Video Interview: Chuck Westfall of Canon at PPE 2011: Digital Photography Review

Both are wearing microphones, but we don't seem to be getting audio from them. It sounds like the on-camera or in-camera microphone was used instead, maybe by accident.

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We used Lav mics on both Chuck and Amadou. The expo was very noisy which definitely comes through in audio, but in-camera sound with the type of background noise going on would be impossible.

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Tripod? Microphone? Without either, this video is pretty poor.

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I liked what Chuck had to say.

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I think what we should take away from the new 1D-X and the Westfall interview is that Canon is attempting to serve three different market segments with only one model. And if you want the best features in any one of the segments you must accept the design compromises, and the increased pricetag, that come with combining them into a one-size-fits-all camera.

The three groups will now all be forced to use a model not specifically designed to fit their needs. This probably makes sense for Canon's bottom line as producing one good model is undoubtedly cheaper than producing three good models, but it does not serve the consumer well at all. In the long run this type of corporate decision making will drive formerly loyal Canonites to look for alternatives.

Personally, I'm beginning to think about when would be the best time to unload my very heavy investment in L glass.

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I think Canon says goodbye to 35 mm studio photography and leaves this segment to 50+ MP medium format cameras. They go for photojournalism (all sorts including sports, wildlife) and enthusiasts, high-end available light photography + video making. Future will tell us if this is a wise decision or not.

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Interesting to see if and which one of the big players comes out first with a high end DSLR that combines a really good optical vievfinder with an electronic one - a sort of Fuji X100 transformed to a real DSLR. I often dream of such a feature e.g. when shooting macros or wildlife with tele: getting a sort of switch-in electronic magnifying feature within the viewfinder without losing the benefits of a classical optical picture 'd be really great. So, please, Canon, can you hear me? :-)

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Look forward to the specs of a next generation 5D/III. A better AF system and an 18 MP full frame sensor with big pixels and extreme low light capability 'd really drive me to get one.

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Ehmmm.... isn't what you request the EOS 1D X?
But then smaller in size?

I think 5DIII will get more megapixels, but sort of the same AF, meaby only just better then the current AF in the 5D2 to not compete with the one series.

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I doubt they would make the mistake of making the 5DIII just a cheaper 1DX, That's how they torpedoed their sales of the 1DS mark III. My guess is the 5DIII will be around 24-28 megapixels and have the AF from the 60D or maybe 7D if we are lucky and cost around $3000 USD for the body only package.

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EOS Photographer: exactly! The bodies of the EOS 1 like pro DSLR are to big for my taste. A removable battery grip is much more flexible, I think.

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Another Chuck Westall interview from Photoplus Expo:
http://www.fotosidan.se/cldoc/webb-tv-chuck-westfall-about-canon.htm

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Is there a transcript of this to read somewhere?

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As much as I like to „watch” TV in the background, for news that I care I preffer the written version. Yea, making video interviews/reviews etc. is hip and cool, but can't really concentrate on what's important.
So please... Next time you do a video interview, at least give us the transcript (or, better yet, edit the written form like you'd normally do for any article).
I hate to think what would happen if DPreview would start making video reviews...

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We hear you, and we plan to transcribe interviews of this nature moving forward

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Scott when is Canon planning on releasing updates to the cameras, i plan on dropping my 600D and buying a 7D, but have been advised to wait for an update by a canon enthusiast.. Advise pls asap..thanks

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Asked abou a professional body for the pros who prefer a smaller body, he plugs the s100.... priceless. Canon is a joke.

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Canon needs to get with the times and drop the mirror..

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What are you on about???

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You must have missed it; Canon did drop the mirror. Thousands of times, in fact. They'll even fix anyone's 5D Classic for free when the mirror falls out! One man's bug is another man's feature.

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Guess what, some of us like looking at a real image. Mirrorless is fine if your priority is weight saving, my priority is not.
Heaven forbid I have to work with a electronic image at the standard they are now.

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Ahh, the dream of being put on the spot! This industry is famous for hiding it's plans, and it's easy to see why with the competition lurking around every corner! For me, I think the 18MP stand is the right way to do it. Make better pictures, first and foremost. They're promising better DR, better ISO, cleaner images, higher frame rate, better video...what else is there? For those that are so keen on 1080p at 60fps, that would of course be a bonus but it's not the careful optical quality Canon is known for. 24 and 30 are reasonable rates of capture for Professional use, slow motion effects are less common and still doable with today's software. Chuck said what he was allowed to say, we just have to wait a month or two and jump in with our wallets open! :)
For those naysayers out there...the higher density of my 7D cannot produce comparable images to my 5DC, given the same lens same situ it just doesn't compare, so afaic the Classic is still in the game!

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CW looks like he wants to jumpship to Nikon ;)

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I like the specs of the 1dx but please make 2 versions the second one smaller without the grip shoots 8fps and I'll buy that for 4000$

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8 fps will be a much cheaper camera I think. much easier to make.

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I will be waiting for the follower of the Canon EOS 5D Mark II, a much modern version, perhaps the Canon EOS 5D Mark III?, I like very much that line, a more portable camera in full format, and not so bulky and expensive as the 1D line.

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well, they say Canon have been listening to what we want - maybe they have been looking at the wrong forums - cause all the ones I'm part of want a digital version of the EOS3 - for years now we have been crying out for it, something that is more a dedicated wedding / portrait camera. HEY CHUCK IF YOU HAPPEN TO BE WATCHING A RERUN - read this...

Craig

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Looks like I'll be waiting for the 1D-X mkII.

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+1. and better with three-times of MPs.

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Presumably you spoke to Nikon too?

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that is the worst interview i have ever seen……..

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ask questions people cannot answer or get answers that people don't what to listen, that's a question.

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4 years in the making for V1/J1? I don't think so.
A guess: The next (to next) pro/semi pro Nikon DSLR will be mirrorless. "All digital" is what it's all about.

Canon continues to invest on "more" rather than on "new".

PS
This Chuck guy reminds me of American automobile industry managers of old.

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As we approach Christmas Shopping Season, it would be extremely dumb for Canon to give details about future models. They want you to buy what they have now, not wait for the future.

He basically said that the G-series price point competes with low-end DSLRs, and that they need to improve G-series image quality in order to be competitive. To me, that means that G-Next will have a larger sensor.

Canon previously stated that they plan on releasing some kind of "competes with mirrorless" camera in 2012. It could be some kind of mini-DSLR, it could be a new mirrorless model, it could be a significantly upgraded G-Series camera, it could be...

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A bit OT, if I scroll up and down on this page using up&down arrows on keyboard, sound volumes varies.
Is that the volume issues ppl have talked about?

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The only thing I learned from this interview is that I may spend my money elsewhere. Nothing new from Canon.

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I was looking forward to this interview but now I'm feeling seasick.

Seriously the iPhone 4S has better video stabilisation than whatever was used for this interview.

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you arent't serious..are you?

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Well, not sure about iPhone 4S, but cameraman should ease up on coffee or beer.. Would be easiest to get Sony A77 and shoot it on that.. (it can stabilise video very very nicely).

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I agree that it wasn't the fault of the camera as much as it was of the cameraman.

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good interview..but he does not know what canon is planing next for sure..canon is secretive and only very few people in japan only have the the knowledge because they are involved in the planing actively.

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wired LAN? seriously? no WIFI?
I love to jump around with a cable attached to my camera... NOT!

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Then this camera is clearly not intended for you!

Because:
A) Downloading 1200 pictures over a wireless network connection takes ages.
B ) Downloading those same 1200 images over a wired 1gigabit connection is way faster then downloading them via a USB Compact Flash Card Reader.

But you where too willing to give off on the camera and didn't want to think about it I guess.

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I think LAN is pretty great idea.. btw. it should be possible to do wireless battery powered modem or something to use that LAN connection and transfer it wirelessly..

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Yeah, you do, I have this Chinese/Korean /Taiwanese portable wifi modem, plug in a usb internet dongle at one end it converts it into a wifi hub, you can also take a wired lan out from it.

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A photo-journalist sometimes needs a means for a fast and simple upload of a few pictures, not 1200 in one hit.

At this price point, WiFi should be integrated (the parts cost next to nothing).

The $600 price for a WiFi dongle is a disgrace - for that price point I would have expected a multi-radio device with cellular support to allow a journalist to send a few critical images without needing access to a computer or wired network.

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Why would you want built in WiFi? You must not do any overseas travel. Their are a few countries that will not allow you to take a WiFi enabled device (including WiFi phones, not 3g\4g) in their country. I know, I've had items checked at the port and have had one phone confiscated because it could use WiFi. If you can afford the 1D-X, you can afford a Wireless card, if you really want something that slow to transfer photos.

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@Lost in Time
A built in LAN port is much more versatile then a wireless lan connection, e.g. you can connect the camera directly to your laptop and start downloading the images. Before you've even setup the wifi connection all pictures have already been downloaded to your laptop already. Even if it are only few pictures.

All photojournalists that I know want to download those pictures to their laptops first before they are send over to Reuters or whatever agency they work for.
F.Y.I; They take a lot more pictures than that one shot that ends up in the newspaper. Often they need to make a selection out of a few hundred pictures taken.

Then there are also many more photographers then PJ's or sportsphotographers. Let say a weddingphotographer easily takes over 1200 shots for a days work at a wedding.

Those who can afford a 1D X can also afford the wireless transmitter. I am very glad to see that 1D X has a wired ethernet connection and it makes a lot of sense to me.

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...maybe he was not allowed to comment anything about the 5D development....
In mirrorless department - it's better doing nothing then something like Nikon V1?

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It appears Canon is only interested in the really high end and the really low end, nothing in the middle. Oh well...

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Huh, how'd you reach that conclusion? Do you really think they're going to abandon the 60D / 7D market? And do you really think Canon's going to talk about their future product plans publically? Get a clue.

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A completely unfounded conclusion. Because CW didn't mention the 60D in the interview doesn't mean Canon is going to abandon the xxD series.
People please think before you post something.

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Actually Nikon want the low end and Canon own the middle and high end. Nikon are going to focus on small compact cameras as they believe they can compete with Panasonic and Canon... What a mistake to make...

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There is no way that 5D mkII will be end of the line. 5D line is most popular line in low end segment. 5D line is one of the smartest moves ever made by Canon.

Maybe it will not be a big step in the resolution but I am sure will make great progress in other things that are really lacked - especially autofocus.

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Personally, I'd like to read a transcript of that interview. English isn't my native language and Mr Westfall swallowed half of what he said so I didn't get it.

I'm particularly interested in what he said about the 5d line and the mirroress cameras (seems there is no hope for one ? Right ?) they should look at the Kodak example and how they went down out of the fear of cannibalizing their film production through digital ! )

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Basically, Westfall said that if you want something better than the S100 or G12, you should get a Rebel. He doesn't appear to think there's either a need or room for a mirrorless line from Canon. He really didn't say anything about the 5D line other than stating the obvious, which is that the 5D Mk II and 7d are for people (pros) who are either on a budget or need the smaller size/lighter weight.

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very good point about cannibalizing. I never did understand corporate's position on 'not cannibalizing' their existing products.

Don't they get it (the clue really is in the word!) - it is not products that get cannibalised, it is customers. And who would they rather cannibalised their customers; themselves, or another company?

Effectively what they are saying is "we won't offer our customers CSC's for fear that they might buy them". Madness, and Kodak proved the point perfectly.

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No, what Canon is saying is "we aren't going to tell you about our future plans."

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I think 18 mp of 1dx is more than enough. I seriously thinking about upgrading my 7D to this cam. Better low light and durability, better focus and more than enough mp for making even big prints - thats what i need. The only limiting factor here is price.

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and reach...

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He didn't answer the mirrorless question.......
I dont see why mirrorless and the dslr form factor have to be mutually exclusive things. Im sure lots of photographers could appreciate the benefits of mirrorless and dslr ergonomics simulteanously.

Also, new doesn't always mean better. The 1Dx could wipe the floor just by being an improvement upon old tech.

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Many photographers already do. The Pansonic GH2 is a perfect example, and has become my most used camera.

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I agree. I think Canon could well go for a successful mirrorless APS series with adapters for their current lenses + new pancake leneses - just parallel to its DSLRs. I'd like to have a smaller mirrorless body as a backup for my smaller lenses (not the teles, of course). I think Canon could do a much better job in terms of ergonomics than Sony with its NEX series.

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I'm still didn't know what the 1DX is more progress than 1D or 1Ds or 5D II? Or I just can think 1D X may more price the other modle?

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Canon may be a big company, but they are loosing it 5D mark 2 has a good sensor, but that is about it. There is no canon dslr that can make a sharp picture at low light, handheld.

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what funny guys your are.
there are millions of profressionals, including me, outside who are making their good living with canon cameras.
the unsatified ones are the forum-geeks, beginners and the kind of "canon 5d does Venice, LA or Cuba" guys. everytime you read that line you exactly know what crap you're gonna get, whining all about at: canon stuff cant AF.

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Ren, do some reading about cameras and you will find that it is more likely that you are the problem and not the camera.

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Hi Aus_pic_hunter, with all respect, i am a prof. photographer, and work with 5Dmark2 at studio. works ok, we use no canon lenses, but schneider and rodenstock lenses sp made for digital use. For low light use, the canon, like every canon is almost useless, always if you blow up to 100 % on photoshop you see camera shake, no sharp photos. really need 1/125 at least to have some sharpness.
Can use stabilized lenses , maybe will help, but cannot use 85 1,4 or 50 1,4. If we use Sony 900 or Pentax, we have antishake in camera and always razorsharp images, even used with 1/15 of a second, and can use fast lenses. Have never heard these real complaints by pro nikon users, but all prof canon users i know admit this. They say, it's sharp enough for me

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Wired LAN drops at professional sporting events? Where is he shooting? Every pro sporting event I have been at has wireless. Have yet to see a media room that has 25 network drops for the photographers to use, everyone uses wireless.

C'mon add wifi especially since I will no longer be able to use my eye fi card in the studio. \

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If it has an RJ45 plug it will be able to take any wireless modem you'd be able to fit in the plug won't it ? Better than a costly add-on a la Nikon ?

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should be great for studio use. but how many will use in studio is the question.

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Nikon Here i come...

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Is it the best to have 30mp and a lens that can resolve 8-9mp, or a clean 12mp hmmm ,i would go with the 12mp and use ps to add pixels .if you want 30-40mp buy a medium format,they have the high res lenses you need.

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Um, plenty of companies make lenses that can stand up to the scrutiny of the most dense sensors.

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You are obviously out of touch with the real world. The Nikon 24 MP FF sensor resolves a whole lot more than their 12 MP FF sensor. If they adopt the 36 MP FF sensor next, expect another leap in resolution

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several hundred MPs should be possible, the limit of optical lenses. current technology can do 100 MP if not for speed. no need to go medium. the key is good glasses, not the format.

* I mean output MPs. a future sensor could have billions of MPs, totally different technology than we have today, but only output pictures in say less than 800 MPs.

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No, the "problem" here is that I actually know what I'm talking about.

Firstly, good job not even responding to my comment with a pertinent reply.

Secondly, even the now "moderately" dense 18MP sensors in Canon's APS-C line is more dense than any current or rumored FF camera. When you stick a 70-200, for example, on a 7D, that lens has to resolve detail more accurately than it would if it was on a 5Dii or even, the future 36MP D800 because, the APS-C cameras still have smaller photosites than the full frames. Canon's version of the 70-200, particularly the new one, performs wonderfully on the crop cameras, as do many other Canon lenses.

As for diffraction; even at 36MP, the rumored new D800 still won't be as diffraction limited as the A77.

Current lenses are perfectly fine, the ones that are well designed, anyway.

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you can test a same lens on D3X and 5D2 and get better results from D3X. the extra 3MP makes the lens a "better glass" by 5% or so.

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Photo nuts, if Nikon goes to a 36 MP sensor you'll be diffraction limited at anything smaller than f5.6. Doesn't matter how sharp your lens is then. More isn't always better.

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maybe use a tripod next time?

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much better angle/perspective. The interviewer should slouch less as it makes him look weak. The sound can still be improved but it's already good. Editing is snappy. Good work dpr. Sadly though no insights can be acquired from the content of the interview. But there is nothing one can do if a company/subject isn't game enough.

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P.S. Looks like C.W is not really needed by Canon anymore - he is extremely limited what he can say. He used to be more a tech guy, now it is more about excuses and marketing.

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18MP? High-res? Really? Canon better really pray that Nikon doesn't introduced the rumored D800 with over 30MP or it will eat their lunch. I find it hard to believe that Canon is pushing this cam as their high-res solution.

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I agree. This should not be advertised as a high res camera. Instead a low light sports camera/ wildlife camrera

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If the D800 will have 36MP then my prayers go to Nikon :)
There is no way a 36MP camera can compete with an 18MP one at high ISO.
Also, there is no way I could afford it next year :)

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I agree. This should not be advertised as a high res camera. Instead a low light sports camera/ wildlife camrera??

It aint no wildlife camera for me. It sucks for wildlife.

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No one has to worry about Nikon bringing a 36 MP camera to market, under the Dx or Dxxx lines. It is a pipedream that falls apart under scrutiny by both common sense & rational analysis. All Nikon has to really do is update what they already have to somewhere in the 20 MPs and the avalanche begins (pardon the hyperbole).

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@ Andrei Todea ...
Why not? Noise handling must be about how much of the incoming light not reaching a sensor. And that is not only a MP question.
I'm sure you a re right at pixel level.

But why would a 36 MP sensor used at half res inherently be worse than a 18 MP sensor from the start.

If we look at history I think we can see that both MP count and hig ISO capabilities goes up.

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Anyone who thinks Westfall, or any other Canon official, is going to provide any real information about their future plans doesn't understand Canon, or the camera industry. What do you expect?

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18MP hi-res... for higher fps, yes of course!
too many newbies balked at 20MP+ for being 'too soft'
and given larger MP means lower limits on fastest fps, newbies also balked at the lower fps of 24MP... how fast will 30+MP be for fast continuous shooting??? not very... in fact... the slowest of all
it makes sense to go sub-20MP (anything lower should inherently offer higher fps, right? e.g. 12MP should be a cinch to go 12fps+ by now, maybe even 16-20fps!!! at full res! but alas... 10-12MP is simply not hi-res, but at least good for low res news/sports media requirements... ok... that's yesteryears needs... not tomorrows... meaning... today, now!)

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What do you mean Bob? Canon has regularly provided information about future products, the 1D X being a prime example & the 300L, 400L, 500L & 600L, the C300 series etc., just to name a few.

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@sdyue, 12MP is not high res? Really? My 5d classic is fairly high res in my opinion. Enough for life size portraits on the wall at quite close viewing distances. I can see what you mean about keeping up with market needs, but I wonder whether most people would spot the differences between 12 and 18 or 24MP without pixel peeping?

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Not to read tea leaves.

I don't care about the official nomenclature of the camera industry anymore than I care about that of the automotive industry. If a spokesman has nothing to say that will enlighten the consumer, say nothing.

It's a shame that people have come to accept this as the norm.

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i still want to know what's in store for the PowerShot G series update... a new larger sensor? 1DX attributes? M.E. (multiple exposure and more sophisticated in-camera HDR capabilities, done in a single exposure, instead of multiple, multi-ISO option for a single exposure, etc?)... updating fully to EOS-1 type controls? 24mm equivalent wide short fast zoom? hahaha, i had the G1 (shown) precursor 'exposure simulation' live preview now in EOS form 'ExpSim LV'... :D
the next G with 1080p 24p?... maybe come in Integrated Prime or Zoom Lens forms (i don't want interchangeable lens system for a prosumer... i let my dSLR live with that. meaning, i'd rather have dedicated lensed bodies... and happily get the body i want optimally integrated to the focal length lens desired.

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Thanks for summarizing Canon's thinking behind the future of the G-Series.

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Sony's swing XXX is good. but I'm more interested in "1CX", an APS-C (or super 35) mirrorless ILC that can take NEX-7 out.

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Is there anything he isn't hawking? Top end? Greater connectivity for photojournalists. Mirrorless? Pros can find a use for the miniaturization. 7D, 5D? Great budget options. G series? Excellent with room for some updating.

Bottomline? Nothing in the top-of-the-line camera that substantially improves image quality. It's a shell game with parts that offer no substantial advancements in the image.

Kudos to DP for conducting the interview.

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I think 2 stops better noise and DR have a little something to do with image quality.

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This is a big cam! Nice features.

Canon thinks it is either a S100 or asmall" DSLR. He probably could not say more, because I cannot see how you can keep saying this in a increasingly mirrorless world.

Canon needs a mirrorless cam sooner or later if they do not want to loose a large market also available to them.

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It sounds like G-Next is going to have a bigger sensor.

(Which makes me wonder if it will also have interchangable lenses too.)

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I guess the interviewer agreed beforehand not to bring up when in the heck Canon will release a 5D3. :)

In fact. Mr. Westfall spoke of the 7D and 5D2 as an ongoing products.

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Next time please use tripod then filming interview :)

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1st of all, I very much appreciate the DPreview efforts.

According to CW:
1) high speed stills
2) high res stills
3) HD video

Point 1: Looks a little bit irrelevant (10->12) but I'm not the person to judge.

Point 2: (high res stills @ 18MP) ??????

Point 3: On the emphasizes on video, where is the Full HD mentioned in the interview (1080P@60fps)?

VERY IMPORTANT!!!! How does that fit in Canon strategy with the 1D MK4???

It looks to me that people are really blind (or complete lack of choice).

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You mean YOU are blind?

1) High speed stills isnt only about FPS. The 1DX has 3!! processors in total giving the 1DX (claimed) AF and metering at a whole new level. Faster AF, more accurate AF and better metering means more keepers = faster stills.

2) 18MP is high res enough. Most ppl would never need more. And remember, we used to make billboards on 4MP DSLRS.... Enough said on that matter.

3) It has 1080p how can it be more FullHD than that?

How it fits in the stategy with 1D Mark IV? It's better in all aspects unless you need 1.3x foal length multiplication.

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Video Interview: Chuck Westfall of Canon at PPE 2011

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