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Corel announces Bibble-based AfterShot Pro Raw workflow tool

By dpreview staff on Jan 10, 2012 at 18:16 GMT

CES 2012: Corel has announced AfterShot Pro, a Raw processing and workflow tool based on Bibble's technologies. Coming just a week after the announcement that Corel had bought Bibble Labs (though several months after the deal was done), AfterShot Pro provides the kinds of photo management and non-destructive editing that products such as Adobe's Lightroom offer. The software, available for Mac and Linux as well as Windows, will cost $99 or $79 for existing Bibble 5, PaintShop Pro X2, Lightroom or Aperture customers. A free trial is available from Corel's website.

Press Release:

Corel® Releases New Photo Workflow Solution: Corel® AfterShot™ Pro

Las Vegas, Nevada - January 9, 2012

Corel is pleased to announce the exciting expansion of its digital photography portfolio with the introduction of Corel® AfterShot™ Pro. The total photographic workflow solution for professional and enthusiast photographers will be displayed today at Pepcom®’s Digital Experience!® and tomorrow at Showstopper® at CES. Providing complete RAW workflow, flexible photo management, advanced, non-destructive editing and breakthrough performance, AfterShot Pro offers a powerful and affordable alternative to products like Adobe® Photoshop® Lightroom® and ACD Systems ACDSee™ Pro. Based on technology from Corel’s acquisition of Bibble Labs, Corel AfterShot Pro provides Windows®, Mac OS® and Linux® users with the tools they need to get the most out of their photos.

“Today’s photographers, whether they’re professional or enthusiast, are coming from shoots with hundreds, if not thousands of photos,” said Chad Kinzelberg, Executive Vice President and General Manager of Digital Media at Corel. “They want to be able to bring in their photos and get right to work finding their best shots and making them better. With AfterShot Pro we are delivering a powerful RAW workflow solution to help photographers power through their photo workflow and get back to doing what they love – taking great pictures.”

Flexible Workflow Gives Photographers Great Results - Fast

Fully multithreaded and optimized for multi-core and multi-CPU computers, Corel AfterShot Pro delivers fast RAW processing and incredibly color-accurate images with regular support for an ever-increasing number of major camera manufacturers and models. Unlike current competitors, AfterShot Pro offers workflow capabilities that enable you to work with photos virtually any way you want, such as quickly accessing images from existing file folders or memory cards or importing them into searchable catalogs. Corel AfterShot Pro’s powerful, non-destructive editing tools let you make your photos look their best, while unique selective editing capabilities provide incredible control over image adjustments by letting you apply them exactly where you want them. Corel AfterShot Pro key features include:

  • Breakthrough Performance: Corel AfterShot Pro is designed for speed and allows those with and without the latest hardware to process their images fast. AfterShot Pro is fully multithreaded and optimized for multi-core computers by taking advantage of every CPU at its disposal to maximize the speed of onscreen preview, adjustment and output generation.
  • RAW power: Corel AfterShot Pro is designed to help you make the most of the extra detail and data in your RAW images by offering fast RAW processing and incredibly color-accurate images.
  • Flexible photo management: Whether reviewing, adjusting or exporting RAW, JPEG or TIFF images, Corel AfterShot Pro gives you the freedom to work the way you want. Create custom or even portable catalogues that can be moved to another computer, or if you already organize your photos in folders on your computer, you aren’t required to catalogue them at all. Work with photos wherever they are, whether they are in folders on your hard drive or on a memory card.
  • Robust Metadata tools: Browse and search your photos with ease using the powerful metadata features in Corel AfterShot Pro. Easily find your images with automatically imported EXIF data such as camera settings, lenses and dates. Add your own keywords, ratings, labels and tags or use industry-standard IPTC Metadata, such as captions and copyright. Tailor metadata sets to display only the information you want to see or use AfterShot™ Pro Presets to attach information to your photos for easy searching.
  • Advanced, Non-destructive editing: With the non-destructive editing tools in Corel AfterShot Pro, refine and enhance your photos without ever altering your original image. Apply intelligent automatic or manual adjustments—including complete exposure and tone control, color correction, white balance, noise reduction, curves and levels, lens correction and many more—knowing you can always revert to an earlier version of the image at any time.
  • Selective editing: The unique Regions and Layers capabilities in Corel AfterShot Pro give you incredible control over image adjustments by letting you apply them exactly where you want them.
  • Easy Photo-Editing Software Integration: When you’re ready to get into deeper photo editing and advanced image manipulation, Corel AfterShot Pro lets you to bring your image into Corel® PaintShop™ Pro, Adobe® Photoshop® or the image editor of your choice from directly within the application.
  • Batch processing: Corel AfterShot Pro saves you time with some of the most advanced and flexible batch processing tools available. Use them to rename multiple files, apply adjustments to groups of similar files with the same settings, or convert and export files to one or more pre-defined image formats and sizes.
  • Speed to output: When you’re ready to create image files to print, share online or access in other applications, Corel AfterShot Pro offers lightning-fast output generation. Plus, use Batch Output to quickly process images according to predefined output settings like JPEG and PDF, create contact sheets or standard print sizes, and more. It’s easy to modify Batch settings or create a custom Batch process that suits your workflow.

Pricing and Availability

Corel AfterShot Pro is available in English, German, French, Dutch, Italian and Japanese immediately as an electronic download (ESD) from www.corel.com. Box versions will be available from Corel's global resellers later in January 2012. North American pricing is $99.99 (US and CDN). The upgrade version is available for $79.99 (US and CDN). To be eligible for the upgrade you must own a previous licensed version of: Bibble Pro or Lite 5, Corel® Paint Shop Pro® Photo X2 or higher, Adobe® Lightroom® or Apple® Aperture®.
To download a free fully-functional trial version or for more information about AfterShot Pro, please visit www.corel.com/aftershotpro

Comments

Total comments: 91
GarryRC
By GarryRC (Jan 20, 2012)

I've tried Bibble as a Trial and now have ASP - works great on my win 64 newish but low end lap top. Last weekend I imported 19,000 photographs into a catalog - no problem, After all this was done I opened up the program and clicked to view a tag with over 2,000 images, the tagged images came on screen almost instantly. I tried another tag with 30 images, same thing. Now I'm making changes to my tags for better results. Next week I'll start adding my other external hard-drives.

1 upvote
cesaregal
By cesaregal (Jan 12, 2012)

I've resized one photo and AfterShot has resized the original RAW too!
Is it possible maintain the original RAW completely?
AfterShot is easy and intelligible, but I need maintain the original RAW and the original JPG.
Perhaps I don't know well the program.
Have you experience in that?

0 upvotes
cesaregal
By cesaregal (Jan 12, 2012)

Really the original RAW is maintained.
Excuse me for the incorrect post.
I confirm that the program is easy and intellegible.

1 upvote
SigmaChrome
By SigmaChrome (Jan 12, 2012)

Looks nice, but once again - no X3F (Sigma - Foveon) support. Is it really that difficult to support this RAW format?

0 upvotes
HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Jan 12, 2012)

Adobe Camera RAW only just--like last month--started opening X3F files and only from the DP2x.

DXO 7 doesn't open any SigmaFoveon raw files either.

1 upvote
PlaKen
By PlaKen (Jan 12, 2012)

I like it so far. On a 4-year old laptop running linux with several open applications (including windows virtual machine), it did a decent job.

Looks worth the $99!

1 upvote
HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Jan 11, 2012)

And no, like Bibble 5.2, AfterShot does NOT extract Samsung NX100 RAW files, let alone NX200 RAW files.

Hope someone in authority at Corel is paying attention to these comments. What's the point of having a general RAW extraction program which won't open files from cameras introduced Fall of 2010?

Oh, and Corel your contact customer service webpage sucks, and I already have a user account with a password.

1 upvote
illusie
By illusie (Jan 11, 2012)

very promising, I experienced. one problem: aftershot can't handle the raw-files of my fujix100 (.raf-format). but I think I'll buy the program when that problem has been taken care of.

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patchfree
By patchfree (Jan 11, 2012)

Amazing piece of software! Very fast processing, not a oil gaz plant... For the true photograpers, not for LR or Aperture users who have plenty of bling-bling softwares but rarely talent.

3 upvotes
like a bumblebee
By like a bumblebee (Jan 11, 2012)

I used Bibble v.4 and v.5 since 2007. First impressions after seeing the Corel version:
* Bibble 5 (but not 4) had a nasty moire issue with Olympus E-3 files. Same in Corel. Yes, I know, 4/3 platform is dead, but it just doesn't work for me.
* Auto-levels don't work (or, at least, don't work as expected from Bibble experience). Nice, properly exposed daylight shots look either clipped to black, or look unnaturally bland. Yes, I checked the cutoff values.
* Where are the familiar "product" and "portrait" tone options (the called it "look profiles")? what tone curve are they using, at all? It's not like any of Bibble 5 curves, nor like the camera jpegs. It makes importing old .xmp settings meaningless (they all presume different tone curves).
* Where's Andrea?

So, in the end, it's the same Bibble with a big old problem and some new ones. No deal.

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rjajr
By rjajr (Jan 11, 2012)

Just downloaded and tried it for about two minutes... I'll be sticking with Lightroom.

1 upvote
WT21
By WT21 (Jan 11, 2012)

Thanks for the quick summary. I tried Bibble before and didn't like it. You just saved me 30 minutes!

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photohounds
By photohounds (Mar 17, 2012)

Two minutes - MORE than enough to evaluate a piece of software. The image processing speed will save you a thousand times that over a year if you are more than a dabbler.

Used it on Win/Lin and sometimes mac since long before adobe even had a workflow tool. Bibble's maturity shows in the hands of someone with a little skill, but some might have to spend ANOTHER two minutes reading the manual ....

I hope Corel don't bollox up a good thing.

I use an E3 among other things - no moire here - are you sure it isn't a video card artifact? I can see it non full size screen images sometimes - but NEVER in full size or in file output - or in any print.

a moire "issue" is Non sequitur - check your video drivers or card and the output.

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bloodycape
By bloodycape (Jan 11, 2012)

How does this compare to Bible? Additionally, will this replace Bibble?

0 upvotes
3dmus
By 3dmus (Jan 11, 2012)

Just downloaded it, but it appears there's no dual monitor support. Pity. Other than that, seems fine so far although I do prefer LR interface.

0 upvotes
Severn Bore
By Severn Bore (Jan 11, 2012)

I am in process of trying it, but cannot find any red-eye removal tool. I tried using the clone tool as a substitute, but despite my fast PC with 8gb RAM it proved difficult to place the clone tool with any precision.
Anyone else found this.
Incidentally why so expensive in UK compared with US?

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Auster Pilot
By Auster Pilot (Jan 11, 2012)

Red-Eye removal tool was always a plug-in (although was supplied with core Bibble 5 product). I'm hearing that plug-ins will be available soon. Hopefully that and "Andrea" will be made available as quickly as possoble.

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Severn Bore
By Severn Bore (Jan 11, 2012)

Hi Auster Pilot.
Pity, that. Seems a basic omission as red eye reduction is usually included in even rudimentary editing software.

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IKB
By IKB (Jan 11, 2012)

Severn Bore

AfterShot Pro is not editing software.

It is raw image processing work flow software intended to process files that come from the camera. They can then be edited in PSP or another editor such as Photoshop. That's why a red eye removal tool is not present as default.

1 upvote
bod
By bod (Jan 11, 2012)

The UK price can probably be explained by the addition of VAT, so thank our govt for that!

$99 + 20% = £78

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Keith Reeder
By Keith Reeder (Jan 16, 2012)

"They could bring a whole swathe of x-Bibble users back to ASP if Adobe RAW Converted DNGs were supported."

That would need them to admit that all the BS reasons Bibble Labs have given over the years for not supporting Adobe DNG were just that - BS.

The same people are now working for Corel, so not much hope of that...

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Auster Pilot
By Auster Pilot (Jan 11, 2012)

I've been a Bibble user for several years and always preferred it to anything else as 90% or more of my images could be processed and corrected without need for any other post processing.

However when I bought a Samsung NX camera last year I found out that Bibble wasn't supporting any new cameras apart from mainstream Canon/Nikon and DNGs created by the Adobe RAW converter not supported. I've been using Capture One Express since.

I've downloaded ASP, paid my £14.95 upgrade fee (this is the price in UK until end of January) and still no DNG support except for camera native DNGs like my Samsung GX-10.

They could bring a whole swathe of x-Bibble users back to ASP if Adobe RAW Converted DNGs were supported. I certainly would go back and the new interface does seem faster on my Windows 7 64bit PC compared to Bibble (although the Linux Version on my Laptop feels a bit slower - but I have a lot of problems with that laptop so that may not be representative)

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IKB
By IKB (Jan 11, 2012)

I just want Fuji X100 support. The whole Fuji X range is missing and it now counts for four cameras. However the X100 is supported in PSP. I think that they will have to update frequently or the product will die.

3 upvotes
Argie
By Argie (Jan 25, 2012)

And I want support for Fujifilm X10. I wrote Bibble but never heard from anyone.

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yukonchris
By yukonchris (Jan 11, 2012)

Hopefully they focus on intelligent features AND stability with future developments. PaintShop Pro was a wonderful application back in its Version 6 days. I wasn't impressed with its stability or development in the early years after Corel got it.

3 upvotes
Alphoid
By Alphoid (Jan 11, 2012)

Does anyone know if the DNG support is for real? It's in the Tech Specs, but in old Bibble, it didn't support most DNGs (only out-of-camera DNGs). That's the only thing that's been holding me back.

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Mssimo
By Mssimo (Jan 11, 2012)

Download the demo and report back with the news! Thank you for the feedback in advance.

1 upvote
Mssimo
By Mssimo (Jan 10, 2012)

Upgrade price for lightroom or aperture users! $79.99

To purchase the upgrade version of this product, you must own a previous licensed version of: Bibble Pro or Lite 5, Corel® Paint Shop Pro® Photo X2 or higher, Adobe® Lightroom® or Apple® Aperture®.

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Mssimo
By Mssimo (Jan 10, 2012)

This is a cool feature:

Noise Ninja™
Reduce noise while preserving detail with Noise Ninja by PictureCode, Inc. You’ll get natural-looking results without artifacts with this state-of-the-art technology.

1 upvote
Octane
By Octane (Jan 11, 2012)

I used Bibble before and I also had a full license to Noise Ninja so I got the benefit of the full (as opposed to the reduced) noise reduction features inside Bibble. While it works good I think Adobe Lightroom's noise reduction is the best at this moment. The results are better than Noise Ninja.

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FujiColy
By FujiColy (Jan 10, 2012)

I am finding problems with the CMS, unbalanced and over saturated colours especially reds..

It looks like Corel has moved over to the Argyll CMS (From Kodak) for the ICC profiles, very simple gamma matrix profiles and prone to this red error. It also looks like Corel are using Eric's old colorchart shots that were never ideally shot in the first place.

I have made some precise LUT profiles for AfterShot that work very well, I will post them up later in the Digital Darkroom Forum.

If they can sort the colour this could challenge LR :-)

Colin - Huelight

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Shaken
By Shaken (Jan 10, 2012)

Quadro GPU supported?

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Henry M. Hertz
By Henry M. Hertz (Jan 10, 2012)

yeah that was top priority for a 89 dollar product!!
in fact they support 8 GPU´s on my 4 tesla cards.

sorry could not resist..

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Mssimo
By Mssimo (Jan 10, 2012)

It does run on linux. I guess that is a small +.

1 upvote
Mssimo
By Mssimo (Jan 10, 2012)

On performance:
"Corel has done a fantastic job of taking full advantage of multicore CPUs that are shipping in a broad range of AMD VISION PCs. For instance, on our FX-8150 8-core desktop machines, we found performance increases of as much as 605 percent—an impressive speed improvement over the already fast experience we saw with a single core enabled. For photographers working with hundreds of images at a time, this is a huge time savings."
John Taylor, Director of Client Product and Software Marketing, AMD

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Michael Meissner
By Michael Meissner (Jan 11, 2012)

It presumably runs on some Linuxen, but I couldn't find the appropriate libstdc++ libraries on my Fedora 14 system (I installed all of the libstdc++ libraries listed by yum).

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nilux
By nilux (Jan 11, 2012)

I run Bibble5 (haven't tried ASP yet) on my Fedora 14 system. There it uses libstdc++-4.5.1-4.fc14.i686

Bibble is 32-bit despite there being Debian 64-bit packages. Those are only to satisfy some Debian dependency. On Fedora make sure to do yum -y install lsb.i686 to get a bunch (but not all) of the 32-bit stuff taken care of first

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Photo Pete
By Photo Pete (Jan 10, 2012)

Also doesn't seem to support raw+ jpg capture in a sensible way. (treats them as completely separate files).

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Photo Pete
By Photo Pete (Jan 10, 2012)

When I first saw the announcement of Corel's buyout of Bibble I was really hopeful. Bibble 5 had loads of promise, but was seriously flawed with lots of user interface, feature and stability issues. I had hoped Corel would overcome those.

Try deleting, adding or renaming a photo outside of the software and then try showing the changes in the catalogue... there is no synchronisation option. Makes cataloguing in this software pretty useless IMHO.

Also can't get on with the layer selection tools. Very clunky implementation of what should have been an excellent feature. Needs a magic wand style selection option, or something similar.

Just checked on the highlight recovery as well. Still throwing up some nasty colour casts where lightroom and capture NX2 produce good results.

It seems as though this is a simple re-badging of Bibble 5, so if you want to get the low down on it's performance or problems then it might be worth looking at the bibblelabs support forums. Interesting reading.

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Michael H
By Michael H (Jan 10, 2012)

There is no shortage of whingers over at the Bibble forum, quite a few with no real justification. Comments based on use carry more weight with me. As a long time Bibble user I can say there are changes, more than cosmetic. Good interface improvements, stability greatly improved (I am Win 7, 64 bit), new colour “engine” to name a few. Did you try ASP for a time before posting your comments?

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Damon Lynch
By Damon Lynch (Jan 10, 2012)

Try to be patient :) The highlight recovery is not ideal but I strongly suspect it's one of the top priorities for the developers. My guess is most of their development time must have gone into the new rendering engine, which is a major change. It's definitely not a simple re-badging!

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JohnLindsey
By JohnLindsey (Jan 11, 2012)

For Highlight recovery, you need to go the the detail tab and click monocrome or the color clipping happens. Good point there are a couple (three or five) Bibble defaults that really need changing and I'll have to see if any got updated.

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Keith Reeder
By Keith Reeder (Jan 16, 2012)

"There is no shortage of whingers over at the Bibble forum, quite a few with no real justification. Comments based on use carry more weight with me. "

Jeez...

I've been using Bibble since 2006 (you?) and I'm right at the front of the queue to criticise the appalling IQ that Bibble - and now ASP - renders from Canon files; and highlight recovery is crappy too.

Is that "justified" and "based on use" enough for you?

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ser dpreview
By ser dpreview (Jan 10, 2012)

which the difference between PSP X4 and this new software?

Do not do the same things?

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Michael H
By Michael H (Jan 10, 2012)

The way to look at it is:

PSPX4 = PhotoShop competitor
ASP = Lightroom competitor

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ser dpreview
By ser dpreview (Jan 11, 2012)

THANKS MICHAEL,but PSP X4 and ASP have the price too close to hold the comparison IMHO

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Mr Fartleberry
By Mr Fartleberry (Jan 10, 2012)

This reeks of the iView sellout.

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Identity
By Identity (Jan 10, 2012)

Impressed so far on my iMac. Much quicker and more capable than iPhoto, and quicker than Aperture, although I've only used Aperture a bit. It was just too slow on my system, and I found the interface cumbersome and noise reduction was limited. Having Noise Ninja included in AfterShot Pro is very nice, and it does a much better job than anything I've used before.

For $99, this seems like a great piece of software.

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Grandcentral
By Grandcentral (Jan 10, 2012)

In case you want to compare Adobe has released a public beta of Lightroom 4 at labs.adobe.com. Lightroom 4 beta works to March 12 2012

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novak977
By novak977 (Jan 10, 2012)

Actually, quite pleasantly surprised!
Fast, good default reading of the raw files, skin tones by default way better than LR, the only thing is Luma/Chroma noise is not as easy to use as in LR. Though te results are not worse than LR. Have to spend some times with layer function.
Extremely pleasing first experience.

1 upvote
John Bean (UK)
By John Bean (UK) (Jan 10, 2012)

Hmm. It appears to be unable to open Fuji X100 .RAF files :-(

In any case it's not going to attract LR users (like me) so long as it has no DNG support.

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Henry M. Hertz
By Henry M. Hertz (Jan 10, 2012)

no DNG.. well yeah that will be a deal breaker for most RAW shooter i know.

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Tamaro
By Tamaro (Jan 10, 2012)

from corel web "RAW file support from most leading camera manufacturers: ARW, CR2, CRW, DCR, DNG, MRW, NEF, NRW, ORF, PEF, RAW, RW2, RWL, SR2", so i think it is supporting dng, have not tested

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shaocaholica
By shaocaholica (Jan 10, 2012)

DNG is free to use right? There's no reason not to support it.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Jan 10, 2012)

Tamaro et al:

A big problem with Bibble 5.2 and DNGs is Bibble is camera specific. So it works for an M9 DNG (unlike DXO), but then Bibble 5 won't open a DNG shot with the Ricoh GXR.

Maybe Corel will fix this mess.

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bhlevca
By bhlevca (Jan 11, 2012)

I agree. It is a deal breaker. My workflow includes saving all the modifications inside the DNG file. The information is encapsulated there and there is no need for sidecars, which I hate.

When they are going to implement imprt and export to generic DNG is when I am going to buy/use this product, which otherwise is decent and runs on Linux. LR still rules.

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Mutovkin
By Mutovkin (Jan 10, 2012)

The upgrade for existing registered Bibble 5 Pro users was actually just 20$ via direct e-mail. User interface on Mac got better, much more pleasing. I hope their build-in color profiles improved, for example for Canon 7D the output of in-camera JPEG and CR2 in Bibble looked drastically different and required adjusting every image, so no matter how fast it is whole process was very time consuming. I really hope this is fixed now.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Jan 10, 2012)

Any idea about Samsung NXes RAW support?

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Autoxave
By Autoxave (Jan 10, 2012)

What do you mean by "20$ for registered Bibble Pro users via direct email". According to Corel the upgrade costs 79 $.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Jan 11, 2012)

Autoxave:

For Bibble5 owners, until the end of January, the "upgrade" is 20 bucks.

Really.

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javafool
By javafool (Jan 11, 2012)

If you are a registered Corel user the pricd drops to $17.99.

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Steven Lungley
By Steven Lungley (Jan 11, 2012)

I'm a registered Bibble 5 user and the bill reads $19.99 Canadian. For $20 bucks I picked it up on promise alone.

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Robert Kovacs
By Robert Kovacs (Jan 16, 2012)

I picked up a copy. I dualboot between Windows 7 and Ubuntu 11.10. I mainly use Lightroom on Windows for most of my workflow. But I wanted something good for my Ubuntu partition, since I use that more than Windows for everyday tasks. AfterShot works great under Ubuntu 11.10. For the upgrade price, it was a deal that couldn't be passed up, considering what Bibble Pro used to cost. Hope this product is successful. Between the two, I still prefer Lightroom, but AfterShot will get used as well. Love having choices.

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SteB
By SteB (Jan 10, 2012)

It seems very interesting, even though I now use Lightroom. Unfortunately the video clip handling of the new LR4 beta also looks very promising. It's ages since I tried Bibble so I've forgotten most about it. There are a few things I'm not clear about having just had a look at the Corel website. What exactly is the layer support, and can you export files to an other image editor with layers? Are their masks with layers? Also what is the plugin support because now I prefer Topaz DeNoise 5 for noise reduction? I used to use Neat Image so I'm not too familiar with Noise Ninja.

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thorir
By thorir (Jan 10, 2012)

Bibble is in fact a very good raw processor. Quite different from ACR, better in some respect, less good in others. I always liked the interface better than LR, but like most softare options, it depends on personal preferences. (all of this being a "IMO", of course)

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crisarg
By crisarg (Jan 10, 2012)

It's a very good application for the current price.

Nu stupid current activations like other Corel suites.

It's very fast.

Not bad at all.

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Henry M. Hertz
By Henry M. Hertz (Jan 10, 2012)

fast... mhm... have you tested it with a 70000-100000 pictures?

i mean what is not fast on todays systems when you only edit or manage a few images?

how fast is filtering of keywords etc. compared to database solutions like LR?

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crisarg
By crisarg (Jan 10, 2012)

I did a quick test converting 200 NEF images with Lightroom and AfterShot. Believe it or not, AfterShot is much faster. And I have a fast system.

Of course, it's worse than Lightroom in many areas like Noise Reduction, cataloging and others.

But still it's great to have some competition in the market.

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Henry M. Hertz
By Henry M. Hertz (Jan 10, 2012)

how is the overall feel/response?
scrolling through a lot of images, searching and filtering images etc.

when i get it right it has no database?
so i wonder how fast it is when you have a huge collection of images in different folders and (for example) filter all images for a keyword.

i will download the demo when im at home.

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crisarg
By crisarg (Jan 10, 2012)

Right now I'm cataloging last year images (about 25.000). The speed it's quite good, faster than Lightroom but not like in conversion speed. CPU usage is very low.

I browsed through a stack of about 150 images and it's very fast. In fact too fast for my taste, it goes from number 20 to 50 way too quickly. :)

The GUI is very similar to Bibble 5. It's very responsive.

Laster edit: you can create catalogs, I'm testing a big one right now.

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Damon Lynch
By Damon Lynch (Jan 10, 2012)

The reason it's so fast is because the developers really know their stuff when it comes to concurrent / parallel programming. It's really difficult to do that well, and the Bibble / ASP got it right with Bibble 5. I'm not aware of any other RAW converter that does as well in this respect, including Adobe. Hopefully in time some other RAW converters will catch up.

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daMatrix
By daMatrix (Jan 10, 2012)

A month ago I tried several raw converters. Biblelabs could not run because it depends on a third party library that conflicts with wacom driver. Hopefully that is not the case in AfterShot.

Concerning speed and opening folders with +1000 files: Silkypix was a convincing winner with showing up all previews and be ready for user input. Lightroom was the slowest in the bunch.

Actually i'm not at all a fan of having a rawconverter that forces to assign files to categories to see and work. I rather take the files hot from memory card direct while browsing my folders. Organization of files is done with a dedicated photo database software, that goes far deeper than 'can do all' software..

So concerning speed, I will give After Shot a try.

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onlooker
By onlooker (Jan 10, 2012)

"Lunix"? Is that an operating system for people from Berkeley? ;)

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Richard Butler
By Richard Butler (Jan 10, 2012)

I thought it looked odd. Not a word I often have to write.

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winparkman
By winparkman (Jan 10, 2012)

No upgrade from Coreldraw graphics suite? I have LR and the only thing that might entice me away is a clean interface with graphics suite.

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Henry M. Hertz
By Henry M. Hertz (Jan 10, 2012)

is there anything that seperates it from LR?
or is it just a poor mans LR?

i don´t see anything in this announcement that impresses me.

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DrugaRunda
By DrugaRunda (Jan 10, 2012)

Well I have seen something that impressed me - speed. So if it is all the same otherwise, this one is a clean win.

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Henry M. Hertz
By Henry M. Hertz (Jan 10, 2012)

well i put my money on adobe.
if only because it´s unclear how long corel or this product will exist.

i have not much trust in corel anymore...

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PrebenR
By PrebenR (Jan 10, 2012)

Speaking of money and Adobe.... Some licensing changes seems to spring to mind....

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Henry M. Hertz
By Henry M. Hertz (Jan 10, 2012)

you get what you pay for. ;)
im used to it buying zeiss lenses....

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TomHJ
By TomHJ (Jan 10, 2012)

A huge advantage to me of LR (or DxO) is the ability to do lens corrections as part of the workflow. (LR, because of its ability to let users create and share their own lens correction profiles, seems to me to be the best game in town--in this respect--today.) W/o that (and I see nothing suggesting AfterShot Pro has anything like it), it will have a hard time competing for my attention....

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Damon Lynch
By Damon Lynch (Jan 10, 2012)

Bibble has been doing lens correction for years -- well before LR. You can make your own profiles too. I made one myself for the Samyang 14mm, which seriously needs it!

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JohnLindsey
By JohnLindsey (Jan 11, 2012)

It has lens corrections and you can add your own or adjust as needed. It has more supported lens than DXO.

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Torgeir Jensen
By Torgeir Jensen (Jan 11, 2012)

In that case you have to look into ASP/Bibble again. It does have lens corrections and recognize lenses automatically. This function isn't enabled by default, but it is easily enabled from the "details" tab. You may also make your own corrections or download special corrections other have shared on the forums.

The most amazing thing about this software is that you are able to edit your photos on both your eeePC as well at on your desktop i7 computer with ease.

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BobHowland75
By BobHowland75 (Jan 11, 2012)

No DNG support = no sales.
That, and a cumbersome interface.

Sorry, Corel. But if you wanted people to switch from LR, Aperture,...: you REALLY, SERIOUSLY, 100% POSITIVELY missed the chance.

Yes, DNG is from one of your competitors. But that doesn't mean you should ignore the format totally. Why don't you just ignore TIF and JPG as well & come up with your own format. I'm sure that would really help find new customers as well.

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camnewb77
By camnewb77 (Jan 13, 2012)

I tried this product mainly because it supports layers. There are many nice features in addition to layers here but unfortunately the user interface is definitely not fully baked. Everything from image redraw issues as you adjust sliders to just general clunkiness. I felt the UI got in my way a lot so it's no go for me. Usability is huge if you edit a lot of pictures. Also, given that you can often get LR at $149 and even at $99 a few times a year if you own PS Elements there really isn't a great price advantage with Corel for me. Good try but not enough for me to switch. LR is a great product, it will take a lot more to displace it.

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Robert Kovacs
By Robert Kovacs (Jan 14, 2012)

I think that Corel products could be gearing toward enthusiasts and graphic artists. Since this new Adobe licensing scheme is hitting the enthusiasts the most. And Adobe products, with the exception of Lightroom and PSE/PremiereElements to die hard professionals and high end 3D animators. Just my theory. This news is hitting allot of Linux blogs. Any many seem very happy about the news, some have already bought the download and are running it on Ubuntu. Hopefully they will make their other products cross platform. Plus you will then be able to choose your platform of choice!. The more money and attention they make. The more money can go into development of the products.

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Keith Reeder
By Keith Reeder (Jan 16, 2012)

"Well I have seen something that impressed me - speed. So if it is all the same otherwise, this one is a clean win"

Speed is NO substitute for image quality.

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By DOWNLOAD LINK (Jan 16, 2012)

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dulak
By dulak (Jan 16, 2012)

Bibble was ok After Shot Pro is great! Corel changes color processing http://bibblelabs.com/press/pr20120109.html In my oppinion now program is much better then Bibble.

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M Colyer
By M Colyer (Feb 5, 2012)

Bought the software but can't use it as there is no support for my Panasonic GX1. Apples Aperture is equally slow at giving support for new cameras.

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