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Sigma announces 19mm F2.8 and 30mm F2.8 Digital Neo lenses for mirrorless systems

Jan 10, 2012 at 00:00:00 GMT

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Pre-CES: Sigma has launched the Digital Neo range of lenses for mirrorless interchangeable lens cameras, with the announcement of the 19mm F2.8 and 30mm F2.8 lenses for Micro Four Thirds and Sony NEX. The two relatively compact prime lenses offer 38mm and 60mm equivalent fields of view, respectively, on the Micro Four Thirds system and, 28.5mm and 45mm on the Sony E-mount. At F2.8, neither lens is spectacularly fast, but both systems benefit from the Sigma beginning to make mirrorless-specific lenses. Pricing and availability information has not been announced.

Press Release:

Sigma Corporation of America announces prime lenses for mirrorless interchangeable lens cameras at CES 2012

New lenses and product line designed for Micro Four Thirds, E-mount systems

RONKONKOMA, NY and LAS VEGAS, NV, Jan. 9, 2012 – Sigma Corporation of America today announced the launch of its new line of Micro Four Thirds system and E-mount lenses for mirrorless interchangeable lens cameras from the Consumer Electronics Show (CES) 2012 in Las Vegas, NV.

The leading researcher, developer, manufacturer and service provider of some of the world’s most impressive lines of lenses, cameras and flashes, has made its entrée into the mirrorless interchangeable lens category with the introduction of its Digital Neo (DN) line, which will first include the 30mm F2.8 EX DN and the 19mm F2.8 EX DN lenses in Micro Four Thirds mounts for Olympus and Panasonic, and E-mount for Sony NEX-series cameras. Pricing and availability are pending.

“The launch of our DN series with two fast prime lenses demonstrates our commitment to being a leader in innovation and quality, and providing photographers with excellent choices for lenses in this exciting new camera category," said Mark Amir-Hamzeh, president of Sigma Corporation of America. “Sigma lenses empower photographers to be more creative with their photography, and we’re absolutely thrilled to be embarking on this new journey with products for mirrorless interchangeable lens cameras for Micro Four Thirds and NEX mount systems."

The Sigma DN line of high-performance lenses is designed exclusively for mirrorless interchangeable lens cameras. This lens design and technology ensures high optical performance and compact, lightweight construction. The DN lenses’ superior telecentric optical design also assures sharp- and high-resolution image quality across the entire image plane.

The 30mm F2.8 EX DN and the 19mm F2.8 EX DN lenses are both equipped with Sigma’s Super Multi-Layer Coating to reduce flare and ghosting, while providing sharp and high-contrast images, even at the maximum aperture. The lenses also benefit from a newly developed linear autofocus (AF) motor, which moves the lens unit directly without the need for gears or the drive of other mechanical parts. This system ensures accurate and quiet autofocusing, making both the 30mm F2.8 EX DN and the 19mm F2.8 EX DN suitable for video recording as well as still photos.

The Sigma 30mm F2.8 EX DN has the equivalent angle of view of a 60mm lens (35mm equivalent focal length) on the Micro Four Thirds system and 45mm (35mm equivalent focal length) on the E-mount system. It has a minimum focusing distance of 11.8 inches and a maximum magnification ratio of 1:8.1. The 30mm F2.8 EX DN has two glass mold aspherical lenses, including a double-sided aspherical lens, to provide excellent correction for all types of aberration, as well as an inner focusing system that corrects the fluctuation of aberration to maintain image quality regardless of the focal distance. It also features a rounded, seven-blade diaphragm to deliver a smooth rendering of the out-of-focus areas of the image.
The Sigma 19mm F2.8 EX DN is a wide angle lens with the equivalent angle of view of a 38mm (35mm equivalent focal length) on the Micro Four Thirds system and 28.5mm (35mm equivalent focal length) on the E-mount system. It has a minimum focusing distance of 7.9 inches and a maximum magnification ratio of 1:7.4. Three glass mold aspherical lenses provide excellent correction for distortion, color aberration and field curvature, and an inner focusing system corrects the fluctuation of aberration to maintain image quality regardless of the focal length. The 19mm F2.8 EX DN lens features a rounded, seven-blade diaphragm, which ensures smooth rendering of the out-of-focus areas of the image.

Sigma Corporation of America is exhibiting at CES 2012 this week in the Las Vegas Convention Center’s Central Hall, booth 8960. For information about Sigma Corporation of America, visit www.sigmaphoto.com, or follow the company on Twitter and Facebook.

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Total comments: 88

If they have good image quality and reasonable price, they should sell well on NEX mount. But performance is going to have to be really good to compete with existing Micro 4/3 lenses (I'm thinking mainly of the Panasonic 14mm, 20mm, and 25mm lenses.) I think these were primarily designed with NEX in mind, and then adding the Micro 4/3 mount to generate some additional sales and exposure.

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Don't think they have to compete with any m43 lens to sell well. The NEX system needs more lenses and consumers will take any that they can get.

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Dear Sigma-Santa-Claus,

I know it is very early this year. And yes, it is not even a month ago you visited us. But I've not written to you last year. In order not to forget it this time, I'd rather write earlier this year.

The lenses you provide us are surely a first test to see the market potential. And - believe me - the potential is there. Also these lenses are eagerly awaited, since Sigma usually makes an excellent job. The following lenses are on my wish list for Micro-4/3rds:

a tele-zoom like a 35-100mm, f2,8 or f4 EX DG HSM
a travel-zoom like 12-75mm, f4, EX DG HSM
a macro lens like 75mm or 100mm f2,8 EX DG HSM
a fisheye, sharp up to the corners.

The best would be, if you could also provide a fitting port for the u/w housing Olympus makes :-) Or maybe you could share your specifications for your surely splendid lenses with the port producers.

Yours
ZSlamaj

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These are unexciting focal lengths for m43. Plenty of better alternatives already exist. For NEX, maybe.

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I find the tone of these comments really shows what's wong with photography these days. All these complaints that the apertures aren't large enough miss out on the most important thing: how many other major lens manufacturers are producing third-paty autofocus prime lenses for the NEX series? We should be happy that three years in someone other than the manufacturer is finally supporting these cameras, and not whinging about how the first companies to make third party mirrorless AF lenses shouldn't have bothered.

This obsession with 'more' and 'better' also makes me wonder how people would react to a Leica 2.8 prime. Would they say, "Wow, great images, and really sharp!" Or would they scoff at the fact that it's 'too expensive for its aperture'?

No, I don't work for these companies. But I've shot long enough to know that more isn't better - better is better. And any competition is good competition.

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I agree to your opinion.

It became time that other manufacturers are going to support the excellent NEX System.

And the people complaining about the 19mm not being faster have no idea of the difficulties in designing and producing such lenses. But maybe these people never heard of the "light-fall-off" problem on very fast wide lenses...

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Leica already have f2.5 primes in the form of their Summarit range. They are less expensive than their f2 and f1.4 counterparts. Leica also make the lenses in f2.8 and f3.5. Nobody says boo to them at all. Most praise them as being less expensive than the faster lenses, but still having excellent image quality.

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At $99 per lens, these two Sigmas will probably sell well. But if it's more than that -- I just don't know.

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Could you please let us know where to get this price recommendation from?

Why shall Sigma give away for (almost) free such lenses?
Do you have an idea of R&D costs? Apparently not...

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One year after this comment was made, these lenses are available from B&H for that very price.

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What was Sigma thinking ? Panasonic has two fast X zooms coming with IS so I will wait to see what the price will be on them.
http://www.dpreview.com/news/2012/01/11/PanasonicConceptLenses

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Unless these lenses are inexpensive, I don't see the point. Neither are stabilised or really that compact or fast (aperture). Compared to what is already on offer from Panasonic and Olympus I can't see the benefit - for M4/3 anyway.

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You need stabilization in a w/a lens?

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Just look at the size of that front element compared to the size of the lens body. Crazy

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These aren't compact, but at least they're fast... oh wait.

These aren't fast, but at least they're compact... oh wait.

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I try to be open minded and positive about product launches. I try to see how they might be useful to someone even if they aren't to me. But man, why would anyone buy these 2 lenses?

Sony users have the dirt cheap 16mm f2.8 already, and a 30mm f3.5 Macro. Okay, so the 30mm f2.8 is a hair faster, but it's still not fast.

m4/3 users have the cheap 17mm f2.8 and the fast 20mm f1.7 and the 25mm f1.4. So I guess if it's dirt cheap, then maybe the 30mm could be a short portrait lens or something like that.

This is like Tamron making the 18-200 for NEX. Why make lenses that already exist! The lens lineups have huge holes (especially NEX) and instead of filling them, they make what is already available and use boring apertures to boot.

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i totally agree couldnt have said it any better

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If these two lenses are priced at $99 or less a pop, they will certainly sell. More than that, I am less sure.

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Shall someone start to sell really quality real wide angle lenses for mirrorles mounts? And primes, please. Even for APS-C DSLR you should be happy if you find good used Sigma 14mm WA. Nothing else on the horizont. And it is longest focal length for WA/UWA.

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sigma have a big problem with his board of directors. this is not a first stupid decision.

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The Sony 16mm Pancake for NEX sucks at the edges of frame and its not exactly sharp in the centre of frame either!...Both new Sigmas should be a lot better right across the frame.

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Nice , wonder if we will see sigma lenses for the Nikon 1 series as well.

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Those lenses are promising for me. I miss optically good lenses without necessity for distortion correction for example in good price range for mirrorless cameras.

I don’t think that F 1.4 or 2 is so important, 2.8 is OK if another lens parameters will be on level above average.

I hope that Sigma give up speed to better optical performance like distortion, CA and mainly bokeh.

Generally it is change for both systems to get good lenses. Current nex mount offer from sony is quite poor in similar range and m4/3 depend too strongly on software correction.

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If you don't think speed is important then I fail to understand why you care so much about quality??? IMO, an F1.4 and F2 lens is important to most photographers; and likewise, the quality of lenses at these fast numbers by association would (I presume) be high.

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Don't equate fast with quality.

Fast lenses, though usually much more expensive, often have worse IQ than slower lenses, less expensive, lenses of the same focal length from the same manufacturer.

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I want the Sigma 30mm F/1.4 for the NEX. Sigma, give it to us please!

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does not make sense for m43, but NEX needs some glass. Even halfway crappy Sigma lenses are an improvement over what they have.

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OK, what is the public that they are aiming for considering we have better native lenses at reasonable prices?

Really dont get this!
Even SLR Magic is one step above you guys ;)

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45/2.8 on NEX seems slow considering you can get 20/1.7 and 25/1.4 on M43

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But Nex has larger sensor so you get one stop lower DOF anyway. Plus better high ISO compensate too. The 25/1.4 M4/3 is expensive. These Sigma lenses are supposed to be much cheaper.

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I bought a 28mm Vivitar SMS f/2.8 Close focus (MD mount) for my L1 in 4/3 mount. It's small, light, superbly built, excellent close focus on 4/3 mount (about 1:2.5), for $20.00 like new with caps. Unless you need auto focus I can't see why lenses like this appeal. I'll be using it on my E-P1 as well.

Looking at the max magnification on the 19mm almost makes me ill :). C'mon maaaan! Really?

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"Unless you need auto focus "

That's a big unless .. of course these are native lenses with full electronic contact and AF. No adapter needed either, so overall size of the package is smaller too compared to third-party lenses mounted with an adapter.

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I got a very nice Yashica 50mm lens for $10 shipped. So should Canon, Nikon, Sony, Sigma and Pentax stop selling their 50mm primes?

Lenses like these sell because they are native mount, have auto exposure, and don't require as much luck to achieve focus.

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Of course they shouldn't stop selling their 50mm Primes. But offer something different than the competition that compels buyers to go to it. Neither of these lenses do that. The point I'm making about used lenses is that buyers will likely go to that market if the native mounts don't offer what they are really looking for- especially at native mount prices.

Not only that but Sigma has to compete with the Native mount lens sales to boot. Just a couple of dumb lenses to bring to the market- and I might add, way too late.

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"Unless you need auto focus..."
I don`t need AF so often, but I like if camera can stop the lens aperture for me at the moment of shooting. For some time I used old, but good 1.8/105mm Nikkor for portraiture, and I rarely used it wide open, most often 2.8, sometimes f4 and even 5.6. And while stopping the lens down, I have offten moved a little, just enough to get wrong focus. Not to mention a macro work.
So adopted lenses are not so good solution for all situations, even if you don`t need AF.

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Look at this poll, nobody wants it, just like I said. Dumb idea.

http://www.43rumors.com/page/3/

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Why does nobody ever seem to realise that lens design is about compromise?

On any camera/lens article you'll invariably find comments like:

- it's too big
- it's not fast enough
- why isn't it a pancake
- should have been longer and wider (for zooms)

I'm pretty sure Sigma know what they're doing. These lenses are f/2.8 for a reason, or multiple reasons, whether it's for the size, the inclusion of silent linear AF, price point, image quality, or a combination of all the above.

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Some people do, but most like to whinge and say well if company x can do it... It is never as simple as all that.

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are you working for Sigma?
Come on, what you have mentioned are concern for the lens engineers not consumers, I don't see anything wrong with consumers asking for more features or better lens. They are the drives for improvement.

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yeap and then the exact same poor losers who complain about a f2.8 lens say say "if i only had the money to buy this f1.2 lens".

pathetic.. lol

that said.... sigma SHOULD improve the quality management!!

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But then you get lenses like the Panasonic 20mm f1.7 which has everything - small size, fast, its a pancake and its not too expensive. So everyone is using that as a benchmark to compare systems.

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brendon1000 is absolutely correct. Nobody is whining. As consumers, and photographers, if we can get a 20 1.7 for approx. $300 USD, why would we buy a 19 2.8? Because we like cranking up the ISO to get an exposure?

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Seems that only Panasonic, Fujifilm, Samsung, SLR Magic and Voigtlander, and only since recently, Olympus with the 12 f2 and 45 1.8, seem to understand that photographers want large aperture lenses. Especially on m43, and ASP-C where DOF is not as great as FF, it is essential to start with as fast a lens as possible.

If Sigma or Tamron make a constant f2.8 zoom like their excellent 17-50s, I'd buy one in a heartbeat. But for primes that are not wide-angles or macro lenses, there really is no reason but economics to produce lenses with f2.8 max apertures. Not complaining, just saying.

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If they stick to smaller apertures, they can produce greater IQ in a smaller package. Lenses are all about compromise. Look at the size of the 24/1.8 Zeiss.

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And those OEMs can then release firmware updates to support their own new lenses and their required corrections (though are starting to leave older models in the cold, so are considered incompatible) - Sigma, Tamron and Tokina don't have that luxury. End of story.

Oh and yes they could make lenses faster, massive and expensive (without correction they have to be all three).

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>Especially on m43, and ASP-C where DOF is not as great as FF

Surely you meant to say "where DOF is greater than with FF" ???

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@Jens_G Look at the Panasonic 20 1.7 and Olympus 45 1.8: Both are superb optically, and as small and inexpensive as you could want.

The E-Mount Zeiss 1.8 is because the NEX mount needs a spacer to get the rear element away from the sensor for infinity focus. I should not be used as a measuring stick for other lenses.

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my minor b****ing: they should've made the lens wider in diameter into a 49mm filter thread to match most of the NEX E-mount lenses. that way I can share the filters from my pancake, kit lens, & SEL50F18.

plus, it'll probably allow a shorter optic design.

all in all still a good option!

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It'sa good start, though 2.8 is nothing to brag about ...

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Bitch bitch bitch, all people ever do! Remember that Sigma etc cannot rely on in camera lens correction which is required for the panny 20mm, Samsung 30mm and many others to reduce size while keeping a fast aperture. Personally I prefer not to have a system (and certainly not a lens) that relies on in camera correction.

The only thing I would have asked for is IS in these, especially the 30mm (I know it doesn't make a massive difference at 45mm equiv (NEX) - but it does make some). f2.8 is fine and so long as they are relatively inexpensive I will probably buy the 30mm and will consider the 19mm (for NEX, m43's seem a little bit strange FL). I use an old manual 28mm 2.8 on my NEX and it is a great combo - that plus AF and a lot smaller is very useful to me.

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What's stopping Sigma from sharing lens profile data with Olympus to allow corrections on the Pen cameras? They could even pay Oly for the cost of making and testing a firmware revision.

Come to think of it, Olympus should encourage an Oly certified third party lens program- could be a major differentiator against Panny and Sony, both of which are probably too arrogrant to try something like this. Besides, Panny probably makes too much money from the 20mm f1.7 to do this anyway.

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While I think that would be awesome, that lens would have to be sold as Olympus m4/3 ONLY and not NEX and m4/3 standard. I don't think that would fly unfortunately :(

Personally I would rather the lenses be uncorrected and be a stop slower than the other way around. Imagine if all those old 'dead format' lenses all required software correction to make them work on m4/3's or NEX or NX or X mount (too many X's!) then they would be considered absolutely useless!

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abortabort

Just tested my Samsung 30mm f/2 lens on my Samsung NX100 with distortion compensation off then on.

Downloaded the RAW files and extracted with Photoshop, and I'm not seeing much difference between the two examples of the same scene, a scene with strong vertical lines.

Perhaps there's a tiny bit of distortion, aka difference, but not
with that f/2 lens not much.

Tested with lens open to f/2.

You may have a point about distortion correction for Samsung NX zoom lenses, or the 20mm. But those don't open to f/2 so aren't part of the point here.

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@GuptaD42 Correction data is supplied digitally by the lens to the camera body, so either Sigma doesn't have the protocol or decided that as the NEX doesn't support this anyway they need to use optical correction, and many people moan about digital correction...

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Pany 20mm f1.7 is much brighter and extremely sharp lens, very small and cheap. Don't understand what will be the advantage of buying sigma?

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...it appears they were thinking more about the E mount with this one. Using it on a smaller mount is a cheap bonus for them to design.

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Yeah the Panny 20/1.7 is one of my favourite lenses on my NEX...

OH WAIT

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Sigma is missing the m43 bus, unless the 19mm is cheap ($100?) and much sharper than the 14-42 msc kit lens at the maximum aperture. Third party lens makers need to realise that the lens has to offer something extra to compete in the same focal range as the kit lens.

Sigma should have gone for the jugular against the Panny 20mm f1.7. Same focal length or even slightly longer (say 24mm) would have been fine if they could do f1.7-f2 and sell it at $200.

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Is it the same lens in E mount and m4/3 mount? Or is the m4/3 version smaller?

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forgedt it mate, dont think it really meant for m4/3. no just like other sigma lenses for 4/3 and apsc of same built and size, just a different mount. M4/3 doesnt need sigma lenses, not at this moment. They maybe need sony or fuji sensors, some of pany are not bad though.

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The m43 version would actually be slightly longer, due to differences in flange/registration distances.

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Incorrect. Nex version would be 2mm longer since Nex flange distance is shorter than M4/3,

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4/3 must die. It''s ridiculous.

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On m43, there are already 17mm & 20mm covered, and in pancake form, so a 19mm isn't needed - and certainly not f2.8.

30mm on m43 is too short for portrait and too long for a walk-about.

Unless these are cheap and optically good, I can't see m43 users getting too excited.

The Sony crowd otot.....

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i think its to help sony nex customers, m4/3 is only supported to show, sigma is producing it for multiple lens mounts.

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Nice of Sigma to remember the Samsung NX cameras, not.

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Don't expect a Japanese company to even think about Korean brands! I live in Japan, you can't find any Samsung cameras here unless they being used by tourists from overseas.

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Really? Even the Samsung TL500(Ex1)? Are there any Korean cars in Japan? Like Hyundai or Kia?

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jamriphoto:

Interesting point about the availability of Samsung cameras in Japan.

Seems to me the Japanese lens makers could learn a few things from Samsung.

That 30mm f/2 NX lens from Samsung comes close to German lenses and no, prime Nikons don't. Perhaps Fuji.

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Sigma's F2.8 19 mm M4/3 lens to compete with Panasonic 20 mm F1.7, then everything depends on price

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what are you talking about, mate? :p

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If these lenses on micro 4/3's are as good as the Sigma 30mm f1.4 was on my 4/3's cameras....I won't be buying them.

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Yeah, no point in putting a lens optimised for a larger sensor on a smaller sensor, due to the effective reduction in optical resolution. Same reason I don't use FF lenses on my APS DSLRs.

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On the other hand, if they are as good as the Sigma 24mm f/2.8 of the Sigma DP2, then it all makes sense, even the 19mm for m4/3.

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Why don't they just name them as they are? For example on the E mount, call them 28.5mm and 45mm.

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...because that is not their focal length?! The conversion should be in your head because it is. The focal length is real.

The useful spec would be an angle of view spec printed on the barrel. However, even that could be mangled since they can choose vert/diag/horiz.

Besides, they don't want to make comparison easy.

What you're really asking is for is akin to "more honest MPG specs" from an electric car. They run on watts, not gallons. focal length in MM is a constant real spec, independent of sensor size. No amount of whining will change that. You just need to look at it differently.

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Yeah, about time we got some E mount primes. Size looks good. No pancake, for sure, but no behemoth either. Maybe about half (or less) the length of the Sony 24.

Now, how soon with they be available, and at what price?

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It's a bit disappointing that given the amount of glass in use that they couldn't include a little more and get an aperture like oh I dunno F2 or F1.8 god forbid F1.4. Why do these turkeys think that 2.8 is fast enough or is going to provide a shallow enough DOF?

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Because everyone cries about size. Especially the MFT crowd. However, I agree with you.

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Samsung 30/2 is smaller still. So it's not for size. Maybe price.

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S.A. "Because everyone cries about size. Especially the MFT crowd. However, I agree with you."

But the u4/3 crowd already have a faster 20/1.7 that is much smaller than this 19/2.8, so Sigma are just wasting our time all around...

As has been said I will not be at all surprised if they have frequent QC issues and focus issues anyway..

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Nice, but I want wide enough apertures that I can begin to creatively limit depth of field at wide-to-normal focal lengths of m4/3 at less than macro subject distances.

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Then don't use m43?
Nex with MF glass is a much better option.
Large sensor + large aperture + MF focus peaking = win

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great so we can enjoy decentered and bad focusing sigma lenses on mFT too....

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Don't be so quick to judge - remember Sony shared the mount specs, including the electronics, with Sigma.

Let's wait for reviews.

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f2.8 prime lenses hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

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You make one with a larger aperture, that covers an APS sensor, with linear AF, at the same price point, with the same or better IQ.
You should make a killing since you'll have no direct competition.

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About time!

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