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Preview: Fujifilm X-Pro1 mirrorless interchangeable lens camera [Updated]

By dpreview staff on Jan 10, 2012 at 00:01 GMT

Just Posted: Our preview of the Fujifilm X-Pro1 and Fujifilm's X system lenses. The X-Pro1 is, in many respects, the camera that many people hoped the X100 was foreshadowing: interchangeable lenses and a cutting-edge sensor combined in a classically-styled body and retaining the excellent hybrid optical/electronic viewfinder. We've had a chance to get our hands on the X-Pro 1 and the 18mm F2, 35mm F1.4 and 60mm F2.4 primes that are being launched alongside it, to get to really make sense of the camera, its capabilities and that unusual color-filter array.

Hands-on preview of the Fujifilm X-Pro1 System:

Update from Fujifilm press conference at CES 2012 [9/1/2012]: The X-Pro1's price will be around $1700, with lenses in the $650 region. The company says it will release 9 lenses for the X-mount over the next three years, including zooms, as well as prime lenses. The widest currently planned lens is a 14mm (21mm equivalent), and there will be mount adapters, with the Leica M-mount being the first to become available.

A slide from the launch presentation at CES 2012

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Press Release:

Interchangeable lens system camera from FUJIFILM

FUJIFILM X-Pro1- featuring the new X-Trans CMOS sensorTM and an FUJIFILM original X-Mount and Hybrid Multi Viewfinder

FUJIFILM Corporation (President and CEO: Shigetaka Komori) are proud to announce the FUJIFILM X-Pro1, an all-new interchangeable lens camera system. The X-Pro1 features a 16 megapixel APS-C X-Trans CMOS sensorTM, a brand new X lens mount, Hybrid Multi Viewfinder and three prime lenses.

Key Features

Setting new standards in image resolution

FUJIFILM have developed a new CMOS sensor called the X-Trans CMOSTM. The X-Trans CMOSTM sensor is capable of delivering resolution that is parallel, if not superior, to a full frame sensor.

The new colour filter array paves the way for an ideal sensor that does not need an optical low-pass filter. While the optical low-pass filter is indispensable for the reduction of moiré and false colour generated by conventional sensors, it also degrades resolution. FUJIFILM has developed a new colour filter array that is inspired by the random arrangement of fine film grain, removing the need for an optical low-pass filter to solve moiré and false colour issues. In the array, RGB pixels are arranged in 6x6 pixel sets with high aperiodicity. Increasing the degree of randomness eliminates the fundamental cause of moiré and false colours – a problem that occurs in conventional arrays when shooting stripes and other repeating patterns. The presence of an R, G and B pixel in every vertical and horizontal pixel series minimizes the generation of false colours and delivers higher colour reproduction.

EXR Processor Pro – As a result of using a film-inspired array, a more powerful processor is required to process the image signal data. So FUJIFILM have created the EXR Processor Pro. This development will maximise the full potential of the X-Trans CMOSTM sensor and deliver high speed and high precision image processing.

Prime FUJINON XF lenses deliver the highest image quality

Fujinon lenses have long been associated with delivering high quality images, with optics used for both broadcast TV and medium format cameras. Now the expertise borne out of this enviable optical heritage has been put into lenses for the FUJIFILM X-Pro1

Three compact XF Fujinon fast aperture prime lenses will be available at launch. The “XF18mmF2 R”, “XF 35mmF1.4 R” and “XF60mmF2.4 R Macro” all offer precise control over depth-of-field and deliver excellent out-of-focus bokeh thanks to the design of the moulded aperture diaphragm blades. The blades are curved to create a circular image at all aperture settings, while the very edges of each blade are meticulously rounded off rather than simply cut off, which delivers a sharper image. In addition, the solid feel of the high-quality metal barrel and detailed exposure setting in 1/3 step increments using the aperture ring fuel your desire to capture more photos with every shot.

FUJIFILM original “X-Mount” maximises lens performance

Specifically designed to maximise the mirror less design of the body the X-Mount has a short flange back distance of just 17.7mm. This means the rear lens elements are as close as possible to the sensor. The wide opening allows the lens to be mounted deeper within the body – up to 7.5mm (approx) from the mount surface – reducing the back focus distance of each lens to the minimum possible, thus achieving high resolution all the way to the edge of the image

Hybrid Multi Viewfinder – seeing is believing

FUJIFILM’s revolutionary Hybrid Viewfinder first appeared in the X100. With its ability to instantly switch between an Optical Viewfinder and Electronic Viewfinder the Hybrid Viewfinder has added a new dimension to the pleasure of composing photographs. For the brightest viewing image, and to keep shutter lag to a minimum, users should choose the Optical Viewfinder. Those wanting focus confirmation, exposure information, white balance information and depth of field indicators should switch to Electronic Viewfinder.

The Electronic Viewfinder provides an excellent “Live View” of your composition. This fusion of technologies allows users to enjoy composing their images through a bright viewfinder, but has the option to overlay vital picture taking information should this be required.

Changing between the two viewfinders is simple, thanks to the switch on the front of the X-Pro1 body. When attaching a FUJINON XF-series lens on X-Pro1, both the viewfinder magnification and bright frame size automatically switch to support the lens focal length. Viewfinder magnification switches to 0.37x for the 18mm lens, and to 0.60x when the 35mm or 60mm lens is mounted, letting you compose your shot with the bright, crystal clarity of an optical image. The X-Pro1 also gives you the freedom to manually set a focal distance and switch between viewfinder magnifications.  

Cutting-edge technology in a beautiful camera body

The top and base are made from die-cast aluminium alloy which, combined with high quality touches like precise engraving on the top-plate and hand-enamelled lettering on the lenses, underlines the fact that the entire X-Pro1 system is built without compromise.

This eye for detail extends to the shutter speed dial and exposure compensation control that is precision milled from solid metal. Details like the shutter speed dial lock mechanism and the recessed exposure compensation dial are designed to prevent accidental movement of settings. The knurled finish on the sides of the dials feature rows of minutely milled squared pyramids for superb grip and confidence.

“Made in Japan” confirms that every part of the construction has had to meet FUJIFILM’s highest standards. The lightweight, precision-milled lens hood (included with the lens) has been exclusively designed and machined from aluminium for the FUJINON XF lens. Its compact size delivers superb light shading performance in a design that perfectly matches X-Pro1 styling.

Diameters of the aperture ring and focus ring of the 3 Fujinon XF-series interchangeable lenses are only slightly larger than the barrel for sleek uniformity of design. Precision machined from metal, the reassuring click of the aperture ring at each setting and the comfortable torque resistance when operating the focus ring enhances the shooting experience.

The X-Pro1’s leather-like finish designed for a quality look and durability. The synthetic leather offers resistance to the elements and high durability, while an original manufacturing process produces a texture with the look and feel of authentic leather.

The X-Pro1 has been designed with the photographer’s comfort in mind. The natural fit of the eyepiece provides excellent shielding from light leakage. A dioptric adjustment lens can also be attached.

Extending FUJIFILM’s photo film legacy

In film cameras, multiple exposures is the unique photographic technique of superimposing one image on another by double exposing a single frame of film. Through advanced digital processing the X-Pro1 can simulate this technique - just select Multiple Exposure mode and take your first shot. By viewing it in the Hybrid Multi Viewfinder or on the LCD screen, you can see how the finished multiple exposure will look and precisely frame the second shot.

Further enhancements have been made to the Film Simulation modes with the new Professional Colour Negative Film Modes (Pro Neg. Std and Pro Neg. Hi) designed for X-Pro1 users working in the studio. If you’d like to shoot the same scene in a variety of Film Simulation modes, the X-Pro1 offers Film Simulation bracketing, along with AE, Dynamic and ISO bracketing.

FUJIFILM has also included Film Simulation modes, where the X-Pro1 simulates the colours and tonal qualities of popular FUJIFILM emulsions. These include the vibrant colours of Velvia, the softer skin tones of ASTIA and the natural look of PROVIA.

Enhance Monochrome Expression with Colour Filters - Replicating the effects of monochrome film photography the X-Pro1 lets you use colour filters to expand your photographic interpretation. Heighten contrast with the yellow filter and red filter or brighten greens and deepen reds with the green filter. Just as professional film photographers once selected a filter and printing paper to complement their creative vision, you can easily fine tune image quality with these filters. For those after a more nostalgic theme there’s a sepia filter too.

Premium Accessory Lineup

Hand Grip, HG-XPro1 (sold separately) - Giving you more secure and balanced handling of the camera, the X-Pro1 accessory grip smoothly moulds to the lines of the camera body for a uniform look. The grip helps balance the weight of the camera body, allowing for a more comfortable hold.

Shoe Mount Flash EF-X20 (sold separately) - Being designed to match X-Pro1’s distinctive styling. One dial lets you choose between two modes: AUTO - automatically optimizes flash for both outdoor daylight and dark indoor shots; MANUAL - for hands-on control. In addition, the built-in flash diffuser has an easy one-touch operation to soften harsh flash effects.

Leather Case LC-XPro1 (sold separately)* - Beautifully moulded to protect the X-Pro1, leather case is designed to allow fast access for easy shooting. Attention has been given to every detail, from the colour and spacing of the stitches to the adoption of a hidden magnet rather than a snap for closing the case. The premium case is completed by the inclusion of the authentic leather neck-strap and hood case.

Protector Filterφ39mm and Protector Filterφ52mm - This is a protection filter with high transmissivity without affecting the visible light. The Super EBC (Electron Beam Coating) of these would control harmful borrowed light effectively. The frame of filter given the semi-gloss black coating fits a high sense design. Or the inner side of filter given the matt black coating restrains a reflection effect and does design well.

*Case not suitable for FUJINON XF60mm lens

Fujifilm X-Pro1 Specifications

Body type
Body typeRangefinder-style mirrorless
Sensor
Max resolution4896 x 3264
Other resolutions4896x2760,264 × 3264, 3456x2304, 3456x1944, 2304 × 230, 2496x1664, 2496x1408 , 1664 × 1664
Image ratio w:h1:1, 3:2, 16:9
Effective pixels16 megapixels
Sensor sizeAPS-C (23.6 x 15.6 mm)
Sensor typeCMOS
ProcessorEXR Pro
Color filter arrayPrimary colour filter
Image
ISOAuto (400), Auto (800), Auto (1600), Auto (3200), 200, 250, 320, 400, 500, 640, 800, 1000, 1250, 1600, 2000, 2500, 3200, 4000, 5000, 6400 (100, 12800, 25600 with boost)
White balance presets7
Custom white balanceYes (1)
Image stabilizationNo
Uncompressed formatRAW
JPEG quality levelsFine, Normal
File format
  • JPEG (Exif 2.3),
  • RAW (RAF format)
  • RAW+JPEG
Optics & Focus
Autofocus
  • Contrast Detect (sensor)
  • Multi-area
  • Center
  • Single
  • Continuous
  • Live View
Autofocus assist lampYes
Digital zoomNo
Manual focusYes
Lens mountFujifilm X
Focal length multiplier1.5×
Screen / viewfinder
Articulated LCDFixed
Screen size3
Screen dots1,230,000
Touch screenNo
Screen typeTFT color LCD monitor
Live viewYes
Viewfinder typeElectronic and Optical (tunnel)
Viewfinder coverage100%
Viewfinder magnification0.37×
Photography features
Minimum shutter speed30 sec
Maximum shutter speed1/4000 sec
Exposure modes
  • Program AE
  • Shutter priority
  • Aperture priority
  • Manual exposure
Built-in flashNo
External flashYes (via hot-shoe with EF-20, EF-42, EF-X20)
Flash modesAuto, On, Off, Red-Eye, Slow Sync, Rear-curtain
Flash X sync speed1/180 sec
Drive modes
  • Single
  • Continuous
  • Self-timer
Continuous drive6 fps
Self-timerYes (2 or 10 sec)
Metering modes
  • Multi
  • Average
  • Spot
Exposure compensation±2 (at 1/3 EV steps)
AE Bracketing (at 1/3 EV, 2/3 EV, 1 EV steps)
WB BracketingNo
Videography features
Resolutions1920 x 1080 (24 fps), 1280 x 720 (24 fps)
FormatH.264
MicrophoneStereo
SpeakerMono
Storage
Storage typesSD/SDHC/SDXC
Connectivity
USB USB 2.0 (480 Mbit/sec)
HDMIYes (Mini connector)
Physical
Environmentally sealedNo
BatteryBattery Pack
Battery descriptionLithium-Ion NP-W126 rechargeable battery & charger
Battery Life (CIPA)300
Weight (inc. batteries)450 g (0.99 lb / 15.87 oz)
Dimensions140 x 82 x 43 mm (5.51 x 3.23 x 1.69)
Other features
Orientation sensorYes
Timelapse recordingNo
GPSNone

Additional images

The X-Pro1's new Quick Menu Optional EP-X20 flash unit
X1-Pro with XF 60mm F2.4 R Macro and hood Optional handgrip

Images from CES Press Conference

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Comments

Total comments: 389
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tiberiousgracchus
By tiberiousgracchus (Jan 10, 2012)

Looks lovely. They are targeting Leica users / wannabe Leica users. Waiting for Full review

4 upvotes
kff
By kff (Jan 10, 2012)

a very interesting, but only USB 2.0,
it doesn't have wi-fi, BT4 ... this is a mistake !!!

but a good direction ...

Comment edited 2 times, last edit 2 minutes after posting
0 upvotes
Marty4650
By Marty4650 (Jan 10, 2012)

$1700? Body only?

They have to be kidding.

If the object was to make the Sony NEX7 look like a bargain, then Fuji has succeeded.

5 upvotes
dmstraton
By dmstraton (Jan 10, 2012)

With three primes at $650 each, all metal, and of fairly small size. Probably of excellent quality. Add the new Zeiss prime to the NEX7, assuming that's a fair comparison prime=prime. How different is the price now?

0 upvotes
kadarpik
By kadarpik (Jan 10, 2012)

Ok lets wait IQ tests, if those are similar to 5DII the price is reasonable, if not then you are right. No moire, no AA filter either, lets see. Of course it must have fast AF for this price if they do not want to be marginal company like Leica.

0 upvotes
ajacona
By ajacona (Jan 11, 2012)

So leica charging $7000 for it's M9 body must be reasonable then? When you spend $4000-$6000 on a prime lens then a body for $1700 is cheap

0 upvotes
Charlie Jin
By Charlie Jin (Jan 10, 2012)

Without pancake lens, I will just use my normal DSLR's. It doesn't make sense to mount a big DSLR's lens on a smaller/thinner body. Probably Pentax's DSLRs with its pancake lens should be smaller in overall size than these (including the Sony's).

3 upvotes
Jens_G
By Jens_G (Jan 10, 2012)

No 24mm prime. No Focus peaking.

1 upvote
ksgant
By ksgant (Jan 10, 2012)

No 24mm prime..yet. At least just at launch. We don't know what other lenses they are working on.

As far as focus peaking, we don't know how they're going to address manual focusing yet. At least I didn't read that in the preview. The lenses all have those big focus-rings on them, that can't just be for show.

0 upvotes
Atarandas
By Atarandas (Jan 10, 2012)

I think those rings on the lens are wired operated , the mf speed remains to be tested

0 upvotes
Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Jan 10, 2012)

No witness markings (distance markings) on the focus rings, bit of a letdown. How do you know where infinity is, for example?

0 upvotes
Kriwoel
By Kriwoel (Jan 11, 2012)

You got DOF and distance indicator on the viewfinder, but seems no precision MF aid, maybe only trough LCD aka live-view magnification only

0 upvotes
arri120fps
By arri120fps (Jan 10, 2012)

The look reminds me of the Hexar RF.

0 upvotes
raizans
By raizans (Jan 10, 2012)

I don't really see much resemblance. The Hexar RF looks svelte and refined, but the X-Pro1 is a hodge-podge of design touches from a bunch of different cameras:

The viewfinder's outermost edge is from the M9 Titanium.
The grip is a blend of the Hasselblad Xpan/Fujifilm TX and Olympus E-P(x).
The viewfinder mode lever looks like the self-timer from the Rollei XF 35.
The sloping control deck basically comes from the Olympus Pen F.
The AF mode switch is like a backwards version of the meter mode switch on the Rolleiflex Hy6.

The lines and contours of the components clash - they don't flow. Such a disappointment!

0 upvotes
codycobb
By codycobb (Jan 10, 2012)

Just came across these photos shot with the X-Pro1 on Flickr:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/26706225@N08/tags/xpro1/

They aren't full resolution, so it's hard to tell how this thing handles detail but I thought I'd pass it along. Excited to see the full review for this thing.

0 upvotes
Sebit
By Sebit (Jan 10, 2012)

Thanks for sharing. These are nice in colour and detail, especially that they don't allow for pixel peeping ;)

0 upvotes
Coguar
By Coguar (Jan 12, 2012)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gzREBGKUFI

0 upvotes
Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Jan 10, 2012)

Just what the world has been anxiously awaiting: YET ANOTHER PROPRIETARY LENS MOUNT!!!!

Yes, so for we only have something like 318 different lens mount types, right? Thank you, Fuji, and kudos to you for introducing the Fujifilm X-mount. Making it the 319th. We can all sleep better now.

0 upvotes
Richard Butler
By Richard Butler (Jan 10, 2012)

And what other choice did they have? The nature of all the other lens mounts being proprietary is that other manufacturers can't just use them.

Comment edited 1 minute after posting
9 upvotes
ksgant
By ksgant (Jan 10, 2012)

Yes, seriously, what lens mount should they have gone with? It doesn't look like they have other interchangeable lens-mount cameras they could use.

Canon's? Nikon's mount? The manual-focus-only M-mount?

0 upvotes
increments
By increments (Jan 10, 2012)

They used to use the F mount, but I agree that a proprietary mount makes sense here.

0 upvotes
Izu
By Izu (Jan 10, 2012)

There is an open standard called Four Thirds / Micro Four Thirds here in my country... isn't available in yours?

2 upvotes
ksgant
By ksgant (Jan 10, 2012)

That's great about Four Thirds and Micro Four Thirds and all. But of course you realize that it wouldn't work at all for a APS-C sized sensor which is larger than a 4/3rd's size camera.

I mean, Fuji themselves may be able to make their lenses with that mount and have the resulting image circle big enough to cover this particular camera. But then everyone who buys it will go "hey, I have this old 4/3rd lens here, let's slap it on...OMG! WTF!" then curse Fuji for making their camera have a 4/3rd mount without being an actual 4/3rd camera.

Just easier for everyone to make their own mount for this camera system.

Comment edited 47 seconds after posting
3 upvotes
steveh0607
By steveh0607 (Jan 10, 2012)

They need to use a proprietary mount because the new sensor permits a closer lens-to-sensor distance and because an AA filter isn't needed.

1 upvote
shaocaholica
By shaocaholica (Jan 10, 2012)

Is FT/mFT free to use? Also, it doesn't accommodate bigger sensors. Perhaps the question shouldn't be why they didn't use FT but why nobody has come up with a free to use mirrorless APS mount.

1 upvote
Richard Butler
By Richard Butler (Jan 10, 2012)

Four Thirds was an open standard, but it was a standard that was built around a differently sized sensor.

I've never seen or heard anything to suggest that Micro Four Thirds is open.

0 upvotes
increments
By increments (Jan 10, 2012)

But Fuji are/were a part of the m4/3 group though, no?

0 upvotes
VladSanchez
By VladSanchez (Jan 10, 2012)

Being a Fuji Film fan, this camera is an instant classic. Been waiting for them to evolve since the S3 to upgrade my system.

I guess the time has come!

Congratulations.

3 upvotes
AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (Jan 10, 2012)

What really catches my eye is the lack of an anti-aliasing filter. Engineers will tell you that removing the AA filter makes no difference. This is false. Depending on the amount of blurring your AA filter is doing, it makes a big difference. It's true that you will occasionally get artifacts but it doesn't happen often enough to make it worth the intentional blurring caused by the AA filter. If Fuji can keep the artifacts to a minimum, maybe, just maybe we could be seeing the end of these blurring filters.

2 upvotes
AmaturFotografer
By AmaturFotografer (Jan 10, 2012)

If there is no difference, why put it there? AA filter's purpose is to blur image slightly, to eliminate moire. That is what I've been told. Removing it does make a differenc

0 upvotes
steveh0607
By steveh0607 (Jan 10, 2012)

The new 6x6 filter array is said to eliminate moire so an AA filter isn't needed. This should give clearer, sharper images like the M9.

2 upvotes
Tlock
By Tlock (Jan 10, 2012)

I use a canon 7D with 5 lenses. Love it, but I've been waiting for this camera as a compliment. I want to upgrade from Canon G12, for simple street use, travel, personal fun. But the more I look at the new X-pro regarding size, cost, and the added complication of more lenses to carry and switch, the better I think the X-100 looks to me. Simple, small, and excellent image quality. Waiting was a good thing to confirm this. Anyone else see it this way?

2 upvotes
VladSanchez
By VladSanchez (Jan 10, 2012)

This camera is a pro camera, not a toy like the x10 or x100. I'm a film rangefinder (x700, x570) owner and this form factor is what Cartier-Bresson called being an extension of your body. I've never content with the use of the dials on digital. I always preferred the shutter speed dial and the aperture rings.

This camera and it's technology is love at first sight for me.

You might be a spoiled kid to consider this camera a 'streeter'. My x700 which is over 30 years old is suddenly 'cool' again. Only if I could buy a digital back for it.

=D

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2 upvotes
blechkiste
By blechkiste (Jan 10, 2012)

what is a film rangefinder (x700, x570)? Minolta had such cameras in the 80ies but those were not rangefinder cameras!?

0 upvotes
lolopasstrail
By lolopasstrail (Jan 10, 2012)

Hank Carter's Leica III f's (and earlier models) were smaller even than a Fuji X100, much svelter than this Big Mamou.

0 upvotes
sensibill
By sensibill (Jan 10, 2012)

No ardent fan of Sony, me (as many Sony folks here will attest), but placing the NEX in the 'low quality' side of this chart effectively subverts any credence in their presentation.

0 upvotes
Zvonimir Tosic
By Zvonimir Tosic (Jan 10, 2012)

It's puts the X-Pro within a context, and its general aim as a camera system. It doesn't mean Nex 7 is low quality in absolute terms, but in such a context Fuji wanted X-Pro 1 to rate higher than Nex 7 in quality of certain attributes.

1 upvote
Azher NZ
By Azher NZ (Jan 10, 2012)

I believe the Nex image is of a Nex-3 rather than the Nex-7, but my guess is they are trying to associate all Nex's with the same brush.

0 upvotes
hifiducati
By hifiducati (Jan 10, 2012)

Did anyone else notice that the produce shots were taken with a D3?

0 upvotes
Summit_pg
By Summit_pg (Jan 10, 2012)

This is cool and all, but honestly, why not fix the current cameras? Fuji has the X10 and the XS1 on the market right now and they are crippled by the white dot syndrome. Fuji has not done anything to fix it yet...

I will never buy another "new" Fuji camera. Apparently they do their quality control testing on actual consumers. Buyer beware.

12 upvotes
Najinsky
By Najinsky (Jan 10, 2012)

More expensively, it has an unquantifiable time bomb of X100s which could develop 'sticky' aperture blades at any time. Presumably many will now be passed into the 2nd user market, and so be excluded from warenty. I'll be giving Fuji a wide birth until their QC and customer support improves a notch. But I am still impressed by their innovations an IQ when things are working.

8 upvotes
Summit_pg
By Summit_pg (Jan 10, 2012)

Fuji needs to spend less time making things look pretty and more time making things work properly.

8 upvotes
Paul Farace
By Paul Farace (Jan 10, 2012)

I agree with MOST of what you say. What I don't agree is that they are NOT making things look pretty... they get close, but like my criticism of the X10, they should put a Fuji logo on the front face of this otherwise beautiful looking instrument. Just saying... Just glad we're going in the right direction. Man, am I gonna love buying this or its successor when they've been proven in the field and the bugs worked out.

1 upvote
D1N0
By D1N0 (Jan 10, 2012)

So Fuji can't bring out any new camera's until they fix your's? Thats it? Do you even own a Fuji or are you just bitching?

0 upvotes
dmstraton
By dmstraton (Jan 10, 2012)

I am sure they are trying. and will because they have to. Perhaps everyone has forgotten all the issues other cameras had with introductions, like the Canon 5DMkII with it's issue of specular highlights upon introduction and other issues, solved and unsolved ...it's now considered a classic breakthrough camera...and other cameras, with other issues like banding, etc. from virtually all manufacturers...they all do their QC on us, they test for what they can and go from there...welcome to digital.

1 upvote
ksievers
By ksievers (Jan 10, 2012)

Fabulous, absolutely fabulous, but dang it Fuji, why not put the sweet viewfinder on the x10. I have super high end gear already and don't want to carry around multiple lenses when I'm off.
That x10 would be perfect for my carry around, off duty needs if it just had that cool, hybrid viewfinder.

0 upvotes
keepreal
By keepreal (Jan 10, 2012)

The X-Pro1 is far too expensive for a second camera but might be an excellent first choice for some.

Forget compacts. I think my choice of a second camera two years ago was inspired and still is. My first camera is the heavy Nikon D300 with three heavy zoom lenses. I was not obliged to get another Nikon but I eventually decided upon the Nikon D5000 plus the Nikkor 18-55mm VR. The lens is surprisingly good.

● Slightly heavier and bulkier than the best compacts
● Close to or = best dynamic range of entry level DSLRs/compacts
● No excessive distortion when shooting RAW
● Pretty accurate viewfinder
● No struggling to keep steady away from body as with many compacts
● Saved a bundle compared with everything else

It would be great to have a quality camera with a large sensor but slightly smaller than the X-Pro1 and ideally still with an OVF (no hybrid EVF) and a down to earth price. I am not sure it will ever happen, so another two years on and probably I still will be glad of my D5000.

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0 upvotes
Chromost
By Chromost (Jan 10, 2012)

All you trolls out there who are hating on this new system. Fuji has made the best glass since the beginning. they even designed the hasselblad h system. " Fuji. The lenses for the H series are all designed and made by Fuji, but specified by Hasselblad. It's interesting to note as well that in Japan the H series cameras are sold as Fuji brand cameras, with no mention whatsoever of the name Hasselblad." Also, if you read the fine print on fuji website and look at the lens mount and lens system you might realize that they will be announcing a full frame sensor X with the next version.. That will blow canon and nikon out of the water.. Long live Fujinon "the GREAT" ps. i have owned two fuji 645film cameras and have used about 4 others.. always a pleasure.

4 upvotes
HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Jan 10, 2012)

No, Leica makes the best camera lenses. Not the fastest autofocus though.

Then comes Zeiss.

But Fuji makes very good lenses.

1 upvote
Fazal Majid
By Fazal Majid (Jan 10, 2012)

I have a Leica MP and M9 with the 50mm Summilux and 90mm APO-Summicron, two of Leica's sharpest optics, a Hasselblad 500C/M with the Zeiss Planar CF 100mm f/3.5, also one of Zeiss' finest, and a Fuji G617. The Fuji resolves well over 100 lp/mm near the edges of the humongous 6x17 negative.

No, Fuji doesn't have to blush from the comparison. There is a reason why Hasselblad went with them for the X-Pan and the H series optics.

7 upvotes
Paul Farace
By Paul Farace (Jan 10, 2012)

Yo... you troll dudes don't be HATIN on dis system! I am suprised that someone with such trunicated verbal skills has the photographic ability to offer comparitive accessments of lenses! -- Base line: no need to call your peers names, homie! Your ideas come across much better without it!

2 upvotes
Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Jan 10, 2012)

Troll alert at 12 o'clock!!!

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marike6
By marike6 (Jan 10, 2012)

Fujinon does make great lenses. When I used to shoot 4x5, the 2 Fujinon lenses I had were every bit as good as my Rodenstock lens.

And the X100 23 f2 lens is a heck of a performer, with beautiful bokeh.

Re: the X-Pro1 lenses, fast metal barrel lenses, with hopefully, EBC coating. What's not to like?

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Sosua
By Sosua (Jan 10, 2012)

Fuji... you are making me want this camera. A+ for marketing. And fortunately it appears an excellent product too. Good times indeed, fortunately I have 5 m mount lenses as well.

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Neil Morgan
By Neil Morgan (Jan 10, 2012)

Wow.
If they get the price right, then leica will have a real fight on their hands or it will create a lot of users they may go to leica as an upgrade. Either way this is what a lot of mirrorless users have been looking for, a leica style - japanese price.

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EchoCharlie
By EchoCharlie (Jan 10, 2012)

Looking great this cam. A minimalist dream. Wait for the full frame version of this cam. This will give Leica a good run for their money.

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T3
By T3 (Jan 10, 2012)

Some people are saying the pricing is too high, but in reality this is the poor-man's Leica M8 (even though it's not a true rangefinder). In that context, it's not too expensive. Plus, this is a boutique camera, not a mass-market camera.

Or, you can blame the public for the high price because everyone went ga-ga over Fuji's previous "rangefinder-styled" cameras. Any smart company is going to want to get the most money for their product. So they're going to make the most (or at least the most profit) of the photographic public's love affair with these retro-styled cameras.

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Fazal Majid
By Fazal Majid (Jan 10, 2012)

It's really more of the digital Contax G2. The price is due to build quality. The X-Pan wasn't cheap either, even in its Fuji TX incarnation.

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openskyline
By openskyline (Jan 10, 2012)

M8 can't hold the candle to this, it's 2008 technologies, old sensor, no features.

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GuardianFlash
By GuardianFlash (Jan 10, 2012)

FUJIFILM have developed a new CMOS sensor called the X-Trans CMOSTM. The X-Trans CMOSTM sensor is capable of delivering resolution that is parallel, if not superior, to a full frame sensor.

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lolopasstrail
By lolopasstrail (Jan 10, 2012)

I don't think the price is due to build quality.

A $200 Nikon P7000 has excellent build quality, I'm guessing even equivalent build quality. This new Fuji, though, appears to have much more expensive materials. However, the materials chosen for each suit their missions.

More expensive materials probably also translates (possibly) into more expensive finishing and assembly. This probably contributes to a higher price.

However, I'd guess that the target price of this has less to do with materials, and more to do with pure-d marketing. This is a premium price, and part of the positioning would be that it deserves a higher price, and the target audience is willing to pay it.

Note also that this is likely a niche product - $3500 and up for a 3-lens kit is not something most would pay. Thus, reduced sales volume could also justify a higher price.

Although for $3500 some might consider a used Mamiya 6 plus three lens kit...

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sj2
By sj2 (Jan 10, 2012)

Nice camera and would jump on it if I wasn't invested in Canon L lens. I was looking at Fuji's announcement to add a light weight camera to my kit. With XPro1, I probably could live with the weight (200 gms more than my Oly E-PM1) and size (after adding a EVF, the Oly E-PM1 sizes up the same) *BUT* for the price tag on this camera plus lens, I can buy two more nice L lens - 135mm L and 400mm L to be specific :)

But I am glad to see some good, high quality competition to Canon/Nikon. Unlike Sony NEX, Fuji's putting out good/fast lens and unlike Oly/Panny, the XPro1 is a complete camera with a great sensor and built-in EVF. Kudos to the Fuji team. Please please price it lower, pretty please! :)

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ljclark
By ljclark (Jan 10, 2012)

Too expensive? Wake up and smell the coffee.

The 35mm Summicron (f/2) ASPH is a reasonably priced Leica lens. Street price is about $3,000. If the X-Pro1 prices hold as published, the money for that Summicron would buy you an X-Pro-1 body and two lenses.

To tell you the truth, I was expecting the Fuji lenses to run up to $1,000 apiece, so this is looking very promising. (A Zeiss 35mm f/2 for Nikon or Canon SLR or Leica is going to run over $1,000.)

Comparisons with DSLRs? Maybe some people just don't "get" RF. That's OK.

I love shooting with my X100 and X10 -- and even more with my M8. I think the X-Pro1 has the potential to perform fine service, especially when I don't want to be carrying $10K to $13K of gear in my bag.

I'm looking forward to this camera, and I expect my local camera store already has me penciled in for one.

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whtchocla7e
By whtchocla7e (Jan 10, 2012)

No offense but the X-100 comes equipped with a lens that gives the same FOV at $1200. That's a lens + sensor for $1200.

This is what Fuji should base their pricing on. But instead they got carried away into the fantasy land.

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ljclark
By ljclark (Jan 10, 2012)

Nope.

Take away the glass from the X100 (and the strobe). Increase the price for the focal plane shutter, more sophisticated viewfinder, more complex build for the mount and communication, and higher cost sensor and processor.

Cost is getting closer. Beer money.

(And the FOVs of the x100 and X-Pro1 w/35mm are different.)

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PhotoTrevor
By PhotoTrevor (Jan 10, 2012)

I thank Fuji for paying attention to what real photographers want in a small camera. We don't want slow zooms, we don't want plastic. Basically we don't want a GX1. We like dials on the outside because we don't shoot in scene modes and like to make photographs. Overall this is a delightful street camera and depending on where the final prices lie I think an XPro1 and a 35 F1.4 would be perfect for the street.

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Edgar_in_Indy
By Edgar_in_Indy (Jan 10, 2012)

And apparently we don't want any image stabilization.

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danaceb
By danaceb (Jan 10, 2012)

if your lenses are neither ultra tele zooms and/or slow garbage there is no need for IS.

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garygraphy
By garygraphy (Jan 10, 2012)

Funny how my usual kit of 5d2+24L+50L doesnt have IS and yet that is all I live on.

This camera is perfect if they managed to improve AF (at least to NEX's standards). I am actually swearing off the new 5D(III?) if the AF is decent. A much more compact kit that I can shoot 28 and 50 FOV, and be able to mount my 50 lux? PERFECT

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Edgar_in_Indy
By Edgar_in_Indy (Jan 10, 2012)

The apologists (fanboyz) are coming out strong! Nice job Fuji!

The need for IS is based largely on shutter speed. It's true that you may not need it in most of the time in a fast, wide lens, but sometimes it will come in useful. If you're wanting to shoot a scene in low lighting, you may find yourself dragging out the shutter speed, in which case IS would be very useful. But I'm sure you must already know this.

But that aside, not all of the lenses released so far without IS are fast & wide. One of the lenses is a 60mm f2.4, and could certainly benefit from IS.

And further, there will be people mounting other non-IS lenses onto this camera via adapters. Some of those lenses will be long, and IS will be missed.

The point is, Fuji could have and should have put IS on the sensor, and none of this would have been an issue. But like Canon and Nikon, they want to dangle IS out there as a carrot for new lens purchases.

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diforbes
By diforbes (Jan 10, 2012)

I haven't read through all of the comments here so I apologize in advance if my comment has already been voiced: I find the focal lengths of the 18mm and 35mm lens to be odd given the actual field of view of 27mm and 53mm respectively. The "wide angle" lens is not all that wide and the "normal" lens is not ideal for street shooting. I would have liked to see a fixed 24mm and 35mm (at 35mm equivalent focal lengths). Why didn't Fuji offer a version of the 23mm on the X100? Ideally, a fast zoom of 24-70 f2.8 would be great.

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Fazal Majid
By Fazal Majid (Jan 10, 2012)

It's a matter of personal taste. I sold my Canon 35mm f/1.4L and my Leica 35mm Summilux-M ASPH because they were gathering dust, and much prefer the 50mm-e focal length.

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dmstraton
By dmstraton (Jan 10, 2012)

Give them time, at least they focused on their target: 3 primes at launch? Who does that anymore? Someone who is targeting a very specific type of photographer with a specific type of photography. In this case, I think they hit the target. I shoot only with primes, and very rarely telephoto.

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rude
By rude (Jan 10, 2012)

hope it didnt inherit the white orb/disk problem. r

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fish_shooter
By fish_shooter (Jan 10, 2012)

Weather-sealing?

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Photomonkey
By Photomonkey (Jan 10, 2012)

Looks great on paper. But let us wait and see what a real camera in real situations does.

I can always expect a sizable whining contingent here complaining that "the price is too high"

We all know that all the manufacturers COULD sell us Hyper tech cameras with every feature short of time travel for $10 each but they are greedy and/or stupid.

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NoDal
By NoDal (Jan 10, 2012)

The price is high, but it seems like they're pursuing an Apple-like strategy: affordable luxury pricing for a premium product resulting in robust profits in spite of a small marketshare.

I jumped on board early with the X100, but will probably take longer for this one. The X100 is great camera in many ways, but way too quirky in others.

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DioCanon
By DioCanon (Jan 10, 2012)

FANTASTIC ! FANTASTIC!

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Johan Borg
By Johan Borg (Jan 10, 2012)

Ooops I have to get one now that Fuji ships a camera with the exact filter array I came up with on my own last year :)

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1000&message=38889859

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Mssimo
By Mssimo (Jan 10, 2012)

I guess camera manufactures do read forums.

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Usee
By Usee (Jan 10, 2012)

Well,

I'll call it from now on "Borg pattern" sensor...

...no matter, if they were earlier than You,
but You were the first, who mentioned that sort of filter array - as far, as I know.

But maybe You are just "connected" with someone else... ;-)

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OneGuy
By OneGuy (Jan 10, 2012)

If Fuji took your design then they should not be able to patent it (it's in a public domain).

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Raymond Wardenaer
By Raymond Wardenaer (Jan 9, 2012)

See more about the camera here:
http://fujifilm-x.com/x-pro1/en/index.html

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Visualiza
By Visualiza (Jan 9, 2012)

Image samples are nice and crisp. The high ISO macro shot looks to have a rather unconventional noise pattern; however, nothing objectionable and certainly at least as good as the top APS-C cameras available. I will of course wait for detailed reviews and testimonials...but this may be the compact system solution I've been waiting for. Time will tell.

The lack of an AA filter seems to be of great benefit also. The first thing I noticed is that objects in the distance retain at least a recognizable degree of detail. Not so with my cams, I'm tired of taking landscape photos where leaves, shrubbery, and finer objects turn to mush. If this cam is everything we all hope it will be...when Fuji goes FF they're gonna annihilate the market.

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dmstraton
By dmstraton (Jan 10, 2012)

I don't think they'll go full frame and introduce another lens mount. If they think they have quality that rivals full-frame or close to it with their sensor, the only thing they have to mitigate is the shallow depth of field freaks - which they could do with faster glass and not too much bulk based on what I see.

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steveh0607
By steveh0607 (Jan 10, 2012)

If they go larger it might be medium format to give them very different product lines.

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whtchocla7e
By whtchocla7e (Jan 9, 2012)

This camera could cost $5000 for body-only and I'd still buy it.
As long as it looks better than it performs.
I admit I fall for marketing hype rather easily but who can fault me?

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Mssimo
By Mssimo (Jan 10, 2012)

Remember the Epson RD-1 i think it was called. People loved that camera. I think it was $2500+

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jedinstvo
By jedinstvo (Jan 10, 2012)

"As long as it looks better than it performs." - I'm the same way with women. I know she's the wrong one, but I can't help myself.

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GreenmanToo
By GreenmanToo (Jan 10, 2012)

Absolutely....and it reminds me of my Bessa R3a too. It's certainly better looking than the new Canon.

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OneGuy
By OneGuy (Jan 10, 2012)

Paul McCartney just got a divorce. His X might look very good around your neck.

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LJohnK2
By LJohnK2 (Jan 9, 2012)

$ 1700 for the body and $ 650 for a lens....so lets see you could buy 3 Nikon D5100's kits, almost 2 - D7000 kits, say 4 - mirror-less kits or even an Olympus E-5 with a 14-54......so is this a concept camera or are they thinking someone will buy this ?

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locke_fc
By locke_fc (Jan 9, 2012)

What? This is supposed to be a premium, high-end camera, and priced accordingly. It is pointless to say how many D5100 or D7000 kits you could buy for the money.

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Clint Dunn
By Clint Dunn (Jan 10, 2012)

LJohnK2 your argument is non-sensical. Can you not see that the target audience for this camera is the Leica folk??? This thing is a bargain.

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LJohnK2
By LJohnK2 (Jan 10, 2012)

..yes.... you are correct my comparators are not in the same league as this offering...but really put a "premium label" on what is essentially an APS-C offering and triple the price over other mirrorless and APS-C options .....I just don't get it....do "Leica folk" like to overpay or is the name just that magical ?

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Velu
By Velu (Jan 10, 2012)

If you dont get it, then never mind ... it's obvious not a camera for you. Better stick to D5100's en 7000's.

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Fazal Majid
By Fazal Majid (Jan 10, 2012)

You can buy two Toyota Corollas for the price of a BMW 5 series, and they will be more reliable to boot. Yet the BMWs sell...

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asdfsky
By asdfsky (Jan 10, 2012)

if you can't afford it, this camera is not for you my friend :)

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Raist3d
By Raist3d (Jan 10, 2012)

It will most likely have better IQ than the E-5, so not sure why you even bring that up. Form factor, primes, unique view finder... those things cost cash. Fast apparently high quality primes. Lenses are not cheap either.

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NineFace
By NineFace (Jan 9, 2012)

omg now I can't wait to see what is Canon going to offer us!

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asdfsky
By asdfsky (Jan 10, 2012)

Canon is done with their G1X, bad move from Canon when they should have gone all in.

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NineFace
By NineFace (Jan 10, 2012)

Are you sure they not going to do mirrorless? I thought G1X is their compact line?

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nobile
By nobile (Jan 9, 2012)

Sounds good. But the price is a big shocker!!!!
I'm not interested.

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Faintandfuzzy
By Faintandfuzzy (Jan 9, 2012)

Hmmmm, I high end APS-C rangefinder styled camera system.....were you expecting it to be the same price as a plastic Canon Rebel?

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NineFace
By NineFace (Jan 9, 2012)

it's just a rangefinder styled not a true rangefinder, so to me it's just the same with other mirrorless cameras.

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sesopenko
By sesopenko (Jan 9, 2012)

Faintandfuzzy: rangefinder STYLED.

There's no real rangefinder on here to justify the high price tag. Manufacturers are going to EVF's because they're cheaper than mirror boxes combined with optical TTL finders. So saying that this camera has a big price is a perfectly justified criticism.

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Zvonimir Tosic
By Zvonimir Tosic (Jan 10, 2012)

"So saying that this camera has a big price is a perfectly justified criticism."

It's not a criticism if the statement is based on plethora of deliberately ignored facts and no known comparison. It doesn't even qualify as an ignorant assertion. It's just nonsense.

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Raist3d
By Raist3d (Jan 10, 2012)

Completely agree with Zvonimir here. Most people I see complaining about the price are doing so with knee jerk reactions and even try to compare vs other cameras around without taking into account *anything* this camera brings to the table.

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Raist3d
By Raist3d (Jan 10, 2012)

@Nineface "it's just the same with other mirrorless cameras."

That's ridiculous. With a brand new promising sensor and unique view finder how on Earth was this supposed to cost the same. Seems like people want something for nothing.

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sesopenko
By sesopenko (Jan 9, 2012)

Have a look at the sample shots floating around. They completely lack the ability to define fine texture, just like the X10 did. Fuji needs to give up on these experiments with sensor patterns because they're making crap cameras at expensive prices to do so.

I would never pay this price for something that resolves so poorly. Real shame.

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Faintandfuzzy
By Faintandfuzzy (Jan 9, 2012)

Really?

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locke_fc
By locke_fc (Jan 9, 2012)

What sample shots?

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cassano
By cassano (Jan 9, 2012)

what "fine texture" are you looking at? The waterfall photo shows MASSIVE detail on my 24" monitor...

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HBowman
By HBowman (Jan 9, 2012)

I agree. Even a Dp2 is more sharp and clear.

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sesopenko
By sesopenko (Jan 9, 2012)

These are the sample shots from fuji's website.

http://www.fujifilm.com/products/digital_cameras/x/fujifilm_x_pro1/sample_images/

Funny you mentioned the DP2, HBowman. I used to own a DP1 and I think the example shots from this camera look a lot like DP1 shots uprezzed with perfect resize: interpolated. Real shame.

And Cassano it may look nice downscaled to ~1200 pixels wide on your monitor but look at the full-rez image. It looks like mud and that kind of definition will print like mud.

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DioCanon
By DioCanon (Jan 10, 2012)

Sesopenko is right, it just doesnt look crisp & clean but said that is the same as a RAW file from my 16-35 f2.8L on my 60D.

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marike6
By marike6 (Jan 10, 2012)

@sesopenko What they? The X10 does not equal the X100. The X100 has one of the best, cleanest ASP-C sensors there is. And if you look at the still life of the pears on the samples, you'll see that this camera will produce the same highly detailed, super clean files as the X100. You have the right to think they make "crap cameras", just as X100 owners have the right to tell you you're clueless. No offense. And I guess "expensive" is a relative term, because to me, Fuji has some of the best prices in photography. And X100 outshoots a Leica X1 at half the price. That's what I call a bargain.

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Zvonimir Tosic
By Zvonimir Tosic (Jan 10, 2012)

" They completely lack the ability to define fine texture, just like the X10 did."

Can you qualify that what you say? You base your experience with the photograph on what comparison? Just on itself? How do you know what are looking for? Has the same scene been taken with two different cameras for you to compare?

Or, all you have to say is just for the sake of saying something?

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Raist3d
By Raist3d (Jan 10, 2012)

@Sesopenko - the waterfall shots has a LOT of detail. I dont' think you are making a fair assessment. The JPEG engine color though seems phenomenally good.

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Kriwoel
By Kriwoel (Jan 10, 2012)

Sample images look soft like haze, lot of details but lack of razor sharp edges. Maybe something wrong with their lens or .jpeg processing. Maybe RAW format will show better images. This kind of camera+ lenses are good only for potrait. :-( maybe using different lenses, Nikkor or Leica-M will make the best possible from the X-Pro1

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Francis Sawyer
By Francis Sawyer (Jan 9, 2012)

No intervalometer? Come on, that's just inexcusable at this point.

Not significantly smaller than an SLR. Tripod socket is not aligned with the lens, so panoramas are a problem.

It looks cool and solidly constructed, but this thing is lacking.

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Lisa O
By Lisa O (Jan 9, 2012)

Sounds great! As an X100 and X10 owner I can't wait to get one to use with the new fuji lenses as well as some Leica M lenses. Fuji has really gone to the hearts of what photo enthusiasts and pro photographers really want, a small light camera with good glass and manual dials. I just hope the lens hoods come with the lenses, as I have already spent over $150 on the two hoods for my X100 and X10, I don't want to spend another $500 for these three.

Why are people comparing this to Leica in term of pricing? Leica M lenses start at $1500 and go up to over $10000 and an M9 is $6999 and an M9P is $7999. This whole kit is less than $4000.

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mefty
By mefty (Jan 9, 2012)

Nice, stylish camera but much too expensive!
Nex7 unfourtnatly seems more attractive to me!
I would have love this camera but the price...???
Come on??

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Francis Sawyer
By Francis Sawyer (Jan 9, 2012)

TOO expensive. T, O, O.

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mefty
By mefty (Jan 9, 2012)

so what I forgot an o?
Any other problems dear Francis?

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d3xmeister
By d3xmeister (Jan 9, 2012)

Is it just my monitor or do I see very strong posterization in the first fuji image sample, the one at night. An I also see moire in the second sample

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sesopenko
By sesopenko (Jan 9, 2012)

There's also a strange noise pattern happening in the example image with the books. Overall they lack the ability to define fine texture, too.

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locke_fc
By locke_fc (Jan 9, 2012)

At this stage, I'd have thought we'd all know better than judging a still to be released camera on the basis of a bunch of samples shot on pre-production bodies and firmware, even if the samples are provided by the manufacturer.

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OneGuy
By OneGuy (Jan 10, 2012)

I got some pre-production funny money. That's good enough for Fuji.

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Snaaks
By Snaaks (Jan 9, 2012)

east-german design ?

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glacierpete
By glacierpete (Jan 9, 2012)

To expensive and to big. It hink it is not a good idea to copy Leica price wise, just because the body is Leica M shaped. Fuji's medium format rangefinder cameras where placed more reasonably, including my Texas Leica, Fuji GSW690.

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Francis Sawyer
By Francis Sawyer (Jan 9, 2012)

"To expensive and to big."

TOO expensive and TOO big. T, O, O. How hard is it to spell "too"?

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tee1000
By tee1000 (Jan 9, 2012)

Not everyone here is native English/American. So cool down.

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sesopenko
By sesopenko (Jan 9, 2012)

This isn't at a $7000 leica price point so that comparison doesn't have a whole lot of merit. Also did you buy your GSW690 used or new? In 1978 when the GSW690 came out it was the equivalent of $1866 USD, which when adjusted for inflation comes to $6166. So youre GSW690 is no poor man's leica. It's only cheap now because it's almost 30 years old.

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glacierpete
By glacierpete (Jan 10, 2012)

I got mine about 18 years ago. It was in the $1200 range new when I recall right. Great 6x9 cm fuji velvia negs :)

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kwojdyna
By kwojdyna (Jan 9, 2012)

And one more thing - I am personally not a Canon lover - always had problems with frequent underexposing regardless if used film (EOS 50E, EOS 3) or digital camera (EOS 40D, EOS 5D) and that is why I switched to Pentax K-5 and to Nikon D700 later. But:

1. I could use my old analogue-era Canon flash with new digital DSLR's,
2. The same with ALL lenses
3. Now, If I'd like, I could use the same lenses with motion picture cameras,
4. Flash works with compacts and with the introduction this large sensor compact
Canon PowerShot G1X gives me bigger sensor than Panasonic/Olympus m4/3 in compact body and still can probably use my old flash!

Now look at the other systems - Nikons do not autofocus in basic bodies, do not measure lights through non-AI lenses, only new flashes work. Sony NEX3/5 do not accept Sony Alpha flash. The same with Samsung - my expensive Samsung GX flash is useless with NX. Others ?Fuji? also cannot say the have ANY system compared to Canon. This is why they are leaders.

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Francis Sawyer
By Francis Sawyer (Jan 9, 2012)

If you're talking about flash pictures, Canons are notorious for under-exposing them.

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kwojdyna
By kwojdyna (Jan 9, 2012)

I am talking about all kind of Canon shots, but indeed - flash pictures from EOS sucked. This is amazing, but regardless using a build-in or largest external (I had 2 pieces 550's) they shoots were bad too often. My wife had Nikon F80 film camera that time with build-in-flash only - all exposures perfect :)

But I meant non-flash too. The under-exposing was not big in Canon, but noticeable comparing to anything else (Nikon, Minolta, Sony, Pentax, Yashica!!!). The most bugging and noticeable is the look of sky - I used Practica followed by Yashica - tons of good exposures. Then switched to EOS - pale or white sky became a frequent guset on my slides. Then I thought digital would not have this problem - it is lesser indeed, but visible. Especially after I swithed to digital Pentax and Nikon lately. My wife has Samsung NX - absolutely Canon has (and always had) problems with frequent underexposing and even bigger with flash shots.

But the system-orientation of EOS is best (and so is AF)

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Sebit
By Sebit (Jan 10, 2012)

White or pale skies seem to be a sign of over-, not underexposure? Every system seems to have it's own idea of a perfect shot when it comes to exposure, but it's easily fixable. It's more of a problem with digital, same as with slides, negatives were (are...) much more forgiving.

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kwojdyna
By kwojdyna (Jan 10, 2012)

Yes, but in few words only I could not describe the whole thing. When you take film and underexpose it, you take it to the lab to get prints and if they see it "milky" and "grainy", usually correct those, but as a side result the sky gets pale or white. Every watcher, not only photographer, easily points it out everytime I show my pictures to. It is only 1/3 - 1 EV difference now in digi-EOS, but was more than that in analogs. And you do not see it while try to measure in studio - then Canon, Nikon, Pentax etc. shows the same values. The difference starts when taken outside and try to shoot real world...

Maybe so - but Nikon, Sony, Pentax, Samsung etc. must have similar ideas how to measure, and Canon must have different. But I rather having sky blue than white as long I saw it blue through the viewfinder since I had my DDR-made Practica.

Pozdrawiam, gdzie dwóch Polaków, tam trzy zdania :) Dobranoc, kładę się...

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Bob from Plymouth
By Bob from Plymouth (Jan 10, 2012)

The rangefinder style and high quality build is very clever marketing by Fuji. It's like the camera many of us wanted in the past but could never afford.

The price is high but this is the premium end of the market and a beautifully built piece of kit like this will be attractive to many photographers. Particularly those who think twice about lugging heavy DSLR kit everywhere. The Fujifilm X-Pro1 will be no worse to carry than my old Pentax K1000 was.

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slaughtr
By slaughtr (Jan 9, 2012)

As the owner of a Canon 7D, a Sony NEX 5 and a Fujifilm X100, I can honestly say I get the most fun shooting and the best color reproduction when I use the X100. I still need the 7D for numerous reasons, but I'm excited as hell to sell the Sony for the X-Pro 1. An X-100 with interchangeble lenses is a dream. The X-Pro 1 should be even better.

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sesopenko
By sesopenko (Jan 9, 2012)

The x100 has a traditional bayer pattern sensor, though, so I'd agree it should be capable of taking good pictures.

I owned an X10 for a while which has an experimental sensor (not unlike the Xpro-1) and it's pictures looked like crap.

So hold on to your gear until you see what the pictures look like from this untested sensor design. Already, judging from the sample shots provided by fuji, they lack the ability to define texture which was the problem I had with the X10.

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Asylum Photo
By Asylum Photo (Jan 10, 2012)

To be fair, the X10 had a tiny sensor.

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persiyan
By persiyan (Jan 10, 2012)

I have to agree with sesopenko, the sample images don't impress me a whole lot on sharpness and detail. I can get sharper images with my X100, especially at those apertures.

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Clyde Atkinson
By Clyde Atkinson (Jan 10, 2012)

Fuji's early pre-production sample pics from almost all of their cameras the last ten years have looked awful (including the S1, S2, S3, and S5 Pro series). The good examples happen when the camera starts getting in the hands of photographers outside of Fuji. I don't understand why this is so, but I've seen it time and time again the last 10 years. One other thing, at 100% on a monitor does not do their pictures justice, but do a 8"x10" print on a quality photo printer and then decide how they look.

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Solarcoaster
By Solarcoaster (Jan 9, 2012)

This could have been a great camera if they had made it more like the NEX - you know, PASM modes, reasonable autofocus, etc. This is a totally manual operation camera, and that makes it extremely limiting.

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cyainparadise
By cyainparadise (Jan 9, 2012)

It's too bad that you're spoiled by all the auto features found on most cameras. And it's a good thing that you weren't around back when cameras were totally manual, as you wouldn't be able to use a camera. My first camera was a Minolta Hi-Matic 7s, which had auto-metering, and little else. I took many great pictures with it, so a camera like the X-Pro 1 is a camera I could live with. I take it, you never turn your auto features off, never manual focus, etc.

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Roland Karlsson
By Roland Karlsson (Jan 9, 2012)

Its not a totally manual camera. It has PASM mode. You just set it otherwise.

# Only Time=A -> S
# Only Aperture=A -> A
# Both = A -> P
# Neither = A -> M

Thats the old and fully functional way of getting exactly the same functionality.

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Solarcoaster
By Solarcoaster (Jan 10, 2012)

cyain you couldn't be more wrong if you tried. No matter how much you try to spin it, those automatic features facilitate speed of operation and ease of use for anyone, no matter how skilled a photographer they are. The fact that this camera lacks those basic functions makes it extremely limiting - you cannot deny it. The fact that it may be "good enough" for you, doesn't mean it's objectively satisfactory based on the demands of the market. What you also don't seem to understand is that it's actually possible to use both automatic and manual modes. It's extremely childish of you to claim that someone who appreciates automatic features cannot also appreciate manual operation. I'm disappointed in your perspective of photographic technology, which is as limited as this camera.

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persiyan
By persiyan (Jan 10, 2012)

I'm not sure what you're talking about? You can set aperture to auto, you can set shutter speed to auto, you can set ISO to auto. The camera can be completely automatic. Go read the X100 review for a more in depth of the features of this camera.

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garygraphy
By garygraphy (Jan 10, 2012)

Yup - I shoot my X100 with Shutter and ISO on auto... Only the aperture is defined. Not sure where you are getting this camera is only full manual. You are right on the AF being abnormally bad on the X100 (albeit in low light).

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cyainparadise
By cyainparadise (Jan 10, 2012)

Solarcoaster, I'm not one who speed shoots. I take my time to compose my shot. Just because you're not comfortable manual focusing, doesn't mean that there are many photographers who are. Take a look at the Sony NEX forum. You'll see many, many posts from people who have used non-AF, lenses there. They have mounted all kinds of lenses and used the camera in stop down mode. You'd probably knock Adam Ansel for using a camera that wasn't auto-everything, and wondered how he could take such great photos. Photographers who had to manually adjust their cameras have been around longer than those who use AF cameras.

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kwojdyna
By kwojdyna (Jan 9, 2012)

Dear DPReview and readers,
as I can see there's a strong accent to convince us that this camera is worth it's money because it is "cutting edge etc.". No - it is a way overpriced - as Leica, though it offers maybe something more that we do not know yet.

For that price I could get another D700, which gives so far the best results on the market (except of landscape photography). I've tried Pentax K-5, to which I switched from various EOSes I've owned. I've tried Sony's FF also - still D700 is unbeatable, (unless You take D3S). All these cameras are DSLRs with good or great functionality and so the picture quality though...

I do not doubt it maybe good - I am a Fuji lover myself. But with it's price... I bought less-than-$300 mirrorless kit Samsung NX100 for my wife and use it myself since then, it gives such great RAWs. How much better can this Fuji be to cost 8-10 times more with lens? Controls and looks is less important, I guess, than photos themselves, aren't they?

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Zvonimir Tosic
By Zvonimir Tosic (Jan 9, 2012)

It's the not price itself that matters, but a total cost of ownership and your understanding of what you think photography is all about.

There's a great deal of immeasurable benefits money otherwise cannot buy, which are all best described as "experience", and what some good photographers recognise in the X-Pro camera.

A camera is not a gearbox with a summed up total cost of all the wheels and bolts — that's your angle of view. A really good camera is *the unforgettable experience*. And smart photographers are buying such an experience, not a camera.

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Roland Karlsson
By Roland Karlsson (Jan 9, 2012)

Just like the X100 camera, this is a camera in the old quality tradition. Or at least so I assume. Its a contender to Leica, at a much lower price. Now - maybe you dont like that kind of cameras. Then its not for you. But I shall surely take a look and see if it fits my demands for a likeable and good camera. ---- I have tested the X100 - it felt good - but I got not 100% convinced I was ready to pay the premium price.

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Faintandfuzzy
By Faintandfuzzy (Jan 9, 2012)

Hey, just point me to where you can get a new D700 for $1699. I await your response....because you lost me with that first piece of nonsense.

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sesopenko
By sesopenko (Jan 9, 2012)

Tons of people are dumping their X100's because their honeymoon phase is over. I suspect people are going to be dumping these cameras too because I don't think this sensor is going to be able to resolve detail well enough to justify the price. I mean why the hell spend this amount of cash on something that doesn't look capable of printing a 13x19 that matches the current landscape of camera systems at the same price point?

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kwojdyna
By kwojdyna (Jan 9, 2012)

So You have to shop in Poland, because that's the price you can find (easily for $1800) D700 for here (NEW).

What concerns other posts - I just LOVE Fuji and LOVE this dial-design of cameras and have been missing it for years. But what I do is photographs - the prints or image files. Nice feeling of a camera, "experience of a camera" etc. are just additions to it. Some people think opposite - pictures are just the side-effects of "touching a camera". I do not mind - not my money -not my problem.

But I really would like a camera like that and regret will not buy. A toy get's less unusual as you have it, pictures results uncomparable to D700's, but once paid money's gone (A LOT!)

I hope Fuji will not find many people who pay just for a "touch of THE camera" so people like me can buy it reasonably priced in a time... Regards to everybody (Fuji workers too), I am not here to argue but to express my opinion. And that is it.

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locke_fc
By locke_fc (Jan 9, 2012)

Wow, you sir (sesopenko) sound like you're on a mission here. I don't normally care, and I've no relationship to Fuji, but this kind of behaviour infuriates me.

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garygraphy
By garygraphy (Jan 10, 2012)

Your comparison is fine if you are driving towards a DSLR and a full complement of lenses. I am trying to move towards a smaller body with just 2 lenses. No mirror slap for silent operation is a plus although it seems the X Pro 1 is potentially noisier than the X100.

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sporty883
By sporty883 (Jan 9, 2012)

"The X-Pro1's price will be around $1700, with lenses in the $650 region." doesn't necessarily mean $1700 for the body only. My guess is that it will be $1300 for the body, lenses around $650 and a kit (with 18 mm or 35 mm) for $1700.

Well, please don't ruin my dreams just yet ;) I was dreaming about this exact camera for nearly 15 years now. Thanks Fuji.

And I do wonder why Leica hasn't come up with the magnifying glass for it's rangefinder. They had 50 years to find a solution... *sigh*

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sesopenko
By sesopenko (Jan 9, 2012)

Magnification cuts the light down. If an optical viewfinder is to be bright and provide a large image it needs to be physically large meaning the camera would be larger.

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ZoranC
By ZoranC (Jan 9, 2012)

IMHO with X100 and X10 Fuji has been overpromising and underdelivering while justifying their appetite for extreme pricing not with quality of result but with fancy brochures and other PR materials. If, as they say, history is any indicator of the future, what are the chances this new X from Fuji will follow that pattern?

For now I am passing. For $3K X-Pro 1 and two lens cost one can get new D700 and two lens.

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Faintandfuzzy
By Faintandfuzzy (Jan 9, 2012)

The D700 and a 35 prime and 50 prime will set you back $3900...and the camera and lenses are huge in comparison. I know, bcause I own them.

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sesopenko
By sesopenko (Jan 9, 2012)

This right here. Fuji's been perpetually over-promising and over-hyping their products.

This xpro-1 has the same lack of clarity that's found in the X10. I don't care what people say the X10 I used to own made prints like crap compared to my wife's old G11. And I'm seeing the same clarity troubles in the sample images provided by fuji that are going to plague the Xpro-1 to overpriced doom.

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locke_fc
By locke_fc (Jan 9, 2012)

Trolling much?

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ZoranC
By ZoranC (Jan 10, 2012)

@faintandfuzzy: Sorry I was not phrasing myself. I should have said "in $3K range" to avoid nitpickers that have reputation of being Fuji fanbois. Regardless, even for $900 more D700 is still a bargain compared to X-Pro 1. First one is dependable worlkhorse that just keeps delivering incredible performance. Later one is trailing on Fuji's track record of X10 and X100 and if those are any indicator what is in store future is not bright for Fuji fanbois. Just look at samples Fuji posted. They are clear as a mud.

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Asylum Photo
By Asylum Photo (Jan 10, 2012)

Fuji hasn't overpromised anything. The X100 has the best APS-C image processing I have ever had the opportunity to use. It's hands down a high quality camera. If you guys are basing your expectations on the X10, then you're barking up the wrong tree.

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ZoranC
By ZoranC (Jan 10, 2012)

@ Asylum Photo "(X100) It's hands down a high quality camera." You call camera where number of users are reporting problem with sticky aperture blades a high quality camera?! Please.

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