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Ricoh launches standard zoom GXR module with 16MP APS-C sensor

By dpreview staff on Feb 2, 2012 at 06:00 GMT

Ricoh has released a 24-85mm equival ent F3.5-5.5 zoom module with a 16MP APS-C sensor for its GXR system. The latest camera unit offers a flexible focal length range that starts slightly wider than the average kit zoom, without making the camera excessively large. It's the first GXR module to be built around a 16MP sensor. Announced back in November, it is the first zoom module for the system to offer APS-C image quality. If our suspicions are correct and it uses the excellent Sony 16MP sensor, this promises a lot both in terms of image quality and focus speed (the faster readout of the sensor helps contrast-detection systems to more quickly ascertain correct focus).

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Press Release:

Ricoh announces RICOH LENS A16 24-85mm F3.5-5.5

Tokyo, Japan, February 2, 2012—Ricoh Co., Ltd. today announced the development and release of RICOH LENS A16 24-85mm F3.5-5.5, the fifth camera unit in the GXR interchangeable unit camera system.

First introduced in December 2009, the GXR is a revolutionary interchangeable unit camera system in which lenses can be changed by mounting camera units that integrate lens, image sensor, and image processing engine into a single unit.

The new RICOH LENS A16 24-85mm F3.5-5.5 brings together a newly developed 24-85 mm wide-angle zoom lens, an APS-C size CMOS sensor, and the proven Smooth Imaging Engine IV to create a unit with high image quality, high power of expression, and high flexibility.

Main features of RICOH LENS A16 24-85mm F3.5-5.5

1 Newly developed 24-85 mm wide-angle zoom lens with an APS-C size CMOS sensor with approximately 16.20 million pixels

  • This newly developed lens features a 9-group, 11-element configuration. The utilization of three double-sided aspherical lenses as well as high-refraction lenses effectively reduces various types of distortion across the entire zoom range. The result is high resolution and imaging power from edge to edge.
  • The configuration of nine rounded aperture blades enables both highly precise aperture settings and beautiful bokeh.
  • This camera unit features a 23.6 mm×15.7 mm (APS-C size) 16M CMOS sensor. In combination with the image processing engine Smooth Imaging Engine IV, this image sensor makes it possible to shoot high-quality images with smooth tonal gradations, as well as low noise and high-resolution.

2 Diverse shooting functions and high operability

  • Dynamic range compensation reduces overexposure of highlights and underexposure of dark areas. For backlit and high-contrast scenes that cannot be handled with exposure compensation, doing the dynamic range compensation in specific portions of the image makes it possible to shoot the subject at a brightness level close to that seen by the naked eye.
  • ISO sensitivity can be set in 1EV or 1/3EV steps.
  • With the new ISO bracketing function, the photographer can shoot and record three images with different ISO sensitivities.
  • When the new function for maintaining the same shooting settings is set on, by keeping the shutter release button pressed halfway after taking a picture, the photographer can continue to shoot with the same settings (focus, exposure, white balance, etc.).
  • The function for recording a JPEG image simultaneously with the RAW image has been expanded so that it is now possible to record only the RAW image. This is suitable for a work flow based on the premise that image finishing is to be done on a PC after shooting. Since a JPEG file is not simultaneously recorded, this option is also useful when the photographer wants to increase the number of images which can be recorded on the memory card.
  • It is now possible to turn ON/OFF the white saturation display that shows areas where bright portions will be rendered white and where color shade gradations will be lost.
  • The tilt indicator function has been enhanced. In addition to the conventional horizontal indicator, this function can now also detect camera movement direction tilting.
  • Copyright information such as the photographer’s name can be entered and written to the image Exif data. The recorded information can be checked on the playback screen detailed information display.

3 Highly precise focusing

  • For the AF area size for spot AF, either normal or pinpoint can be selected.
  • A focus-assist function has been included in an effort to raise the accuracy of manual focusing. The photographer can select from two modes and check the focus by strengthening outlines and contrast.
  • The shooting screen can be magnified for convenience in focusing. The magnified area can be displayed in the center or across the entire screen. In addition, the image quality for 4x and 8x magnification has been further enhanced. The area to be magnified can be moved using the direction pad.

4 The power of expression that is a hallmark of the GXR series

  • Picture settings for image quality and color can be customized with nine levels for easy creation of a diverse range of images.
  • My Settings enables the settings for a wide range of shooting functions to be recorded in advance and specified in an instant when needed. For the setting storage, now six patterns can be stored in the body’s My Settings Box and six patterns can be stored in the SD card. This expands the world of photo expression by enabling GXR users to exchange their shooting settings.
  • B (bulb) and T (time) can now be selected as the shutter speed in manual exposure mode. With “B,” the exposure continues while the shutter release button is pressed, and with “T,” the shutter release button is pressed to start and end the exposure. For both, the exposure is forcibly ended when 180 seconds have elapsed.
  • New scene mode options have been added for the easy enjoyment of a wide range of photo expression. The five new options are soft focus, cross process, toy camera, miniaturize, and high contrast B&W. The photographer can create a unique image by just pressing the shutter release button.
  • An image flag function has been added to enable the quick display of specific images from among those in the camera. Up to 20 images can be flagged.
  • It is possible to shoot 1280 × 720 pixel HD movies.

* Note: When shooting movies of 1280×720 size, the use of an SD/SDHC memory card with an SD speed class of Class 6 or higher is recommended.

5 New options added

  • A newly designed lens hood (LH-2) especially for this camera unit.
  • A lens cap (LC-3) that opens and closes simultaneously with the movement of the lens. It does not need to be removed when shooting.
  • A wrapping sheet (WS-1) that can wrap the GXR when the camera unit, external viewfinder, and other options are attached.

RICOH LENS A16 24-85mm F3.5-5.5 options

 Product  Model
 Lens Hood   LH-2
 Self-retaining Lens Cap  LC-3
 Wrapping Sheet  WS-1
  • All of the focal lengths in this release are converted to the equivalent values for a 35 mm film camera.
  • LH-2 and LC-3 are new options being introduced at this time.
  • Functions when the GXR body is attached.

Ricoh GXR A16 24-85 specifications

Body type
Body typeRangefinder-style mirrorless
Sensor
Max resolution4928 x 3264
Other resolutions4352 x 3264, 4928 x 2768, 3456 x 1944, 3456 x 2304, 3264 x 3264, 3072 x 2304, 2592 x 1944, 2304 x 2304, 2048 x 1536, 1280 x 960, 640 x 480
Image ratio w:h1:1, 4:3, 3:2, 16:9
Effective pixels16 megapixels
Sensor photo detectors17 megapixels
Sensor sizeAPS-C (23.6 x 15.7 mm)
Sensor typeCMOS
ProcessorSmooth Imaging Engine IV
Color filter arrayPrimary color filter
Image
ISOAuto, Auto-Hi, ISO-Lo, 200, 250, 320, 400, 500, 640, 800, 1000, 1250, 1600, 2000, 2500, 3200
White balance presets5
Custom white balanceYes (1)
Image stabilizationNo
Uncompressed formatRAW
JPEG quality levelsNormal, Fine
File format
  • JPEG
  • RAW (DNG)
Optics & Focus
Focal length (equiv.)24–85 mm
Optical zoom3.5×
Maximum apertureF3.5 - F5.5
Autofocus
  • Contrast Detect (sensor)
  • Multi-area
  • Selective single-point
  • Single
  • Continuous
  • Face Detection
  • Live View
Autofocus assist lampYes
Digital zoomYes (4x)
Manual focusYes
Normal focus range25 cm (9.84)
Focal length multiplier1.5×
Screen / viewfinder
Articulated LCDNo
Screen size3
Screen dots920,000
Touch screenNo
Screen typeTFT color LCD
Live viewYes
Viewfinder typeElectronic (optional)
Photography features
Minimum shutter speed180 sec
Maximum shutter speed1/3200 sec
Exposure modes
  • Program
  • Aperture priority
  • Shutter priority
  • Manual
Scene modes
  • Portrait
  • Sports
  • Landscape
  • Nightscape
  • Skew correction
  • Miniaturize
  • High contrast B&W
  • Soft focus
  • Cross process
  • Toy camera
Built-in flashYes (Pop-up)
External flashYes (Hot-shoe)
Flash modesAuto, On, Off, Red-Eye, Slow Sync, Manual
Drive modes
  • Single
  • Continuous
  • Self-timer
Continuous drive3 fps
Self-timerYes (2 or 10 sec, 10 sec (3 images) )
Metering modes
  • Multi
  • Center-weighted
  • Spot
Exposure compensation±4 (at 1/3 EV, 1/2 EV steps)
AE Bracketing±2 (3 frames at 1/3 EV, 1/2 EV steps)
WB BracketingYes
Videography features
Resolutions1280 x 720 (30 fps), 640 x 480 (30 fps), 320 x 240 (30 fps)
FormatMPEG-4
MicrophoneMono
SpeakerMono
Storage
Storage typesSD/SDHC, Internal
Connectivity
USB USB 2.0 (480 Mbit/sec)
HDMIYes (Mini HDMI Type C)
Remote controlYes
Physical
Environmentally sealedNo
BatteryBattery Pack
Battery descriptionLithium-Ion DB-90 rechargeable battery & charger
Battery Life (CIPA)400
Dimensions114 x 75 x 93 mm (4.49 x 2.95 x 3.66)
Other features
Orientation sensorYes
Timelapse recordingYes
GPSNone

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Comments

Total comments: 104
MarcusGR
By MarcusGR (Feb 26, 2012)

I think this Ricoh module (A16) is exactly what the Sony NEX system has been promising (and not providing) since its birth: a wide-angle zoom lens.
The specifications of the A16 lens look perfect for a tourist-photographer as I am: a good panorama lens (24 mm. eq.) able to zoom decently, when needed.
Let's wait for a thorough test and see if its high-iso performance is comparable with that offered by Sony Nex N (my current favourite). If it does, I won't care about the price-difference: Ricoh A16 will be my next all-round camera.

0 upvotes
pppp
By pppp (Feb 13, 2012)

Upgrade the sensor is possible on the others units !

=> http://lepidi-photo.blogspot.com/

;-)

0 upvotes
jesko10
By jesko10 (Feb 4, 2012)

It says 470 Euros on various sites.

here are more pictures: http://magazine.kakaku.com/mag/camera/id=659/

0 upvotes
meanwhile
By meanwhile (Feb 3, 2012)

Price?

0 upvotes
charleswatson
By charleswatson (Feb 3, 2012)

you guys are making me tired stop wining about image size pinch sensor go out and take some pictures. Ive been doing this for 25 years pentax k, nikon f with cooke lenses, kiron,kilfitt most of you guys probaly cant take a picture go have fun. enjoy some fun my best pictures are from my olympus 4040 using new phase one technology. sensor is truly irrelevant went it comes to picture quality light composition exposure and the story. then lens quality you can have 100 megapixels coming through garbage lens and guess what you get garbage. charles
beautifal instincts

0 upvotes
Dan
By Dan (Feb 4, 2012)

Are you being a roadblock to progress? "sensor is truly irrelevant went it comes to picture quality?" Go tell that to medium format shooters. I get a D4 and you get a cell phone camera. Let's see who wins. =)

0 upvotes
Gary CG
By Gary CG (Feb 5, 2012)

I have a feeling charles would win

5 upvotes
danaceb
By danaceb (Feb 3, 2012)

Like every other Ricoh GXR module; would be cool if it didn't cost more than competitors stand alone and arguably superior product.

0 upvotes
illdefined
By illdefined (Feb 2, 2012)

This is quietly exciting news. only because this and the K-01 mean they are nearing completion of the GXR-K mount.

The actual 'serious' mirrorless K with interchangeable sensors.

0 upvotes
Jack A. Zucker
By Jack A. Zucker (Feb 2, 2012)

what's up with calling this a zoom module?

0 upvotes
rusticus
By rusticus (Feb 2, 2012)

what a cheese - no one needs the

Comment edited 1 minute after posting
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JackM
By JackM (Feb 2, 2012)

And people think the K-01 is stupid??

Where is the APS-C GRD-V?

Comment edited 6 minutes after posting
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snake_b
By snake_b (Feb 2, 2012)

Excellent. Another slow lens to add to the field.

4 upvotes
Bob Meyer
By Bob Meyer (Feb 2, 2012)

I know this camera series has its fans, but I just don't get the idea of having to pay for a new sensor every time you want a new lens. And when your new lens comes with an upgraded sensor, how must it feel to know that you're backsliding in terms of IQ every time you put one of your older lenses back on.

Interesting idea, but I think the disadvantages outweigh any real advantages.

4 upvotes
rusticus
By rusticus (Feb 2, 2012)

correct

Comment edited 42 seconds after posting
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Najinsky
By Najinsky (Feb 2, 2012)

It's a sticking point that many can't get past, but it's only one way of looking at it.

Take the X100 (ignoring hybrid VF USP) as a wide angle APS-C compact with quality lens.

Next take the GXR A12 28mm as an alternative wide angle APS-C compact with quality lens.

Some users (of both groups) just want to use their camera until it falls apart. They have just what they want.

Other users start clamouring they want different focal lengths, perhaps an interchangeable lens version.

The Fuji users now have to invest in a whole new camera, and abandon their X100, or relegate it to second camera/backup.

The Ricoh users can get the M module to use a variety of M/Adapted glass. Or they could opt for a 50mm module, or now the new zoom.

Changing modules is like changing cameras, but without a lot of the inconvenience.

You could for example use the new zoom + EVF and have an APS-C DSLR replacement for carrying around during the day, and then use the fast 28mm for discrete evening shooting.

2 upvotes
mpetersson
By mpetersson (Feb 2, 2012)

I feel the same way. I had a look at the Ricoh before going m4/3, but I just couldn't get past the problems you describe. Usually the lenses are something you buy and take with you for a long time, I have lenses that are decades old. But for this system lenses are going to be dead weight when the sensor is outdated. I like odd projects and quirky designs, but this just doesn't make enough sense.

1 upvote
foto guy
By foto guy (Feb 2, 2012)

Not everyone needs to have the absolute latest and greatest gadget 24/7. How is a sensor "outdated" if it still works and produces great images? I could use the Ricoh APS lens modules every day for the next 20 years and be happy with the excellent images they produce. And print them at whatever size I needed. Much like my "outdated" 50-year-old film cameras.

5 upvotes
Harold66
By Harold66 (Feb 2, 2012)

and how is that different with having to mount it on a camera with an outdated sensor ? with the one year cycle of other manufacturers it is a re-assurance for me to have the same user interface for years

H

1 upvote
lenseye
By lenseye (Feb 2, 2012)

Dear Foto guy,
Your argument is somewhat flawed! With newer sensors/cameras/modules you can take fuller advantage of your decades old lenses whereas with these Lens+sensor modules you're stock forever with what they can deliver, hoever good they may be, because the sensor part always goes obsolete and that's just the nature of technology! I guess that's why old optics keep their market value so well!

0 upvotes
f64Craft
By f64Craft (Feb 3, 2012)

I agree. "But there is a thought that isn't talked about. How big are our photo sensors going to get, really? Are we getting close to a plateau when it comes to useable pixels? Do we really need more than 16 or 18mp to appreciate photography? What is Leica, Nikon and Canon saying with their new pro cameras? I think that are saying MP is not everything.

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abolit
By abolit (Feb 2, 2012)

Oh, Mama!
Who needs F3.5 - F5.5 nowadays ?

2 upvotes
jpr2
By jpr2 (Feb 2, 2012)

Ricoh still lacks a body with eye-level VF; so... while otherwise tempting for many reasons - not least 16 MPx APS-C CMOS,
it is yet another "no deal" offer :(

0 upvotes
cgarrard
By cgarrard (2 months ago)

They offer the VF2 viewfinder for this camera you can add on or remove- so they don't lack a viewfinder.

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Harold66
By Harold66 (Feb 2, 2012)

Two things which are missing from this announcement is availability and also if the sensor would have NO alias filter as rumored earlier
Certainly an important advantage if true

Harold

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slncezgsi
By slncezgsi (Feb 2, 2012)

I am curios about the AA filter too (and hope it is not there).

DPreview - do you have information or hints?

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Alizarine
By Alizarine (Feb 2, 2012)

Could this be the K-5 sensor in that module?

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Lucas_
By Lucas_ (Feb 2, 2012)

It's a Sony sensor - same as Pentax K-01, Sony NEX-5n, Sony A55...

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chrisnga
By chrisnga (Feb 2, 2012)

The sensor on the K-01 is almost certainly not the same as the nex5n. See the camerastore video preview, where they have a preproduction model and state that the sensor is not the sony 16mp from the 5n. It's a different size for a start, but only by 0.2 or 0.1 of a mm. However, it's the same size as the sensor in the new Ricoh module - they probably share the same sensor. The autofocus speed on the K-01 looks decent from the WDC preview video, maybe it will be decent in the Ricoh, too.

0 upvotes
Bilgy_no1
By Bilgy_no1 (Feb 2, 2012)

Ricoh does have a strange system, but it's versatile in its own way. This module allows you to compare with both the Canon G1X (faster fixed lens zoom, large sensor), and e.g. a Panasonic GX1 with Olympus 12-50mm zoom (slightly longer range, macro). But I guess in total cost, the Ricoh will be more expensive than both other options.

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slncezgsi
By slncezgsi (Feb 2, 2012)

Finally. It is on the large side, rather slow and there is no IS - but we knew that already. The only think that matters know is the IQ, AF speed and operation - if all those check, than I may finally get this bigger brother of my GRDIII.

1 upvote
h2k
By h2k (Feb 2, 2012)

To the editors: Thanks for explaining the connection between sensor type and focus speed in your news article (see quote below). I hadn't been aware of that connection. Background explanations like that make all the difference to other sites which simply re-heat any PR they receive. It's good if you check your news with "the mind of an unexperienced reader" and add-on explanations and backgrounds.

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Quote from news article:
If our suspicions are correct and it uses the excellent Sony 16MP sensor, this promises a lot both in terms of image quality and focus speed (the faster readout of the sensor helps contrast-detection systems to more quickly ascertain correct focus).

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Documensony
By Documensony (Feb 2, 2012)

Agreed,

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qwertyasdf
By qwertyasdf (Feb 2, 2012)

BTW, why there is still no official release of of the Pentax K-01, I had been refreshing DPreview all day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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D1N0
By D1N0 (Feb 2, 2012)

stop it! http://www.pentaxforums.com/news/pentax-k-01-unveiling-countdown.html

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marike6
By marike6 (Feb 2, 2012)

I just saw the design of the K-01. Had the design been similar to the nice looking Q, I may have been interested. The two-tone K-01? Not so much. Looks aren't everything, but...what's wrong with all black?

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Najinsky
By Najinsky (Feb 2, 2012)

Can you confirm this is power zoom rather than manual?

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bradleyg5
By bradleyg5 (Feb 2, 2012)

I don't understand how Ricoh is even still in business. Who is buying into this system. How are they even making back their investment?! All of there cameras are ungodly expensive, have brutal image quality, and the worst headline features.

It's like they make cameras for people who don't want a good camera, they just want a camera nobody else will have. They make cameras for people who keep them on a shelf.

It's like they come out with this retarded system and they don't even push the boundaries, it's like none of the lens/sensor combinations do anything unique. So you go, oh it's flexibility you can just buy one system and it can do all these different things. BUT the cost is so high you could just buy a whole bunch of other dedicated systems that each would be better suited.

Like how could they possibly sell over a hundred of these? of the almost 7 billion human beings on this planet, I cannot imagine more than 100 would actually pay for such a thing as this.

6 upvotes
Yomama
By Yomama (Feb 2, 2012)

I have the GXR with both 28mm & 50mm A12 module. I had your attitude towards Ricoh until I went to a shop to test out a Fuji X100 and left the shop with a GXR. For me, It's the combination of UI, handling, lense quality and image quality. It does charge a small premium over DSLR, but most mirrorless system does.

15 upvotes
VladimirV
By VladimirV (Feb 2, 2012)

Once you use a Ricoh camera you will understand why people buy them. Because they are the best handling cameras out there and made for people who actually go out and take pictures rather than obsessing over specs or pixel peeping.

While I am personally not interested in this module, the GXR M Mount module has some of the best image quality you will find in any APS camera.

17 upvotes
Najinsky
By Najinsky (Feb 2, 2012)

Regarding "Brutal Image Quality":

DPR wrote "...it's well-engineered image processing and the excellent lens the Ricoh GXR with the A12 50mm camera module arguably delivers the best image quality of all mirrorless cameras we've seen so far."

As an owner that module and many cameras of various kinds, I agree with DPR.

So I think your statement undermines your credibility somewhat.

12 upvotes
bradleyg5
By bradleyg5 (Feb 2, 2012)

Well brutal with the tiny sensor module at least.

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inevitable crafts studio
By inevitable crafts studio (Feb 2, 2012)

you obviously never used a ricoh pro model :)

8 upvotes
Sosua
By Sosua (Feb 2, 2012)

Dude, the GXR is a really well put together kit and the M module is a great camera - go back to your prehistoric Canon.

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GirinoFumetto
By GirinoFumetto (Feb 2, 2012)

Like any other manufacturer, Ricoh sells its products to those who like them. So simple. This Ricoh is made for those who need or simply understand its positive, unique features and not for you that, as you say, don't understand them. Evidently, I am one of that 100 people and you one ot the other 6.999.999.900.

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Harold66
By Harold66 (Feb 2, 2012)

this comment is so biased and so ridiculously inaccurate it makes you wonder if this is based only on sheer ignorance or something else more sinister. the focal range alone proves you wrong. 24mm is the wide-angl focal of choice for many photographers and most other brands stick with 28mm
anyone who knows anything about cameras know about how flexible and intelligent the user interface is but it does not matter
of course the last paragraph is typical of mister know-it-all
buut we all know that those who predict sales are always wrong

Harold

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polarabbit
By polarabbit (Feb 2, 2012)

brutal image quality? apparently you are one of those who speak their minds loudly without having the substance to back up their claims. if you have even used a ricoh or really looked at the pictures they produce, you would not have made such senseless claims. ricoh is most well known for two things: user interface/usability and image quality....gee.

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AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (Feb 2, 2012)

As for how Ricoh can still be in business, has it occured to you that they make other things besides cameras? Their top line cameras have been exceptional but no, it's not their main business.

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LarryLatchkey
By LarryLatchkey (Feb 2, 2012)

I asked last time at one of the Saturn electronics in Berlin if they sold a lot of GXRs with A12 modules. They said they do, several each week, sometimes a few in one day. The last one he said was bought by a journalist who needed it for Afganisthan. People who need a compact package with APS-C sensor quality love the GXR A12 modules. There is nothing comparable for this price (€900). Built quality, handling, image quality, compactness (f2.5/28mm). Without competition. Full stop.

1 upvote
RunStrom
By RunStrom (Feb 3, 2012)

Dear bradleyg5, I don't know why you are so hard on Ricoh cameras. All I can actually say is go out and use one. I have a now old GX-100 and its still good when I compare the wide angle shots. A slightly upgraded unit can be found in the GXR range which is now quite detailed. Ask a leica user why they are willing to pay the price - and they will answer you in much the same way. By the way - what do you shoot on - or will your profile contine to remain blank?

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tkbslc
By tkbslc (Feb 3, 2012)

Ricoh actually has more revenue and profits than many would assume. Cameras are a smaller part of their business than Canon's, but they are in a lot of business markets.

For 2011 reports, Ricoh had $250 million in profit. Nikon had $360 million in profit. Canon had 3 billion in profit. Sony lost $2.6 Billion. If anything, Sony is the one to worry about.

Comment edited 1 minute after posting
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Sergey Borachev
By Sergey Borachev (Feb 2, 2012)

A 24mm-85mm lens that is fixed to and therefore optimised for the all-conquering Sony 16MP sensor (Hope it is that sensor!). I think a lot of people would be happy to sacrifice some high AF speed or very high ISO capability(ISO 6400 and over) in a camera designed to provide top quality images in a small package. Yes, landscape shooters who regularly use tripods should love this. The only thing that remains to be seen is how good this lens is. If it delivers, this will be something very attractive. I think it should not be too difficult to make a lens that beats Sony's E zoom and therefore outperform the Sony NEX 5n in terms of still images. It is a pity that IS is not included, and optimised also for the characteristics of the lens. Ricoh should really consider release a larger version of the GXR to accomodate IS and a builtin VF as an upgrade, to satisfy those who want it to be a more all-round camera, which will be better balanced and can have more buttons too. A Super GXR?

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Michael Kaufman
By Michael Kaufman (Feb 2, 2012)

I had a GXR for a while, and while I loved it, I couldn't get used to the external EVF. If they had done what you suggest, I would still have it now.

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mungozan
By mungozan (Feb 2, 2012)

I just don´t get the whole system, and even less this type of lens module. What´s the point, really?

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Feb 2, 2012)

Well, a 24mm wide zoom is certainly welcome in a world of kit lens starting at 27-28mm without exceptions (except for the expensive Sony 16-50 SSM sold as an A77 kit lens).

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Richard Murdey
By Richard Murdey (Feb 2, 2012)

Well, it's like a NEX when you want it to be, but transforms into a small sensor compact camera if and when you want it to stay small and still have a wide zoom range...

1 upvote
lajka
By lajka (Feb 2, 2012)

The point is that between others that you can
1. optimize lens in relation to sensor, just like f.ex. Fuji X-100.
2. You can exchange lens unit in bloody snowstorm.
3. You can use third part lenses through M-module.

1 upvote
Najinsky
By Najinsky (Feb 2, 2012)

Many don't get it. Ricoh march to the beat of their own drum and are more likely to define new niches than follow trends.

The GX100 compact with larger sensor, faster glass, wide zoom and raw came to define a new category, while the GXR has remained niche.

What matters is the users love using them and in capable hands produce outstanding results.

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JacquesBalthazar
By JacquesBalthazar (Feb 2, 2012)

I have great respect for Ricoh's design choices and user interface approach, ever since the film GR1 (still in my film camera bag). I similarly liked the GRD3, except for lack of HD video and average "compact" sensor dynamic range. I really wanted to jump on the GXR at outset, as a "GRD on steroids" but balked at its slow operation, due to sluggish AF for the first "large sensor" modules. And the 50mm is way too bulky for me. Now looking at this, I am again disappointed at the lens' size. Looking at this and at the NEX lenses, I just cannot find in APS-C the ideal compromise between bulk and performance. Isolated "pancakes" exist (16mm for NEX, A12/28 for GXR and now that new 40mm Pentax slice) but rest of each range is in same bulk category as DSLR lenses. The Leica X1 remains the best sized APS package for me but is way too sluggish (+ no video). The Fuji stuff ain't small at all. I still find the Nikon 1 to be my best compromise among current offers. And M9 at FF.

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abortabort
By abortabort (Feb 2, 2012)

X100 isn't much bigger than X1, but has that hybrid VF. What I find interesting is your complaints about APS-C camera lenses being too big so jump straight to Nikon 1? What about m4/3's. Especially considering the size of the Nikon 1 lenses, there doesn't seem to be much advantage there. Alternatively the Samsung NX series have some decent-ish pancake lenses that are also well priced and they are APS-C. I think you have a few choices more than NEX-X1-N1. Isn't variety nice?

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qwertyasdf
By qwertyasdf (Feb 2, 2012)

Nikon 1 is a best compromise of what?
Huge lens + small sensor + large body + pink colour (maybe)???

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JacquesBalthazar
By JacquesBalthazar (Feb 2, 2012)

Kinda wanted pink J1 but did not dare. No, its lenses are really the smallest (or I missed an episode), when you compute in equiv focal lengths. The 30-110 is around 300mm equiv at far end. I carry it in jacket pockets easily: small and light, and brilliant (resolution, contrast, etc). And has VR and silent AF motor. There is one "big" lens for video going all the way from 28 to 270 equiv, but am not interested in that. The 10-30 zoom is as small these things can get, also with VR. The 10mm fixed is tiny (=28mm). The sensor is "small" compared to APS. It is "large" compared to compacts. But I do not care: the quality is brilliant, it works well in low light, and I am not obsessive at mushing out all my backgrounds. Though I'd like a faster lens for that purpose, and that is coming. So, yes, it is a compromise, and for me personally, it is the best compromise out there. I rate portability higher that thin DoF.

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lensberg
By lensberg (Feb 2, 2012)

Be it the fact that it probably uses Sony's 16 MP sensor which is fractionally larger than that of the Canon G1 X ... is seriously doubt that it will ever match the excellent image quality of the G1 X... especially at anything over ISO 1600... Absolutely hate the optical specifications... considering the premise of the portability factor... that lens is way too bulky! And... beautiful bokeh at F3.5 ... yeah right... perhaps for the aspiring ametuer... :-)

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Feb 2, 2012)

Actually, the G1X's sensor is a bit (about half an EV) worse at high ISO's than the new 16 Mp Sony sensor. It's stated to also have somewhat less DR at lower ISO's.

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Bernie Ess
By Bernie Ess (Feb 2, 2012)

Fractionally larger?? It Canon's G1X ensor is closer to 4/3 than to APS-c, so I'd call that quite a bit larger :-)

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lensberg
By lensberg (Feb 2, 2012)

I don't know whether Sony's 16 MP sensor could be considered new... Its been around since days of the Sony A580 & the Nikon D7000 ... which is closing in on the 2 year old mark... I haven't seen official raw images from the G1 X in order to be able to compare... but just talking about jpeg's for the time being... Canon's G1 X is definnitely superior to Nikon's D5100 (which i have) at anything above ISO 3200 ... Maybe this can be attributed to Canons superior jpeg processing... i don't know... but taking into account that a 14.3 MP camera produces average file sizes of around 3.5 MB... there is absolutely no signs of compression visible... Regarding dynamic range... well i agree with your point... the sony sensor is better there.

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Feb 2, 2012)

"I don't know whether Sony's 16 MP sensor could be considered new..."

By "new", I wanted to refer to that, for example, the 2010 NEX models still had the "old" (far worse) sensor and it's only the 2011 ones (5n/3c) that have the new (far better) one.

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Yomama
By Yomama (Feb 2, 2012)

The lack of 1080i/p recording is a shock. But this might be an indication that a new GXR body & new firmware is on the way at photokina..... They might want to push The Pentax K-01 and don't want this module to steal the market from Pentax??

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Feb 2, 2012)

Yeah, a serious omission.

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lajka
By lajka (Feb 2, 2012)

The Pentax module would be fine for use with AF Limited (15,21,40,70) as a back up body for K-5.
I hope as much as you that Ricox will come very soon with new GRX ( tilting LCD, Full HD, weatherproof) as well as the 16Mp M-module.

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raizans
By raizans (Feb 2, 2012)

eh, still waiting on a couple things:

- gxr body unit with built-in evf (sony nex-7 style).
- 35mm-e f/2 lens unit (small, like the 28mm unit or fuji x100, please!)

too bad this zoom doesn't collapse into a smaller package. just waiting to hear someone say IS would have made it larger. finally, i can't really tell from these pics if it has zoom and focus rings, which is odd.

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lajka
By lajka (Feb 2, 2012)

I agree about lacking info on the construction of lens. Is the front ring a zoom or distance. Preferably there should be both and both should be manual too. And weathersealed. Or there should be blank barrel with internal zooming and focus, which would make it simple to weatherproof it. By the way, nobody extolled the inherent possibility of making GRX truly only and unique adventure all condition mirrorless. Weatherproof the next GRX and lens modules and you can change lenses in the pouring rain!

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lajka
By lajka (Feb 2, 2012)

By the way. I forgot to comment on retractibility of lens. Well, it would make more compact but nearway the flatness of GR IV, which anyway would be a perfect back-up to GRX. Beside it, have you ever sweated over your rectractable lense blocked halfways in because of fine sand on that wild beach thousand miles from home.

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tkbslc
By tkbslc (Feb 2, 2012)

Oh man, they shoulda done like the G1x and made it retract. This is a big old thing.

Actually, they shoulda just made a K-mount module and we could use the Pentax 18-55, 16-50 or 17-70. It's all Ricoh now, so it should be no difference to them.

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LukeDuciel
By LukeDuciel (Feb 2, 2012)

GXR is a really ingenious system.

But, I don't see the point of buying this vs. G1X.

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Feb 2, 2012)

It starts at 24mm (as opposed to 28) and MAY have better DR / somewhat better high ISO if it has the new Sony 16 Mpixel sensor.

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lajka
By lajka (Feb 2, 2012)

Bravo!

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scott_mcleod
By scott_mcleod (Feb 2, 2012)

Could it be the new Aptina MT9H004 sensor rather thna the Sony one? 4.78um pitch, 4,928 x 3,280 = 23.56mm x 15.68mm, 16.16MP with HD capability (though the MT9H004 can shoot at 1080p30)? I guess we won't know until further details get released... this module is not even on the Ricoh site page for the GXR yet!

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rondom
By rondom (Feb 2, 2012)

I think you may be right. This is not the same sensor size as the sony nex 5n, being larger by a millimeter on each side.

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KonstantinosK
By KonstantinosK (Feb 2, 2012)

Very interesting camera and one I'd really want to read a full review. I think this GXR system is very crazy. Thumbs up for Ricoh for offering something genuinely different. Are they really making any money of it???

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ogl
By ogl (Feb 2, 2012)

Yes

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Noam Gordon
By Noam Gordon (Feb 2, 2012)

interesting but a bit meh. 24mm is cool. slow aperture and no IS is less cool.

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ogl
By ogl (Feb 2, 2012)

24/3.5 is not slow

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Prognathous
By Prognathous (Feb 2, 2012)

In addition, the sensor is about 1 stop faster than m43, so the lens aperture range is equivalent to 2.5-4.0 on that platform. Too bad users will need to use negative exposure compensation and then digital push to get the equivalent ISO range, because the Ricoh is capped at ISO 3200.

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Feb 2, 2012)

"Too bad users will need to use negative exposure compensation and then digital push to get the equivalent ISO range, because the Ricoh is capped at ISO 3200"

Yeah, the ISO 3200 restriction is pretty interesting in today's world where even the, high ISO-wise, crappiest mirrorless cameras (e.g, all new Oly m43 models) have even 12800 and flagship cameras/sensors all produce decent(ish) images at 6400...

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tda101
By tda101 (May 10, 2012)

It is interesting in this respect that the Reid Reviews comparison (published 10 May) shows this module out-performing the new Leica X2, the Fuji X100 and the Pentax K-01, at ISOs up to 32000. The lack of the AA filter + Sony sensor = outstanding detail, at the center anyway. And he applauds them for modesty in not going for some headline figure like 128000.

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geoffire
By geoffire (Feb 2, 2012)

Ricoh: make two more versions; One with no AA filter, and another with NO filters (B&W)!

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lajka
By lajka (Feb 2, 2012)

You have it already. That`s M-module. I guess you thought of IR filter without which one can do infrared photos. That would be fantastic if Ricoh made M-module for infrared purposes. Wow

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Baxter Bad
By Baxter Bad (Feb 2, 2012)

Did I miss it? Didn't see any mention of IS.

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Daniel Lowe
By Daniel Lowe (Feb 2, 2012)

This could be a fantastic landscapes camera.

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ogl
By ogl (Feb 2, 2012)

The specs table is failed.

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Wilfried HKG
By Wilfried HKG (Feb 2, 2012)

Now compare that size to the Canon GX1, which has only a slightly smaller sensor.

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sedentary_male
By sedentary_male (Feb 2, 2012)

Ricoh GXR A16 sensor size : 23.6mm x 15.7 mm ; Canon G1X sensor size: 18.7mm x 14mm; Fourthirds sensor size: 17.3 x 13.0 mm.

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Prognathous
By Prognathous (Feb 2, 2012)

I agree that the size is disappointing, but the Ricoh lens does start at 24mm (equiv). When comparing it to zoom lenses (for DSLRs) that start this wide it looks more reasonable. Still, I would have preferred a far smaller module, something closer to the 24-72 S10 module, but with a sensor around the size of the Nikon 1 series sensor. Alternatively, a similarly sized APS zoom but with a slower sensor (yes, you read this right) would make even more sense, but it would be very hard to market so I don't expect any brand to make one, not even Ricoh.

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IcyVeins
By IcyVeins (Feb 2, 2012)

Just give up already

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MikeNeufeld30
By MikeNeufeld30 (Feb 2, 2012)

laughing!!!

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delastro
By delastro (Feb 2, 2012)

F 3,5 and beautiful bokeh?

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ogl
By ogl (Feb 2, 2012)

You plan to use 24 mm at f3.5 for portraits?

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Feb 2, 2012)

"You plan to use 24 mm at f3.5 for portraits?"

Well, if he prefers disproportionally HUGE noses and round faces :)

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delastro
By delastro (Feb 2, 2012)

do you know f2.8 lenses?

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lajka
By lajka (Feb 2, 2012)

Please relax bokeh people. You want bokeh? Then buy M-module and put any 50mm lens with 1.4 on, the older the better, and be done with it! Put the latest SLRMagic 50/0.95 and be king of bokeh. That`s the strenght of GRX.

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lajka
By lajka (Feb 2, 2012)

And what`s wrong with portraits taken at 85mm f:11 dudes? Many photographers Avedon,Karsh, Watson and Platon used small apertures for their portraits. You want dreamy-creamy. Smear vaseline on the lens or get yourselv 85/1.2

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Feb 2, 2012)

"do you know f2.8 lenses?"

You mean kit zooms starting at 24mm equiv? Sony 16-50 SSM.

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Gary CG
By Gary CG (Feb 5, 2012)

f5.5? Only non-photographers would buy this junk.

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