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Canon unveils Cinema EOS C300 interchangeable-lens video camera

By dpreview staff on Nov 4, 2011 at 00:00 GMT

Canon has unveiled the EOS C300 Digital Cinema Camera interchangeable-lens video camera at a press event in Los Angeles. Available in in two models, the EOS C300 comes with an EF mount, while the EOS C300 PL features a PL mount. Both models feature an 8.3MP Super 35mm-equivalent CMOS sensor developed specially for the system, a modular design and a new range of dedicated video lenses. The C300 is scheduled to be available in late January 2012 for an estimated list price of $20,000. The C300 PL is scheduled to be available in late March 2012, also for an estimated list price of $20,000.

Vincent Laforet invited Vimeo out to film the behind the scenes of his new short film, Mobius, which was shot entirely on the new C300. In the video you can see the C300 and the new 30-300 f2.9-3.7 being handled:

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Press Release:

A STAR IS BORN: CANON LAUNCHES NEW DIGITAL CINEMA CAMERA FOR HIGH-RESOLUTION MOTION PICTURE PRODUCTION

HOLLYWOOD, California, November 3, 2011/TOKYO, November 4, 2011—Canon Inc. and Canon U.S.A., Inc. today raised the curtain on an all-new interchangeable-lens digital cinema camera that combines exceptional imaging performance with outstanding mobility and expandability to meet the demanding production needs of today’s motion picture industry. The camera, which features a newly developed Super 35 mm-equivalent approximately 8.29-megapixel CMOS sensor, will be available in two models: the EOS C300 Digital Cinema Camera*, equipped with an EF lens mount for compatibility with Canon’s current diverse lineup of interchangeable EF lenses for EOS single-lens reflex (SLR) cameras and new EF Cinema Lens lineup; and the EOS C300 PL Digital Cinema Camera*, with a PL lens mount for use with industry-standard PL lenses.

The introduction of the EOS C300/C300 PL coincides with the launch of the Cinema EOS System, marking Canon’s full-fledged entry into the digital high-resolution production industry. The new professional digital cinematography system spans the lens, digital cinema camera and digital SLR camera product categories.

Star-Studded Supporting Cast
Equipped with an EF lens mount, the EOS C300 is supported by an all-star cast of high-performance EF lenses, not only the wide array of interchangeable EF lenses for EOS SLR cameras that have earned the trust and respect of photographers around the world, but also the EF cinema lenses in the newly announced Cinema EOS System. When outfitted with a Canon EF lens, the C300’s peripheral illumination correction automatically corrects for vignetting in accordance with each lens’s optical characteristics, and enables iris control from the camera. Canon EF lenses also enable the recording of such metadata as the name of the lens used, aperture setting and shutter speed.*1

Show-Stopping High-Resolution Full-HD Performance
The Canon EOS C300/C300 PL’s newly developed Super 35 mm-equivalent CMOS sensor incorporates approximately 8.29 million effective pixels and has a pixel size that is larger than that for conventional professional camcorders, enabling greater light-gathering capabilities for enhanced sensitivity and reduced noise. The sensor reads Full HD (1920 x 1080 pixels) video signals for each of the three RGB primary colors, decreasing the incidence of moiré while realizing high resolution with 1,000 horizontal TV lines.

Supported by a heightened signal read-out speed, the CMOS sensor reduces rolling shutter skews, a phenomenon prevalent with CMOS sensors in which fast-moving subjects may appear diagonally distorted. Additionally, the powerful combination of the sensor with Canon’s high-performance DIGIC DV III image processor facilitates high-precision gamma processing and smooth gradation expression.

In addition to MPEG-2 Full HD (MPEG2 422@HL compliant) compression, the EOS C300/C300 PL employs 4:2:2 color sampling for high-resolution performance that minimizes the appearance of “jaggies” at chroma edges. Additionally, with a maximum recording rate of 50 Mbps, the camera supports the recording of high-quality video.

The camera’s video and audio recording file format adopts the industry-standard MXF (Material eXchange Format), an open source file format ideally suited for non-linear editing systems. Recording to versatile, readily available CF cards, the EOS C300/C300 PL realizes high cost-performance and, equipped with two CF card slots, makes possible the simultaneous recording of video data to two CF cards.

Ready for Action
With a compact body design measuring 5.2 (w) x 7.0 (h) x 6.7 (d) inches, the Canon EOS C300/C300 PL delivers exceptional maneuverability, enabling shooting from vantage points all but inaccessible to large cinema cameras, such as close to the ground for high-impact low-angle shots, and alongside walls. In accordance with on-location shooting needs, the camera  can be outfitted with a handle, grip, thumb rest and monitor unit, and offers an array of industry-standard terminals, including HD/SD-SDI video output for the external recording of high-quality video content. When using a WFT-E6B wireless file transmitter for EOS digital SLR cameras (sold separately), the EOS C300/C300 PL can be controlled remotely by means of such common devices as smartphones or tablet PCs.

The camera is equipped with four start/stop buttons positioned at various locations to satisfy any preferred camera-holding style, and can be outfitted with a variety of third-party accessories, including matte boxes, follow focuses and external video and audio recorders. The unit also achieves seamless integration with third-party editing systems and provides added peace of mind through its dust-proof, drip-proof construction and built-in cooling system.

The new camera allows users to adjust image quality to match that of professional camcorders and EOS-series digital SLR cameras, and offers Canon Log Gamma, enabling flat image quality with subdued contrast and sharpness for maximum freedom in post-production editing and processing. In addition to frame rates of 59.41i, 50.00i, 29.97P, 25.00P and 23.98P, the EOS C300/C300 PL features a 24.00p mode, matching the 24 frame-per-second frame rate of film cameras for high compatibility with common film-production workflows.

Other features include fast-motion shooting, achieved by capturing fewer frames per second to create action up to 60x normal speed, and slow-motion down to 1/2.5x*2 made possible by capturing more frames per second. Frame rates between 1 and 60 frames per second (fps) *3 can be adjusted in increments of 1 fps.

Additionally, a selection of Custom Pictures lets users freely adjust image quality for greater control over how content looks.

Pricing and availability
The Canon EOS C300 (EF mount) digital cinema camera is scheduled to be available in late January 2012 for an estimated list price of $20,000. The Canon EOS C300 PL (PL mount) digital cinema camera is scheduled to be available in late March 2012 for an estimated list price of $20,000.

For more information and to view online demonstration footage of the new products please visit: www.usa.canon.com/cinemaeos

*1 Compatible features differ depending on the EF Cinema Lens used.
*2 1/2.5x possible only when recording in 720p mode.
*3 When 59.41i frame rate is selected.

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Comments

Total comments: 218
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jadawgis732
By jadawgis732 (Nov 4, 2011)

how much 4096x2160 video can you even record on 2 compactflash cards? I thought for sure they would have a sata port for SSD drives with such a high quality camera

0 upvotes
lancespring
By lancespring (Nov 4, 2011)

Check the specs again. It is only recording at the same rate as Canon's current 1080p professional camcorders: 50 Mbps

With two 64 GB Compact Flash cards, that would give you 160 minutes of recording time.

3 upvotes
ianz28
By ianz28 (Nov 4, 2011)

Looking at the release info and the video.....this is Canon telling Nikon and all imposters to "f-off! - you guys aren't gettng close to our video capabilities!"

And seriously speaking as a Nikon shooter. Nikon jumped into the video game but didn't really have much of a ground to stand on. Camera's like this are really changing the dynamics of "low" end projects and will quickly eliminate DSLR video options unless DSLR video capabilities quickly change to provide acceptable output.

Ian

3 upvotes
Sdaniella
By Sdaniella (Nov 4, 2011)

not really low end dSLRs are already doing cinematographic duty given their 'disposable=expendable' costs... one can afford to do 'extreme destructive' shots with the cheaper models than one would be willing to do with the pricier counterparts... so, much depends on the budget and visual objectives of the creative teams... after all they already used the 5DMkII in big budget movies (Iron Man II, etc.) in precisely that kind of scenario, which means a lot more opportunities for shots otherwise not considered on smaller budgets.

7 upvotes
Fraxinus excelsior
By Fraxinus excelsior (Nov 4, 2011)

Canon dosen't even come close to Sony Pro video!

D

2 upvotes
hazydave
By hazydave (Dec 23, 2011)

Naaaa.. Canon's just reminding everyone that they also make Camcorders. They haven't had a good answer in this category; the other majors (Panasonic, Sony, maybe even JVC) have.

Nikon doesn't play in the camcorder market. In theory, that could be a good thing for Nikon shooters. Canon , Sony and Panasonic have some interest in ensuring a $1K-$3K-ish DSLR isn't too good a replacement for a $10K-$30K+ camcorder. Nikon has no such issue.

But actually it's the Panasonics that have been most interesting, albeit with smaller sensors. They have had longer recording times, and full IPB compression in AVC; Canon DSLRs are IP only. There have been some interesting hacks for Canon, mostly little things like audio level meters or auto-restart recording. Not sure about Nikon. But there's a Panny hack for 120Mb/s+ AVC-Intra recording... where is this mode on the C300? In this price range, shoukd have it out of the box.

Ok, back to photógraphy...

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Charly Diaz Azcue
By Charly Diaz Azcue (Nov 4, 2011)

Seems to have a decent output quality but man the design is pretty ugly

4 upvotes
ianz28
By ianz28 (Nov 4, 2011)

these cameras get mounted to any number of mounting systems.......the look of the camera is irrelevant.

7 upvotes
Charly Diaz Azcue
By Charly Diaz Azcue (Nov 4, 2011)

agree ... but man the design is pretty ugly

1 upvote
Sdaniella
By Sdaniella (Nov 4, 2011)

there isn't a competitor less ugly... so much for electronics...

1 upvote
Charly Diaz Azcue
By Charly Diaz Azcue (Nov 4, 2011)

agree, but at least the new RED cost less and shoots 4K
http://www.theverge.com/2011/11/3/2536818/red-scarlet-x-camera-announced-to-take-on-canon-c300-ships-november

I don´t know if I mention this but man the design is pretty ugly

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Bob Meyer
By Bob Meyer (Nov 4, 2011)

Unlike many of the dweebs here at DPR, serious professionals are going to purchase based on how the camera functions, not how it looks. What matters is the look of the output, and how easy or hard it is to generate that output, not the look of the device.

Did I mention that form follows function?

1 upvote
arhmatic
By arhmatic (Nov 4, 2011)

Charly, not sure if you noticed, but it's not really ugly, it's more like Fugly...

2 upvotes
Charly Diaz Azcue
By Charly Diaz Azcue (Nov 4, 2011)

Bob I agree with you, what matters is the output quality that´s why anyone will prefer the RED Scarlet X instead of this, even if the Scarlet it´s uglier (to me)... more quality, less $$$ .. done deal. Game over Canon (and this pretty ugly design)

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Matthew Bartok
By Matthew Bartok (Nov 7, 2011)

The look of the camera is related to the accessories that are added onto it: matte box, external monitor, focus and zoom controls, etc. A nice looking professional 35mm cinema camera is just as ugly when nothing else is attached.

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CameraLabTester
By CameraLabTester (Nov 4, 2011)

Get ready for a flood of used 5D Mark IIs...

2 upvotes
Photomonkey
By Photomonkey (Nov 4, 2011)

Bit of a jump from $2K to $20K. The 5Dmk2 is primarily a still camera.

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CameraLabTester
By CameraLabTester (Nov 4, 2011)

Isn't this the 5D Mark III page? ... aww shucks!

Hold the floodgates!

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vFunct
By vFunct (Nov 4, 2011)

I'm surprised they didn't release a power-zoom & AF/AE system, for ENG work and so on.

Follow-focus systems are pretty bulky.

1 upvote
Sdaniella
By Sdaniella (Nov 4, 2011)

film students and film schools are going to have a low light field day with this...

http://web.canon.jp/imaging/eosd/samples/cinemaeos/

Max
http://web.canon.jp/imaging/eosd/samples/cinemaeos/player_max/movie.html?high

BTS (behind the scenes)
http://web.canon.jp/imaging/eosd/samples/cinemaeos/player_max_bts/movie.html?high

XXIT (for me... low light usage here looked interesting... and green screen)
http://web.canon.jp/imaging/eosd/samples/cinemaeos/player_xxit/movie.html?high

BTS (behind the scenes)
http://web.canon.jp/imaging/eosd/samples/cinemaeos/player_xxit_bts/movie.html?high

SWORD
http://web.canon.jp/imaging/eosd/samples/cinemaeos/player_sword/movie.html?high

BTS (behind the scenes)
http://web.canon.jp/imaging/eosd/samples/cinemaeos/player_sword_bts/movie.html?high

MOBIUS
http://web.canon.jp/imaging/eosd/samples/cinemaeos/player_mobius/movie.html?high

BTS (behind the scenes)
http://web.canon.jp/imaging/eosd/samples/cinemaeos/player_mobius_bts/movie.html?high

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mike kobal
By mike kobal (Nov 4, 2011)

it looks like a hand held vacuum cleaner :D

10 upvotes
arhmatic
By arhmatic (Nov 4, 2011)

True... but seriously - they probably spend millions on research and development and they can't hire a starving industrial design student to do a simple, minimalistic box that one just can't hate?

This is true to to all camera manufacturers. Recent Fuji X are probably the only exception.

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mike kobal
By mike kobal (Nov 4, 2011)

And the Red Scarlet X, another exception, the Sony FS100 which reminds me of the classic Hasselblad (def prefer over the vacuum cleaner look)
Sony wins this round against Canon easily with the F3

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NineFace
By NineFace (Nov 4, 2011)

Who's the red one?

1 upvote
abortabort
By abortabort (Nov 4, 2011)

This camera is exactly as crap as I knew it would be. Full high definition at 50Mbps? Wow! Super 35mm sensor? Woot! 20k plus 45k PER zoom lens? This just gets cheaper and cheaper. 7k per prime. So basically this is worse than a RED, more expensive than an F3 (but I cannot see where it is better in any way), way more expensive than an FS100. I'm sorry but why would ANYONE buy this camera?

First of all it's not due to EOS compatibility, if you are spending 20k on a camera rig you'll want cinema primes, or those super expensive cine zooms. But if you are in that category why you would buy a Full HD 50Mbps camera rather than a 4K camera? This thing is Red One money. Maybe it's built for TV? I still don't see why you wouldn't go a cheaper F3? Epic, Alexa and F65 all completely shatter this ridiculous little camera. What I don't understand is they are releasing a 4K dSLR - why is supposed to be cheaper and better equipped. So even Canon loyalists shouldn't be able to see any point in this!

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Sdaniella
By Sdaniella (Nov 4, 2011)

problem with other mfr are ISO limitations... ISO 800 may be okay to you... but i'd like to see cleaner ISO 16000 to ISO 20000... which the C300 offers...

you can ignore the 4 examples shown below... or take note, what could RED or Sony offer now in low light color capability?

maybe the example movies were just folks exaggerating their praise...? maybe past alternates are in fact 'great' with no low light drawbacks? well? 20k for an F3... but limited to ISO 800... worse than a dSLR... hmmm, that's rich

with such limitations... Sony should be having firesales at 15k... but who'd want them now with their limitations?

either the limited f3, or the humongous 11lbs F35... (ISO still limited)... for 100k... try fitting that into indie shots... the way C300 was shown to do...

i'm not a cinematographer... and even i can see the benefits... of a C300's low light high ISO usability (i shoot in dark conditions with my 5DMkII... and i want better low light performance... 1D X... or C300...)

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TrojMacReady
By TrojMacReady (Nov 4, 2011)

A) the F3 goes well beyond ISO 800. Again, it's +18dB which equates to a measured ISO 6400.
B) you have no idea how they compare in terms of SNR at any ISO level
But to give you a rough idea of the F3 performance, ISO 3200 on the Sony looks like ISO 640 on your 5DMkII.

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Sdaniella
By Sdaniella (Nov 4, 2011)

i guess you're just used to shooting in bright light situations... (dSLR or video, or both?) if you don't understand the purpose of low light hi ISO capabilities, you won't shoot in conditions that require it.

2 upvotes
TrojMacReady
By TrojMacReady (Nov 4, 2011)

I guess you didn't really read what I wrote. Compare the maximum gain in dB for both. And SNR (which you don't know, hence my remark).
The F3 is more than 2 stops cleaner than your Canon 5DMKII. That's low light performance.

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Sdaniella
By Sdaniella (Nov 4, 2011)

just look at what they've already shown... (4 links below directly from Canon):

they gave video examples at 16000 and 20000...
dSLRs go beyond ISO 6400... and i know from experience, this is still not good enough... thus higher ISOs needed for super clean footage...

i think naysayers just don't want to look... afraid of what's offered, but why? why ignore a significant improvement that has film like qualities yet super low light characteristics???

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abortabort
By abortabort (Nov 4, 2011)

Where exactly did you get that information from? So the C300 can magically see in the dark now, much better than an Epic or Alexa or F3 or 5D or F65 can it?

The F3 isn't LIMITED to ISO 800, that is it's NATIVE ISO. You don't have a clue how well this thing performs, you are going on the marketing of the company making the thing. To me they are selling an expensive F3 competitor but instead of a quiet release they are banging on about it and people such as yourself are buying into it.

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TrojMacReady
By TrojMacReady (Nov 4, 2011)

@ sdyue:
Ever heard of different ISO ratings? Did I not just mention ISO 6400 as measured (see AbelCine)?
The majority of DSLR's switch to digital gain for the higher ISO's too, which you can happily apply to F3 material if you insist.
Let's not go wild on marketing material and downrezzed movies.

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abortabort
By abortabort (Nov 4, 2011)

'thus higher ISOs needed for super clean footage...' Are you serious? Do you really believe that high ISO = clean footage? Look you have your little 5D and I am sure it is very nice for you, but an F3 is at least a couple of stops better. And quality footage isn't all about clean high ISO, how much Dynamic Range does this thing have? How good is it's crappy 50Mbps HD MPEG2 compared to say Red's RAW codec with 4 times the resolution? You can get a lot of detail in low light by having a good 4-5 stops more Dynamic Range and 4 times the resolution than you can from cranking up the ISO.

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Sdaniella
By Sdaniella (Nov 4, 2011)

right, cleaner... than an old 5DMkII (which i've state has hit its limits)... my ISO 800 is clean... so... what on earth are you talking about??? and i'm wanting CLEAN ISO 6400+ (16000 - 20000 is a start) the 1D X is already going beyond...

as for the large (unwieldy) and heavy PMW-F3... 2.4kg (body only) that's a 5 LBS exercise weight i cannot handle for long periods... can you? (add extra for lenses)

my 5DMkII body is less than 2 LBS... i can handle that for sure, but still not 5+? the C300 looks to be a one-hand held size... so it is comparable to a dSLR... not an exercise 5 LBS dumb-bell 'compact' F3 Sony...

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Sdaniella
By Sdaniella (Nov 4, 2011)

so... is RED a hand-held camera or something like the C300 or dSLR? do they offer full time realtime uninterrupted live-preview of exposure built-in?
or are they large and heavy like the PMW-F3?

clean low light video footage straight out of the camera...? well?

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abortabort
By abortabort (Nov 4, 2011)

'my 5DMkII body is less than 2 LBS... i can handle that for sure, but still not 5+? the C300 looks to be a one-hand held size... so it is comparable to a dSLR... not an exercise 5 LBS dumb-bell 'compact' F3 Sony...'

So let me get this straight, you want something that sees in the dark, shooting hand held, for hours at a time? Oh and you don't seem to care at all about price, have I got you correct here?

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abortabort
By abortabort (Nov 4, 2011)

'so... is RED a hand-held camera or something like the C300 or dSLR? do they offer full time realtime uninterrupted live-preview of exposure built-in?'

Your comments are becoming laughable!

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Jens_G
By Jens_G (Nov 4, 2011)

@sdyue where do you get 'film-like qualities' from? This is a crop sensor camera, not FF.

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PhotoArtKC
By PhotoArtKC (Nov 4, 2011)

One thought on high-ISO performance and shooting video. Quite frankly, if you are spending THIS kind of money on HD video equipment to shoot a production, ODDS ARE you will have enough budget to throw in plenty of cinematic lighting, thus ISO performance is moot. Of course their will always be exceptions.

I think this does open up some new doors for Canon and lower-budget film making, even more so than the DSLR's that have been popular for awhile now.

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CFynn
By CFynn (Nov 4, 2011)

@sdyue

"the 1D X is already going beyond..."

You already have a 1DX? - thought they weren't coming out 'til next spring.

Why not wait until the C300 has actually been meaningfully tested against Sony and RED cameras by serious and capable independent reviewers before raving on about ho much better it is - when actually you don't know.

Is anyone in their right mind is going to invest in a camera system that costs this much until there are meaningful comparisons available?

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BeanyPic
By BeanyPic (Nov 4, 2011)

And it's going to be used for sooooo many film, TV projects. Not only are they getting a new top end camera but Canon are going to have a whole new support system set for Hollywood.
I really do have to laugh at people who don't find out more a read the whole story.
I can see this being the Biggest video camera for the next 5 years.

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jtmon
By jtmon (Nov 5, 2011)

The Scarlet-X also has a bigger sensor, they got rid of the 2/3's, it's now the same size as the Epic which should mean better low light iso performance technically.

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elleyyh
By elleyyh (Nov 4, 2011)

Good news! Can't wait for the release date. Bad news, got ban from Engadget from starting a comment that hurt Vincent Laforet's image. Why? A while back I started a comment on Engadget. I wasn't alone, there where many. The internet can be a very UN-democratic place. Scary too. :)

http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/05/red-epic-scores-a-canon-eos-mount-vincent-laforet-gets-some-awe/#comment-280069432

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elleyyh
By elleyyh (Nov 4, 2011)

It was something like this, "@ smcpartlin, it's not that many people are ppposting here. 2nd I have nothing against Vincent and Philip but they annoying. Many people here have known, seen and fed up with the systematic and physcology self-advertisement-fame hunger these two Vincent Laforet and Mr. Philip Bloom are. You'll see something like this all over the web, about his camera fell and drown in water or he bought a brand new camcorder http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/arch... or http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/show... Com'on a 4 year old can figure this out! Fame doesn't come with advertisement, it advertises itself and comes naturally. Showing off your BIG UNIT it's not gonna work. I'm still waiting to see their epic production movie."

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Jogger
By Jogger (Nov 4, 2011)

Thats gonna be a tough sell, the PMW F3 is selling for less than 13k and seems to be better designed (just compare them side by side).

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Sdaniella
By Sdaniella (Nov 4, 2011)

13k... a firesale? i've still seen 19k so...

any examples of clean film like color footage at ISO 16,000 to 20,000 from Sony/RED?

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tkpenalty
By tkpenalty (Nov 4, 2011)

Nice, this basically makes it their first EVIL camera.

8 upvotes
AshMills
By AshMills (Nov 4, 2011)

Does it take stills?

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Almeida
By Almeida (Nov 4, 2011)

It does, but at 1080p resolution.

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IeraseU
By IeraseU (Nov 4, 2011)

Not very many comments. That's surprising to me. I thought we would have many more aspiring filmmakers out there excited by this budget alternative to the RED. I certainly see more money in the future of shooting video/film as compared to photography. Not that money is the ultimate end goal for everyone, but still.

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Sdaniella
By Sdaniella (Nov 4, 2011)

question is, will your actors and sets cost more, or less?
add fact you could now opt for multiple bodies too

i don't think this was meant for single camera indie work... but more

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graybalanced
By graybalanced (Nov 4, 2011)

The lack of comments is not surprising at all. There is almost nothing about this camera that belongs on this web site and its audience. That's not against the site or the audience, but this new camera is aimed squarely at professional filmmakers...it doesn't have any automatic modes, not even aperture priority. The sensor, aspect ratio, formats, etc. are all geared toward serious digital cinema only.

I'm not against the camera, since I actually use the HD video features of my Canon 7D, but this new Cinema EOS camera is in another league, that belongs on a different web site. Almost no one on this site needs it. Nothing on the camera is optimized for still photography.

About the ONLY thing of interest for the DPReview crowd is that it has an option for an EF lens mount, and the word EOS is in the name. That's it.

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Sdaniella
By Sdaniella (Nov 4, 2011)

dpreview is aimed at folks using M... not just 'auto-everything' beginner folks who just want 'auto-gain' to take over the look of the image or video... if so, you might as well go for basic video-cams... and small sensors... and low ISO... and high dof... etc... no cinematographic potential is what you presume

nothing here on dpreview indicates it will remain a stills only website...

you want stills, you have 1D X which offers cinematographer options too

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chris maytag
By chris maytag (Nov 4, 2011)

> "budget alternative to the RED"

Well, the EPIC, yes. But the new Scarlet is arguably a better camera for many needs, is 4k, is available with multiple lens mounts, rather than having to choose at purchase, and is HALF the cost of the Canon ($9750/$20000 body only).

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Sdaniella
By Sdaniella (Nov 4, 2011)

http://web.canon.jp/imaging/eosd/samples/cinemaeos/

http://web.canon.jp/imaging/eosd/samples/cinemaeos/player_max/movie.html?high

http://web.canon.jp/imaging/eosd/samples/cinemaeos/player_xxit/movie.html?high

http://web.canon.jp/imaging/eosd/samples/cinemaeos/player_sword/movie.html?high

http://web.canon.jp/imaging/eosd/samples/cinemaeos/player_mobius/movie.html?high

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Midwest
By Midwest (Nov 4, 2011)

$16,000! Well I guess I can put that on the back burner. Must be nice though.

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Sdaniella
By Sdaniella (Nov 4, 2011)

16k is a lot cheaper than 100k for Sony's CineAlta F35 (Super 35mm) Cinematographer's video camera ...

1D X now seems a reasonable 'ultra-budget' alternative
:D

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tkbslc
By tkbslc (Nov 4, 2011)

Sony released a similar camera (pmw-f3) a year or two ago in the $15k range. So the Canon is not bargain basement priced or anything. It's priced where it should be.

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Sdaniella
By Sdaniella (Nov 4, 2011)

low dof and
16000 to 20000 ISO... has a film look...
how well did the Sony do?

PMW-F3... just ISO 800... well? (for $19k)... will be heavily discounted if student requirements are for low ISOs... 15k as you say...

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TrojMacReady
By TrojMacReady (Nov 4, 2011)

Low DOF? They have similarly sized sensors...
And its the gain that defines sensitivity. +18dB in the case of the Sony, which equates to a measured ISO 6400.

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AshMills
By AshMills (Nov 4, 2011)

Troy I think you need to learn a little bit more about gain vs camera sensitivity. Gain is just amplification of the signal you have to start with.

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cactusgeorge
By cactusgeorge (Nov 4, 2011)

As per Canon Rumors
http://www.canonrumors.com/

Canon USA Announces Cinema EOS C300 and EOS C300 PL Cameras

Specifications

8.3mp 2160×3840 Super-35 CMOS sensor (4K resolution)
DIGIC DVIII Processor
Canon XF Codec
Dual Compact Flash Slots
Exposure and focus are both manual only
Uses existing BP-955 and BP-975 batteries
Sold as a system, including LCD monitor / XLR audio unit, side grip, and top handle.
Availability: Jan. 2012; Price: appx. $16,000 USD

New Lenses (PL & EF Versions)

Canon Zoom Lens CN-E14.5-60mm T2.6 L S
Canon Zoom Lens CN-E14.5-60mm T2.6 L SP
Canon Zoom Lens CN-E30-300mm T2.95-3.7 L S
Canon Zoom Lens CN-E30-300mm T2.95-3.7 L SP

Three New Primes for EF Mount Only

Canon Prime Lens CTZ-029 (24mm)
Canon Prime Lens CTZ-030 (50mm)
Canon Prime Lens CTZ-031 (85mm)

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Sdaniella
By Sdaniella (Nov 4, 2011)

http://www.engadget.com/2011/11/03/the-canon-hollywood-event-liveblog

C300 is 1080p output... because:

3840 x 2160 = 8,294,400 or 8.3MP
R=1920x1080
G=1920x1080
B=1920x1080

and FF 1D X... whazzat other dSLR shown beside the C300???
why the 'Red C'... 1D X renamed 1D C... or instead 5DMkIII dubbed 5D C?

so far... this is what 1D X video looks like:
notice low light situation... just in case folks don't 'get it'...
http://cweb.canon.jp/camera/eosd/eosmovie/index.html

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saralecaire
By saralecaire (Nov 4, 2011)

How did you figure that?
Would it be 3x (one for each pri color) 1920x1080?
That only gives about 6.2MP

Btw are u a Canon employee? Your comments sure are something :)

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getman
By getman (Nov 4, 2011)

guess it's because there are two arrays of G1920*1080 which gives the +2Mp

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hazydave
By hazydave (Dec 23, 2011)

It is a single Bayer sensor matrix at 3840x2160. The image processing software does not do typical Bayer interpolation. Rather it "buckets" one R, one B, and two G pixels to make one video pixel to pass on to encoding.

Nothing new here, move along. Canon and others have been doing the same things, in consumer camcorders and DSLRs, for years, maybe decades.

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Bryan Campbell
By Bryan Campbell (Nov 4, 2011)

I'm curious to see how this compares to RED's cameras.

Also note that Engadget says the 3 new primes will work on our still cameras... Assuming that wasn't an error. The new 50mm 1.3L this could be the 50mm that everyone has been begging for.

Engadget " 7:41PM There's three EF prime lenses as well, 24mm, 50mm, and 85mm models. They also work well with EOS still image cameras as well. "

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tulo
By tulo (Nov 4, 2011)

"The new 50mm 1.3L this could be the 50mm that everyone has been begging for."
couldnt it just be the 50/1.2L that already exists in a new packaging?

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AshMills
By AshMills (Nov 4, 2011)

Albeit MF only.

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AshMills
By AshMills (Nov 4, 2011)

And that they may not cover full frame- I would be VERY surprised if the 30-300 did cover FF for example.

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IcyVeins
By IcyVeins (Nov 4, 2011)

Another toy for rich people. How about something under $1000?

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tkbslc
By tkbslc (Nov 4, 2011)

The reason it was released in hollywood is that it isn't a toy at all. It is a serious video camera for pro work.

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shaocaholica
By shaocaholica (Nov 4, 2011)

Except the 'pros' don't all have $20k just for a camera body. There are a lot of 'Pros' shooting commercials for big clients and still using 'toy' priced DSLRs.

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Eugenia LoliQueru
By Eugenia LoliQueru (Nov 4, 2011)

I'm still confused about if it's 4k or not. They say the sensor is 4k, but they also say that it records 1080p in CF cards (at 50 mbps mpeg2). So does this mean that it doesn't record in 4k at all, or that it captures 4k RAW via HD-SDI? This has not been clear by any news outlet so far that's been covering the event.

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graybalanced
By graybalanced (Nov 4, 2011)

Read the dvinfo link posted further down. It uses the extra resolution so that when it's done sampling red, green, and blue, the resulting resolution is enough for 1080p:

"Canon says that their Digic DV III processor reads this new sensor differently; it does not use the line-skipping method found in high-res HD-DSLR sensors. Instead, every four pixels (two green, one red, and one blue) are sampled for each final output pixel. In other words, color is assembled the same way as a traditional three-chip sensor blockā€¦ two megapixels of red, two megapixels of blue and four megapixels of green (twice as much green as red or blue, since green carries the luminance info). Each primary color sampling off of the sensor is native 1920×1080, each color value alone is equal to the final output resolution."

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Cy Cheze
By Cy Cheze (Nov 4, 2011)

So is this more or less a one-sensor equivalent of what other devices achieve by using three (red, blue, green) sensors? The net result is still 1920x1080 (60i or 30p), right?

This is not a 4k camera and does not appear to offer 1080 60p or 50p either. Very likely the 5D Miii won't be, either.

I don't understand why anyone would invest in a high-end video camera that cannot also shoot at least bits of 4k video. 4k is essential if there is to be any cropping. Some theaters also use 4k or 8k projectors, and 8k would be the natural mate for a 70mm-type film production.

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Tom Bird
By Tom Bird (Nov 4, 2011)

exactly

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makofoto
By makofoto (Nov 4, 2011)

8.3 megapixel 2160×3840 Super-35 CMOS sensor (4K resolution) with Digic DV III processor

This is a Pro camera, ie. no AE or AF

DVinfo write up:

http://www.dvinfo.net/article/acquisition/canon-eos/canon-usa-announces-cinema-eos-c300-and-eos-c300-pl-cameras.html

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Ashley Pomeroy
By Ashley Pomeroy (Nov 4, 2011)

Coo - but is that 35mm full-frame, or another format?

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tkbslc
By tkbslc (Nov 4, 2011)

It is roughly the same size as a FF sensor, but it is 16:9 ratio. Since they support EF lenses, I would guess it is the same width as a FF sensor, but not as tall.

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Almeida
By Almeida (Nov 4, 2011)

It's another format. Super 35mm sensor it's about the size of APS-C and it's a standard in movies.

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tulo
By tulo (Nov 4, 2011)

if it is a super-35 sensor, it should be closer to APS-C in DSLR terms

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abortabort
By abortabort (Nov 4, 2011)

Super 35 is different from full frame, in stills cameras the 35mm film moves horizontally across the camera, so in landscape orientation (films are only ever shot in landscape of course) the frame is as tall as the film will allow physically, but is wider on a ratio of 3:2 so it is 50% wider than it is tall. In motion picture cameras the film moves through vertically, with the width of the film being the maximum width of the frame and captured by a ratio of 16:9 or 1.85 times wider than it is tall.

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DSPographer
By DSPographer (Nov 4, 2011)

24.5mm x 13.5mm So about the same as APS-C still sensor:
http://twitter.com/#!/mikeseymour/status/132248706174038017

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AshMills
By AshMills (Nov 4, 2011)

In other words the 5D mk3 (or even possibly MK2) with its full frame chip could be more sensitive (less noisy) than this DX sized camera.

5D will still be the go-to for uber-low DOF filming so popular at the moment..(especially if you can my 10 of them for one of these!)

This:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/11/03/canon-has-a-new-eos-movies-dslr-on-the-way-too/
is more interesting to me...

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getman
By getman (Nov 4, 2011)

2 abortabort: it cannot be wider than FF still sensors and use the same lenses, so as said above, it should be roughly the same width but not as tall

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AshMills
By AshMills (Nov 4, 2011)

Oh, or a RED scarlet S, with EF mount perhaps. ;-)

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RicBoks
By RicBoks (Nov 4, 2011)

This camera has 8 million pixels, but only HD-Video with 2 million pixels.
This camera is worth 20K if it was possible to capture video in 4K format ( 8 million pixels ).
So it is better to buy a 4k RED camera with Canon EF mount

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hazydave
By hazydave (Dec 23, 2011)

The claim is that it's close to Super35mm. The Super35 format is about 24.9mm x 18.9mm... it's production-onky, as it takes up the traditional audio track. This gained popularity over the recent decade or two. For film, it was just a bit more area on the 35mm stock. For TV, it tosses out about the same content for a 4:3 or 16:9 crop.

This seems to have a 24.6mm x 13.8mm sensor. That's Super35 with the 16:9 crop already applied. Which seem fine for TV and video today, thoughfor this price, you'd really like to see 4K. But this is typical. One reason the video DSLR was such a revolution is that the traditional video market, from consumer to pro, moves in baby steps. I would be surprised if there isn't a 4K camera out for well under $5K in the next two years. But almost certainly not from anyone's vudeo division. Nikon! Buhler!

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