Previous news story    Next news story

Canon to develop EOS DSLR with 4K video recording capability

By dpreview staff on Nov 4, 2011 at 02:00 GMT

Canon has announced it is developing a full frame EOS digital SLR that will incorporate enhanced movie recording capability. It will be able to record 4K video at a frame rate of 24P, with Motion-JPEG compression, using the central APS-H region of the sensor. No other details are yet available.

Press Release:

New Canon Digital SLR Camera Under Development

HOLLYWOOD, California, November 3, 2011/TOKYO, November 4, 2011—Canon Inc. today announced that the company is developing a new-concept EOS-series digital single-lens reflex (SLR) camera. Incorporating an enhanced version of the video-capture capability offered in the current EOS-series lineup, the new camera will be ideally suited for cinematographic and other digital high-resolution production applications. The model will be equipped with a 35 mm full-frame CMOS sensor and, enabling the recording of 4K video* (at a frame rate of 24P, with Motion-JPEG compression), will make possible the type of exceptional image quality and sublime imaging expression to be expected from the next generation of “EOS Movies.”

The announcement coincides with the launch of the Cinema EOS System, marking Canon’s full-fledged entry into the digital high-resolution production industry. The new professional digital cinematography system spans the lens, digital cinema camera and digital SLR camera product categories.

Further details regarding the new EOS digital SLR camera currently under development, including the product name, specifications and scheduled launch date, have yet to be decided.

EOS Movie: A New Industry Standard
Movie recording has been a standard feature in all newly introduced Canon EOS-series digital SLR cameras since the launch of the EOS 5D Mark II in November 2008. Coupled with the diverse array of lenses in Canon’s current interchangeable EF lens lineup, this feature has heralded rich visual expressive possibilities, delivering such characteristics as beautiful image blur and low noise while also garnering kudos for the mobility and maneuverability made possible through the cameras’ compact and lightweight body designs.

The impressive images created by the combination of Canon EOS digital SLR cameras and EF lenses, known as “EOS Movies,” have already earned their screen credentials on the sets of multiple productions, from television commercials and artist promotion videos to episodic dramas and even major motion pictures.

For more information and to view online demonstration footage of the new products please visit: www.Canoncinemaeos.com

*Cropped to APS-H-equivalent size (dimensions measuring approximately 80% vertically and horizontally of a 35 mm full-frame sensor) when recording in 4K.

Comments

Total comments: 97
Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Jan 14, 2012)

We'll believe it WHEN/IF we see it, Canon. You have been promising way too much lately, and delivering very little of the good stuff.

0 upvotes
isaacimages
By isaacimages (Nov 17, 2011)

I am a longtime still photographer. I've used the video feature on my 5DII only once. Where I work, we sell tons of gizmos -- brackets, handles, extra viewfinders, focus pullers, mounts, and mics for DSLR video use. An amazing second market industry has sprung up around these cameras to help make them into professional camcorders. Rube Goldberg would be amazed.

Hey, everyone needs a job, so I'm not knocking it at all. It's just funny to see the size & expense of a 5DII balloon to twice its original, to the point of equalling a pro camcorder. And I'm sure there are pro camcorders that allow simutaneous shooting of stills.

1 upvote
Cy Cheze
By Cy Cheze (Nov 8, 2011)

Still no commitment on date, price, or other specs. Might there be a "jr" version for under $3k? How about a T4i with 4k video????

0 upvotes
GKC
By GKC (Nov 9, 2011)

I doubt they'll put it into a Rebel... The Rebel series is aimed at the average consumer, and most people have trouble storing and editing 1080p video let alone something as massive as 4k. I would be very surprised to see any DSLR with 4k for under $5000, and even that's a stretch.

1 upvote
AG Photo Inc
By AG Photo Inc (Nov 8, 2011)

Canon please note, give us a good auto focus system for the video mode too in this new D-SLR.

0 upvotes
tigrebleu
By tigrebleu (Nov 10, 2011)

Ditto.

0 upvotes
tigrebleu
By tigrebleu (Nov 7, 2011)

Note to Canon... I care about video as much as I do about stills, so keep up the good work. (Just make sure that upcoming DSLR hasn't a crippled AF system, like with the 5DII.)

Today, DSLR manufacturers can't ignore video users. I don't know many pro photographers who don't shoot video too. And good video cameras with large sensors and the resulting DOF control are way more expensive than DSLRs doing all that almost as well as vidcams (just think of Red cameras, for instance).

In three ot four pro DSLR generations from now, all DSLRs will become still/video hybrids, equally versatile in both areas. Because the price of desiging, developping and marketing two DSLR cameras, one for stills and one for video, is now higher than doing the same for one DSLR capable of both still and video capture.

It's called evolution. Those who can't adapt may just disappear. In terms of DSLR video, Nikon and Pentax have a lot of work ahead of them to keep up with Canon (and even with Pana and Sony).

0 upvotes
Jim Lowell
By Jim Lowell (Nov 7, 2011)

Its called evolution. So right. Trumping internet forum posters and spoofing will be a long forgotten thing eventually, huh? "Those who can't adapt will disappear" I certainly hope so.

0 upvotes
Cy Cheze
By Cy Cheze (Nov 8, 2011)

EVFlution. Could the 5D Miii be a FF mirrorless? Might it shoot 4k video? No. Species are fixed and inalterable, unchanged since the Flood, except when digital arrived to redeem film from its fallen state.

Comment edited 24 seconds after posting
1 upvote
tigrebleu
By tigrebleu (Nov 10, 2011)

Fixed and inalterable? Unchanged since Flood? Sorry, but I'm not into myths... I'm into science. Measurable data only.

That said, I don't think the 5DIII will be mirrorless yet, and especially not with EVF. IMHO, EVF is not ready to replace OVF in advanced and pro DSLR. Not yet. Most likely, I think we'll see some hybrid OVF with EVF data overlay in the future.

1 upvote
tigrebleu
By tigrebleu (Nov 10, 2011)

My apologies for my sarcastic reply, Jim. It was inappropriate and I shouldn't have posted this.

And while I don't agree on focusing only on stills, as video is now part of DSLRs as much as still image, I do agree with your "$1,000" comment: at such price, a DSLR should include basic weather seals, metal body and good sensor.

Darn, the Pentax K200D used to be available for less than $600, and although it wasn't full metal (chassis only, plastic outer shell), it had full weather seals.

1 upvote
Jim Lowell
By Jim Lowell (Nov 7, 2011)

Note to Canon... I don't care about video and please focus on better/cheaper DSLR cameras that are affordable, and not dummied down like the 60D and Rebels! $1,000 for a DSLR camera body should have a lot of bells and whistles by now including weather seals, a great sensor and metal body!

Comment edited 5 minutes after posting
1 upvote
T3
By T3 (Nov 11, 2011)

The 60D is definitely not dumbed down. Its got weather seals, bells and whistles, a great sensor, and its polycarb body is better than the metal bodies of the previous XXD bodies. Poly won't dent, chip, or crack like a mag body. Its a lot more resilient and dissipates impact shock better than mag or other metals. We live in the 21st century, not the 19th century. Time to get with the times and use modern 21st century materials!!!

Comment edited 1 minute after posting
1 upvote
Serhan Oksay
By Serhan Oksay (Nov 5, 2011)

Still waiting for a mirrorless camera from Canon... Is it going to come out or not?

0 upvotes
Josh152
By Josh152 (Nov 5, 2011)

A DLSR is supposed to be a dedicated stills camera. It seems canon is trying to turn them into video cams. Considering they already have a full line of video cameras, I don't understand it. At the end of the day a DSLR is always going to be a mediocre video camera anyway. By focusing on the video feature they are just going to make a camera that is mediocre at both stills and video. Unwanted by both serious photographers who will feel abandoned by canon and serious cinematographers who will want an inevitably better dedicated solution.

What most people are really waiting for from canon is the 5D Mark III. Why can't they just focus on getting that done?

Comment edited 8 minutes after posting
1 upvote
yabokkie
By yabokkie (Nov 6, 2011)

the question is, why should anyone need a still when can have a video camera?

0 upvotes
IEBA1
By IEBA1 (Nov 7, 2011)

While still cameras are great at stills, these new cameras are aimed at providing the huge vDSLR crowd the features they've been clamoring for. Because you don't get it doesn't mean i shouldn't exist. In fact, it's so huge a market that Canon has created a Hollywood Business Center specifically to cater to this market.

All those people waiting for the 5D MkIII will get the camera they want. It's in the pipeline and will hit when sales of the MkII show that it's time. Clearly, it's not time yet. :)

But the C300 and the forthcoming 4K camera are tools for a specific, and surprisingly large market. Canon's a big boy. They know what they're doing… even if it don't make sense to you. :)

0 upvotes
tigrebleu
By tigrebleu (Nov 7, 2011)

I agree 100%. Some people don't seem to understand that a camera maker has to satisfy different kinds of customers. Putting efforts in DSLR video performance will not result in DSLR still performance being left behind. Just consider it a bonus that you can take advantage of or not ...

There is a huge DSLR video market for grabs, and right now, the only photo business that really understands that is Canon (although Canon is not just a photo business anymore). Nikon is making efforts (D7000) but is still missing on a few things.

Sony is second best but is desperately trying to save its video department from Canon's vDSLR success by keeping video and still separated (NEX VG-10). Pana is doing the same mistake.

Only Canon seems to understand it can develop both its video DSLR and its vidcam business at the same time, for both serve either similar or different purposes depending on the users' needs.

I don't have money to afford both a DSLR and C300. A video DSLR is the answer for me.

1 upvote
Michael Uschold
By Michael Uschold (Nov 7, 2011)

" A DLSR is supposed to be a dedicated stills camera."

That's a bit like saying a telephone is supposed to be attached to the wall with a coil cord. "That is the way it was for a very long time" - does not translate to "that is the way it is supposed to be forever".

1 upvote
Tom Caldwell
By Tom Caldwell (Nov 4, 2011)

Hi de ho! Been waiting for the Canon EVIL type camera for my EOS lenses for a while. Stopped buying their bodies because they seem obsessed with video development and do not seem to have noticed the mirrorless market. I guess if Canon don't make one then the aperture adapter to some other mount will have to be the way to go.

When I decide to become a film producer it might make sense but right now Canon looks more like an ostrich overcome by it's own hubris with its head in the sand hoping that the EVIL type camera is just a passing phase, and hey! doesn't everyone want a crazy-good video camera? A bit expensive we admit but will be good for two years before we release the next model (that you must also have) but everyone does video, what is the matter with you?

0 upvotes
akjos
By akjos (Nov 4, 2011)

Who cares... camera is meant for PHOTOGRAPHY , no? can we stop with 1080p and leave such a thing to real cinematographers who do not use dslr's to produce their stuff? jeez...

3 upvotes
Klarno
By Klarno (Nov 5, 2011)

Considering the price of your typical professional cinema system, the pricing on DSLRs that happen to shoot video is pretty much the best thing that ever happened to indie filmmaking.

Also, these small, inexpensive DSLRs *HAVE* been used by real cinematographers to produce their stuff. An Olympus E-P2 was used to as an action camera in Secretariat. A Canon 5D mk II was used to film at least one entire episode of House, M.D. These small, inexpensive cameras, simply by way of their size and their price and their very high quality output, can do things that you wouldn't dare with your $40,000 professional cinema camera and lens.

2 upvotes
jmmgarza
By jmmgarza (Nov 4, 2011)

Now, how much?

0 upvotes
Tape5
By Tape5 (Nov 4, 2011)

WINTER 2022
INT. STEPHEN'S LIVING ROOM - NIGHT
SAM
(crying quietly)
I didn't know about resolution back then. Please forgive me.

1 upvote
Tape5
By Tape5 (Nov 4, 2011)

All this talk of Cine this and Cine that and a sudden burst of RED labels is fascinating. All we need now is a good script. Canon and RED should get together and create a script writing machine because resolution is not where it's hurting most right now in the film industry.

6 upvotes
duartix
By duartix (Nov 4, 2011)

I've really seen it all... even posters saying the 5D Mark II dominates the amateur film maker's market. LOL.
I guess they never heard of the Panasonic GH2 or they don't hang out by DVXuser.com. The 5mkII has one questionable advantage that is thin DOF and perhaps a whisker more DR, on almost every other matter it is trounced by the GH2

If such a Canon camera is to be taken seriously in this market they'll have to make 2 "little" evolutions in sensor design:
*Global shutter* (which the GH3 will have by then) and
*Proper sensor binning* which the GH2 does already do.

And I'm not even talking about a proper codec... Such a nerve... 4K on MJPEG! Will they be shipping 4TB SDVeryHC memory cards with it?

Let me tell you, this isn't even funny, it's a prospect of a joke!

2 upvotes
hammerheadfistpunch
By hammerheadfistpunch (Nov 4, 2011)

Mjpeg (specifically Mjp2000 in an mxf) is actually a highly sought after cinema mezzanine format that many MANY studios use. I shoot on a GH2 btw.

1 upvote
duartix
By duartix (Nov 4, 2011)

I'm sure they do, just not on SD cards! :)
Canon's EOS C300 is to be taken seriously (especially by RED) but this SLR with a half baked video mode is still a joke in my very personal book, though I'm sure Laforet will stand behind it.
We both do, btw!

1 upvote
Mr Fartleberry
By Mr Fartleberry (Nov 4, 2011)

I'd rather see 36MP, integrated built in GPS, and a good wide angle prime below 20 mm. A phone would be nice as well.

0 upvotes
Poss
By Poss (Nov 6, 2011)

...and a toothbrush...
...and an ashtray... nothing has ashtrays anymore (sigh!)

0 upvotes
IEBA1
By IEBA1 (Nov 7, 2011)

Airplanes still have ashtrays. Surrounded by signs telling you not to use them. Hey, how about instead of installing signs forbidding use, you just take the ashtray out. :)

0 upvotes
yabokkie
By yabokkie (Nov 4, 2011)

after all still images are nothing more than frozen motion pictures. no human, no animal can live with stills. as a vertebrata, you can have the choice to have two, one, or zero "video cameras" but there is simply no such thing as a "still camera"

1 upvote
ProfHankD
By ProfHankD (Nov 4, 2011)

Finally decided to start chasing RED, eh?
I guess it's too late to go up against Sony on the mirrorless still market. ;)

0 upvotes
daMatrix
By daMatrix (Nov 4, 2011)

If someone wants video quality that exceeds nowadays display would this person grab a photo-camera or a video-camera that is ergonomical build for shooting video...? If detail matters most in the video?

0 upvotes
Cy Cheze
By Cy Cheze (Nov 4, 2011)

You can crop a 4k still photo easily. You can't crop 1.9k video shot with current consumer devices, without IQ loss. 4k home theaters or projectors may be a toy of the rich, but to have 4k video one could crop would be great for sports shots that are hard to track or keep steady in high zoom. For casual home video, 4k might be superfluous, but be a useful marketing feature to push product turnover between 2013 and 2017.

0 upvotes
hammerheadfistpunch
By hammerheadfistpunch (Nov 4, 2011)

the studio i used to work for bought a red 1 for the exact purpose of shooting in 4k to crop to 1080p

0 upvotes
robot 1
By robot 1 (Nov 4, 2011)

Please check your headlines before posting on your site:

"incorporating the the 4K video recording capability of the Cinema EOS cameras launched today."

As well as being incorrect- there has been no announcement of a 4k camera today, there is a typo.

5 upvotes
IEBA1
By IEBA1 (Nov 7, 2011)

Um, yea, there was.

http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/about_canon/newsroom?pageKeyCode=pressreldetail&docId=0901e024803cf0aa

0 upvotes
dgc4rter
By dgc4rter (Nov 4, 2011)

I'm sure this is good news for many but I'm a photographer, not a cinematographer. Video has never held any attraction for me and I can't see that it ever will. There are many with the same feeling too and it feels like we're being dumped on the wayside at the moment with so much attention to video technology and hardly any in the development of high MP, high ISO sensor technology for still photography.

The best thing Nikon could do now would be to announce that 36 MP dedicated SLR with better low-light, high ISO performance than the D3s. That's what would get my vote and my money.

3 upvotes
Marcus Beard
By Marcus Beard (Nov 4, 2011)

I agree that many share your view, but let's assume here for a moment that Canon knows what it is doing in terms of a business strategy. Amateur film maklng is massive now - you only have to check Vimeo. It makes total sense to me that they want to dominate that market (like they already do with the 5d MkII) and push it into pro territory too. I thought I wouldn't be into video either but am loving it on my 5D MkII with a decent lens (Zeiss 35mm is my favourite).

If you don't like it - go to Nikon.

4 upvotes
drinkonlyscotch
By drinkonlyscotch (Nov 4, 2011)

2005 Canon 5D:
1600 ISO (Acceptable noise to 400, Expandable to 3200), 12MP

2008 Canon 5D ii:
6400 ISO (Acceptable noise to 800, Expandable to 25600), 21MP

2011/12 Rumored Canon 5D iii:
6400 ISO ( Acceptable noise to 3200, Expandable to 51200), 36+ MP

Based on that timeline (and as long as the Mark iii rumors prove true), I think it's safe to say that Canon's attention to the video market is not at the expense of still photographers.

3 upvotes
Taikonaut
By Taikonaut (Nov 4, 2011)

It is a good job that shoot with a Nikon. Won't be saying that if your camera does good video.

Comment edited 1 minute after posting
0 upvotes
Cy Cheze
By Cy Cheze (Nov 4, 2011)

"Video has never held any attraction for me and I can't see that it ever will."

Some said the same thing about HDTV, color TV, air conditioning, automobiles, bathing, or doning hides. They eventually change their minds. Of course, to create good video is a much tougher challenge. Any fair photo can earn a 5 second glance and a compliment, at least from Mom. To get someone to view a 3 minute video (whose editing can take 3 days or weeks) is a LOT tougher. Not even Mom will be easy to please, unless the music is her favorite!

0 upvotes
larrytusaz
By larrytusaz (Nov 4, 2011)

Well I agree 100% with Marcus Beard. I'm not a pro but I've always been into PHOTOGRAPHY not VIDEOGRAPHY. To me the 2 are as different as birthday cake & skydiving. Anyone who says otherwise is WRONG, I don't care what their credentials, they're just WRONG.

And I don't care what anyone else says, you focus on ONE THING ONLY you do a better job of it. There's a reason I eat Mexican at the corner place that does MEXICAN ONLY, they do a better job than the place that does Mexican/Italian/Oriental/hamburgers etc. Sure there are places that do more than 1 thing & do ok, but this is an SLR--ok isn't good enough. Even the 5D II could've been a better still imager--more than 9 AF points, hello?

This has NOTHING to do with embracing "progress" like air conditioning etc, it's about recognizing & respecting BOUNDARIES. I have NO interest in an SLR trying to be a freaking smart-phone & neither should anyone else with a brain. What next, a damn built-in coffee maker?

0 upvotes
erick4x4
By erick4x4 (Nov 4, 2011)

Birthday cake and skydiving?? Why comment if you "DONT CARE WHAT ANYONE SAYS". Motion Pictures are just that "Motion" Pictures. They both use lenses, sensors, and cameras, one just puts them together with audio.

They are different for sure, but they are based on the same thing. You don't have to like the dSLR video, but to make foolish statements that say they are unrelated is silly.

1 upvote
Tom Bird
By Tom Bird (Nov 4, 2011)

you already have got a dslr, i guess. just use it. why caring about the coffee-maker?

0 upvotes
larrytusaz
By larrytusaz (Nov 4, 2011)

Maybe Tom Bird it's because the coffee maker gets in the way, or maybe it's just the PRINCIPLE of the thing--I think it shouldn't have one, and I'm tired of our society not having some standards of decency & things belonging in their place, just like that BOY who wants to join the GIRL scouts. To me this is no different, I am completely serious when I say this. I swear this society has just lost its sense anymore.

We need more of the understanding along the lines of realizing that no matter what you think, 2+5 is NOT 12. You can "think outside the box" or whatever silly platitudes you want, but it is FACT that 2+5=7 and that's that. As far as I'm concerned it is the same here--video has NO BUSINESS in an SLR, I do NOT CARE who likes it, they're WRONG to like it & it's WRONG for their perverted desires to be catered to. Yes--it is PERVERTED.

0 upvotes
Taikonaut
By Taikonaut (Nov 5, 2011)

Video in dSLR is great. People who don't like it because their camera don't have it or shoot with a Nikon.

0 upvotes
Poss
By Poss (Nov 6, 2011)

Cy Cheze
Some said the same about 8 track, Betamax, supersonic commercial flight and cold fusion...

A terrible photo might cause a laugh but a terrible video is just a terrible video. Today's digital world is already saturated with both BTW.

0 upvotes
Charlie horse
By Charlie horse (Nov 6, 2011)

Larry, what are you afraid of? How do the added functions get in your way? How do they make the camera worse?

You forget that motion photography evolved from still photography. It is natural and will always do so. You say that anyone who calls them similar is wrong. Well you sir, are wrong. The same rules apply, the only difference is that in video the pictures are moving.

Stop being so afraid. Video is not going to take away still photography. Still photography will persist as will video. Having both tools in your toolbox will not hurt you and the advancements to the camera from stills will advance video quality and the advancements in video will advance the quality of the stills. This is a winning proposition for you, you should be excited.

If your principles are against this, then your principles have you shooting yourself in the foot. Stills and video are not enemies. They are allies.

0 upvotes
Chaitanya S
By Chaitanya S (Nov 4, 2011)

Its a good news, but I hope Canon adds support for external HDD's as the file size with 4k video recording will be humongous.

0 upvotes
borobudur
By borobudur (Nov 4, 2011)

Nikon its time to show off ur new stuff right NOW!!

0 upvotes
ovrebekk
By ovrebekk (Nov 4, 2011)

Well, if 4K video excites you you might as well get the Canon. I don't think Nikon is releasing that any time soon ;)

0 upvotes
Debankur Mukherjee
By Debankur Mukherjee (Nov 4, 2011)

Nikon is under water right now.........8-))

3 upvotes
AshMills
By AshMills (Nov 4, 2011)

Umm yeah, except if 4K excites you, this camera will not record it.

It records 1080p HD people.

0 upvotes
Cy Cheze
By Cy Cheze (Nov 4, 2011)

Viva la V1. Olé.

0 upvotes
ovrebekk
By ovrebekk (Nov 4, 2011)

Maybe I'm just an ignorant Nikon fanboy, but is really Canons latest releases that exciting from a still photographers point of view?

What are the killers specs that would make Nikon pro's ditch their gear for the new Canons.

Personally I have been waiting for the D700 update for a while, but frankly I can't afford a new cam and the old one works perfectly well still ;)

0 upvotes
Tom Bird
By Tom Bird (Nov 4, 2011)

only forum-guys are looking for "killer-specs". 1dx and c300 probably will sell like 5ds, while killer spec nikon d3x and mf get dusty in the stores.

0 upvotes
Poss
By Poss (Nov 6, 2011)

D3x, D3s and D700 bodies are nowhere to be found in North America. I bought this week the LAST D3s Henry's had in ALL of Canada.
If you wonder why Nikon or Canon don't care much for the dpreview forums is because here the noise is high. The silent majority who buys the pro stuff have very little time to post here (with some exception).

0 upvotes
bigdaddave
By bigdaddave (Nov 4, 2011)

Canon know what they're doing, but this certainly won't appeal to me.

3 upvotes
evogt500
By evogt500 (Nov 4, 2011)

what are we going to watch 4K videos on? Current HDTV is only equivalent to about 2K.

0 upvotes
ksgant
By ksgant (Nov 4, 2011)

This is for the cinema. Remember those places where you go and watch movies in a big theater? Yeah, it's been a long time for me too.

Yes, current HDTV's are only 1080p, but these are for projecting onto big screens in theaters...then later can be downsampled to 1080p or whatever for video consumption.

4 upvotes
evogt500
By evogt500 (Nov 4, 2011)

Thanks for the heads up.

0 upvotes
Debankur Mukherjee
By Debankur Mukherjee (Nov 4, 2011)

I wonder who requies 4K resolution at home except digital cinema halls.....

0 upvotes
Marcus Beard
By Marcus Beard (Nov 4, 2011)

I presume as well as cinema 4K projector at sensible prices are only just round the corner. Everyone bought 1080p tellies before there was anything to play on them

1 upvote
technic
By technic (Nov 4, 2011)

4K for home (double the resolution of FullHD, both horizontally and vertically) is just around the corner. Several flatscreen manufacturers have been showing such screens this year at the IFA show, and some of them say the will start selling them to consumers in 2012. Sharp already showed an 8K screen (not destined for production, because of the obvious lack of 8K content).

This is great news for photographers, because it is superb to show your pictures in ultrahigh resolution. There will also be smaller screens with this resolution, using new 500-600 dpi screens.

It's just like with HDTV ten years or so ago. Hardly any commercial content yet, but you can make your own with digital cameras. I guess Canon wants to take a lead in that market.

0 upvotes
shaocaholica
By shaocaholica (Nov 4, 2011)

4K gives you room to crop and resize if the image was soft etc. These the same benefits in still photography.

0 upvotes
Cy Cheze
By Cy Cheze (Nov 4, 2011)

4k projectors or displays require screen size or viewing distance that exceed the space of all but the most expansive McMansions. Older manors and palaces may offer sufficient space too, if the owners take down the old tapestries or big game trophies. However, when you sit the necessary 30' or more from the big screen, the resoultion looks about the same as old DVD.

More realistically, 4k video would be nice for sports, since you can crop wide-angle shots, avoiding jerky tracking or hunts for key action. It could also be nice for performance or even video which must be shot with a stationary camera, so that you could crop, zoom, key-frame, and get sharp "full HD" video of performers or actors.

0 upvotes
Lee Jay
By Lee Jay (Nov 4, 2011)

RED is also developing two 4k laser projectors - one for home and one for cinema:

http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?63715-RED-Projector...

Since Sony and others are also working on/releasing 4k projectors, it seems safe to say that it will be possible to display these videos if that's what you'd like to do.

Comment edited 26 seconds after posting
0 upvotes
graybalanced
By graybalanced (Nov 4, 2011)

Nobody will ever need more than 640K of RAM

0 upvotes
thx1138
By thx1138 (Nov 4, 2011)

This will be the successor to the 1Ds III and will much dearer than 1D X. It won't have the same capabilities and features of C300 and very few would buy the new cine lenses, sticking to existing EF lenses. I'm guessing $9-10K.

Ok Canon you've announced products ranging in price from the sublime to the ridiculous. How about looking at the end of the market for those that don't earn a few hundred million a year. 5D III, 3D, 7D II per chance. Hello is there anybody listening.

0 upvotes
Marcus Beard
By Marcus Beard (Nov 4, 2011)

Just because they've announced lots of videography stuff doesn't mean (hopefully) that the 5D MkIII etc are never going to come out.

0 upvotes
Kagetsu
By Kagetsu (Nov 4, 2011)

Going by the measurements (4K being 3840 x 2160) and by what the presentation tonight showed how it recorded with the bayer filter, and if it's recorded at 4K on the APS-H part of the sensor this would be 66mp. (I doubt it) but either way, that's what would be indicated by the announcements today. (ie, if it was a native 8K sensor)

0 upvotes
Steve Balcombe
By Steve Balcombe (Nov 4, 2011)

Miscalculation there I think. There are several "4K" resolutions but using yours, and a horizontal crop factor of 1.3, that would be a 16MP sensor.

1 upvote
happy snapper uk
By happy snapper uk (Nov 4, 2011)

But not yours

0 upvotes
IcyVeins
By IcyVeins (Nov 4, 2011)

Stills rule. Video drolls

2 upvotes
Sdaniella
By Sdaniella (Nov 4, 2011)

instead of an EOS 5DMkIII... a new FF EOS C? costing less than 1D X?
that would be nice... for 'home cinematographers'... hahaha

0 upvotes
Richard Murdey
By Richard Murdey (Nov 4, 2011)

35mm full frame dSLR for movies .. sort of wonder why they bother with the "SLR" part. Just make a selection of EF-mount movie cameras that also happens to take stills.

0 upvotes
Tom Bird
By Tom Bird (Nov 4, 2011)

the epic does 120 fps with 14 MP stills to grab. whether you'll bevlieve it or not, that's the furture of still photography.

0 upvotes
Poss
By Poss (Nov 6, 2011)

Photography is already a commodity where the great mass of pro photogs are judged on price alone. Yay for a $600 camera that would do that in a few years then.

I will be a good time to retire and concentrate on personal projects :-)

0 upvotes
Taikonaut
By Taikonaut (Nov 4, 2011)

Canon has finally woken up and took the fight to Sony while Nikon dies in the swamp of Thailand.

2 upvotes
EOSHD
By EOSHD (Nov 4, 2011)

Nikon have really dropped the ball by missing the opportunity to enter the cinema market.

Comment edited 24 seconds after posting
0 upvotes
Adam Filipowicz
By Adam Filipowicz (Nov 4, 2011)

I bet it will be $10k

0 upvotes
Taikonaut
By Taikonaut (Nov 4, 2011)

It will be less than the flagship 1DX. The 4k video only works with 24p. If we want 60p or 120p would cost over $10k.
It will take the place of the APS-H 1D series price range maybe a bit cheaper because Canon knows the success relies on competitive pricing. Too high a price people lose interest or choose something else from RED or Sony. The 5D series will split. We may see another FF camera with inferior video at around $2k.

0 upvotes
Rich
By Rich (Nov 4, 2011)

Should be less, it sounds like it's just using the sensor the 1-Dx will have, just with a 4K "crop mode" much like the 1080 crop mode of the T3 or GH2. I don't see why it should cost more when it just has this one trick up its sleeve, especially if it's not built to the drop-it-off-a-cliff standards of the 1-Dx

0 upvotes
Taikonaut
By Taikonaut (Nov 4, 2011)

Not quite like the GH2 crop mode which is 2x zoom.
APS-H or 80% crop is still very large area while maintaining the DOF of FF.

0 upvotes
Jogger
By Jogger (Nov 4, 2011)

wow amazing. the most difficult thing for them will be pricing. people love the 5d2 because its relatively cheap. for this one, if they price it too cheap, they undercut their 20k C300.. price it too high and its not as appealing to the 5d2 market.

0 upvotes
IsaacImage
By IsaacImage (Nov 4, 2011)

wow very interesting !

0 upvotes
johnparas11zenfoliodotcom
By johnparas11zenfoliodotcom (Nov 4, 2011)

I thought motion jpeg type videos are not efficient type of file? Please enlighten me.. I read that from the olympus e-pl2 full review here on dpr.

0 upvotes
Taikonaut
By Taikonaut (Nov 4, 2011)

Moition Jpeg is more editing friendly so 4k video is possible on slower PCs.

0 upvotes
Rich
By Rich (Nov 4, 2011)

I bet the bitrate will be just a /smidge/ higher than the PL2.

0 upvotes
Alfonso Bresciani
By Alfonso Bresciani (Nov 4, 2011)

I'm getting confused here, so the only AF camera will be the 1DX at $6,800 and 18 Mpix? Or is the C gonna be for stills also? (AF lol)

0 upvotes
Sergeg
By Sergeg (Nov 4, 2011)

Canon discovered 3 years ago on the success of the 5DII, that there is a whole video market in Indie film production et all. It spawned a few new industries in GRIP support systems alone. Wisely, since they never had any competing product in the broadcast arena to challenge Sony, they are throwing out the gauntlet based on the success of their R&D in DSLR video. Still shooters can only benefit from the spin off technology. I shoot both professionally, and I am excited!

1 upvote
getman
By getman (Nov 4, 2011)

MJpeg, AVC or h.264 - all depends on the bitrate. h.264 is best in quality per Mbps but is tougher for editing on slower machines (although with Cuda support one hardly can have complaints).

1 upvote
Cy Cheze
By Cy Cheze (Nov 4, 2011)

4K MJPEG files will be huge and burn through a 64GB SDXC card pretty fast. However, perhaps they can be edited with an i7 machine, whereas compressed 4k h.264 video might require a faster generation of processors to edit natively.

0 upvotes
rbach44
By rbach44 (Nov 4, 2011)

From personal experience and from the consensus of the pro video world, motion JPEG is certainly NOT a professional codec. Bitrate aside, It just doesn't hold up to editing well.

If Canon were to implement a log color space and use something like prores THEN it would be more than just a still camera with a 4k mode.

0 upvotes
patrick c tom
By patrick c tom (Nov 6, 2011)

Mirrorless camera probably isn't that important to them...they'd have to build new system...do I care...buy and carry more lenses...sure... I'd still have to carry something around the neck why not just carry full rebel dslr...faster focus and quicker response...but what I think they should do is build the smallest aps-c sensored point and shoot possible...that will smoke out...all comers... powershot s series on steroids...essentially I want something I can stick in pocket and still be near dslr quality...5d mk3...just keep it under 3 grand keep pixels the same or not...no matter... but make it the best image quality on market...16 bit images...anyone...and bump up focus capabilities...I think Canon knows it's lagging...that why the announcement made so far ahead of time...their trying to pause consumers with their announcement made so far ahead of time.

0 upvotes
Total comments: 97