in another thread regarding the sensor level performance, using the same system that gave it the recording breaking score (DxO), and I was surprised myself to see that at the sensor level it is good, but clearly not the best.

There are at least three other cameras that perform better at the sensor level, and if those cameras were rated based on a test image of ~78% pixel bin, they would not only score higher than their current score but higher than the D800.

As widely accepted as DxOMark is, it is amazing how many people do not understand the way they evaluate the scores. What I see from most people is simply depending on which brand they like the best (regardless of reason) they do not care how the scores are derived as long as their ego is satisfied. My opposition is to that mentality, not the camera.

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SiliconVoid
By SiliconVoid (May 16, 2012)

I think many people are primarily concerned with what the D800 is able to 'produce' rather than what it technically captures. In that context it certainly looks to be the best of what is available.

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Reality Check
By Reality Check (May 17, 2012)

@AnHund
The DR is only higher if binning the image, at the sensor level both the D4 and 5DmkIII are higher (to give two examples.) Compare either of those cameras at the same ~78% pixel bin and they will score higher than the D800. Try it yourself if you want.

Nikon was able to maintain comparative ISO to the D700 (binned!) which is impressive - but also essentially a requirement if they hoped D700 users to upgrade.

MF photography isn't just mps and DxO Dynamic Range scores. I can get 40x60 canvas prints with the same detail from my H4D-40 (representing a mere ~20mp density compared to 35mm) because the better designed, higher-tech, larger photosites resolve more detail per pixel.

Nikon basically took a 5DmkII/D700 model, added mp, video, and better AF system, which is certainly a blow to their competitors after milking the D700 for so long. But wait, DOH!, that is essentially the same thing Canon did with the 5DmkIII.

So, yeah, they played catch-up aside from the mp increase. ;=)

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russbarnes
By russbarnes (May 17, 2012)

Run back to your Hasselblad forum - you're another Medium Format snob who can't accept that Nikon can produce something at a quarter of the price of anything Blad can and still produce an image that few if anyone can tell the difference between. You're post makes you as bad as the hysterical Canon faithful who are running round with a PowerShot in their hands.

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AnHund
By AnHund (May 17, 2012)

@reality Check.
DxoMark uses same method for measuring so I guess the numbers are directly comparable - otherwise even D700 trumphs 5DIII in all areas due to lower pixel count (12MP against 22.3MP):

5DIII: Color depth, DR, ISO = 24bits, 11.7 Evs, 2293 ISO.

D700: Color depth, DR, ISO = 23.5bits,12.2 Evs, 2303 ISO.

D4: Color depth, DR, ISO = 24.7bits, 13.1 Evs, 2965 ISO.

D800: Color depth, DR, ISO = 25.3bits, 14.4 Evs, 2853 ISO

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RP McMurphy
By RP McMurphy (May 17, 2012)

Nikon may have simply played catch up but there's few other cameras out there that evidently can keep up with it now

But I dont get the vitriol in trying to denigrate a camera that seems pretty amazing unless one has invested in a system that the D800 now renders more obsolete - for example if I had spent a lot of money on MF systems right now I'd be suffering from the massive costs for the very slight improvement and I'd probably feel inclined to make myself feel better by rubbishing the D800

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BitFarmer
By BitFarmer (May 17, 2012)

With todays's sensor technology you can easily made a 1 MP sensor that clearly wins at pixel level in dynamic range, noise, iso, etc. compared to anything, but doing it at 34 MP gets much more difficult.

So when comparing at pixel level, number of pixel do count: Donwsample all sources to the same MP and them you can make a fair comparasion... but then D800 clearly wins them all.

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Rage Joe
By Rage Joe (May 18, 2012)

@"Reality Check"

"The reality however is it does not provide the best dynamic range, ...............- only when evaluated by a down sampled (pixel binned) image"

heheheeh! What a "reality check"! But the reality is that you don't understand a rat's ass what you are talking about.

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Reality Check
By Reality Check (May 18, 2012)

@Rage Joe
I am sorry you are not aware of the effect of downsampling, however your ignorance of the technology has little to do with my day to day working knowledge.

While there is certainly specific software today to perform pixel binning for image quality purposes, and even maintaining the same image dimensions if required, it is also the bases of how any software downsamples images. Downsampling algorithms utilizes evaluative pixel comparison and overlay to 'compress' the file resulting in an image of smaller dimension with lower pixel count. If pixels were simply removed, no matter the matrix, you would lose detail not to mention a zero gain in color, tone, dynamic range or noise reduction.
The image file DxO creates and uses for evaluation is not by feeding a printer the ~75mb 36mp file and printing, it is the cameras output file downsampled to 8mp digitally for software measurement of its data.

Thank you for comments though.

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Reality Check
By Reality Check (May 18, 2012)

@AnHund
No offense but you only reinforce my point of accepting/proclaiming a score regardless of how it is derived, simply because it satisfies what one wants to see or say.

I am not debating the worth of the D800, attempting to sway anyone Canon or MF, massaging my insecurities, nor do I care which camera someone chooses. My objection, again, was to the bases of measurement used by those wanting their favorite brand to have the highest rating without regard to the accuracy of the testing method.

Comparing a ~78% pixel binned image against a ~50% is hardly an accurate comparison. I stated nothing about less mp and better results, I stated unless compared at the same percentage you merely create a scenario where any higher mp camera performs better than its predecessor automatically - even then that assumes even though mp count gets higher you are STILL not printing bigger than 8x12 (the output size used by DxO) and pretty much the opposite reason many are looking at the D800.

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Rage Joe
By Rage Joe (May 21, 2012)

@Reality Check

A reality check for you: The expression "Dynamic range" means how bright and dark areas of the scene you can capture in one exposure - how many evs is the range from the darkest part to the lightest part still visible in the image (for D800 that is 14,4 evs @100 ISO ). And that has nothing to do with in which size you look at your captured image.

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King Penguin
By King Penguin (May 16, 2012)

Nice cam but I think I'll wait for the D600, apparently its gonna be FX and a lot cheaper..... :)

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Boomgate
By Boomgate (May 17, 2012)

... however nikonrumors.com suggests that it will not have a built in AF motor, and the AF system will probably be similar to that of the D7000.... which isn't a patch on the D800. It will be missing other features aswell, but the AF system is a real deal-breaker for me.

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King Penguin
By King Penguin (May 17, 2012)

The D800 is undoubtably a very fine cam, but for a budget photographer like me it is too expensive and being a rambler a little on the big size, so I'll wait for a smaller version at a cheaper price.......it's bound to happen in a year or so.

I like using primes as well.....as they are generally sharper, faster and much much more compact.

Hoping Nikon will launch some wider AFS primes as well, then I'd be a happy bunny as I would have the digital equiv. of what I had 20 years ago!

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LSE
By LSE (May 17, 2012)

yup. D600 = awesomess. NO screw AF = pure win. time to get rid of that obsolete technology when nikon has switched anything that is worth it to AF-S

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Joseph S Wisniewski
By Joseph S Wisniewski (May 17, 2012)

"however nikonrumors.com suggests that it will not have a built in AF motor,"

Right. Because one of the arguments most often brought up in favor of a "low cost full frame" is the enormous assortment of "film days" lenses.

Nikon Rumors has a severe RCI problem.

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AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (May 17, 2012)

The point of no focus motor (if any of this is even true) is to increase the number of lenses sold. This has historically been a problem with cameras whose lens mount has been around for a long time. People buy the body or one new lens and they're gone. Almost like selling an inkjet printer and no ink.

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King Penguin
By King Penguin (May 17, 2012)

Forgive my ignorance but RCI? What does it mean......I've only just discovered that 'OMG' isn't a new Olympus body and LOL doesn't stand for 'Leica or Lumix'!

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Bruce deGraaf
By Bruce deGraaf (May 16, 2012)

As primarily a Bird/Wildlife/Butterfly shooter, I still prefer a cropped sensor. The Canon 7D that was announced in September 2009 still has a higher pixel density that the D800. By my calculations, the effective pixel width for the 7D is 4.3 micrometers versus 4.9 for the D800. It will be interesting to see the performance and features of the 7D Mark II that is rumored to have 26MP and the 61 point AutoFocus system from the 5DM3. At least to me, this camera doesn't seem like a huge leap forward, but rather an expected incremental step.

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audijam
By audijam (May 16, 2012)

voted by public? man...coming out with the winner is easier than the making of the movie of "The Dictator"

I now announce the winner is D800 and shut your mouth or you will die....LOL!!!! shut up and you all voted for D800, yes you did!....shut up! bang bang bang~

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RP McMurphy
By RP McMurphy (May 17, 2012)

You edited this? Would hate to see how nonsensical it was before

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audijam
By audijam (May 17, 2012)

you just don't get the joke..lol. it's okay you tried.

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onlooker
By onlooker (May 16, 2012)

Apparently the "voting public" doesn't focus on the left side. ;)

/putting my asbestos underwear/

Just curious - how many of those voting have actually used the camera? Or is it "voting by spec"?

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SiliconVoid
By SiliconVoid (May 16, 2012)

Most likely: Votes cast based on DxO ranking, brand-war loyalty..

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King Penguin
By King Penguin (May 16, 2012)

Obviously 'the public' are as opinionated as the people on this forum :)

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OptimaMoving
By OptimaMoving (May 16, 2012)

Good job Nikon.

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Suave
By Suave (May 16, 2012)

I've got to wonder how many members of voting public ever seen, let alone touched a D800.

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RP McMurphy
By RP McMurphy (May 17, 2012)

Or how many people can vote for a different camera as being best without comparing it to a D800?

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4x4fun
By 4x4fun (May 16, 2012)

From my point of view - it's the same as awarding unicorn being best horse... problem is what not many actually saw one and I'm not even mentioning riding experience :/

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RP McMurphy
By RP McMurphy (May 17, 2012)

Well the public aren't going to make a great decision in comparing models since they're unlikelyto own sveral different cameras

So what's your point? That the public feel that the D800 is the best from what they have read or seen instead of choosing another camera as best from they have read or seen?

However there are lots of horse shows and I've never seen a unicorn win so perhaps using an example nobody voted for isn't the best way to explain your point

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rhlpetrus
By rhlpetrus (May 16, 2012)

Hehehe, lots of envious non-Nikon users around ... D800/E are awesome, no doubt, a "game-changer" as many say, MF IQ in a compact 3,000USD body with incredible DR and high ISO performance as well. No wonder it's in the top5 at Amazon's dslr best-selling list since release.

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tonganqn
By tonganqn (May 16, 2012)

Great! the winner is a camera that suffers from AF issues, viewfinder misalignment, lock/freeze issues, etc. I'm wondering what does this say about the judges giving this award, uh.

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JakeB
By JakeB (May 16, 2012)

Envious.

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RP McMurphy
By RP McMurphy (May 17, 2012)

With all those issues it must be a truly outstanding camera then.

I guess what it says about the judges is that they aren't bitter that they're not getting one

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BitFarmer
By BitFarmer (May 17, 2012)

Did you tried it by yourself, or you are voting "from specs" too?

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tonganqn
By tonganqn (May 18, 2012)

haha! envious myself? no way, I'm a Nikon fan with Nikon gear. I'm being objective which is something many are not. I had the chance to try it 2 days ago at the store when a friend's order arrived. I can't believe that a $3000+ camera can't deliver with one of Nikon's best lenses, the 85 f/1.4. Trying the same lens on his old D700 and my D300s we had amazing quality. Anyway, he was wise to let it go and wait until the AF get fixed. You've gotta be wise when you are investing $3000+ on a camera system.

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garyknrd
By garyknrd (May 16, 2012)

Nothing against the D800 I wish I could get one but I am Canon poor....
I am very surprised the new Canon 300mm f2.8 ll did not win an award here. It is a fantastic ++++ improvement over the old one...
Wop's I forgot that was last year... when it came out.

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chooflaki
By chooflaki (May 16, 2012)

Does anyone know what was the best tripod winner was so that we can match it to this camera?

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Denis James Evans
By Denis James Evans (May 16, 2012)

Is this for 2011 or 2012? Absurd.

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fz750
By fz750 (May 16, 2012)

why absurd? Presumably they include any cameras since the last award and the award is made in 2012...

Both the D800 and Nex-7 are currently the best cameras in their class and were released in the last 12 months..

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TheNikonPhotoGuy
By TheNikonPhotoGuy (May 16, 2012)

To be specific, this is from a more in-depth article on this award:

"The Camera GP2012 Camera of the Year award is presented to the best still camera released on the Japanese market between April 1, 2011 and March 31, 2012."

It was released during this period.

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Graystar
By Graystar (May 16, 2012)

Shouldn't they wait until 2012 is over before picking a winner for 2012?

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Adrian Layden
By Adrian Layden (May 16, 2012)

Taken a leaf out of the 'Car of the Year' book, which seems to be announced at the beginning of the year based on journalists opinions rather than whether the thing still works after you've had it 6 months.

\Not jealous, would if I could.

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TheNikonPhotoGuy
By TheNikonPhotoGuy (May 16, 2012)

Again, as posted above, most articles about this award included this info:

"The Camera GP2012 Camera of the Year award is presented to the best still camera released on the Japanese market between April 1, 2011 and March 31, 2012."

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CameraLabTester
By CameraLabTester (May 16, 2012)

Awards bestow upon the winner the rightful pedestal of achievement.

Congratulations to Nikon.

The real winner of these awards are the consumers.

.

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Tape5
By Tape5 (May 16, 2012)

When you throw something very good at the market, it is praised and put aside.

When the product is very very good by a large margin, it freaks people out and causes confusion and disorientation.

D800 is one such product.

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Mike Scott
By Mike Scott (May 16, 2012)

By a large margin.... give me a break!!!

Why do people have to be so dramatic?

It's a great camera and likely deserves the title, but for many it isn't the best.

Mike

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TheNikonPhotoGuy
By TheNikonPhotoGuy (May 16, 2012)

This is the best way to explain this phenomemon that I have heard so far & I definitely agree.

No one detail may be revolutionary but the combination of medium format image sensor resolution without sacrificing sensor noise and broad (best?) dynamic range at a price that is far below what might be expected for this combination of features IS revolutionary.

But personally , I would say just the sensor with it's overall performance without the expected poorer noise trade-off is revolutionary. I can use the center portion of the image at still relatively high pixel count (like in DX mode) and suddenly my 70-200mm F2.8 can be a 140-400 f2.8 without spending around $7,000 for a lens like this.

Much like the 240Z when it first sold for $4,000 initially (yes, I am rather hold, ha ha) was revolutionary for what you got at that price. Many cars had more power or as good or better handling but no where near that price point.

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Jahled
By Jahled (May 17, 2012)

I'm with Mike here; calm down folks. Yes it's a nice camera, but it really hasn't shaken the pillars of heaven for a lot of photographer's needs, nor really ascended into the stratosphere above everything else, or caused "confusion and disorientation."

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Kinnaird
By Kinnaird (May 17, 2012)

It does not match or come close to matching a CCD med format chip in any way! It is a step in CMOs developement which has only seen refinements over the past 4-5 years...no big steps, No need to wet your pants over this. Canon controlling noise in the CMOs chip when many said CCD was the only way to go, that was a big step.

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Stanley zheng
By Stanley zheng (May 22, 2012)

@tape5, hmmmmmm, man you are an intelligent person.... yeah.. super duper products create confusion... yeah... really a statement from a super duper intelligent person.... and you make me freak out and confused, and wondering how did you ever come up with that logic.....

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gl2k
By gl2k (May 16, 2012)

If only it would be available in numbers ... and less flawed.
I'll buy one in a few months. Compared to what it is capable of it's a steal.

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Just a Photographer
By Just a Photographer (May 16, 2012)

Most of those so called flaws are user errors.
I am happy with my D800 and it works flawless.

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russbarnes
By russbarnes (May 16, 2012)

Cue more jealousy and petty comments from Canon forum 'faithful' no doubt. This award is merely another endorsement of this class leading technology, nothing we don't know.

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ddolde
By ddolde (May 16, 2012)

I will NEVER buy a D800

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photo nuts
By photo nuts (May 16, 2012)

Why?

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russbarnes
By russbarnes (May 16, 2012)

Because he's small minded :)

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Atheist eDNA
By Atheist eDNA (May 16, 2012)

He can't afford it ?

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Just a Photographer
By Just a Photographer (May 16, 2012)

He's a Canon user full of envy.... Sad!

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KSV
By KSV (May 16, 2012)

I (Nikon D700 user) will not say that I will never buy D800 - if I need replacement I will be forced to, there is no choice. But I do not like the idea. I love to see D700 with 12MP D3S (or better in low ISO) sensor with 100% viewfinder and PLEASE no f----g video! (Please do not tell me that if I do not like it I could just not use it - video compromises still. Period.) This would be my happy replacement that I could happily buy in 2-3 years. But if Nikon only could launch D700 in B/W mode (like Leica), I would buy it in heartbeat!

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marike6
By marike6 (May 16, 2012)

@KSV - Video Mode on the D800 is completely self contained in that the is a LiveView photo mode and a separate one for video. You need never, ever go into video mode (Live View video) if you choose not to.

I love shooting B&W film, but I don't get the whole B&W camera thing as LR and NIK Silver Effects Pro have tons of awesome B&W filters including replicating red, green, and yellow filters. But a B&W only camera has no color, nor could it ever have color.

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KSV
By KSV (May 16, 2012)

@marike6 - designing of video-enable sensor means compromising it still ability. Ergonomic being carved for decades with still in mind getting bastardized in video favor. Now they came to lenses, to make stepless aperture. Canon screw up mirror making it semitransparent. List going to be only longer. And as result you still cannot effectively shoot video from hand - ergonomic of whole "device" still not capable for this and PROPER tripod required. But do not worry - they working to bastardize it even future. YMMV though.

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RP McMurphy
By RP McMurphy (May 17, 2012)

@KSV
Dont follow your logic at all - the D800 sensor is better than the D700 sensor even with video so why would you wish for an inferior sensor just because it can do video
Black and white only without the bayer array is going to give you < stop improvement in light - you can increase the ISO to compensate and then downsize and you have your B&W D700

So what if some people are making video lenses - dont buy them

Sounds to me like you want to give the image of a no compromise photgrapher but what you are railing against is not worsening stills photography - it gets better all the time despite any video technology inclusion

The D800 is hardly compromised in it's ability to take top class still photography

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KSV
By KSV (May 17, 2012)

@RP McMurphy
It been beaten to death and if you do not accept arguments, so be it - no-one will be able to change it. My points are crystal clear - if they do lesser pixel sensor without video capability ON THE SAME TECHNOLOGY it yet will be better. Do I "need" it? Nope - even D700 aplenty. Will I be better photographer with yet better sensor? Nope - even D700 aplenty. Do I LIKE to have yet better one? You bet it! You honestly believe that B/W only less then a stop of improvement? Really? How about vast majority of pixels after bayer filter no more then approximation - does it trigger anything in your brain? And yet again - do I "need" it? Read above. And indeed D800 IS compromised. Like 5DMkII and plenty of other herd oriented cameras. Have a good day.

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RP McMurphy
By RP McMurphy (May 18, 2012)

Of course it's compromised. If the camera limited because it subscribed to the purist philosophy you seem to want then it will surely impact on flexibility

You said that the D700 is plenty so if this does not improve on D700 we should be happy with the results - ergot, more is essentially more than what we need. If we keep the same quality but introduce video then the camera doesn't get any worse but adds what many people have wanted

If you want a niche product, buy one - this is an SLR which by their very design are compromises where portability is needed, the whole mirror function is a basic compromise to image quality

The bayer function is a fudge to image quality as well

Leica are the type of camera maker which would probably appeal to you, they can afford to operate in a niche market, an SLR must be many things to many people

If you want purist then get a purist camera, don't rail that a camera designed to appeal to many types of photographer isn't tailored just for you

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picthis
By picthis (May 16, 2012)

photonuts, latest generation of NEX have improved over last generation and are great cameras but there are also better ones, don't be such as NEXfanboy. D800 is a superb camera, I don't know how NEX can beat it with APC-C sensor vs full-frame sensor, they are two different beasts. Full-frame sensor is more than twice as big as APC-C sensors in area. If you had the same number of pixels on a larger sensor, you would theoretically have better image quality and better low light performance. Also D800 has 36 meg vs 24 meg of NEX 7. It's like saying smaller sensors should beat APC-C sensors when it comes to IQ and low-light performance. In fact, even here @ DP, D800 scores 82% vs its competition while NeX 7 at 81% in its class. And the reason that it won the Editor Choice award. So lighten up, the world doesn't revolve around Sony.

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photo nuts
By photo nuts (May 16, 2012)

I am NOT referring to D800 vs NEX/Axx. :)

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picthis
By picthis (May 16, 2012)

Well, your complaining in 2012 Grand Prix thread with Nikon D800 as the winner. Bringing out past winners to compare to 2012 NEX is a bit biased, don't you think?

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snow14
By snow14 (May 16, 2012)

this is clearly about high MP people love the high miga pixels camera they gave that award to the 5dii in 1999 becuase it has highest MP at the time of release,not many people going to print billboard size and benefit from 36mp also there are not many lenses in nikon linup that has good enough resolving power to take advantage of all that36 MP ,i guess the markting team at nikon did good job.

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snow14
By snow14 (May 16, 2012)

edit 5dii 2009

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marike6
By marike6 (May 16, 2012)

Nikon has over 140 lenses available now, and a few of them are pretty good from what I'm told. :-)

And a high MP camera that scores close to 3000 ISO score at DxOMark is not your grandma's high MP camera.

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photo nuts
By photo nuts (May 16, 2012)

@marke6: Going by the list of previous winners, I do not think sensor quality is even under consideration here. Reviewers for the Camera Grand Prix prize score the cameras according to their overall capabilities and innovative technology.

It's also why I find it perplexing the Sony Axx series cameras have not won anything so far for the Camera Grand Prix. It offers new technology for a digital interchangeable lens camera. In this regard, Popular Photography's choices for Camera of the Year seem to make more sense:

2011: Sony NEX7
2010: Sony A55
2009: Nikon D3X
2008: Panasonic Lumix G1
2007: Nikon D300
2006: Sony A100
2005: Canon 5D
2004: Nikon D70

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Just a Photographer
By Just a Photographer (May 16, 2012)

So sad to see your envy for the D800.

This camera is more then only megapixels.
It has superb IQ. Very good DR and performs very well under low light.

Too bad that Canon made not any progress over the last three years. But for that you need to be at Canon and not dissing this camera.

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photo nuts
By photo nuts (May 16, 2012)

@Just a Photographer:

Absolutely true. Canon has totally stagnated.

But no one can deny D800 is more an evolutionary success than a revolutionary product. In this regard, the Sony Axx is more worthy of Grand Prix than a Nikon fanboy like you will care to admit.

BTW, the sensor in the D800 is STILL made by Sony in case you have not noticed. So, what's there to boast about? It uses Sony's patented EXMOR technology to achieve that incredible DR, no thanks to Nikon.

Like I said, these awards are meant to praise cameras that demonstrate new capabilities and innovative technology. Sensor achievements are not under consideration.

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ovrebekk
By ovrebekk (May 16, 2012)

@photo nuts

So true. It doesn't matter if the D800 is a good camera. If any part of the camera is not made by Nikon the camera itself shouldn't get any praise, just like the iPhone didn't get any praise since many components in it were made by Samsung...

And yes, I'm sarcastic :P

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KSV
By KSV (May 16, 2012)

"This camera is more then only megapixels."
Yup. But if they would do 12MP on the same technology, then IQ will be better, DR will be wider and it will be performing astonishingly in low light. Some happy trade those extras for pixels. Me not.

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Syracuse
By Syracuse (May 16, 2012)

If the sensor is made by Sony, why Sony could not make a camera with very good DR, making lots of money ? Something stuck there in Sony !

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Just a Photographer
By Just a Photographer (May 16, 2012)

I'll gladly admit its due to Sony's sensor technology.
Too bad though that Sony can't make any good DSLR with it themselves..

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RP McMurphy
By RP McMurphy (May 17, 2012)

@KSV
Yo0u can have 12mp performance by downsampling to 12MP
It doesn't work the other way though

I'm glad to get a camera that can outperform the D700 in the areas the D700 excelled at but when the necessity requires can get 36MP or crop with impunity

It's so flexible because you can compromise on the areas you want to get what you want, it's a high MP machine, it's a v competent low light machine, it can achieve the highest DR of any camera - so it can take on any competition in any area and still be a front runner

When all said and done though you cannot get the same detail at 12mp with the D700 than you can get with the D800

I wont print v often at the sizes this camera can achieve but my images are going to be sharper at the sizes I do print with than if I used a lower MP camera

Dont see what's not to like unless you have an old technology and are starting to feel bad about it so you deride the replacement

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KSV
By KSV (May 17, 2012)

@RP McMurphy
Downsampling. Also been beaten to death. Why do I need to do downsampling if I can get YET EVEN BETTER results with native lower resolution sensor? Did you ever compare A3+ prints from 6MP 10MP and 12MP sensors? From your post it is obviously that you not - all pixel peepers study outputs on screen in 400% magnification. Yep, you found "more details" in this way. Do you need them if they invisible on prints? I personally do not - I would rather have more DR better ISO etc. But of course YMMV. Cheers & congrats - you bound to win in this conversation because herd will follow pixelmania, they simply cannot get anything else.

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LSE
By LSE (May 17, 2012)

nearly every nikon lens is ok as long as it is not a kit lens. the sensor pitch is merely the same as a D7000. Lenses are stressed a lot more with an old 7D which has a higher pitch and nobody complains ther lenses don't resolve.

stop spreading missinformation. you're just spreading myths.

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BitFarmer
By BitFarmer (May 17, 2012)

photo nuts: If only innovation scores for you, then you should spect Lytro to win, but usability and IQ in real world shoots is also taken into account, so there is a balance and D800 seems to win when all factor are summed.

Some years canon wins in this innovation+usability, others it is nikon, or sony, it doesn0t matter, this is the game that force them all to make better cameras, so it is good to have fan boys flaming over the others... you just can buy better and cheaper cameras every year!

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Rage Joe
By Rage Joe (May 18, 2012)

@KSV Just check the DR and the High Iso performance of the D800, since it's just on the top. The "bad DR because of too many pixels" D800 just conveniently happens to have the best DR of all digital cameras you can buy, so far. So what's to complain?

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KSV
By KSV (May 18, 2012)

@Rage Joe
I complain that they can achieve yet even better DR and/or high ISO performance with fewer pixels. DR and high ISO is always welcome while pixels (after certain point of course) not. You cannot substitute one by another - does not matter what downsampling brigade advocates. 12MP is plenty for A3+ prints and I do not do bigger. 36MP is waste of space, time and resources for 95% shooters. Only very few really need them. But in return if you do indeed like to utilize those so "needed" pixels you have to use very careful shooting technique and use best possible glass (this what they said in review, and I truly agree). And we already paying for that megapixelburden by mediocre FPS and not-so-fast overall response. Those pixels just marketing gimmick. Prove? Look at top FF professional cameras from Canon and Nikon - both have far fewer pixelcount. Why? Because professionals do not need them. But somehow soccer mums do. Live me alone.

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RP McMurphy
By RP McMurphy (May 18, 2012)

@KSV
The D800 isn't just for amateurs, it will be used by pros who do not need FPS. FPS is useless for most except sports pros and spray and pray amateurs

The extra MP give more detail when downsized and allows more flexibility in cropping
In case you are anti cropping consider the various display formats on offer today and tell me no photographer needs to crop to suit display
YOU may not print >A3 but others do AND 36MP will do more for your A3 than 12MP

Dont want it, dont buy it, but dont criticise those that see the advantages of the system

Ooh, you say they could have done more by lowering MP but those that want the extra speed or even higher ISO can buy it with a tool that is better suited for low light and speed, the D4

This gives high performance in many areas not just in the areas that you personally favour

Another one who moans that it isn't made exactly to their tastes - it seems to me with the public response to this camera, Nikon made exactly the right camera

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Rage Joe
By Rage Joe (May 18, 2012)

As a workig pro I don't remember to have ever needed high frames per second rate. That's just for sports shooters and one can argue how much does that have anything to do with the art of photography.

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Rage Joe
By Rage Joe (May 18, 2012)

"or even higher ISO can buy it with a tool that is better suited for low light and speed, the D4"

Well, as far as High ISO is concerned, the difference between a D800 and a D4 is practically non existent.

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photo nuts
By photo nuts (May 16, 2012)

Camera Grand Prix:

2012 - Nikon D800
2011 - Pentax 645D
2010 - Olympus PEN E-P1
2009 - Canon 5D Mk 2
2008 - Nikon D3
2007 - Pentax K10D
2006 - Nikon D200
2005 - Konica Minolta Maxxum 7D

Based on past results, I'll say the award really does not mean much. Fro example, there are some non-deserving winners while other deserving ones like Sony NEX/Axx never won.

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photo nuts
By photo nuts (May 16, 2012)

2004 - Nikon D70
2003 - Canon 1Ds
2002 - Canon 1D
2001 - Minolta Alpha-7
2000 - Canon EOS-1V
1999 - Minolta Alpha-9
1998 - Pentax 645N
1997 - Nikon F5
1996 - Minolta TC-1
1995 - Contax G1
1994 - Minolta Alpha-707si
1993 - Canon EOS5
1992 - Pentax Z-1 QD
1991 - Contax RTS III
1990 - Canon EOS10 QD
1989 - Nikon F4/F4s
1988 - KYOCERA SAMURAI
1987 - Canon EOS650
1986 - Canon T90
1985 - Minolta Alpha-7000
1984 - Nikon FA

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spoorthy
By spoorthy (May 16, 2012)

actually i would agree with these results other than a few changes

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LSE
By LSE (May 17, 2012)

lol, right The D3 wasn't revolutionary in any way, neither was the 5DmkII or the medium format pentax. you're right....er not.

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Nigel45
By Nigel45 (May 17, 2012)

Heh! I've got two of the cameras in that list. Although I can't vouch for any of the ones I havn't used I would say that the nikon F4S is just about the most perfect camera (in its time, of course) that I have ever used. I have also got a D70 which acts as a fine sidekick to my real passion which is 4x5 large format photography. I already have a selection of lenses from the last 20+ years that will fit on a D800 (don't you just love that about Nikon) and due to my LF work am already used to working in a slow considered way with a tripod and set of primes. After 8 years with the D70 I think I can justify a D800E later this summer. As for Canon, they are also great cameras, but as a long lime Nikon user I'd be a fool to bin my lens collection.

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villagranvicent
By villagranvicent (May 15, 2012)

I agree, the "Public Vote" is absurd. At least they should change the name of the award to "The Jurors Vote" or something...

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Ron Mc Gregor
By Ron Mc Gregor (May 15, 2012)

Still have my NIKON EM and I love it.

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RP McMurphy
By RP McMurphy (May 17, 2012)

Yeah I like old stuff too

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36hike
By 36hike (May 15, 2012)

As suggested, how can the "public" vote for a camera that is hardly out in the marketplace? What a total crock.

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mike kobal
By mike kobal (May 15, 2012)

easy picks and sensible decisions, except for the fisheye, but they had to award something to Canon :)

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marike6
By marike6 (May 16, 2012)

Totally agree Mike, although I do like that little Fisheye zoom, I don't think Canon released too many lenses other than the 2 new IS wides, and the 70-300 L. Sure I'm forgetting something, though. The D800, NEX-7 and the Zuiko 45 1.8 are well deserving.

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LSE
By LSE (May 17, 2012)

lol yeah. may as well.

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Thomas Caudle
By Thomas Caudle (May 15, 2012)

Still have my Nikon FA...

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RP McMurphy
By RP McMurphy (May 17, 2012)

I've still got a Box Brownie

Having a terrible time with direct uploads to Flickr though

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Mick G
By Mick G (May 15, 2012)

how can the public vote the D800 as the best camera, when you can't buy one ? yet something not quite correct me thinks !

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MichaelEchos
By MichaelEchos (May 16, 2012)

The D800 is widely available. They are just not in stock online. You can buy them locally.

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Mick G
By Mick G (May 17, 2012)

I have no idea where you live, however try and buy a D800 in the UK, not available yet ! otherwise I would have one, and be able to pass on my views about it, rather than non public

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LSE
By LSE (May 17, 2012)

buy local and you'll find one in a week.

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tridungd
By tridungd (May 15, 2012)

D800 simply best of the best, Canon 5Dmark3 is not even close to compare

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shoutyourself
By shoutyourself (May 16, 2012)

Suppose you have spent a lot of time with both of them have ya champ?
Pillick

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Stollen1234
By Stollen1234 (May 16, 2012)

of course you did the comparsion by yourself .very credible..

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LSE
By LSE (May 17, 2012)

the 5DmkIII is just a 5DmkII with 4 year old comparable D700 AF and 2 more fps and 1 thousand dollar higher price tag. it is no wonder that it's training in sales to the D800 world wide.

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ybizzle
By ybizzle (May 15, 2012)

This could very well be the next camera in my collection...My first Nikon DSLR in fact!

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studio311
By studio311 (May 15, 2012)

Congrats Nikon....well deserved.

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645D
By 645D (May 15, 2012)

I remember the Nikon FA was the camera to won that award in 1984. The D800 has a lot like FA, a pioneer in technology and user friendliness, at an affordable price.

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Paul Guba
By Paul Guba (May 15, 2012)

Glad someone can get one.

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Kodachrome200
By Kodachrome200 (May 16, 2012)

i cant *continues waiting*

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unknown member
By (unknown member) (May 15, 2012)

I didnt know Nikon competed in Formula One. Has Canon ever won a grand prix?

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StanRogers
By StanRogers (May 16, 2012)

Well, if you count the Williams flag sponsorship (big Canon name on the rear wing) they've won more [F1] Grands Prix than Nikon (who sponsored Spirit).

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D200_4me
By D200_4me (May 15, 2012)

I'll second that on the Olympus 45mm f/1.8. Awesome lens.

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MediaDigitalVideo
By MediaDigitalVideo (May 15, 2012)

I hope people buy a camera based on their own opinion.

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RP McMurphy
By RP McMurphy (May 17, 2012)

People aren't able to make the detailled comparisons across various models like the reviewers can - equally you can always get a poor example - so one's own opinion alone isn't going to be necessarily the best informed opinion is it?
I'd encourage people to read as many reviews as possible in addition to to seeing it it works for them individually

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Denis of Whidbey Island
By Denis of Whidbey Island (May 15, 2012)

Clearly an Olympus should have won the award since a user of that brand (who enjoys posting negative views of the D800) does not see that the D800 earned it.

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elvinPaul
By elvinPaul (May 15, 2012)

well done nikon..

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AnHund
By AnHund (May 15, 2012)

Well deserved.

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Morpho Hunter
By Morpho Hunter (May 15, 2012)

Ah ...must due be the 36mp sensor ...why else would a camera that cannot produce sharp hand-held images when viewed at 100% win such an award?

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EssexAsh
By EssexAsh (May 15, 2012)

tard

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ihv
By ihv (May 15, 2012)

You have obviously not tried the camera.

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hiro_pro
By hiro_pro (May 15, 2012)

remember when shooting with a new camera technique is important. try shutter speeds that are at least 1 over the focal length of the lens. if you have poor technique, just double it. and if that fails put it on a tripod and use a cable release.

we seem to have the same argument every time a new higher res camera comes out. i heard it when i went from a d200 to the d7000. same argument now except replace it with d700 to d800. yawn... new subject

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dara2
By dara2 (May 15, 2012)

must be due to the 36mp and the price being 500 euro less than its direct competitor that make it win the public favor

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Torvald
By Torvald (May 15, 2012)

Fantastic dynamic range in low iso and color depth, less arrogance in their marketing, make that I change brand.
Pricing policy from the main competitor just made me angry and disappointed.

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ovrebekk
By ovrebekk (May 16, 2012)

Ah ..must be due to the 36MP sensor.. why else would a camera that strangles babies in their sleep win such an award ;)

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RP McMurphy
By RP McMurphy (May 17, 2012)

Sorry that your technique wont stand up to using a high resolution camera - why dont you get a camera with the lowest resolution possible and get the cheapest lenses possible and then you would not have a problem with the difference between hand held and tripod supported
It is true that the D800 isn't for low end amateurs so something more P&S maybe more suitable for you I agree

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Stollen1234
By Stollen1234 (May 15, 2012)

its a good camera

this Grand Prix is just a Japanese event

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Richard Butler
By Richard Butler (May 15, 2012)

Well, except the International judges who have their input.

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Stollen1234
By Stollen1234 (May 16, 2012)

public 'best camera' vote

that why i said its a Japanese event...as in not international public vote

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Gully Foyle
By Gully Foyle (May 15, 2012)

Of course it did. More to come.

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donabate
By donabate (May 17, 2012)

If Nikon could only manage to get the camera in to the shops we could all try it. It's been a bit of a disaster up to now.

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PanErwin
By PanErwin (May 19, 2012)

I wonder if there is so few D800 available because Nikon has to control these cams again inrelation to those AF and other problems. If too many people are angry to get a defective body it would be worse than having to wait!

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local movers N moving
By local movers N moving (May 23, 2012)

D800 good body, but still can get in the line, still out of stock !!!

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dooman51
By dooman51 (May 23, 2012)

I have one and its an expensive paperweight. Sorry Nikon the hype will turn into reality when you actually supply people with them. And they find that it can't focus and when it does it back focuses No doubt the reason none are for sale. Noisy, lifeless photos. Great at 100 iso and manual focus though!!

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dooman51
By dooman51 (May 24, 2012)

Just an update and thanks to Nikon, they replaced my faulty paperweight with a new camera. Yes this one is a good copy thank god at least this means that a) the problem isn't a design fault (probably a line issue) b) Nikon cares about customer service and is getting this right. c) Everyone who has issues with their camera will no doubt find a good resolution in the end.

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FeliciaCorrine
By FeliciaCorrine (May 29, 2012)

When it comes to DSLR's Nikon has that edge over other competitive products in the same range.

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