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Sony releases firmware v1.04 for SLT-A77 and SLT-A65

By dpreview staff on Nov 29, 2011 at 18:26 GMT

Sony has released the long-rumored firmware v1.04 update for its A77 and A65 SLT models. The updates add two more lenses to the list that the cameras can correct for and also promise to improve image quality, response time and 'usability.' The updates are currently available in Asia and Europe but haven't been formally announced in the US. Following our reviews of the SLT-A77 and SLT-A65 we will install the latest firmware and update the reviews as necessary. Update: Firmware v1.04 now also available from Sony US.

The updates for both cameras promise the following improvements:

1. The number of automatic compensation compliant lenses supported has been expanded.

  • Vario-Sonnar T* DT 16-80mm F3.5-4.5 ZA (SAL1680Z)
  • DT 16-105mm F3.5-5.6 (SAL16105)

2. Functional improvements.

  • Improvement of response time.
  • Improvement of picture quality.
  • Improvement of usability.

Windows users:

Click here to download firmware v1.04 for SLT-A65V

Click here to download firmware v1.04 for SLT-A77V

Apple users:

Click here to download firmware v1.04 for SLT-A65V

Click here to download firmware v1.04 for SLT-A77V

Comments

Total comments: 48
Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Dec 10, 2011)

Frankly, I would rather operate focus and everything else on a camera/lens by hand, than have the poor camera try its damnest to set proper focal length on a moving subject AND set shutter speed AND set aperture AND set proper auto white balance, and so forth, all in full-auto. I mean, in such a full auto mode, even if the camera can ace the focal length changes w/o any hunting, how about when you say pan from a dark area to a bright area, and the poor thing makes a sudden jump in your iris setting? I would hate to see that.

Last thing I would want the a77/a65 do for me in video recording is to automatically switch up to a higher-noise high-ISO setting. Brrrrr....

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Dec 10, 2011)

Yeah, the Sony SLT has phase-detect autofocus is supposed to be good and fast even in video capture mode. But.... and this is a huge BUT indeed.... when you use the Sony Alpha 77 (or Alpha 65) in video mode and with an AF lens, the camera rearranges itself to run in full auto mode only like any $80 point-and-shoot, i.e. you cannot control ANYTHING on the camera while shooting video. If you want manual iris and manual shutter speed controls on the Sony, you have to disengage the autofocus and set focus manually.

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Dec 10, 2011)

Hopefully in the spirit of Christmas, Sony can also swap-out the a65/a77 monster-pixel CMOS sensor and replace it with something a bit more usable. Something way less noisy at higher ISOs, I mean.

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JR Johnson
By JR Johnson (Dec 2, 2011)

Come on, a Major Media Company with Mega Resources and the manufacturer of the very chips used by their competition with obviously bright designers, engineers, and programers and they fall flat in low light sensitivity. Obviously they unlike Fuji and other Manufacturers haven't been reading DPReview. Maybe someone should enlighten them. Maybe they really aren't interested garnering as much Market Share as we think. And as such I will not likely be buying an a65 as planed regardless, but will likely go a580 if a Sony at all at this point.

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JR Johnson
By JR Johnson (Dec 2, 2011)

Thank You, BMWX5, cplunk etal~
Yes, I realize there is the flash option. However when shooting macro in my favorite nursery either early morning or late evening I prefer existing light which is usually defuse and spotty through surrounding foliage. And my light source is always moving so my response needs to be fast and flash for me is not an option as it will washout the back ground I prize as much as the flowers. Of late having acquired a decent tripod I've taken to never leaving home without my pack with includes my D'oh! tripod. So yes, I could very well compensate with exposure length and offset low light inequity. In situations other than my penchant for. That said it still is incredulous that cameras designed to compete against Nikon, Canon, and whoever else would still have less than stellar spec's. While the camera's themselves may indeed be great in a number of area's if I were Sony~ I'd be frankly~embarrassed!

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tesch
By tesch (Dec 1, 2011)

Wow! Great upgrade! My camera is now able to see through people's clothes! Thanks Sony! :)

It's a joke, just like this update....I don't see a bit of difference after the upgrade. But it doesn't matter because I still love this camera. Best camera evar!

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TOOBAD2
By TOOBAD2 (Nov 30, 2011)

Sony said to wait for the US - Canadian version. which is on their site now. 30-11-11.I was told not to use the Asian version.

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BMWX5
By BMWX5 (Nov 30, 2011)

Any reason why Sony had told you not to install the Asian version?

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TOOBAD2
By TOOBAD2 (Nov 30, 2011)

NO REASON GIVEN , BUT I WOULD RATHER GET THE US VERSION. SOME THINGS ARE SET UP DIFFERENT OVER SEAS.

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inFocus
By inFocus (Dec 1, 2011)

The US version is exactly the same as the Asian version. Same checksums and signed with the same certificate. It is indeed a universal updater file for all regions.

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TOOBAD2
By TOOBAD2 (Dec 1, 2011)

MAYBE YOU SHOULD PUT YOUR PHONE NUMBER ON THE SONY SITE SO WE ALL COULD GET THE RIGHT INFORMATION. SOMETIMES IT'S HARD TO GET THE RIGHT INFORMATION. JAPAN , UK , CANADA AND THE US VERSION. WHY ARE THERE SO MANY ?

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Aussie inthe US
By Aussie inthe US (Nov 30, 2011)

Does anyone know if this firmware fixes the RAW image setting being overridden by the panorama sweep.

I've noticed a problem with my A77 that if the image setting is set to RAW and you then change to panorama sweep and take a photo (always saved in JPG), when returning to the original mode, say Aperture priority, the image setting is now JPG. It seems to be somewhat inconsistent but I've been able to duplicate the problem several times. I'm really hoping they fixed this in 1.04.

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ckarv
By ckarv (Nov 30, 2011)

Has someone already made proper image quality comparisons?

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pureaxis
By pureaxis (Nov 30, 2011)

Exact changes from Sony USA

This utility updates the SLT-A77V camera firmware to version 1.04 and provides the following benefits:
•Provides support for the following automatic compensation compliant lenses:
◦Vario-Sonnar T DT 16-80mm F3.5-4.5 ZA (SAL1680Z)
◦DT 16-105mm F3.5-5.6 (SAL16105)
•Improves the responses for the front/rear dials when assigned for exposure compensation
•Improves picture quality for 24p movie recording (NTSC regions only)
•Improves overexposed images while in ADI flash control
•Improves usability

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KentG
By KentG (Nov 30, 2011)

It is NOT the same chip as the D7000/K-5. That chip is 16 MP while the A77/A65 is 24 MP. The 16 MP chip is known for extended hi-ISO performance while the 24 MP chip is pretty much normal in ISO, meaning higher is noisier.

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TrojMacReady
By TrojMacReady (Nov 30, 2011)

Both sensors are about equal at high ISO too.

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JR Johnson
By JR Johnson (Nov 30, 2011)

It would be a major improvement if the firmware update corrected for the unforgivable low light performance from Sony's newest and highly advanced camera's. Which use the same APS-c Chip as the D7000, which they sell to Nikon and the a77 and a65 don't even hold a candle to its excellent low light low noise abilities.

I frankly can't fathom the releasing these almost great near do wells with such poor results in this area. I also find it amazing they can post such high review numbers when they clearly fall short in such a way regardless of the in camera Shake Reduction.

Well actually I can fathom it. They call it the Holiday Buying Season. And they seem to have taken a page from PC Game Development Company's who like to cash in before the product is really out of Beta Testing. Where in they release an as yet final product then scramble to add the games needed patches because they have a pent up market and want to strike while the iron is hot.

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BMWX5
By BMWX5 (Nov 30, 2011)

It happens to every brand even for Nikon and Canon. Just recently, Canon released a patch for a camera that was released two years ago.

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cplunk
By cplunk (Nov 30, 2011)

Some of us use our cameras when the sun is out, or we turn lots of lights on indoors, and do not value high ISO low light performance beyond all other attributes.

I can understand is this is a priority for you. In 90% of the settings that I have limited light, I do have the option to use a flash. And I have 3 of them that I am still learning to use together with wireless control, but haven't spent much time trying out with my new A77. In every situation that I have used it so far is has excelled far beyond the A330 that it upgraded.

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Rule 34
By Rule 34 (Nov 30, 2011)

"the unforgivable low light performance from Sony's newest and highly advanced camera's."
From their highly advanced camera's WHAT? The suspense is killing me!

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Magnus W
By Magnus W (Nov 30, 2011)

Noise performance area-for-area is exactly the same as from the much loved 16Mp NEX-5n, D7000 et al chip. If you compare pixel-for-pixel, yes, performance is worse with the higher resolution chip. But that is only interesting if you are interested in stating the obvious.

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Der Steppenwolf
By Der Steppenwolf (Nov 30, 2011)

KentG is correct, this chip and chip in D7000/A580/K5 are two totally different things. Get your facts right.

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Hughineugene
By Hughineugene (Nov 30, 2011)

I upgraded to 1.04 on my Mac 10.7.2. If others are running in 64-bit and get a message to use 32 bit, the way to do that is to reboot holding down the 3 and the 2 keys. After the upgrade, you can reboot and it will go back to 64 bit.
I think.
Hugh

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Mssimo
By Mssimo (Nov 30, 2011)

I wonder if you hold down the 1 2 and 8 key if you can boot into a 128bit system ;)

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mrhajitjackson
By mrhajitjackson (Nov 30, 2011)

Thanks for the post. I was wondering how to do that. Your post was very helpful.

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HDaRt
By HDaRt (Nov 29, 2011)

I hear firmware 1.05 will be released shortly; Noise Ninja. Okay, maybe not, but it would be nice to gift this software to buyers of the a65/77.

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Mssimo
By Mssimo (Nov 30, 2011)

so firmware 1.05 will include a copy of Noise Ninja?

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HDaRt
By HDaRt (Nov 30, 2011)

No. But it would be a good idea.

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Cy Cheze
By Cy Cheze (Nov 30, 2011)

Firmware 1.05 = a88. Body to appear in 2013 for $1,200. New sensor with more pixels and more noise, plus new proprietary battery in short supply. USB3 port not until 2015, when USB4 rolls ouit on PCs.

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TrojMacReady
By TrojMacReady (Nov 30, 2011)

Most camera makers switch batteries far more often than Sony does.
And as a successor to the A700, the A77 has far less noise.

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Oveerik
By Oveerik (Nov 29, 2011)

The installation is not really that complicated, only the instructions are very presize and after reading through the whole thing it was easy to follow the steps.

And my camera became quicker, and do I really see a little enhancement at 3200 ISO?

Very good SONY, keep up the good work.

PS SONY: Find some one with english as mother toungue when writing instuction manuals for cameras!

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scomar
By scomar (Nov 29, 2011)

Yeah, I've noticed how firmware updates can improve picture quality, as in, noise reduction. I noticed it especially on my D80 with the last update that was issued for it. First time I looked at a higher ISO file from my D80 after the firmware update, I thought I forgot to turn up the ISO... My paranoid theory is, they already have the technology to offer noiseless images at any ISO, they're just parceling it out in small doses from model to model release to keep selling camera bodies...yeah, I know, nonsense...

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Gil Knutson
By Gil Knutson (Nov 30, 2011)

Yeah, I know one is paranoid to think such things... but it coincides so well with what we see. :)

Ergo! I think you are probably right with your theory.

And, the head honchos of the Big Camera Companies have secret meetings which divvy out which cool features each model will have, so that no single company ever gets "The Perfect Camera". Otherwise, how come, with our technology, do you get a great camera with 90% of the features we want, but Company B has all of those features, but lacks others you want.

Sigh! You have to be right! ;)

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Alphachimp
By Alphachimp (Nov 29, 2011)

HX100V needs a firmware update desperately. Many users are stuck with an LCD that displays blown out saturation(especially reds) and contrast. In video mode the display is fine so it's not a hardware(LCD) problem. Mostly those bought in Canada, India and UK seem to have this problem while others don't..

So far Sony has refused to acknowledge this problem even though many people have informed them of this specific issue.

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ckarv
By ckarv (Nov 29, 2011)

The instructions for upgrading are quite..overwhelming. Looks like at least 50 steps explaining how to do something fairly simple.

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Cy Cheze
By Cy Cheze (Nov 29, 2011)

"Improve picture quality"? Specifically what? Some may assume it pertains to high ISO JPEG results, but does Sony actually say this? Can owners say whether the downloads include a TXT file that elaborates?

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Kilrah
By Kilrah (Nov 29, 2011)

Sony doesn't give any details.

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BMWX5
By BMWX5 (Nov 29, 2011)

ISO 3200 has improved! Check SAR discussion..

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Doug Frost
By Doug Frost (Nov 29, 2011)

By definition, a picture shot in RAW is direct data from the camera's sensor before any in-camera processing is applied. Therefore it's reasonable to assume that whatever improvements the new firmware makes to image quality relate to in-camera JPEGs only, not RAW images.

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WMcCann
By WMcCann (Nov 30, 2011)

In theory yes, but as far as I remember Sony actually does some processing on the image sensor (noise reduction) before it sends the image to the camera - that certainly was the case with the A700 - and was seen as a limitation of the camera - no true RAW.

W.

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Doug Frost
By Doug Frost (Nov 30, 2011)

well, that would blow if true.

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JohanBe
By JohanBe (Sep 28, 2012)

so firmware update 1.04 and 1.05 do not give any significant improvement in jpeg quality for the A65?
i.e. still as fuzzy as dpreview review states?

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Lurker2525
By Lurker2525 (Nov 29, 2011)

Wow!

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CBEV Media
By CBEV Media (Nov 30, 2011)

Has anyone tried reducing the A65/A77 to the 12MP setting for lower light scenarios? Would this reduce the noise at higher ISOs?

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Der Steppenwolf
By Der Steppenwolf (Nov 30, 2011)

No it would not.

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jasonasselin
By jasonasselin (Dec 2, 2011)

yes it would. just like printing a 10x15 instead of a 20x30. try it. i did. i think alot of people here dont print and dont ever see the true capabilitys of cameras today. just like how you dont see noise on 4x6's even from compacts. (usually)

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Mr Mcbit
By Mr Mcbit (Dec 3, 2011)

You may get a tiny bit less noise, but JPEG artifacts will outweigh the benefits. Sony, if you are listening, REDUCE JPEG COMPRESSSION, offer EXTRA FINE setting in the A65!

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JohanBe
By JohanBe (Sep 26, 2012)

so firmware update 1.04 and 1.05 do not give any significant improvement in jpeg quality for the A65?
i.e. still as fuzzy as dpreview review states?

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Total comments: 48