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Fujifilm says X-Pro1 will set you back around $2300. UK probably £1980

By dpreview staff on Feb 2, 2012 at 21:56 GMT

Fujifilm USA has announced its recommended pricing for the X-Pro1 high-end mirrorless camera. The MSRP will be $1699 for the body and $599-$649 for the lenses, meaning you can expect it to create around a $2300 dent in your pocket if you want to be able to take pictures with it. Canadian prices will be dollar-for-dollar equivalents. Fujifilm UK meanwhile hasn't yet announced pricing, but one of the country's retailers is taking orders at £1429 for the body and £549-599 for the lenses, which gives a good idea of how much you'll need to scrape together.


Press Release

FUJIFILM Announces pricing for REVOLUTIONARY X-PRO1 INTERCHANGEABLE LENS DIGITAL CAMERA SYSTEM INTRODUCED AT CES 2012

Valhalla, N.Y., February 2, 2012 – Following the introduction of its newest and most advanced addition to its X-Series line-up during the 2012 International CES in Las Vegas last month – the revolutionary FUJIFILM X-Pro1 interchangeable lens digital camera system – FUJIFILM North America Corporation today confirmed its pricing.

The FUJIFILM X-Pro1 has a brand new, custom developed 16MP APS-C X-Trans CMOS sensorTM that incorporates a newly developed filter array and Fujifilm’s proprietary EXR Processor technology that delivers extraordinary image resolution, clarity and beauty that will rival currently available mid and high-end DSLR models. The FUJIFILM X-Pro1 also features a New 2nd Generation Hybrid Multi Viewfinder and three prime interchangeable FUJINON lenses.

Pricing for the FUJIFILM X-Pro1 interchangeable lens digital camera system is as follows:

Product MSRP
FUJIFILM X-Pro1 (body only) $1,699.95
FUJIFILM XF 18mm (27mm equivalent) F2.0 lens $599.95 
FUJIFILM XF 35mm (53mm equivalent) F1.4 lens $599.95
FUJIFILM XF 60mm (90mm equivalent) F2.4 lens $649.95

The FUJIFILM X-Pro1 body and lenses will be available at the end of February.

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Marksphoto
By Marksphoto (Feb 13, 2012)

What a shame, no Leica M3 look this time...??? forget it, another boring news from Fuji.

Who would want to invest into an ugly looking black camera that looks like the Yashica rangefinders. It's not compact so I would rather carry my DSLR and at that price I could buy 3 Rebels, which aren't much larger, nor uglier and besides I am already set for lenses.

Samples of the high ISO shots didn't impress at all, I could get that quality on my old 300d. I guess digital isn't getting much better with all these technological advancements that marketologists want us to beleive in.

If I had the money I could still afford to wait for the new full frame mirrorless camera and shoot my Mark 2 today.

I say no to investing into a new line of APS sensor sized lenses to find out a year later that I need to upgrade to FF lenses. Nah ah, you aren't getting me on the hook.

My name is Mark Konkolski and I live in Beautiful British Columbia :)

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robert andrew
By robert andrew (Mar 28, 2012)

what a jerk ...... you just set the art of photography back two stones .... I cant read any more of your negative comments .... by the way I m from the UK

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ashfaque
By ashfaque (Feb 9, 2012)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=4gzREBGKUFI#t=229s

In the interview, Theo Georghiadis, Senior Business Manager of Fuji (UK) states that the price will be "in around 1000 GBP" (body only). I hope DPReview/Amazon will ask Fuji (UK) why this sudden increase of price (if that's the asking price). This is not what I call "price in around 1000 pounds, body only!"

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Alfie Smith
By Alfie Smith (Feb 8, 2012)

I'm watching white ORBS again...

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Carl Sanders
By Carl Sanders (Feb 6, 2012)

We are staying clear of Fuji after purchase of their 1st 1.3MP Professional camera D300, they gave us no support when they changed the card format and we could not transfer images. £1,800 down the drain within years so never again!

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Usee
By Usee (Feb 6, 2012)

Who is we?

To me, the X-Pro1 is a part of the future and not a part of the past...

...so I will give it a try and see, whether it will be as reliable and have the same good service like my 6 year old Fuji, which still works well with it's xD-Picture Cards...

...and I am pretty sure that it will drain You more money than £2,000 to get a better image quality than with a X-Pro1...

...at least with high ISO on pixel level.

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Conrad567
By Conrad567 (Feb 7, 2012)

A 1.3MP camera...this suggests that your beef with Fuji takes place at least a dozen or maybe more years ago. Every company had problems with those earliest digital cameras. And please explain what you mean by couldn't transfer your images after they changed the card format. Sorry but your gripe seems very vague.

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Leo33
By Leo33 (Feb 7, 2012)

What about the gremlins that have cropped up with the latest X-100 and X-10 cameras? It seems like Fuji is expecting its recent owners to perform beta testing of its products. IMHO if Fuji continues this trend with the release of the X-Pro1 the call may be, "Three-Strikes-And-You're-Out."

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hexxthalion
By hexxthalion (Feb 8, 2012)

@Leo33 - can't see any gremlin in my X100 - what have you done to your camera(s)??? - or wait a minute, you actually don't own any of them do you!

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fotochaldakov
By fotochaldakov (Feb 6, 2012)

Fuji X-Pro1 - £1429.00
Fuji EF-X20 Flashgun - £249.00
Fuji 18mm f2 R - £549.00
Fuji 60mm f2.4 R Macro - £599.00
Total: £2826
http://www.warehouseexpress.com/buy-fuji-x-pro1-black-digital-camera-body/p1528937

Sony Alpha NEX-7 - £1125.00
+ Sony E 50mm f/1.8 OSS - £249.00
+ Carl Zeiss T* E 24mm f/1.8 ZA - £839.00
Total: £2213
http://www.sony.co.uk/hub/nex-compact-camera-system/range/nex-7

£613 more for Fuji X-Pro1 - worth it?

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hexxthalion
By hexxthalion (Feb 6, 2012)

what happened to Flash and wide angle lens for Sony? you can't compare built-in flash on NEX with EF-X20.

So, just add flash and 16mm pancake and the final number will be different.

also, we still don't know UK prices, warehouseexpress and cliftoncameras are the only shops which list this price.

sh!t - https://twitter.com/#!/MrFinePix/status/166458252790472704

so yes, @fotochaldakov - those are final prices :(

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iflash
By iflash (Feb 6, 2012)

The Canon Powershot G1X is looking more and more attractive as the price of this beautiful beastie seems to go higher and higher. My wife won't let me sell my kids to medical science to buy an X-Pro1. Oh Well!

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JacobJaapC
By JacobJaapC (Feb 6, 2012)

well, can't you sell your wify to medical science?
0|~

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robert andrew
By robert andrew (Feb 7, 2012)

dont sell your wife or kids ..... but do sell ...... if necessary ..... whatever it takes to get this system ..... I am!!!!!

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Marcos Villaroman
By Marcos Villaroman (Feb 6, 2012)

Whew! I'm glad the MSRP is high enough that I am not at all tempted to buy one in the next year so. At that price range, I'd be very interested in the lens selection. That will take quite some time to develop to the point I would be willing to invest big bucks in such a system.

Maybe Canon will jump in the mirrorless interchangeable lens world by then...

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Jack KY
By Jack KY (Feb 5, 2012)

Wait a year and those numbers will drop by at least 1/3. Let the early birds pay for the R&D.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Feb 6, 2012)

Kind of important to see if Fuji didn't mess up, the way Fuji did with the X10 and the X100.

One third is high for a good camera system, see the Nikon D3s for example.

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harold1968
By harold1968 (Feb 5, 2012)

Worth spending a bit more IMHO to get a used M8 + lens, unless you must have AF and don't want MF.

http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/other/112892-m8-photography.html

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Feb 6, 2012)

The Fuji is likely to be far better at high ISO than the Leica M8.

Also the Leica's shutter (actually the reset mechanism) is very very loud.

Good condition used M lenses have been going up and up in price, and the new ones are bought before they ship.

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hexxthalion
By hexxthalion (Feb 6, 2012)

ufff..... why????? why would I want to buy M8??? in 2012????

I wouldn't even buy M9, two years ago maybe but not today, sorry it's just old

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Greynerd
By Greynerd (Feb 5, 2012)

They are calling these pro machines but are there extra quality control and support systems promised for these cameras? It does seem to me that Fuji are attempting to be a bulk and a top end producer of cameras at the same time. Has anyone managed this before and do people think Fuji can manage this? My last Fuji had a heavily decentered lens and if you do a Google search over the last year for 'Fuji Decentered' you get 311,000,000 results whereas Canon,Nikon and Sony returns less than 25,000 results each.

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milwman
By milwman (Feb 5, 2012)

Fuji Makes some of the best glass in the world, Google is hardly a great inacarter of how good there PnS ones are. They make Larg Format Medam format 35mm too. http://www.willwilson.com/fujinonlc2.html
And look at this they know how to make great cameras!!
http://www.dannyburk.com/fuji_gx680iii.htm Speaking of lenses, there’s good news and there’s bad news. The H1’s new HC series lenses, while specified by Hasselblad, are designed and built by Fuji. While this is no bad thing (Fuji’s medium and large format lenses carry truly excellent reputations), there are some who will bemoan the departure of Zeiss glass -- a hallmark of Hasselblad cameras since the 1950’s. My response to anyone that expresses such concerns is Get over it! Based on both reputation and the results from my initial tests, H1 users will find this lens family to be absolutely first rate.

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Musicjohn
By Musicjohn (Feb 5, 2012)

Wow, did you say 311,000,000 hits? Threehundred-eleven-million hits? Trange, Fuji has not even manufactured that many lenses in it's entire history. But apart from that, it's always the complaint you read about on the internet because dissatisfied customers need to complaint somewhere, after the salesman is done with them. On the other hand, all of the SATISFIED customers are the group you'll never hear about, because they have no reason to complaint! So please be realistic when commenting please.

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Greynerd
By Greynerd (Feb 6, 2012)

Let us not forget there may be hundreds of DISSATISFIED customers you will never hear about. Considering that X10 owners still do not know if the Orb problem is a hardware or firmware problem I would be very worried about commiting £2000 pounds to a company that is so tight lipped when a problem does occur, especially with yet another novel sensor design.

Also I am not saying they do not make good glass just there seems to be a problem at the moment aligning it.

I am afraid cheap and cheerful still omes to my mind with Fuji. They do very good value super-zooms and if people want to risk money on their transition to a high value manufacturer good luck to them.

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Jon Butler
By Jon Butler (Feb 5, 2012)

I've ordered the kit even though I'm film user 4x5 & Mamiya 7 outfits.
Hoping its up to doing my stock photo stuff, we will see.
J.

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obeythebeagle
By obeythebeagle (Feb 5, 2012)

For two grand, full-frame would be nice. I am willing to stay with my NEX3 as my backup camera for now. And contrary to popular opinion, I really like using the NEX3 interface. It is different, but fun.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Feb 5, 2012)

"full frame" would make fast lenses cost more.

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Jmmg
By Jmmg (Feb 5, 2012)

They don't even have the reviews on X10 yet.

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healer81
By healer81 (Feb 5, 2012)

Nice camera, but I dont know if I am willing to get let of my canon system. spent so much money on L lens.. until there are more lens choices I will stick with canon. smaller alternative with equal or greater images is something to think about... we will see if it can live up to the hype. Im excited to see

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Marksphoto
By Marksphoto (Feb 14, 2012)

the only reason to switch from canon to fuji would be if canon went into hybernation mode but they keep pumping up great cameras and if you already have the lenses you would be a fool to make the switch. Canon is a competitive brand and they will keep on making great cameras.

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kevin camera
By kevin camera (Feb 4, 2012)

hey dpreview, please do a review on the xpro-1 soon :)... it's expensive, but i'm hoping that the price will go down as more companies enter the high-end mirrorless market.

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tornwald
By tornwald (Feb 4, 2012)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gzREBGKUFI

Here they say around 1000 pounds for the body :(

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Conrad567
By Conrad567 (Feb 4, 2012)

My problem is I don't like the style of photography that an NEX requires. Holding a camera at arms length and pushing buttons to change the aperture or shutter. The endless menus etc. It is crazy. I like to set up a camera and then shoot on the fly old school like. Sony simply fails at basic understanding of how a camera should function. Fuji has returned to photographies roots, independent shutter dial and an aperture ring on the lens. These mechanics take design and components that simply adding another electronic motor and button don't require...so Sony cheaps out and makes an unusable camera in my OPINION. That is why this camera costs more and that is why people like me have been waiting for years for someone like FUJI to make. I can hardly wait for mine to come. I could never afford the LEICA offerings but I could afford the Contax G2 if it were around today...I only hope and pray that this camera lives up to expectation, if it does then it is a BARGAIN!!!

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Feb 4, 2012)

One doesn't have to hold all Sony Nex cameras at arms length, some have very good electronic viewfinders.

You're right Sony messes up menus on the Nex cameras.

Then there are all of the mega pixels Sony insisted on cramming into the Nex 7.

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Shaun Bell
By Shaun Bell (Feb 4, 2012)

From a owner of a Sony NEX 5n, I have to agree. I hate using it. Bad ergonomics, menu's (too many), access to functions... It is a great aerial platform body though, which is why I purchased it. Pretty hard to find something as light with good IQ. So it's going to stay on the multicopter. I'll definitely be looking at the Fuji, looks very promising as a general purpose body so I can leave my work cameras at home.

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Uri Ben
By Uri Ben (Feb 5, 2012)

Until now nobody build a camera which comes close to the IQ results of the 5n/7 - and as a owner of both , I can tell that after few minutes of practicing it becomes very easy to work with the Nexes - really easy. Still I am waiting for the camera with the same results as the Nex (or better) which features old fashioned using style ( OLY OM-d ?) I don't care about Fuji cameras , which seems to have too many problems.

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robert andrew
By robert andrew (Feb 5, 2012)

you said it all ....... conrad "HURAY" ................ I cant wait either

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Jmmg
By Jmmg (Feb 5, 2012)

Actually reminded me the good old day when I shot street photo with a good old Hasselblad or Bonica at weight level viewfinder, so much fun...

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Goodmeme
By Goodmeme (Feb 4, 2012)

I'm slightly disappointed there's no 35mm equiv at launch given the clear success of the X100.

Without a 35mm I'm less interested, and why get the X100 now when we know they'll bring out a 35 equiv in a year or two? I suppose the 18mm would be okay as a stop gap.

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slncezgsi
By slncezgsi (Feb 4, 2012)

I think that might have been on purpose - for the start. 35mm equiv. should come next year (together with some interesting zoom lenses). Have a look at the lens road-map that was shown here on DPreview.

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Henrik Melander
By Henrik Melander (Feb 4, 2012)

$750 for the Pentax K-01 dosent seem so steep now does it..

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Joe Ogiba
By Joe Ogiba (Feb 4, 2012)

And all 25 million K-mount lenses work with the K-01 and all have SR ! The NEX needs a $400 adapter to work with Sony A mount lenses and they don't have SR like with the K-01 and K-mount lenses. This Fuji is needs much more than three lenses for that price.

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Carlos AF Costa
By Carlos AF Costa (Feb 4, 2012)

Manufacturers are playing with sensors sizes! Want to see real resolution? Take a look:
http://www.hasselblad.com/promotions/tate-gallery-showcase.aspx

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Joe Ogiba
By Joe Ogiba (Feb 4, 2012)

Can you use it in snow and rain like the Pentax 645D ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wPD1wRpels

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hexxthalion
By hexxthalion (Feb 6, 2012)

@Joe Ogiba - nice one ;)

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Carlos AF Costa
By Carlos AF Costa (Feb 4, 2012)

APS-C, 16MB!
"MUCH ADO ABOUT NOTHING" -W.S.

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petrocan
By petrocan (Feb 4, 2012)

I feel that mirroless system has mature enough. I feel that medium format camera hasn't move much. Still for professional and very riche amateur. With the technology we have, when are we gonna have a medium format mirroless. Please fuji, stop that non sense, bring out a digital 645 or 679.

Amen.

I know big size sensor is still expensive... Why don't they make a just a 16mp 6x4.5 sensor.

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eyewundr
By eyewundr (Feb 4, 2012)

The best camera in the world is the camera you have with you when the photo op presents itself.

A very small number of people carry a bag of bodies and lenses with them everywhere, in spite of the highly desirable IQ.

A very large number of people carry a camera equipped cel phone everywhere, in spite of the lacklustre IQ.

Contemporary MILC's and traditional 'rangefinders' aim to be the camera you have with you when the bag of bodies and lenses aren't practical.

On 'paper' X-Pro-1 suggests IQ approaching FF (35mm sensors) with an APS-C sensor in a smallish body.
If true, anyone who cares for IQ will love to have the X-Pro-1 with them everywhere.

Fujifilm has a history of generally delivering good value for dollar.

If the X-Pro-1 delivers good value for dollar at $1700+600=$2300 then a lot of very good images will be captured with these cameras.

If the price is too rich for you, then choose the camera you can easily afford that you will be happy to have with you everywhere.

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Edmond Leung
By Edmond Leung (Feb 4, 2012)

Reasonable price. Look forward to getting one when it is available in our market.
Also, this is the right time to search for the excellent old 16mm cine lenses...
Really want to try the old ARRI 16mm cine lenses in this camera.

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AnHund
By AnHund (Feb 4, 2012)

What is revolutionary about that camera?

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lxstorm
By lxstorm (Feb 4, 2012)

Sensor actually. It is different from other digicams you can watch video on YouTube regarding the camera.

Also colors that are coming from Fuji cameras are very FujiFilm alike for obvious reason. The drawback was there were no Fuji digicams with Fuji mount up until now.

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max metz
By max metz (Feb 4, 2012)

The sensor is asp-c but performs like or better than full frame by removing the need for the till now mandatory moire filter. The viewfinder is like the x100, optical and or digital, it is a cross between a Leica M9 and Canon/Nikon full frame dslr, it has built in Fujifilm film emulation including negative film and Fujifilm like Leica has made lenses for Hasselblad.

It will also be cheaper than any full frame camera currently available.

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fmian
By fmian (Feb 4, 2012)

To those who are surprised by the price, wasn't this price range already specified when the camera was announced? I seem to recall a $1700 body only price point being mentioned, and $500 or so prices mentioned on lenses.
Should not come as a surprise to anyone who read up on this camera from the start.
Also, Fuji seem to have been quite forward with their customers about the X100 being a 'test the waters' camera and a stepping stone to an interchangeable lens model quite early on from the X100 announcement.
To those who think it's too much money, fair enough when you consider the price of an entry level DSLR or other mirrorless systems, but the X Pro 1 has been designed as a camera system to sit along entry level Full Frame cameras.
The fact that is has a unique sensor design, without the filter that elite film users complain about, means that a lot of serious camera users will purchase this.
Good on Fuji for paving a new path.
Now to create a model with an optical focusing system.

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rondhamalam
By rondhamalam (Feb 4, 2012)

Cheap

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Jmmg
By Jmmg (Feb 4, 2012)

Anyone use the XS1 yet?

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Jmmg
By Jmmg (Feb 4, 2012)

neither.

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Alfie Smith
By Alfie Smith (Feb 4, 2012)

Noob question: Is this a rangefinder or a DSRL?

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Alfie Smith
By Alfie Smith (Feb 4, 2012)

How people are so sassy (cheeky) to say "a system as good as Leica"...?

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Jmmg
By Jmmg (Feb 4, 2012)

I know you are a Leica fanboy, then let me ask you this: Who built Leica sensor and their processor in their M series? Remember, we are talking about Digital here right? Only so many makers in the world actually research and make sensor and processor in EVERY digital camera regardless what brands. So beside you willingly paying big money for the label LEICA body(which everyone know is made by Panasonic). My humble understanding which makes Leica camera the best since the beginning is their glasses, especially in the digital age, the glasses made all the differences. There are many Leica die heart fans who managed to mounted M lenses on the Sony NEX-5n or NEX 7 and the end result has no different than when mounted on a Leica body, just google it, if you do not believe me. BMW, Mercedes and Audi are all expensive German brands as well, craftsmanship, handmade this or that, but they also the most unreliable automobiles in the world as well. Not because Leica is German so they're the best.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Feb 4, 2012)

Jmmg:

Those Sony Nexes have moire filters, and they're not rangefinders, then there's that who not being able to use wide angle lenses as wide angle lenses problem with those APSC cameras.

That's Kodak which does the M9 sensor, and the microlens array. Fuji may have a processor chip in there too--true on the S2. (And processor chips are something that's often over looked--for example the Nikon D3x uses the same senor as the Sony A900, but clearly a different processor.)

No, Panasonic most certainly does not make the M9 body.

You're right, people who know anything are mostly excited about the Leica M lenses. And right now the M9 is the best place to use them up to about ISO 1000.

The complaints about the build choices of many German made cars may be true, but don't apply to German made Leicas. (Though I'll admit that the shutter in the M9 remains too audible.)

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Matthew Chu
By Matthew Chu (Feb 4, 2012)

Jmmg, you don't know what you are talking about. If you have not used the M system, do not put it down lightly. The Fuji X-Pro 1 may be a great camera, but we have no proof that it is yet. The expectation is certainly very high. I own both the M9 and Sony 5N. Actually I also have canon 1D4 and 5D2. I have recently done a test on the resolution of the 4 cameras. The M9 is by far sharper than the other 3 cameras. I will be posting the results on one of the online sites soon. So, it's not just the lenses, the sensor also affects the IQ. When I look t the files produced by the M9 (at low ISO), they are usually better than those produced by the others. I also don't know whether you have owned and driven a BMW, a Mercedes or an Audi, if not don't put down those makes either. If you have driven one of those, then you would realize the joy of driving more.

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Jmmg
By Jmmg (Feb 4, 2012)

I owed a good old M4 and a M8 and also have 2 BMWs now and had a Audi S4 before, so I DO know what I am talking about, my point is BRAND worship is blindness and pointless. There are people who won award winning photo by using a P & S camera like the little Canon S95 or Nikon Coolpix S3100, just check the competition on this site. So, blindly saying because is a Leica, your photos quality will be supreme is foolish and naive. After all, you could have the most expensive camera system in the world but your photos could still look like crap. Just like how many people really know how to drive the maximum potential of a BMW M3 or the Mercedes AMG Black? Leica made good body, so did Nikon, Canon, Fuji and Ricoh, etc. If Kodak made such a great sensor for the Leica, why don't they sale those great sensor to everyone so they could made ShXX load of money? no wonder they gone chapter 11!

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Jmmg
By Jmmg (Feb 4, 2012)

PS. I used to work in the Camera industry, you SURE you know what you are talking about Mr. HOWABOUTRAW? You're sure Panasonic has nothing to do with any LEICA body R & D or any of its components? Have you done any REAL research before you're so SURE about Leica 100% built and made in GERMANY?

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Feb 4, 2012)

Jmmg:

Yes, I am sure that the M9 bodies are built in Germany. There may as I already said be a Fuji made processor in there.

The micro lens array on the Kodak sensor is a big reason it wouldn't work with other cameras. Also it's a CCD, so not the greatest at higher ISOs. However people love this sensor upto ISO 800 or so.

Kodak is mostly a film and chemical company, not really a camera company. Then there is that whole stupid foray into printers. Ironically 30 year old Kodak tech, now owned by others, is about to replace every flat screen TV.

Leica the camera company also went bankrupt, does that mean that Leica camera lenses aren't any good?

For someone who claims to have worked in the camera industry you don't appear to know much.

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Jmmg
By Jmmg (Feb 4, 2012)

Wow! sounded like I poke some Leica FANBOY hot button here so they have to defend the honour of mighty Leica or something!? BTW, all your so call camera knowledge, did you read them here at Dpreviews or you actually know them for fact? We truly believe everything we see and read on internet now, are we? You want to go technical, be my guest, the fact is Leica DO NOT built their camera all in Germany is a FACT, call up Leica or their mother company PANASONIC to find out for yourself FANBOY, get it real.

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Jmmg
By Jmmg (Feb 4, 2012)

BTW, while you on the phone with Leica America or PANASONIC USA, why don't you ask them about which PARTS of your beloved mighty Leica M Camera's part is built in not just Japan, but China and Tailand, Indonesia.etc as well? Not all Mighty Germany, what a scandal.....

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Feb 4, 2012)

Jmmg:

Wow, you really don't get the difference between P&S cameras made in Japan by Panasonic with Leica lenses made under license in Japan and a body the M9 or M8. (And by the way those Panasonics most certainly say made in Japan on them.)

Panasonic is not some "mother company" to Leica.

There are however Canadian made Leica R and M lenses out in the world.

Make up whatever you want to claim is reality.

Leica M bodies are made in Germany, though who knows were the metal ore is mined.

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LadyGaGa
By LadyGaGa (Feb 5, 2012)

No you don't know what you are talking about. And your attempt at analogies simply fail.

The sensors used for the M9 are excellent and have nothing to do with Kodak's marketing and sales failures.

Move along, you are simply trolling!

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Jmmg
By Jmmg (Feb 5, 2012)

LadyGaGa;

Did I say that Kodak made sensor for Leica??? HOWABOUTRAW who is the Leica expert/fanboy brought that up, cheak the post, it is so funny I found that I said in the original post about IF the X Pro 1 get close enough quality SENSOR wise like a Leica, it will be a good buy, then all the sudden all you LEICA FANBOY up an arm and can't wait to defend the mighty German/ Portuguese/ Japanese built LEICA. Well OK, if you LEICA FANBOY are that insecure about your mighty "GERMAN" camera status being challenge by other brands or in complete denial that there are absolutely nothing in this world is better than your Leica then OK your Mighty Leica is the best, OK you can calm down now, do n't want you to have a heart attack about it.

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Jmmg
By Jmmg (Feb 5, 2012)

HOWABOUTRAW;

I am living in a dream eh? You are such a Leica expert and you don't even know that your most part of mighty Leica mechanical part and body are built in Portugal then ship to Germany to assemble together at the Solms factory later. Both M8 and M9 parts were made by subcontractor all over the world then again ASSEMBLE in Germany not made in Germany, do your research EXPERT FANBOY or go ask someone really know the fact.

BTW I have a M8 and I love it too, but I also use Hasselblad, Contax, Nikon, Canon, Olympus, Sony, Yashica, Fujifilm models as well, they all good cameras and I love them all when they fit into different purpose when I needed them. I am not blindly Brand worshiping like you and other Leica FANBOY does.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Feb 5, 2012)

Jmmg:

I have no idea if some part of the M9 is made in Portugal, who cares that wasn't your point.

You claimed that M9s are basically Panasonics. And M9s aren't. (There are Panasonics that have been branded Leica, like the LX5/Delux 5; you seem confused on this point.)

You seem to think me an M9 "fanboy", nope, I have big problems with not being able to shoot noise free at ISO6400, and the shutter is much to audible, then there are buffer problems.

Though I do like the M lenses, German or Canadian.

I see no point in bringing up these other brands, except to reinforce your delusion that all sorts of Leica fans are blindly worshiping M9s.

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Jmmg
By Jmmg (Feb 5, 2012)

Panasonic and Leica both invested money in each other and have their engineers team work together and share many R & D, Panasonic also bought many share of Leica Camera AG, Leica Microsystems and Leica Geosystems. and is one of the single largest share holder for the Leica group outside of Europe. Yes, I admitted I shouldn't have "Called" Panasonic the "Mother" company for Leica, but when they held majority of your company shares and invested so much in Leica R & D plus basically have so many of their engineer team working at your labs side by side, what do you call that, please enlighten me.

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Jmmg
By Jmmg (Feb 5, 2012)

Fir all you Leica die heart;

The simple fact is there is no single "Supreme" Camera system that is built by a single company and factory anymore regardless you like it or not(Who live a dream, now?). Globalization and cost saving anyone?(Economic 101) I know its hurt to know and accept that the mighty German brand is no longer built in Germany anymore, so did China built BMW and Mercedes now. India built a lot of part for Jaguar and Aston Martin...I once bought my wife a Rolex watch for our anniversary and its movement stuck 3 times and I had to send it back for repair within the first 6 months. that Rolex cost more than my M8 plus lens but not because it is a Rolex so it is the best, later I found out that the watch was not ALL hand built from swiss anymore, I was so angry for awhile but then I have to accept the fact of Globalization effect. that's my point.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Feb 5, 2012)

Jmmg:

This is the first I've heard that Panasonic invested so heavily in Leica, so I have to take your word for it, though I wonder why, if Panasonic has such a part in Leica, the M9 and the S2 use Kodak sensors, and the S2 uses a Fuji processing chip. Can Panasonic not supply what Fuji and Kodak can?

No one here was claiming that there is some ultimate camera system, made in one factory. (The M9 has a variety of drawbacks, however Leica M lenses are hard to beat for colour and sharpness--Canadian or German.)

True the lenses used by Olympus digital cameras, Panasonic digital cameras (including the Leica branded P&Ses) and the Leica S2 have optics suited to the flat sensor plane. So yes, Leica, Olympus and Panasonic probably shared some engineering, but that wasn't your original point.

Thank you for stating that you should not have called Panasonic the "mother company" of Leica.

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Greynerd
By Greynerd (Feb 6, 2012)

@Jmmg
You cannot say because for example manufacturer Crappy sells a component to manufacturer Top-Notch that the quality of Crappy and Top-Notch's's goods are the same. Top-Notch may reject a large number of the Crappy components. These rejected compnents may even themselves end up in the Crappy products.

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Jmmg
By Jmmg (Feb 4, 2012)

IF this camera function and bug free like what said on the paper, its worth more than the listed price, I for one willing to pay more for a system as good as Leica but save big with glasses! But then again, IF it is as good as the number on paper and no deadly flaw like their NEW and Unique 12.1 MP CMOS censor in X10 and XS1, their EXR processor which gave the world WHITE ORBS Photography! The 16mp CMOS in the X pro 1 is Fuji another UNIQUE & NEW design again...well....well

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Feb 4, 2012)

Fuji lenses are not equal to Leica Ms.

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hexxthalion
By hexxthalion (Feb 6, 2012)

@HowaboutRAW - and would you expect $600 lens to perform the same like lens for $4000?????

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Conrad567
By Conrad567 (Feb 4, 2012)

Years ago I looked at a Contax G2 and fell in love. The camera was quirky, but the sample photos I looked at were extraordinary. I wanted one bad but I was a student with a young wife and small child. There was no way that I could afford it without mortgaging my entire future. So I passed. Later as the digital world evolved I dreamed about a system like the G2 that was digital. Something that worked for quick street shots and had class. The Sony, Olympus, etc. offerings have lacked the style and grace of the G2 and the endless menu settings for something as simple as changing from Manual to Aperture priority drove me nuts. It was as if Sony was blind to how a camera should be built. Finally Fuji has thrown their hat into the ring, I for one applaud them for the effort and think that the price they are offering is a BARGAIN if the camera lives up to it's potential. I have purchased the system because now I am 15 years older and have the means. I feel for the rest of you who cant

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Jmmg
By Jmmg (Feb 4, 2012)

Time will tell, my friend...

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Magnus W
By Magnus W (Feb 4, 2012)

You can easily use those Contax G lenses on NEX cameras. I do.

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Conrad567
By Conrad567 (Feb 4, 2012)

Only problem is I don't like the style of photography that an NEX requires. Holding a camera at arms length and pushing buttons to change the aperture or shutter. The endless menus etc. It is crazy. I like to set up a camera and then shoot on the fly old school like. Sony simply fails at basic understanding of how a camera should function. Fuji has returned to photographies roots, independent shutter dial and a aperture ring on the lens. These mechanics take design and components that simply adding another electronic motor and button don't require...so Sony cheaps out and makes an unusable camera in my OPINION. That is why this camera costs more and that is why people like me have been waiting for years for someone like FUJI to make. I can hardly wait for mine to come. I could never afford the LEICA offerings but I could afford the Contax G2 if it were around today...I only hope and pray that this camera lives up to expectation, of it does then it is a BARGAIN!!!

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CFynn
By CFynn (Feb 4, 2012)

IF this camera has no QC problems, everything works as expected, and it has the best of Fuji optics ~ then the launch price is OK.

This camera looks to be more or less what I've wanted for several years - but I'm going to wait a couple of months, because that is a fairly big IF and I don't want to put down that much money for the dubious privilege of being a beta tester.

IMO many camera manufacturers seem to be launching expensive new cameras with nowhere near sufficient testing and, shortly after their release we get often get a string of faults that should have been caught early in a thorough testing process. There is also just too much "sample variation" in expensive cameras and lenses these days.

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Conrad567
By Conrad567 (Feb 4, 2012)

actually it seems that companies like Leica are the biggest culprits. I for one am pleasantly surprised the the cost of the lenses is so low. I too hope that the glass lives up to expectation because I already purchased the whole system.

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Jmmg
By Jmmg (Feb 4, 2012)

Just came back from Mexico trip with kids with many beach photos ruined because of the "White Orbs" effect on bright sun light on water, sucks beyond words.

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Jmmg
By Jmmg (Feb 4, 2012)

Special or not is all depending on Fujifilm get their act together and no more malfunction lemon so often found with their other "X" cameras. Dust inside lens right out from box, sticky shutter blades, "White Orbs" that they continue to deny about and no fix in coming future... all thing is looking good on PAPER only while the quality control went downhill for Fuji's products, do you have any idea how many loyal Fuji friends are really turned off now? Just search around the internet and see how many people are already try to get rid pf their X100 and X10 with low give away price or OBO...Fuji, are you listening? I am selling mine too and you needs to do a lot to win me back.

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max metz
By max metz (Feb 4, 2012)

Camera, 3 metal primes, flash and peripheral stuff for around $4000 MSRP, it's a great start at a bargain price for a d700/5dII/M9 cross three lens kit. For me it hammers anything else on offer - Fuji nailed it with film and this looks like they will do it with digital. All going well Fuji will be my new system by year end.

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Alfie Smith
By Alfie Smith (Feb 4, 2012)

"looks like they want to do it..." but it's far away from "they will do it"... fact.

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AnHund
By AnHund (Feb 4, 2012)

Can't be compared to those cameras you mention. They are FF and in a different league than this camera.

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max metz
By max metz (Feb 4, 2012)

This camera promises to perform like or better than full frame - that's why so many are enamoured by the prospect of it.

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samhain
By samhain (Feb 3, 2012)

Of course people are gonna bash it, it flat out punks the 5d mkll, Nikon d700, etc in the iso & resolution depts and It's a fraction of the size and weight, topped off with great lenses in the $500-$700 price range. For street photography, it'll be the camera to beat. This camera is a game changer and you can bet canon, Nikon, etc will follow suite.
$1600...I'm ok with that. Losing the weight, size & the less than discrete attributes of a dslr hanging around my neck is worth the price alone. The fact that it's auto focus and produces outstanding images at all iso's are just bonus.
It'll have it's bugs, quirks and issues, but so has every other camera I've ever owned. Fuji is on to something really special here. I'm excited about this camera, but I'm ecstatic about what it will lead to in the future.

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robert andrew
By robert andrew (Feb 4, 2012)

absolutely ....... finally someone who agrees with me ..... this camera will be something special.

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Jmmg
By Jmmg (Feb 4, 2012)

Special or not is all depending on Fujifilm get their act together and no more malfunction lemon so often found with their other "X" cameras. Dust inside lens right out from box, sticky shutter blades, "White Orbs" that they continue to deny about and no fix in coming future... all thing is looking good on PAPER only while the quality control went downhill for Fuji's products, do you have any idea how many loyal Fuji friends are really turned off now? Just search around the internet and see how many people are already try to get rid pf their X100 and X10 with low give away price or OBO...Fuji, are you listening?

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mr moonlight
By mr moonlight (Feb 4, 2012)

I think Fuji has gotten their act together. They're just doing it in a different way. They're taking risks that the likes of Canon, Nikon... just won't take. I own an X100 and it's clearly not without issues, but in many ways it delivers like no other camera on the market. Canon & Nikon have been fiddling around the Rangefinder-esque cameras for awhile but never pushed them past the levels of an advanced P&S. Fuji finally did.

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thinkfat
By thinkfat (Feb 4, 2012)

Too small sensor ...

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hexxthalion
By hexxthalion (Feb 6, 2012)

@thinkfat so go buy medium or large format camera ;)

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samhain
By samhain (Feb 3, 2012)

Stoked.

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Damo83
By Damo83 (Feb 3, 2012)

The thing is it this camera is priced very highly. It's not going to have a problem selling as long as it serves up very high quality images. It's not a Leica or Leica killer. (It's not full frame and is not built by hand, nor is it a rangefinder). But people will expect that at USD $1700 it will deliver stunning results. It needs to otherwise, IMO, people will see no value in the extra investment.

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Pasha001
By Pasha001 (Feb 3, 2012)

> It's not full frame
M8 was not as well.

> is not built by hand
It is assembled by hand, naturally.

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max metz
By max metz (Feb 4, 2012)

The Fuji hyper focal scale at the bottom of the shooting screen is brilliant, it doesn't have to be full frame just perform the same and as for build quality; the Fuji x100 is better built than the Leica X1. This promises to be a 'pro camera' in every sense of the phrase, including seeing what the sensor sees while shooting.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Feb 4, 2012)

max metz:

I guess by extolling the build quality of the Fuji X100 over that of the Leica X1, you're skipping the Fuji focus problems.

Anyhow most are comparing the Fuji XPro-1 to the Leica M9--that's because of the interchangeable lenses.

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robert andrew
By robert andrew (Feb 3, 2012)

AH ..... why don't you guy's below with your " negative comments" just shut up ...... test results are not out yet ...... and already you are giving it the "THUMS" down bad mouth treatment ...... those of "US" who ''REALLY KNOW AND ENJOY PHOTOGRAPHY" have been waiting for this type of digital camera for years ..... this camera appeals to "REAL PHOTOGRAPHERS" who have years of photography experience ..... those of "US" who really knows what it's all about. Fuji finally got the message.

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inevitable crafts studio
By inevitable crafts studio (Feb 3, 2012)

who is "US" ? so you want an af camer that looks like a leica woohooo and you wated for years ..l well ... thats like your opinion ^^

why should everyone else shut up?

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robert andrew
By robert andrew (Feb 3, 2012)

"YOU" .... I hope ....... and I didn't say everyone should shut up ..... just belay the negative comments until test results are in ..... who knows you just might love the camera.

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zodiacfml
By zodiacfml (Feb 4, 2012)

if this brings the price down of the x100, then, i've been also waiting for this. hehe.

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Conrad567
By Conrad567 (Feb 4, 2012)

My thoughts exactly. It feels like a bunch of people on this forum expected the world for a dollar. This camera purports to be all metal construction and a great sensor and so many expected that to come in at less than 500 dollars US. It astounds me. I expect that fuji has carefully planned the release of this camera and carefully considered the market that they are playing to. I like you have been desiring a camera like this for years. And I think that the price might turn out to be a bargain!

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Neodp
By Neodp (Feb 4, 2012)

No Conrad. No ones saying they should give them away for nothing. I'm saying if they were $500, and with the 3 darn primes, that's $500 PER CAMERA. What makes you think they couldn't turn a healthy profit on THIS camera, at that price? You're not thinking. You're just taking what your told, and what now. Which is inflated prices. Camera lust, costs us all! Look, all it does is take pictures, OK? Even, if it's the best in the world (and it might be) it's just a camera people. You could actuality drop it, you know?

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CriticalI
By CriticalI (Feb 4, 2012)

Wow - some denial - because Fuji have made you lustful you think they should make the camera cheaper as well so you can have one?

Perhaps you need to go on a basic MBA course or get counselling for your serious lust issue. I don't have any problem not buying a camera if I can't afford it.

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robogobo
By robogobo (Feb 4, 2012)

Sorry, man. No way $500 would be profitable for Fuji. They put quite a bit of development into a unique viewfinder and sensor for this camera. At the very cheapest, compared to other cameras on the market, $1500 will show up at some discount shops or online, at least for the first few months. It's a tool, not a toy. Anyone who was around in the heyday of Leica and Contax, and when everyone and their mother made a rangefinder, knows the real value of a camera like this. I've struggled through 10 years of lugging a bulky DSLR around while waiting for someone to make a decent digital rangefinder. Seriously, even the M9 IQ isn't so wonderful. If this camera is what it claims to be, it's a bargain. Version 2 will be even better.

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Conrad567
By Conrad567 (Feb 4, 2012)

@Neodp, there is no way that $500 would be profitable. You honestly think that these people just pull a number out of the hat and charge it. Look dude why on earth would the people who developed this camera in the first place have spent their own money and risked so much unless there was the hope of a future pay off. This is business and we all are rewarded with innovation and technology because of the hope of a pay off for hard work and risk investment. And what of LEICA and the $7000 price tag. This camera could possibly be even better and at 1/4 the price. If this camera is even half as good it turns out to be a BARGAIN!

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Neodp
By Neodp (Feb 5, 2012)

OK people, you're not listening. The lowest, going price, that you can find some preferred level of quality mix, is NOT the lowest, and still profitable price that is possible. I'm going a step beyond, by critical thinking, and by the way, I could buy Ten of these sets, right now, but I choose not to do so. That's possible too, you know. My whole point is, this isn't $2300, per line, or even for 10 of them, at a time. That's $2300 PER CAMERA! Wakey wakey. Now think. Really think. If you need some help, and you're not used to critical thinking skills, I'll tell you; that's $2300 multiplied by each, and every camera they sell. Simple math, demonstrates that after just 434 camera sold, that One Million Dollars revenue collected, folks. Are you seriously trying to tell me, that they have to spend over One Million Dollars, just to produce these cameras? There's a healthy profit in just 434 cameras. How many do you think they will sell, to the entire worlds population? Enough to outwit you.

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mykeem
By mykeem (Feb 3, 2012)

I guess a lof of people aren't familiar with Fuji GW series MF cameras . These cameras- they came in three different iteration over the period of a few years as well as Normal and Wide-angle version (these were fixed lens camera).

The X-PRO1 looks very much like the MK III albeit prettier, obviously smaller and changeable lens but overall it's what those who at one time owned the GW690 (and I was one of them) would want in a digital camera especially one coming from Fuji.

I've always been reluctant to go DSLR (although I've used a few SLR in the past). To me their cumbersome with too many distracting features.

When Fuji announced the X series and forego the S series DSLR, I knew the day would come when they would produce a camera that's the japanese equivalent to the venerable Leica. I was considering Ricoh GXR but this one has everything I'd want from a camera. Bravo, Fuji.

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Josh152
By Josh152 (Feb 3, 2012)

In the end this camera will be like the X100. A niche camera for those who like the style and are willing to pay a premium for it. Everyone else will chose similar but more sensibly priced solutions from other manufactures.

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Feb 3, 2012)

You're dreaming now, right?

"Everyone else will chose similar but more sensibly priced solutions from other manufactures."

You've gotta be kidding, right? WHO are you talking about, and WHICH EXACT CAMERAS?

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kkcheong
By kkcheong (Feb 3, 2012)

Easy. Everyone will chose a Canon dSLR or g1x.

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samhain
By samhain (Feb 4, 2012)

I guess if you consider street photography & small, discrete camera's niche. Some folks consider leica's niche. I can think of a few photographers who might think otherwise. Salgado & cartier- bresson come to mind. You know, niche photographers...

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lecoupdejarnac
By lecoupdejarnac (Feb 4, 2012)

NEX-7 or NEX-5n would be obvious alternatives. Similar image quality and a good deal cheaper.

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CFynn
By CFynn (Feb 4, 2012)

The NEX 7 is just as expensive, once you factor in the cost of Zeiss branded E-mount prime lenses (a least based on the single existing example). The best Fuji optics are right up there with Zeiss - let's hope those made for this system are among them.

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mr moonlight
By mr moonlight (Feb 4, 2012)

The NEX is a totally different type of camera. There's really no comparison. All manual controls and an optical viewfinder. It's a totally different style of shooting.

As for similar image quality... we haven't seen anything from a production X-Pro1 yet, so unless someone knows something that the rest of us don't, comments regarding the cameras IQ have no grounds.

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pcworth
By pcworth (Feb 3, 2012)

Yikes, and I thought the G1X was expensive, and many think the S100 is expensive.

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Feb 3, 2012)

Canon G1 X is low-end stuff compared to Fuji X-Pro 1. In fact, there is no comparison.

Now, the S100 is also too expensive? What's your camera budget exactly, if you don't mind me asking, a hundred bucks or so?

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kevin camera
By kevin camera (Feb 3, 2012)

it's too bad that the price is not "mainstream" for this walk-around camera (i'm making this assumption because of the 18mm and 35mm lenses).

mind you a nex-7 + carl zeiss 24mm f1.8 will cost around the same price...

it's probably wrong to compare these cameras to a gf2, but gf2 kit costs about $300 and it's pretty good for a walkaround camera :)

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Pasha001
By Pasha001 (Feb 3, 2012)

It is probably wrong to compare these cameras to a Nokia N8 but :D...

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aliquis
By aliquis (Feb 3, 2012)

A little too expensive I think. Why should it cost so much more than Samsungs or Sonys equivalents?

I kinda want it but not at an infinite price.

Price seem more appropriate for a FF camera.

I wonder what the other cameras in the series will cost. Also I hate the stupid "oh we'll cripple and ignore video"-ideas. But the "pros" seem to like it.

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Pasha001
By Pasha001 (Feb 3, 2012)

What do you mean "infinite price"?

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CFynn
By CFynn (Feb 4, 2012)

I'm afraid you'd have to pay more for any new full frame camera - except maybe the Sony A850 which is now a few years old.

The launch price is more like that for a pro APS-C DSLR - and, for some photographers, this camera will be better. The body price is high but the lens prices look fairly competitive by today's standards. But let's wait to see more real world results and reviews before passing judgement.

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Shomari
By Shomari (Feb 3, 2012)

Are most of the comments regarding the annoucement for this camera made by proffessonals or enthuiast? if you are a proffessional I can understand your concern regarding the camera's image quality and it's components. If you are an enthusiast I can understand your concern with the costs.
I was just curious because a proffessional could get better value and utility from a DSLR for printing and/or selling images while purchasing a good pocketable camera like the Fuji X 10 or Leica X as an inexpensive backup or for personal shots. Many enthusiast that I know seldom print a lot of pictures these days, creating books, small prints or sharing online images. I would think many of todays, less expensive, cameras would satisfy their needs in this regards.

Like most things in life and in my opinion, it boils down to the two IF"S.
If I want it can I buy it?
If I can afford it do I want It.
Have a good day,

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mbpm
By mbpm (Feb 3, 2012)

My thoughts exactly. Good post Shomari.

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wetsleet
By wetsleet (Feb 3, 2012)

you completely miss the point!

it is about wanting what you can not have, because it looks gorgeous. As in so many walks of life ;)
They call it lust, gadget lust in this case.
You say it also takes photographs?

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Valentinian
By Valentinian (Feb 3, 2012)

There is a saying about the generals: they prepare for the wars of the past, not for the next war.
What do the Leica M9 and all FF DSLR have in common? They both adapted (successfully) a technology of the past (mirror, optical range finder) to a new generation of cameras (that use SENSORS not FILM, for crying out loud).
What are Panasonic, Olympus etc. trying to do? They are working on the evolution of SENSOR cameras. That in a near future will see super oled EVF much better than optical, and very fast autofocus.
What are Nikon, Canon and Fuji doing with the DSLR and the X-pro1 ? they are missing the boat of the future camera system, which is oled and mirrorless !

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mr moonlight
By mr moonlight (Feb 3, 2012)

I don't really see how you can achieve an OLED EVF that are better than an optical one. An optical viewfinder shows you exactly the scene that you have in front of you, whereas with EVF, you see a back lit rendition of it. Both have their uses, but Optical is still far superior. I think Fuji hit it dead on with their hybrid viewfinder by giving us the advantages of both while adding in the viewing area outside your frame that you get with a rangefinder.

EVF's have their uses but the technology is still not even close to being good enough for most professional use.

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aliquis
By aliquis (Feb 3, 2012)

mr moonlight:

Only the lag factor is superior with an OVF.

All else is better with an EVF imho.

The photo you get will be a representation of what the lens and sensor see anyway.

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Valentinian
By Valentinian (Feb 3, 2012)

Someone must have missed the news DPreview posted Jan 27:
"French manufacturer MicroOLED has announced a 5 million dot OLED suitable for use as an electronic viewfinder - far beyond the resolution of the current best units used in recent Sony cameras. The 5.2M effective dots mean it can display 1280x1024 pixel resolution in color, assuming a four-dots-per-pixel layout. Imaging Resource has written an article in which they suggest it could spell the end of the optical viewfinder"
READ AGAIN:"it could spell the end of the optical viewfinder"

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deniz erdem
By deniz erdem (Feb 3, 2012)

a very good summary of the mirrorless arena

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Josh152
By Josh152 (Feb 3, 2012)

Every EVF I have ever looked through pales in comparison to an OVF. Especially if you want to see fine details. Not to mention the unexplored potential consequences to your eye sight from having an LCD screen less then an inch from your eye for several hours. Heck even after ten minutes with an EVF my eye starts getting fatigued.

EVF's may replace OVFs some day but that day will not come until some new, game changing technology is invented. Small improvements in resolution and refresh rate are not enough.

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sandy b
By sandy b (Feb 3, 2012)

That new tech is not available yet

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Pasha001
By Pasha001 (Feb 3, 2012)

> That in a near future will see super oled EVF much better than optical
Yeah, we are seeing in "near future" large OLED TVs - and for how many years already?

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Pasha001
By Pasha001 (Feb 3, 2012)

> Only the lag factor is superior with an OVF.
Unfortunately it is the only thing that matters if you need to frame a shot quickly.

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Feb 3, 2012)

The only OLED EVF camera I have played with is the Sony SLT Alpha 77. That OLED EVF looked pretty much the same to me as any one of the better LCD-based EVFs, including Sony's. So, I am not getting what the big deal is with OLED EVFs.

The Fujifilm X100 and X-Pro 1 have optical + electronic hybrid VFs, the same head-up display that the jet pilots and some cars use. Nobody else has that, AFAIK.

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Lucas_
By Lucas_ (Feb 3, 2012)

mr. moonlight: "An optical viewfinder shows you exactly the scene that you have in front of you..." - right, but not really what the electronic sensor will record, and a well designed EVF ( like Sony's AMOLED? ) is an electronic device showing an image much closer to what the sensor will capture!

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mr moonlight
By mr moonlight (Feb 4, 2012)

Lucas,
A sensor captures a lot more than what you can display on a screen and is always subject to how the image is interpreted by the software. Everyone who shoots in RAW and pushes their photos knows this all to well. If you are shooting just jpeg, never do any post work and only view your images on screen, an EVF will be closer to what your final product will be. Once you print your images, you will be again dealing with reflected vs. backlit light which will be closer to what you will see through an OVF.

Plus looking at a scene with the naked eye and going back and forth between EVF can be a pain not to mention just the strain of staring at a backlit screen an inch from your eye all day. I stare a monitors enough when doing post work!!!!

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yyuuhhaauu
By yyuuhhaauu (Feb 3, 2012)

At that price range and lack of lenses for the Xpro1, .. I may now resort to the following combination:
Keep My M9-P with the Nex 7 or Ricoh GXR (having the focus peaking) as the second spare camera body offering 1.5 X option with my Leica lenses.

I will still keep my X10 as the P/S DC .

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Feb 3, 2012)

Hablo Ingles, Senior?

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robogobo
By robogobo (Feb 4, 2012)

Aw why not buy it anyway just for fun. What's a couple grand?

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yyuuhhaauu
By yyuuhhaauu (Feb 4, 2012)

Got more cameras than I need and should have and never really use each one well.
Actually , the Xpro1 does offers some features that I consider great to complement my M9 P, such as more direct control similar to the traditional rangefinder with ----- EV adjustment knob .. . However, the lack of 'focus peaking' is a deciding factor for my aging eyes looking for electronic help to get the focus right on the M lens .
During my travels in the past years, I have enjoyed to bring three M primes lenses and two bodies (M9 and a GF1 )-- (effectively 6 focal lengths) all packed in a small pouch .. The pouch size will be too small for a DSLR and a small zoom lens . Travel light and well is what I enjoy ..

Yes, two grand may not be the end of the world, but I am not too keen on buying those Fuji lenses which will be useful only on that body. Let's wait and see when it comes out and ..
I can be persuaded .. .. Ha! ha.!.

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ecm
By ecm (Feb 3, 2012)

The price is disappointing, but it's competition is not the D5100 or T3i, or even the enthusiast dSLRs, but rather Leica's digital rangefinder offerings. The body price is comparable to the low-end pro dSLR's (7D, D7000) which no doubt take better photos, in a more competent fashion.

But.... A POCKETABLE, INCONSPICUOUS, and SILENT camera that takes magazine quality (if not art gallery quality), low-noise, low-light photos? How much is that worth to a news photog or street shooter?

Once it's "in the wild" and market forces take over it'll find a price concordant with it's real value - likely in a year or so. I'd guess that if it's not pretty close to what Fuji is now asking, there will never be an X-Pro2.

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steveh0607
By steveh0607 (Feb 3, 2012)

It's not pocketable. As to price, let's wait until a production model is tested to see if it's warranted.

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mr moonlight
By mr moonlight (Feb 3, 2012)

We'll see once we get some solid reviews of production models. If it lives up to all the specs, than the price is really quite good. If build quality is along the lines of the X100, then it will be a cut above the lower end Pro DSLR's. If the sensor acts like the claims with it's more randomized looking pattern and lack of an anti aliasing filter, then it will definitely be worth it's price and image quality will be better than the likes of all the current DSLR's out there with APS-C sensors.

Where I see the real value is in the lenses. If the lenses perform as I'd expect from Fuji, then you'll have outstanding quality glass with professional build quality at pretty rock bottom prices.

All our answers will come once we see the production models.

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aliquis
By aliquis (Feb 3, 2012)

The body price is above 7D and D7000.

It's neither of the three upper-case words.

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aliquis
By aliquis (Feb 3, 2012)

I saw someone further below talking about this and weather sealing and comparing with 7D and such again.

Which reminded me about the new Pentax camera. Same sensor as K5 but the price was supposed to be like 750 dollars or so? I don't think the uhm.. "fitting" for the lenses was a good idea but the price is obviously better. That one lacks both OVF and EVF but whatever.

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slaughtr
By slaughtr (Feb 3, 2012)

A 7D is $1440 at B and H, sorry alquis, your wrong.

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CFynn
By CFynn (Feb 4, 2012)

This is a very different camera to Leica's M8 and M9. It has a far more modern sensor, live view and auto focus capabilities. The hybrid viewfinder is very different than that in a rangefinder (we'll have to see how good it is for manual focusing) - it will also be useable with longer and wider lenses than are practical on a Leica - as well as with zoom lenses.

The design also has far more in common with a Contax G2 or Fuji's own TX2 (both loved by many users) than it does with a Leica - so people should stop calling it a "Leica clone".

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cxsparc
By cxsparc (Feb 4, 2012)

It really astonishes me and beats me again, why people bestow this camera with such advance laurels and expcectations:
Magazine quality? Art gallery quality?

This is NO fullframe camera. And while APS-C cameras are really good nowadays, every Nex could be expected to perform on a similar level, but much cheaper.

For what it is worth, the first picture I sold to a newspaper was shot with a 5n.

"A POCKETABLE, INCONSPICUOUS, and SILENT camera that takes magazine quality (if not art gallery quality), low-noise, low-light photos? How much is that worth to a news photog or street shooter?"
BTW, it is NOT pocketable.

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Jmmg
By Jmmg (Feb 3, 2012)

I have the Nex-5n and its blew me away how good this little Sony can do, unfortunately like any other Sony products I have owed in the past, Sony seem to be suffering from ADHD, they always started many great product line and ideas but then all the sudden they will completely dropping their support on their own product and start something else, the issue with lack of E-mount lenses made the Nex system is a good backup unit for family P & S, but not for any serious photographer or professional users IMHO.

P.S. not all BMW owner are snobs or cocks, Audi drivers are.

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Lucas_
By Lucas_ (Feb 3, 2012)

Don't forget the tsunami in Japan and floods in Thailand, those disasters practically froze Sony's production and distribution for over four months. They're now starting new production lines in different places to overcome some of the large delay in their business. Several new E-mount lenses are now being announced to be available within 2012.

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Jmmg
By Jmmg (Feb 4, 2012)

Don't get me wrong, I love the NEX camera, its amaze me every time I use it and compare the photos with my D300s. I am looking forward for more Non Sony E-mount lenses becomes available in the future:)

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