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Create your own articles - public beta launched today

By dpreview staff on Sep 28, 2011 at 21:00 GMT

Introducing Articles for Everyone

A few weeks ago we launched our articles section and we promised that you'd soon be able to create your own articles, photo blogs and other personal content using our newly-developed browser-based editor and content manager. We're excited to announce that today we've opened up access to this cool new tool for all registered members. You'll find links to your article manager in your profile (Articles tab) or at the top of the main articles index page.

First, a little background. For the last decade or so the stuff you read on dpreview.com has been produced almost entirely manually, with all our reviewers and editors creating and editing html pages directly in Dreamweaver, resizing images in Photoshop and uploading everything via ftp (this is still the way we produce reviews and previews). As you can imagine, this requires lots of training, and is slow and error-prone. When we decided to expand our content into articles, specifically articles produced by external contributors, we knew we needed an easier to use way of getting content into the dpreview.com style and onto its pages, so we set about creating a true content management system and a simple web-based article creator/editor.

As soon as we started to think about what we could do with such a system we decided we should offer it to all our members, allowing them to create permanent, easily discoverable content directly from their user profile. The forums are full of amazing information, expertise and opinion produced by some highly knowledgeable and talented members, but it can be hard work finding what you're looking for when wading through thousands of posts.

We deployed the CMS and article editor at the same time as the articles section (all the articles are created using it), and after a few weeks of testing we're happy it is robust enough to launch it into a public beta. The best way to discover what it can do is to go to the articles tab of your profile and start playing with it, but you can also read this quick primer if you'd like to get up to speed on the features of this first beta launch.

At launch the system allows you to create single or multi-page articles using text, images, tables and videos. Right now these will be accessed directly from your profile page (and will appear at at the bottom of the main articles index page), but we are working on ways to make your content more discoverable, and systems to ensure the best, most highly rated content bubbles to the surface. You can help this by tagging your articles and by clicking the 'Like' button on articles you find interesting, useful or inspiring.

Click here to jump straight to our primer on using the new article editor

We're launching personal articles today as a public beta, meaning there's almost certainly a few bugs and quirks, which we'll be fixing and fine-tuning over the next few weeks. Please report any bugs you find via the feedback form.

What's next

We need to spend a couple of weeks dealing with the beta feedback, but we're already developing some cool new features for the articles system. Just a taste of of some of the things you're likely to see In future updates includes:

  • Collaborative creation tools (multiple authors, version tracking, wiki tools)
  • More flexible image layout options
  • Better mobile device support
  • Better forum integration
  • Expanded integration with social media sites such as Facebook, Twitter and Flickr
  • More templates
  • More privacy and permission controls (who can view or edit your articles)
  • More control over commenting

FAQ

What can I use the article system for?
Pretty much anything you want as long as you stick to the site rules (see here) - a photo blog, tips, opinions, product reviews - it's totally up to you.

Why should I write your articles for you?
It is, of course, completely up to you. We see a lot of carefully constructed, useful or inspirational posts get lost in the endless flow of the forums, and we thought it would be sensible to offer our members somewhere to archive their contributions, share their thoughts/experiences and pass on their knowledge. We don't expect everyone to create articles, but we just couldn't keep such a cool tool to ourselves and our commissioned contributors.

Who owns the content?
You own all the words and pictures you post, and you can remove them at any time (as per our terms and conditions). The only exception is contracted, commissioned content.

How do I get my content featured on the home page?
At the moment only commissioned content is featured on the home page and in the main articles index, but we will soon offer a way to submit articles for approval by the dpreview.com editorial team, at which point we'll be able to promote them to official endorsed content status. We'll also start promoting popular / highly rated community content. Stay tuned!

Can I use the articles to promote my own product/services/website?
Articles created solely for the purpose of promoting a product, service or website will be considered to be spam and are likely to be deleted and may result in a permanent ban. However, you may include a single link to your personal or commercial website at the end of the article (we still reserve the right to edit or delete articles, at our discretion, that we consider to be spam).

Comments

Total comments: 144
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Photo Rico
By Photo Rico (Oct 6, 2011)

Hello All,

I hope you can help me. I am thinking of buying equipment to take photos of tourist and sell them, like in Disney Land, where the photographers are walking around and transmit the digital images to a central booth were clients chose and buy them. I have no clue about what to get. I did some research and the equipment seems to be very expensive and I need advise in what is the right setting for my new venture. Also, I am not sure if I will need any software to edit photos. My idea is to have a nice background picture were people can pose like if they were actually at that location. I also saw a program were you shoot against a blue background and then over impose the photos.
Please help, I'm very exited about the business side but know nothing about the technical side.

Any advice is much appreciated.

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nikoj
By nikoj (Oct 1, 2011)

Great opportunity to start your own mansurovs, ishootshows, kenrockwell, etc .com.

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petestone
By petestone (Oct 1, 2011)

So let's see.....

Not only does the user created content get dumped to the bottom of the "Articles" section without any category organisation.....but the tags don't work!
DPreview is really doing all they can to encourage users to post content....don't you think? I know things are still "in beta"....but how hard is it to get things right?
Right now....it's looking like a rather amateurish effort!

Pete Stone
www.petestone.com

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Simon Joinson
By Simon Joinson (Oct 1, 2011)

We're working on it, and it'll get changed next week i promise! This stuff is more involved than it looks!

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petestone
By petestone (Oct 3, 2011)

Ok...I'll anxiously await the improvements.......
Pete

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SiPat
By SiPat (Oct 1, 2011)

One sincerely hopes that the rudeness and arrogance of some of the forum posts doesn't find it's way into this section.

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Chris Dodkin
By Chris Dodkin (Sep 30, 2011)

Ah, I see you got the idea from RPF and decided to do it yourselves then!

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Simon Joinson
By Simon Joinson (Sep 30, 2011)

what's RPF?

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Simon Joinson
By Simon Joinson (Sep 30, 2011)

Railway Protection Forces?

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omr
By omr (Oct 1, 2011)

@Simon

http://www.realphotographersforum.com/

See Hamish Gill's earlier post below.

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Simon Joinson
By Simon Joinson (Oct 1, 2011)

ah, ok. Never come across that site before. I may be wrong but i suspect they weren't the first to do this either ;)

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AvanGarde
By AvanGarde (Sep 30, 2011)

They are some of the richest company in the world.They could hire talented people to deliver top quality content instead they try to tap into free intellectual property market to get most probably more search engine traffic (more keywords)
People comment some already published articles as 'worthless' - well you get what you paid for.

I have seen now they look for forum moderators of course its UNPAID JOB and this comes from a company which has net income US$ 1.152 billion (2010)

Disappointing.Google is more fair, you can have some ads in your blog and you will get revenue from ads it motivates people to deliver quality content not just any content.

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moving_comfort
By moving_comfort (Sep 30, 2011)

I think this is a great idea.

If someone really has a problem with what they see as providing 'free' content to dpreview, you can simply use this feature as an enticing portal to your own external content, if you wish.

.

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bobpark
By bobpark (Sep 30, 2011)

I have read through many of the comments here, and there seems to be a lot of negativity for a feature that is still new. (Has there even been a single article written yet?) I love photography as a hobby, and I suspect there are many members to this site who feel the same.

This may come as a shock to some of you professional photographers out there, but not every amateur aspires to become professional. We are not all out to steal your jobs. We respect your expertise and experience as a tool to better our enjoyment of the hobby.

Additionally, I verily feel sorry for anyone who would look on craig's list to hire a photographer. That's just sad.

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HaroldC3
By HaroldC3 (Sep 30, 2011)

This is no different than some company going through Flickr to see if they can find a picture they need and asking the photographer to give it to them for free. Sure not everyone is going to say yes but you will get people willing to give away their work for free just for the credit.

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wutsurstyle
By wutsurstyle (Sep 30, 2011)

now haters of articles have a chance to put money where their mouth is! lets see if they can do better..

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zoomring
By zoomring (Sep 30, 2011)

People just don't get it,if you want to share your expertise by all means do so in your own blog or web page, maintain 100% control of your content, market yourself and your skills, and make money for yourself not for AMAZON.

Look at the awesome blogs created by Joe McNally, Strobist.com, and Thom Hogan. These people "get it" , they understand their intellectual property is gold and creates value to a website. Don't give away your talent and let a major corporation profit from it, create your own blog or web page, market your self or your cause, and hopefullyone day you will be successful and independent like strobist.com

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Faisalee
By Faisalee (Oct 3, 2011)

WOW! How much do the people who "Get It" pay you? Sorry but its you who dont "get it"! Thom, Strobist and others are professionals and they do not need to share here, they have already a million following there blogs / sites.

This is for who are not so established as professionals and have limited following and want to change that. There are others who know stuff but others dont know them, this will be a launching pad for them to gain respect and eventually start their own blogs which others will follow closely :) AMAZON will not earn millions by some hidden user articles these dont even appear on the first page...!

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PETE ALEX
By PETE ALEX (Sep 30, 2011)

Great idea! Pity the "old school" thinks just don't get it! And it is often these long time guys who know the most. I guess that sharing is just something they don't do.

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therickman
By therickman (Sep 30, 2011)

If you're a tax lawyer, with years and years of experience, and that's your livelihood, are you going to "share" tax advice with thousands of people, for free?

If you're a successful news journalist, with years of experience, and that's your livelihood, are you going to "share" your techniques and tricks of the trade, for free?

If you're an accomplished chef and restaurant owner, and that's your livelihood, are you going to "share" the ingredients and preparation of your dishes with thousands of wanna-be cooks, for free?

The truth is, accomplished photographers who are at the top of the photographic profession and make a good living at it are the very people who we should be learning from - not a bunch of amateurs and quasi-successful togs on DPReview. You're not going to learn anything new or be inspired by a novice who thinks he's David LaChapelle. You're going to learn and be inspired by David LaChapelle. And for that quality education and insight, LaChapelle needs compensated.

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jezsik
By jezsik (Oct 3, 2011)

My dear, therickman. I am astonished that you think you can only learn from professionals at the top of their field. I think it's fair to say that dpreview is inhabited by well over 95% rank amateurs yet I, and many others, have learned plenty. Furthermore, while some top lawyers, journalists and chefs certainly get paid for sharing their expertise, plenty of them share their knowledge for free ... recognizing that greater exposure can lead to greater opportunities for making money.

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therickman
By therickman (Sep 29, 2011)

You people just don't get it.

Would you spend 3-10 hours of your time writing, researching, re-writing, editing, proofreading, re-writing some more, and taking photos to submit an article to a major newspaper or magazine... and not get paid?

DPReview - as much as they want to label themselves simply as an online photography resource and discussion forum - is actually a magazine. It's a magazine in the form of a website. It's a webzine. Seriously, what's the difference between DPReview and "Digital Photo Magazine" other than that the latter is available in print form? They both carry news, product reviews, editorials, articles, contests and advertisements. It's just that DPReview isn't printed. That's it. That's the only difference, no matter how DPR markets itself. So again I ask you, would you spend your valuable time, talent and creative writing skills to contribute articles to "Digital Photo Magazine" and not get paid? There's no difference between the two.

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Barney Britton
By Barney Britton (Sep 30, 2011)

So don't. Seriously - no-one is forcing you to. This system is designed to give people who want to expose their photography or opinions to their peers a better-looking platform than the existing forums.

Dpreview.com is a free service. This new content system isn't a sinister ploy to steal your copyright, or make money from your unpaid labour. Your reaction to this new functionality (and that of some other commenters here) is depressing in the extreme.

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Charrick
By Charrick (Sep 30, 2011)

"Would you spend 3-10 hours of your time writing, researching, re-writing, editing, proofreading, re-writing some more, and taking photos to submit an article to a major newspaper or magazine... and not get paid?"

In a word, yes. Sorry to annoy you, but yes. If, I thought many people would enjoy it. And I plan to contribute here a bit...though I won't spend that much time on it, so my articles won't be 100% pristine and magazine-worthy. Fine. I'm a no-talent hack. But I'm a no-talent hack who doesn't mind giving freely to society. I use open-source programs, an Android phone (though I paid for the phone, of course), and have even been known to download movies from bittorrent occasionally when people have put them up there for free. Nobody HAD to do any of that. They could all have tried to earn money. But the power of the internet is that it lets people help others for free. I doubt my level of writing, though adequate, will put anyone out of work, so it's pretty much win-win, right?

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therickman
By therickman (Sep 30, 2011)

So, you're saying you take pride in stealing other people's work?

And, if you're a "no-talent hack" who isn't going to put 100% into composing an article for DPR and will be severly lacking, then why would you expect anybody to read it?

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therickman
By therickman (Sep 30, 2011)

@Barney: "This new content system isn't a sinister ploy to... make money from your unpaid labour." If you're featuring how-to articles written by people you're not paying, which will draw traffic to your website and those pages in particular, which in turn increases your visitor log and lengthens time on the site, that will most definitely increase ad revenue and add to your bottom line. So I'm sorry to tell you, you're making money from unpaid labor.

You can say you're not making money from uncompensated article submissions, but you are. You're a business in business to make money. And I'm 100% positive the DPR execs had their usual "what can we do to increase revenue" meetings, and at that meeting they discussed ad revenues. "How can we keep people on the site longer?" "How do we add more members?" "How do we make our site more interactive?" "We need to increase ad revenues, so how can we accomplish all this at no cost?" Create Your Own Articles - Bingo!!

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Makinations
By Makinations (Sep 30, 2011)

"no cost"? Really? They built an entire infrastructure to allow visitors to do this. This involves hiring people like me. And I cost a lot more than a writer.

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Charrick
By Charrick (Sep 30, 2011)

"So, you're saying you take pride in stealing other people's work? And, if you're a "no-talent hack"...then why would you expect anybody to read it?"

You should listen to yourself. Supposing I am a no-talent hack who can't write a good article, I'm no threat to you. If you're an accomplished chef and fear people giving away their macaroni and cheese recipes for free, then maybe you aren't so accomplished.

As for DPR, I'm sure they had a meeting to discuss how to become more "social". People share free stuff (that didn't go through a rigorous research and editing process) everyday. It's called a social network...or a blog.

And, in fact, I'm sure that paper magazine writers think that you internet writers have been stealing their jobs for the past 15 years.

I just wrote an article about a 1-year old camera. Did I put someone out of work? Anyway, to those interested, here's my job-killing article:

Canon SX30 IS Rev:
http://dpreview.com/articles/2032411270/canon-sx30-is-concise-review

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Scott Everett
By Scott Everett (Sep 30, 2011)

I love the use of "DPR Execs". We are photography geeks. We sit around offices and discuss how to make this site more useful and interesting. It definitely sounds more dramatic to think of us as "the man" though, so carry on.

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Barney Britton
By Barney Britton (Sep 30, 2011)

@therickman - here's an idea, don't use the new system. There. Easy. Problem solved.

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therickman
By therickman (Sep 30, 2011)

I'm not going to contribute to your "unpaid-amateurs-who-think-their-insights-are-invaluable" article submission feature, nor am I going to read those articles because they're written by a bunch of nobodies. Now, if/when you "publish" articles from some esteemed travel photographers, or notable fashion photographers, or sports shooters who make a living at it, then I'll definitely read those, because those people are experts at the top of their fields and their insights are truly invaluable. And they won't give that education away for free, I'll tell you that much. Trying to learn the skill of photography from your uncompensated amateur article submission page would be like learning physics from a professor's undergraduate teaching assistant. But good luck with it. I'm sure DPR will earn lots more money off the works of willing suckers.

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Makinations
By Makinations (Oct 1, 2011)

Have you ever seen "wizfaq" on any of Joseph Wisniewski's forum posts? He's giving that away for free now....

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therickman
By therickman (Oct 5, 2011)

Jezsik - if you want to learn how to drive a golf ball far and straight off the tee, would you prefer reading the advice of some amateur weekend golfer you've never heard of, or Jack Nicklaus, John Daly and Tiger Woods?

Yes, there are a lot of capable, even brilliant, photographers on DPReview offering advice and teachings. And I'm not saying their forum posts and/or articles won't be educational for some people just starting out in photography. A lot of people take photography classes taught by nobodies. But DPReview is the leading digital photography news and reviews website owned and operated by a multi-billion dollar company to add to its revenue streams. Amazon didn't buy DPReview as a noble venture to lose money. And while they're asking for free columns from anybody who cares to write them - without regard to level of experience or professionalism of the author - I'll be reading articles by/about top professionals in "Shutterbug," "Digital Photography Magazine" and Strobist.

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Morty Black
By Morty Black (Sep 29, 2011)

This site has become a total mess.

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Lukino
By Lukino (Sep 29, 2011)

I suspect dpreviews' editors are crossing the country ringing bells and pointing guns to random readers to have them post valuable content on the site - or else, I cannot really understand why the hate for a great new feature buried in a menu nobody would have clicked whitout having read the news post!
The best is, whiners are complaining they are getting a feature FOR FREE! If that is the problem, why don't you just go buy a book instead?

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Cy Cheze
By Cy Cheze (Sep 29, 2011)

Dpreview's idea is good. All the grumbling comes from folks who like to bark but not get bitten. The reservations are not about "intellectual property" or that people be paid (for what amounts to a free audition, something you don't often get in the publishing world) for what would otherwise languish on a low-hit personal blog, or be burried in a retailer's "buyer comment" section. The root fear is to write something that be, not only "up to snuff," but also withstand critics' jagged teeth. On the other hand, any seasoned professionals, accustomed to blockbuster fees or commissions, need not bother submiting anything, but not complain either. It's no skin off anyone's nose.

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BG_CX3_DPREVIEW
By BG_CX3_DPREVIEW (Sep 29, 2011)

welwelwel,

i did expect dpr people to be a bit more intelligent,

dpr is growing, steadily, feature by feature added,
so why being so heavily against something new? just because it is a change?

Let it devellop, see what comes out of it, your free to not click on articles, i bet in a few months or year a hidden treasure is found thanks to this.

I applaud it, for those who are against it, thank you for expressing your opinion, now who is the first to start...

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BPJosh
By BPJosh (Sep 29, 2011)

I dig this!
Going to try it out in a few!

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AshMills
By AshMills (Sep 29, 2011)

Maybe we should be asked to write the full reviews for the site too?

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Simon Joinson
By Simon Joinson (Sep 29, 2011)

What have you been asked to do so far?

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freiherrfoto
By freiherrfoto (Sep 29, 2011)

I was a former DSLR consultant to Sony Asia and I was paid for what I developed for them. In no way will I give this up for free to DPR in return for the hosting service. If I wanted to host a site without paying, I can get a free site from tumblr or posterous for this.

I'm sorry but bloggers are not writers nor qualified journalist. The amount of unmoderated articles will be very difficult to manage should the flood gates be open. Good luck DPR.....!

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Simon Joinson
By Simon Joinson (Sep 29, 2011)

You do understand that this is no different to a free site from tumblr or posterous? We're not asking anyone to do anything for free that they would normally be paid for. In fact we're not asking you to do anything at all, just giving you a new way to create and share stuff with other photography enthusiasts.

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zoomring
By zoomring (Sep 29, 2011)

News organizations don't "ask" the general public to submit photos of news related events, but they encourage them, same thing you are doing here, with teh same goal, getting free content without having to pay a frellance photographer or writer a fee.

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Scott Everett
By Scott Everett (Sep 29, 2011)

Zoomring, you are not comprehending something very basic. In our forums people post lots of valuable information, but it is hard to find, and not so easy on the eyes in many cases. This CMS allows the most useful knowledge already being shared to be presented in a better UI and to be found much easier. Our goal is really simple, to provide great news and information to our readers.

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Mike Gunter
By Mike Gunter (Sep 29, 2011)

Hi Scott,

"In our forums people post lots of valuable information..." and to be kind, some less than useful words.

From a journalistic POV, you have your hands full. The content you are providing has to be watched carefully. Simon has already said, you'd be crazy not to watch it. After all, people will be reading it clarity on gear and know how.

You'll be guardians, but that bears a responsibility that I'm not sure you want. Monitoring content and shepherding authorship could be beyond your intent. You will want absolute accuracy, wouldn't you?

The 'journalist' comment caught my attention. It means something to me.

I hope this comes about, but it isn't without investment in manpower and a different direction in management.

My best,

Mike

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Mike Gunter
By Mike Gunter (Sep 29, 2011)

Hi,

Intellectual property as stated in the above proposes to be to the author, but the note cited indicates that it belongs to the Dpreview.com, which seems to be contradictory. That really needs to be cleaned up. Content could easily be republished later in some other form and authorship will need to be nailed down.

The last paragraph states one can cite a website, but Dpreview.com can delete an article, meaning that they can seize editorial control largely based upon loose commercial content guidelines. That, too, needs to be better defined.

One of the great failings of Dpreview is the forums. The lack of moderation is missing. Self publishing would likely lead to similar antics. Unless Dpreview ponied up to an editor to sift through the chaff, there will be nothing but mis-information, rants of postings, and re-postings of rants.

I would spend some time in cleaning house first - fixing what you have, do some re-modelling, before making some additions to the house.

Mike

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Simon Joinson
By Simon Joinson (Sep 29, 2011)

The sections about content you produce override the general assertion of ownership (of the content we produce) in the T&C, but I'll get the wording looked at. And yes, of course we reserve the right to delete objectionable content - we'd be crazy not to.

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inevitable crafts studio
By inevitable crafts studio (Sep 29, 2011)

this reminds me on the w.t.f. episode from southpark

"they took his job"
"took e joe"
"t'k e toe"

hehe

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Hamish Gill
By Hamish Gill (Sep 29, 2011)

Indeed ...
most amusing ep

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Hamish Gill
By Hamish Gill (Sep 29, 2011)

We (real photographers forum) have been doing this for over a year now... And we are still the only site that does it the way we do! ... It works very well in helping the community develop in to a friendly place as everyone feels like they are part of the web site and not just a visitor to it. I personally think there is too much negativity on this site for it to work in the same way it works for us.
we have zero negativity on RPF, that, as a starting point to work from with this sort of thing is working for us. Working back from the negativity here is going to be hard work ...
That said, i wish DPR the best of luck with it

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Faisalee
By Faisalee (Sep 29, 2011)

With all the negativity... If I were DPR, I would end this project right now, but DPR is not me :)

I don't understand... This feature is just like a sub forum where you can create your own post and other members will read it and reply to it if they want to. Why is every one so concerned about professional writers going out of work and DPR making BILLIONS? :o

Members still share their knowledge and ask questions in the current forum setup, but this is just a specialized place for knowledge sharing, certainly will not hurt professional writers / photographers! They are not called Professionals for nothing :)

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therickman
By therickman (Sep 29, 2011)

Unfortunately, this is how the internet and new 'social media' works. Get used to it.

It's funny, professional photographers in the DPR forums always complain about those cheap inexperienced Craigslist photographers undercutting the pros and bringing down the quality and value of the photography industry, yet they'll be more than willing to contribute free content to DPR, undercutting professional writers and bringing down the value of the written word.

People will always work for free, especially if they think it's an 'honor.' And it'll be seen/read/heard by thousands of people.

The world is full of untrained wanna-be journalists who blog away in their underwear thinking they're the next Pulitzer winner. Hence, you'll have thousands of sheeple creating and contributing intellectual property to for-profit media organizations absent any compensation other than having their names attached to uninteresting, unenlightening, uninspired glorified blog posts. Enjoy the noise.

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zoomring
By zoomring (Sep 29, 2011)

I agree 100%! Why pay a pro when you can get suckers to do it for free?, This is the same technique News organizations use by requesting free I-Phone pictures from the general public , undercutting professional freelance photographers. Jo Schmoe gets to tell his friends his picture was used by Channel 7, even though he was paid zero for it.

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epo001
By epo001 (Sep 30, 2011)

There seems to be a fairly good rule of thumb that people who use the word 'sheeple' suffer from paranoid delusions.

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inevitable crafts studio
By inevitable crafts studio (Sep 29, 2011)

i like this funny posts about giving knowledge without getting paid hehe

who the hell you (the complaining users) think you are?^^

its an open call for sharing knowledge, which should be for free for anyone, to begin with.

thats major rediculous. if you dont want to share, dont do it. a few guys, including me, make fun of some articles because they sometimes only offer very very little knowlege, often together with "not that good" photos.

i for myself will shut up know until i wrote an article by myself and so should anyone else do it

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epo001
By epo001 (Sep 29, 2011)

Will there be quality control? The forums here (as witnessed by many 'contributions' on this page) are full of witless rants by illiterate people with too much time on their hands.

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MonkRX
By MonkRX (Sep 29, 2011)

Awesome feature. Tons of hate here in the comment system. Opinions are great, but the attitudes aren't.

Frankly, the forums are a mess (and this is true for all forums). This is a great tool to help build communities and help build photography as a skill and as an art. Great move by dpreview.

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RaptorUK
By RaptorUK (Sep 29, 2011)

The Forums need Moderators ! I understand that DPReview don't have the staff to do that so why not do what other Forums do . . . use responsible people who will do it on DPReviews behalf as unpaid help.

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AvanGarde
By AvanGarde (Sep 29, 2011)

Corporations are killing the market with their crowdsourcing, I feel sorry about guys trying to make money off their photoblogs/websites now they will need to compete with 1000000...... people who work for free - and you can't compete with that.

Why hire somebody when there is enough >fools< feeling to work for free ? Posting is different, you post to people and its pretty unlikely someone may directly profit from it, publishing article will just enrich content of powerful corporation will help get more Google traffic and bring more customers to their services.Maybe some spammers will love it to try sell you some 'stuff-you-need-so-much'.

It means only one thing - more money for dpreview corporation, less money for the people who could profit from their articles, less money for people who publish arrticles for free ( they could use it this time to make some real cash), maybe some money for spammers trying to sell you some stuff.

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dholl
By dholl (Sep 29, 2011)

This is brilliant! Well done, DPR. I for one would love to write some detailed product reviews, and look forward to reading the articles from other members.

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greg57
By greg57 (Sep 29, 2011)

Ok but what about the editorial line? No more editorial line? If an official review says camera X is so so, a blog says it's a wonder and an article trashes it... all this within the dpreview website... what about the authoritative value of dpreview statements?

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olyflyer
By olyflyer (Sep 29, 2011)

Excellent idea. This will prevent trashing of interesting threads and will make them easier to keep, assuming the thread starter realizes this in time and writes an article instead of a thread. At the same time, there is a risk for people starting articles instead of threads in a thread discussion like way. I hope you have thought of that kind of abuse and can prevent that or delete those "article threads".

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Gary Leland
By Gary Leland (Sep 29, 2011)

I think the differientation being made here regarding Threads vs Articles is crucial to understand by the user community. (us) Articles should certainly be constructed carefully in advance before posting and should reflect a much higher level of qualtiy as a result. If Articles are relegated to forum level they will not be as enjoyable as they should be.

Thanks DPR. I am excited to see the new content you are providing us with thru this skilled user segment. Thanks to all you would be contributers in advance.
Gary

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JohnMatrix
By JohnMatrix (Sep 29, 2011)

Yet more self promoting articles and blogs on the web - just what we need!!

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Sdaniella
By Sdaniella (Sep 29, 2011)

hmmm... gives me a reason to return more often... and a chance to share my insights on what i like about digital photographic equipment...

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noegd
By noegd (Sep 29, 2011)

Interesting idea. I could not find in the rules whether articles needed to be written in english.

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gl2k
By gl2k (Sep 29, 2011)

Dear dpreview

Great idea but too late.
The really gifted photographers who are willing to share their knowledge have already turned away from this site. There are a lot of great posts "in the past". But little has been contributed during the last year.
Guess there was kinda "brain drain" over the last 2 years or so.

sorry to say that.

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dylanbarnhart
By dylanbarnhart (Sep 29, 2011)

It's true, but for some reasons I feel that they are coming back. Or at least we'll discover new talents who have been quiet.

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olyflyer
By olyflyer (Sep 29, 2011)

I am sorry, but you are wrong and too negative.

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petestone
By petestone (Sep 29, 2011)

Alright...I just noticed that my article is visible below the categories list under "community articles" without any reference to the category it was written for.
So what's the point in listing it in any category when it is written?
This seems rather pointless.........!
Either respect the writers who post helpful articles for free by placing them in the appropriate categories.....or create a " community category" section for them
as you do for your previous authors.
This seems like a significant oversight!
Pete Stone
www.petestone.com

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Simon Joinson
By Simon Joinson (Sep 29, 2011)

this is very much in beta, but worry not, we're working on making your content more visible and fully categorized. It won't take long.

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petestone
By petestone (Sep 29, 2011)

Thanks, Simon.
I think this new "user generated" content shouldn't just be all jumbled together. The easier it is for people to find specific info on what they want....the more people will write it.
Pete

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petestone
By petestone (Sep 29, 2011)

How long before an article is "published" before it shows up.....?
It seems to take longer than a forum post......mine is still not visible hours later....
Thanks,
Pete Stone

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Simon Joinson
By Simon Joinson (Sep 29, 2011)

It's almost immediate. You'll find it under Community articles (at the bottom of the articles page, under the articles menu and here http://www.dpreview.com/articles/2604675683/petes-travel-tip-1-time-exposures-by-day)

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xinn3r
By xinn3r (Sep 29, 2011)

any news on when NEX 5n review will be out guys?

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Barney Britton
By Barney Britton (Sep 29, 2011)

Editing it now - it will be published early next week at the latest :)

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Simon Joinson
By Simon Joinson (Sep 29, 2011)

couple of days

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xinn3r
By xinn3r (Sep 29, 2011)

thx alot for the info ^^
Lookin forward to it

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Higuel
By Higuel (Sep 29, 2011)

And all the other extremely interesting cameras that you previewed but never actually posted a review?
I can certainly see that you are having LOTS of work, but when i become a Big fan of dpreview it was because of really well done(!!), complete reviews!
And not because there was a lot of previews (and self-promoting-excuses-of articles-for-half-written-ones-from-people-who-just-want-self-promotion! But don't get me wrong, i agree with all you wrotte above!!! I just fear more of what is happening lately: incomplete articles that don't really inform the readers about what is in the title, but instead the only real use is to promote the person who wrotte it, and that DIDN'T EVEN FINISHED THE ARTICLE!!! :(

PS: all in all, dear Dpreview, THANK YOU for such an AMAZING WORK all these years!!! (and please keep it as good and professional! :)

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futile32
By futile32 (Sep 29, 2011)

Wow what a response. Some people appreciate nothing.

Well, thats for all the hard work guys, I for one love the idea, as I know many of my blogging friends will too. This will help me reach a larger audience.

I don't know why I'm surprised at how disrespectful people can be. Everyday I get shown that someone can moan about absolutely anything, even if its a gift. Jeez.

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brecklundin
By brecklundin (Sep 29, 2011)

Just shows there is too much toilet training at gun point happening these days....and I am talking about kids toilet training their parents at gunpoint until they get whatever they want after already being either told no or that they needed to work for and learn in order to get to use something new or special.

I see this new article system as only a good thing. Some people will be good at it right away, others will get better over time with the help of constrictive peers and others will, unfortunately never be good at expressing themselves...but even they will likely learn something for themselves and offer up nuggets of gold now and then.

But as you mention there are always those who simply want to make something good end up a bad time for everyone. Just refuse to let them ruin our fun and they'll eventually go away as they are starved from the attention they obviously are seeking.

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Faisalee
By Faisalee (Sep 29, 2011)

Its quite sad... in fact DPR should start charging membership fee from these cry babies...

COME ON... its a free site to begin with and has been for so many years when Phil Asky use to post about his reviews in other forums and people appreciated it.

Now when DPR is growing, people have started complaining of the new features instead of a "Thank you" that every thing is free for them in these crazy times where people will even charge for a glass of water :(

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faroutfella
By faroutfella (Sep 29, 2011)

Good idea and obviously a "living" development.I can see some ideas coming from WWA (Worlds Worst Amateur) although some days my shots do seem to contain some artistic elements!!! Photography I suppose is a bit like golf where you're really up against yourself and trying to improve your technique.....greater detail than putting balls in holes!!!

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dylanbarnhart
By dylanbarnhart (Sep 29, 2011)

All features in dpreview did not grow from a tree -- from reviews, to articles, to the page designs, to the challenges, to the forums, to the contributed articles. Somebody spent money writing them, designing them, coding them. Be appreciative that they are for you to use without membership fees. If you don't want to use them, go away and let appreciative people enjoy them.

If it's that easy to make money from any of these features in the site, surely some other websites out there already did it. I have hosted a small photography website in the past, and the ad revenue could barely pay for web hosting, much less my time. Very few websites turn a profit.

If you have an idea for an article that's worth some money, by all means sell it if you can. Or write a book. If you have a photo that's worth money, don't share them here.

It's funny how people read contents here for free never thought about paying, yet got offended when seeing this contributed articles section.

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Managarm
By Managarm (Sep 29, 2011)

I think your comment sounds too negative regarding the regular userbase.

The whole forum content and the huge gallery also did not grow from a tree. Both simply would not exist without all those users contributing to it, also for free.
From your choice of words it sounds like the users are nothing but a bunch of parasites sucking the life out of the site and the guys responsible for keeping it up.

By the way, I like the idea of these articles (some sort of permanent "sticky" forum content) as long as the whole thing doesn't end up in sheer self promoting.

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dylanbarnhart
By dylanbarnhart (Sep 29, 2011)

Sorry I didn't make it clear that I was responding to the extremists threads below.

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joyclick
By joyclick (Sep 29, 2011)

Kudos !

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J Parker
By J Parker (Sep 29, 2011)

I've found excellent information and insights in the forums over the years. Anything that will make this type of knowledge even more accessible is a good thing. Thank you for this new feature (and all of the other ones you've added to the site over the last several months).

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digitall
By digitall (Sep 29, 2011)

An excellent feature which I welcome and hope to use. The dpreview team must be congratulated for the innovation (without gimmickry) displayed in this website. No one should have cause for complaint when the feature is voluntary, useful and free, and without loss of copyright to the author. Well done!

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Klay
By Klay (Sep 29, 2011)

This is a fantastic idea. Creating permanent and easily discovered knowledge is a great goal for dpreview and certainly adds value (possibly to dpreview but definitely to the users) to the experience of visiting the site.

There's a ton of stuff in the forum archives and a an unimaginable amount of photographic knowledge and experience visiting this site daily. Anyway that can make that easier to get at, bookmark and refer to later is a huge help to your global audience.

Cheers,

Kevin

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petestone
By petestone (Sep 29, 2011)

The "tags" link in the summary edit box isn't working.......I'm using Safari & Chrome on a Mac and the link goes nowhere.....

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Simon Joinson
By Simon Joinson (Sep 29, 2011)

being fixed now (it's not even supposed to be there)

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Josh Hays
By Josh Hays (Sep 29, 2011)

Thanks for pointing this out. Please use the "Tags" link in the toolbar at the top (between "Title and Category" and "Edit Content") to edit tags for your articles.

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Barney Britton
By Barney Britton (Sep 29, 2011)

Josh, you've ruined everything.

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cheddargav
By cheddargav (Sep 28, 2011)

Even by DPR forum standards these replies are over the top. Absolutely no one in the world is forcing you to write an article, so just don't. You are aware that by visiting and using these forums you're driving up web traffic...
Personally I look forward to seeing what people write, cheers DPR

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Faisalee
By Faisalee (Sep 29, 2011)

May be they want DPR to force them to write for FREE ;=p

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zoomring
By zoomring (Sep 28, 2011)

I have a great idea for DPREVIEW ! Why don't you HIRE and PAY professional writers, instead of asking for FREE intellectual property? AMAZON makes Billions of dollars in profits, correct?

What's next? you're going to ask for free photos? free song lyrics? free movie scripts?

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Barney Britton
By Barney Britton (Sep 28, 2011)

We're not ASKING for ANYTHING. Calm down.

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Lars Rehm
By Lars Rehm (Sep 28, 2011)

We are paying writers to produce commissioned content that gets onto our front page. This system is is for members who'd like to share their knowledge and expertise with the community...pretty much like writing an article on wikipedia or even a post on facebook...I hardly ever get paid for those...

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Simon Joinson
By Simon Joinson (Sep 28, 2011)

No, Amazon doesn't make billions of dollars of profit, nor would it make sense for us to start spending more than we can ever make in revenue. My suggestion would be that you simply don't use this feature instead of getting annoyed about us offering a platform for photo/camera enthusiasts to help and inspire each other. Not everything is about filthy lucre.

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zoomring
By zoomring (Sep 29, 2011)

@ Barney, I am calm :-) You should see Harlan Ellison and his response when people ask him for free stuff

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mj5IV23g-fE

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Barney Britton
By Barney Britton (Sep 29, 2011)

We are not ASKING for anything. Do what you want. We're just giving you a system for creating your own content, and a high-traffic platform on which to share it IF YOU WANT TO. The comparison with Harlan Ellison's reaction in the link you posted is bizarre and irrelevant.

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Simon Joinson
By Simon Joinson (Sep 29, 2011)

@zoomring. Once again, we're not asking for anything. We offer recompense to contributors producing articles we ask for. This is just a big, fancy extension of the forums. Ironically your comments are driving so much traffic to this page that it's generating income at an astonishing rate. If it carries on like this we'll ALL get a coffee tomorrow! Good times !

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zoomring
By zoomring (Sep 29, 2011)

@ Simon and Barney: I'm glad the posts are increasing traffic, perhaps you can pay someone to review an SLR lens since none has been reviewed in ages, I'm certain that will drive even more traffic.

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Simon Joinson
By Simon Joinson (Sep 29, 2011)

I'm glad that, without a shred of evidence or data, you're so certain of how we can increase traffic! We need more of your magical kind on our team!

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zoomring
By zoomring (Sep 29, 2011)

@Simon: You mentioned that my posts increased traffic, and thus would afford you a cup of joe. Do you not consider your own writings as a shred of evidence? :-)

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JohnMatrix
By JohnMatrix (Sep 29, 2011)

@zooming User generated content is the way forward unfortunately. dpr are simply doing what everyone else is doing.

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dholl
By dholl (Sep 29, 2011)

Barney, Simon, Lars...don't rise to the bait. No need to defend the decisions you're making to simple trolling attempts. Other posts offer constructive and fair feedback, concentrate on that.

@JohnMatrix, user-generated content is largely what the users want. See www.guardian.co.uk for how to get the mix right between pro content and user content.

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Rriley
By Rriley (Sep 29, 2011)

this is beginning to sound strangely like 1022
ho does it feel Simon ?

hmmm, Ive got 899 characters left

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AnandaSim
By AnandaSim (Sep 28, 2011)

LOL! Great! Now DPR can suck more of my time away. My family will never forgive you, you know.....

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