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Apple announces iPhone 4S with 8MP camera and 1080p video

By dpreview staff on Oct 4, 2011 at 18:46 GMT

Apple has announced its latest iPhone model, featuring an 8MP back-illuminated CMOS sensor. The iPhone 4S features faster image capture (down to 0.5s shot-to-shot time and 1.1 second 'time to first photo'), and captures more light as a result of the new sensor. It also gains 1080p video, is said to have better auto white balance performance and adds face detection for the first time. The 4S will first be available in the US, UK and five other countries on October 14th, with 22 more countries following two weeks later.

Apple Launches iPhone 4S, iOS 5 & iCloud

iPhone 4S Features Dual-Core A5 Chip, All New Camera, Full 1080p HD Video Recording & Introduces Siri

CUPERTINO, California—October 4, 2011—Apple® today announced iPhone® 4S, the most amazing iPhone yet, packed with incredible new features including Apple’s dual-core A5 chip for blazing fast performance and stunning graphics; an all new camera with advanced optics; full 1080p HD resolution video recording; and Siri™, an intelligent assistant that helps you get things done just by asking. With the launch of iPhone 4S also comes the launch of iOS 5, the world’s most advanced mobile operating system with over 200 new features; and iCloud®, a breakthrough set of free cloud services that work with your iPhone, iPad®, iPod touch®, Mac® or PC to automatically and wirelessly store your content in iCloud and push it to all your devices.

“iPhone 4S plus iOS 5 plus iCloud is a breakthrough combination that makes the iPhone 4S the best iPhone ever,” said Philip Schiller, Apple’s senior vice president of Worldwide Product Marketing. “While our competitors try to imitate iPhone with a checklist of features, only iPhone can deliver these breakthrough innovations that work seamlessly together.”

iPhone 4S comes with iOS 5, the world’s most advanced mobile operating system, which includes over 200 new features including Notification Center, an innovative way to easily view and manage notifications in one place without interruption and iMessage™, a new messaging service that lets you easily send text messages, photos and videos between all iOS 5 users. iOS 5 will also be available as a free software update for iPhone 4 and iPhone 3GS customers allowing them to experience these amazing new features.*

iPhone 4S also introduces Siri, an intelligent assistant that helps you get things done just by asking. Siri understands context allowing you to speak naturally when you ask it questions, for example, if you ask “Will I need an umbrella this weekend?” it understands you are looking for a weather forecast. Siri is also smart about using the personal information you allow it to access, for example, if you tell Siri “Remind me to call Mom when I get home” it can find “Mom” in your address book, or ask Siri “What’s the traffic like around here?” and it can figure out where “here” is based on your current location. Siri helps you make calls, send text messages or email, schedule meetings and reminders, make notes, search the Internet, find local businesses, get directions and more. You can also get answers, find facts and even perform complex calculations just by asking.

iCloud is a breakthrough set of free cloud services, including iTunes® in the Cloud, Photo Stream and Documents in the Cloud, that work seamlessly with your iPhone, iPad, iPod touch, Mac or PC to automatically and wirelessly store your content in iCloud and push it to all your devices. When content changes on one device, all your other devices are updated automatically and wirelessly.

iPhone 4S includes an all new camera with the most advanced optics of any phone. The 8 megapixel sensor has 60 percent more pixels so you can take amazing high quality photos with more detail than ever. iPhone 4S includes a new custom lens, a larger f/2.4 aperture and an advanced hybrid IR filter that produce sharper, brighter and more accurate images. The Apple-designed image signal processor in the A5 dual-core chip is built for performance, and coupled with the features built into iOS 5, makes the camera one of the fastest on any phone. With iPhone 4S, the Camera app launches much faster and the shot to shot capability is twice as fast, so you'll never miss another shot.

New features in the Camera and Photos apps give you instant access to the camera right from the lock screen, and you can also use the volume-up button to quickly snap a photo. Optional grid lines help line up your shot and a simple tap locks focus and exposure on one subject; and the new Photos app lets you crop, rotate, enhance and remove red-eye, and organize your photos into albums right on your device to share them on the go. New iOS 5 features include built-in Twitter integration and iMessage, so you can instantly share your photos via Twitter directly from the Photos app and send photos via iMessage to individuals or groups. And with iCloud's innovative new Photo Stream service, a photo you take on your iPhone is sent to iCloud and automatically pushed to your iPad, iPod touch, Mac or PC. You can even view your Photo Stream album on your Apple TV®.

iPhone 4S can also now record video in full 1080p HD resolution and with the new video image stabilization feature, you can take richer, smoother videos. Other iPhone 4S video camera improvements include increased sensitivity, sharpness and an increased ability to capture video in low light conditions. With the new iMessage service in iOS 5, you can now instantly share videos with family and friends.

iPhone 4S has the same beautifully thin glass and stainless steel design that millions of customers around the world love, while being completely redesigned on the inside. Apple's dual-core A5 chip delivers up to twice the processing power and up to seven times faster graphics than iPhone 4, all while maintaining incredible battery life—now up to 8 hours of 3G talk time.

Improving on the innovative stainless steel external, dual-antenna design of iPhone 4, iPhone 4S is the first phone to intelligently switch between two antennas to send and receive. iPhone 4S now supports twice the download speed with HSDPA of up to 14.4 Mbps and iPhone 4S is a world phone, so both CDMA and GSM customers can now roam internationally on GSM networks.**

*Some features may not be available on all products.

**Carrier roaming policies apply. HSDPA availability and network speeds are dependent on carrier networks.

Comments

Total comments: 287
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Daniel Yii
By Daniel Yii (Oct 4, 2011)

Siri: Where is iPhone 5?

7 upvotes
Rupert Bottomsworth
By Rupert Bottomsworth (Oct 5, 2011)

About 18 months away, I'd say.

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ARTASHES
By ARTASHES (Oct 5, 2011)

it was close so close

0 upvotes
costinul_ala
By costinul_ala (Oct 5, 2011)

Could you please repeat that? Command not found.
No, Siri, where is iPhone 5?
Your credit card pin is : 23...

0 upvotes
Daniel Yii
By Daniel Yii (Oct 5, 2011)

Or maybe Siri can tell us where is the lost iPhone 5 prototype in that mexican bodega in San Francisco

0 upvotes
Jogger
By Jogger (Oct 4, 2011)

Its the same DPR staffer who keeps posting these Apple "news" .. hmmm, it definitely generates hits though, that it affects me since im blocking all ads from here.

1 upvote
Barney Britton
By Barney Britton (Oct 4, 2011)

Why would you block adds in response to news that you don't like? That makes no sense at all. Just don't read the news you don't want to read - that'll work.

3 upvotes
Jon Ragnarsson
By Jon Ragnarsson (Oct 5, 2011)

Where is your e.g. Samsung Galaxy II 'News' coverage? It has HD video and 8MP camera, too...

0 upvotes
PaulRivers
By PaulRivers (Oct 4, 2011)

(continued)

But both him and a few of my friends keep trying to take pics indoors at night and it's almost always useless. And they want to take those pictures - they keep trying to - they just end up with either a blurry mess, or a washed out white pic from the "led flash".

To be fair though, for a lot of them they still only have a cameraphone anyways. But this is what keeps me from ever giving up my compact for a cameraphone.

If camera phones somehow ever got a decent flash, in the same size phones like the iPhone are now, that would really be the death of entry level compacts.

0 upvotes
jcmarfilph
By jcmarfilph (Oct 4, 2011)

Like what I have said below, there are tons of features that a camera phone must have to replace a decent P&S camera. Not just flash.

Camera phone is for snapshooters not considering the quality of the pictures regardless if it is blurry, out of focus, smeary, underexposed or overexposed.

0 upvotes
TimT999
By TimT999 (Oct 4, 2011)

It's amazing how many folks here have decided about the lack of quality on this new phone -- and the phone isn't even out yet. Obviously this won't be at the level of any DSLR. But there's no reason why a high quality camera phone can't begin to compete with some of the point and shoots.

The web is full of folks who make knee-jerk judgements without knowing any of the facts and I'm pleased that DP cuts a bit deeper.

5 upvotes
703
By 703 (Oct 5, 2011)

Well, haven't you heard of the Nokia N8. It has been out for more than a year. Xenon Flash, 12MP and a big sensor.

1 upvote
keeponkeepingon
By keeponkeepingon (Oct 5, 2011)

Which U.S. carrier carries the N8?

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keeponkeepingon
By keeponkeepingon (Oct 5, 2011)

Which U.S. carrier carries the N8?

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keeponkeepingon
By keeponkeepingon (Oct 5, 2011)

Which U.S. carrier carries the N8?

0 upvotes
keeponkeepingon
By keeponkeepingon (Oct 5, 2011)

lol. wow sorry getting a lot of double posts lately. What's going on with dpreview????

0 upvotes
Wenger
By Wenger (Oct 4, 2011)

A few months ago an image like this coming from a phone would be unimaginable:
http://www.apple.com/iphone/includes/camera-gallery/08.html
After looking through that gallery it really hit home that point and shoots don't have much time before they become irrelevant.

4 upvotes
PaulRivers
By PaulRivers (Oct 4, 2011)

There's still one thing popular camera phones don't have, unfortunately -

A Decent Flash.

Not something flashy and external, just something built in that works anywhere near as well as the flash on a compact camera.

For a lot of people they just want a recognizable picture, getting some some extra pixels of detail in there doesn't make a difference for them so a cameraphone is fine. And although the dynamic range is lacking, it's not perfect for a compact either so they can live with it. And it lacks optical zoom, but again in exchange for the portability factor people just don't care. Even "serious photographers" say "if I'm taking serious photos I'll bring my dslr, for snapshots I can just use my cell phone". My cousin does professional photography and owns a Nikon d700, their expensive f2.8 lenses, etc - but is fine with his iPhone for it's convenience.

1 upvote
Ivo Gievski
By Ivo Gievski (Oct 4, 2011)

The usual snapshots young people do, often happen at night, when you need awful lot of light! No camera phone can produce even good web quality photos in these conditions, because of the small, underpowered flash... That's why, there is still a market for P&S.
P.S. The friends I have with iPhone's (O'm in the android bandwagon;)), after a picture taken at a night club, always say I should buy a camera, don't you think? Like, you were right, this is not that good...

2 upvotes
703
By 703 (Oct 5, 2011)

Hello - There is the Nokia N8, it might not be popular in the US, but its popular in many parts of Europe.

4 upvotes
jacktorrance
By jacktorrance (Oct 5, 2011)

*was popular

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tilariths
By tilariths (Oct 4, 2011)

I though that undewhelming sensation of Nikon's 1 launch would be hard to beat...

2 upvotes
steven8217
By steven8217 (Oct 4, 2011)

Hmm, there is a long list of Android phone with 8MP sensor and perhaps Panasonic Lumix 101P with 13MP sensor ?

1 upvote
ianz28
By ianz28 (Oct 4, 2011)

Do you really think the MP count matters with a pinhead sized sensor?

It's the other characteristics surrounding the sensor that matter in any of these types of cameras.

1 upvote
epo001
By epo001 (Oct 5, 2011)

Yet another fandroid. The relevant issue is quality not megapixels.

Perhaps this is why Android fanboys keep on going on about fictional market share numbers. iPhones get sold and get kept, Android phones get sold and get returned

0 upvotes
costinul_ala
By costinul_ala (Oct 5, 2011)

@epo001 - well ... let's remember the 3GS and the OS update.... and then talk about returned phones

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vinersan
By vinersan (Oct 4, 2011)

what the hell !?!?!
is this gsmarena ?

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Ivo Gievski
By Ivo Gievski (Oct 4, 2011)

C'mon dpreview!!! You've never mentioned the 50 other smart phones with 8 MP or better cameras and with android or WP7!!!! Biased??? Paid??? Honestly, I come here to read about CAMERAS! I mean, why all the fuss again? It is essentially one year old smartphone with faster processor...

18 upvotes
Stevil
By Stevil (Oct 4, 2011)

It's relevant because the iPhone is the #1 "camera" on Flickr. No other camera-phone comes close.

6 upvotes
Barney Britton
By Barney Britton (Oct 4, 2011)

It's a cynical attempt to generate pageviews and attract new users to our site by covering popular, relevant consumer photographic products. But ssssssh - don't tell anyone.

9 upvotes
Ivo Gievski
By Ivo Gievski (Oct 4, 2011)

Barney, that is all OK, I unterstand, I run my own site (automobile), but when you decide to put camera phones on your site, it is FAIR to mention more of them. I mean, that's what we journalists should do and were learning to do...
P.S. And it is not like there are not any other popular camera phones! Samsung Galaxy S2? Whole bunch of HTC's, LG's or even the best camera phone out there, Nokia N8?

5 upvotes
Barney Britton
By Barney Britton (Oct 4, 2011)

watch this space :)

2 upvotes
StephenSPhotog
By StephenSPhotog (Oct 4, 2011)

I have an Android phone with a 8mp camera and it is absolutely not worth mentioning, photgraphically. It takes terrible pictures. I think DPR mentions the Iphone 4s because it will actually take good pictures.

6 upvotes
Ivo Gievski
By Ivo Gievski (Oct 4, 2011)

I won't put my money on that... As a fact, lot of Android phones were miles better in the camera department than iPhone 4, namely Galaxy S2 or Sony Xperia Arc...

0 upvotes
ianz28
By ianz28 (Oct 4, 2011)

Hey IVO....... Notice how many comments there are already? DPReview would be foolish not to post something about the iphone.

Since you run an automobile website I have a question for you.

Which of these car announcements would increase your website traffic more?
Toyota Corolla or BMW M3?

0 upvotes
SM7
By SM7 (Oct 5, 2011)

ian -- possibly the corolla, because of the gas prices. And I'm not kidding.

Anyways, I compared some videos I took with an iPhone and a Samsung Wave -- Wave beat it. Photos -- iPhone was faster to focus, and got more keeper pictures. The iPhone is near the top of the heap when it comes to camera-phones, but it's not THE best. Period. This is why a lot of ppl are annoyed that only Apple products seem to get the front page treatment.

Ciao tutti!

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Ivo Gievski
By Ivo Gievski (Oct 5, 2011)

@ianz28 - to be honest, the Corolla has more responses over the time, the M3 has responses just the first month after it arrives. Then, nobody cares about it... However I am from Macedonia, so that might change some things :)
@SM7 - i agree, there are an awful lot better Android smartphones in the camera department...

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sublogic
By sublogic (Oct 5, 2011)

everybody is annoyed because iphone is #1 in photography, and #1 in video games and #1 in a lot of other things like INNOVATION.. not the copycat crap that fandroids wish they had.

Comment edited 3 minutes after posting
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sublogic
By sublogic (Oct 5, 2011)

It also has a crap ton of photography apps that simply make photoshopping a non-factor. Android doesn't even come close the level of amazing photography apps that the iPhone has.

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Felipe Anciaes
By Felipe Anciaes (Oct 4, 2011)

iPhone 4S?! What a name!! So I guess it's not 4 me...

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Kazzaz
By Kazzaz (Oct 4, 2011)

i thought it's gsmarena first not dpreview .. why do even care about it ?

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Kazzaz
By Kazzaz (Oct 4, 2011)

do you *

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MichaelSpotts
By MichaelSpotts (Oct 4, 2011)

I've been shooting with my iPhone for more than a year, often with excellent results (from an aesthetic, not a measurebator's standpoint).
Samples:
http://www.michaelspotts.com/post/9326324120/she-walks-in-red
http://www.michaelspotts.com/post/5995085560/flow
http://www.michaelspotts.com/post/7683984809/at-the-sandstone-cliffs
http://www.michaelspotts.com/post/6342829269/colorado-iphone-4-hipstamatic
http://www.michaelspotts.com/post/9422422734/skip-to-the-sea
http://www.michaelspotts.com/post/5585132172/lovely

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kwa_photo
By kwa_photo (Oct 4, 2011)

I think the point is that cameras are soon going to approach normal p&s cameras and completely replace them for the average user.The better optics, backlit sensor and their image processing overall is what makes this a story vs. other cameras with similar MP in phones. They will not, in the foreseeable future, replace enthusiast cameras and certainly not pro level cameras. But for the average user OR for the enthusiast/pro who wants a camera "all the time" it's hard to beat one built into a device that almost everyone has all the time...a phone.

3 upvotes
Klay
By Klay (Oct 4, 2011)

Agreed. My wife's Canon P&S needs replacing... but I think she'd much rather just upgrade her iPhone. Any extra capability a compact P&S are answers to questions she doesn't have. The things she values in a camera - easy to carry, easy to shoo, sufficient IQ for the web and the pictures are easy to share - are all covered by a new iPhone.

3 upvotes
IcyVeins
By IcyVeins (Oct 4, 2011)

What focal length equivalent do iphones have?

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ianz28
By ianz28 (Oct 4, 2011)

feels like it's around 28mm. They made no mention of it yet on the 4s that I saw

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arboreus
By arboreus (Oct 5, 2011)

35 mm equiv. for iPhone 4S, according to EXIF of the samples.

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G Davidson
By G Davidson (Oct 5, 2011)

iPhone 4 is about 28mm, 4S about 35mm.

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backayonder
By backayonder (Oct 4, 2011)

I've decided not to wait for the D300s replacement and going with this

10 upvotes
backayonder
By backayonder (Oct 4, 2011)

Can you make phonecalls with it?

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steven8217
By steven8217 (Oct 4, 2011)

In some case, just wait untill some one else hang-up their call...

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costinul_ala
By costinul_ala (Oct 5, 2011)

it has improved antenna performance, so this time around I think so!

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Joe Fitzpatrick
By Joe Fitzpatrick (Oct 5, 2011)

Since this is try #5 for Apple to make a phone that can send and receive voice calls reliably the "monkey typing principle" would seem to be on their side. it really doesn't matter, no 4G and specs that, at best, match the current Android phones aren't going to help their stagnant 28% smartphone market share.

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mfbernstein
By mfbernstein (Oct 4, 2011)

Going by the samples, seems to be a 1/3.4" sensor, with a 4.28mm (35mm EFL) fixed focal f/2.4 lens. Native sensitivity is ISO 64.

2 upvotes
RedFox88
By RedFox88 (Oct 5, 2011)

Are you sure about that or is that just a joke? 1/3.4" ?

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Rage Joe
By Rage Joe (Oct 5, 2011)

Nokia N8:

12 mp sensor

Sensor size: 1/1.83"

Carl Zeiss optics - 28 mm equivalent

So, which one would you choose for photography?

1 upvote
Freeman-Jo
By Freeman-Jo (Oct 4, 2011)

Since when is iPhone announcement is a photography related news? And yet the team publish the review of 1D mark III nor a statement why not. I seriously doubt the intregetry of the people here now.

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ianz28
By ianz28 (Oct 4, 2011)

pretty sure iphone has been used to take more photo's than any other camera on flickr......that alone makes the phone introduction newsworthy.

As a SLR user the iphone camera is a whole lot more interesting to me than any p&s camera.

And what does a one paragraph news blurb have to do with a full blown camera review? You should get your reviews elsewhere and spare us all the petty comments.

8 upvotes
chadley_chad
By chadley_chad (Oct 4, 2011)

? I would say the new camera in the new iPhone, which a LOT of readers on here use to compliment existing DSLR kit (as I do) IS related ... and more interesting than another new £800 lens release!

Move with the times mate!

3 upvotes
chadley_chad
By chadley_chad (Oct 4, 2011)

Well said ianz28 ... theres just no prising old 35mm film out of some folks hands!

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Freeman-Jo
By Freeman-Jo (Oct 4, 2011)

There is a major difference between photograph vs picture. See dictionary for that, and I don't see how not seeing a review for professional photography camera is any less relavent than announcement of a phone, which photography is at best a secondary objective on a "Digital Photography Review" website. Shouldn't review be primary focus and announcement is less so?

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ianz28
By ianz28 (Oct 5, 2011)

Your statements are foolish and irrelevant.

As irrelevant as a 1 paragraph blurb for the iphone announcement on the front page of this site.

Don't you worry Freeman-Jo. The front page updates will make that pesky iphone announcement disappear in the next couple of weeks.

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reddevil1909
By reddevil1909 (Oct 5, 2011)

It is just a Sony sensor what is in the Sony Ericsson Xperia Arc.

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larrytusaz
By larrytusaz (Oct 4, 2011)

I am with elleyyh totally 100%. What in the WORLD is going on with all of this worship of Apple lately? How come none of the Android smartphones are mentioned, ever? What next, are they going to rename this site "steve-jobs-is-god.com?" And the pros drooling over this things are mindless idiots with zero credibility.

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jcmarfilph
By jcmarfilph (Oct 4, 2011)

On doomsday, only the iTards will be saved!

1 upvote
Scott Everett
By Scott Everett (Oct 4, 2011)

We have some Android phones in the office and plan to share some results with you all soon. We are not partial to any brand, collectively. In the office we have the same fights that go on here. Kelcey punched me yesterday when I tried to show him my iphone photo.

8 upvotes
larrytusaz
By larrytusaz (Oct 4, 2011)

*Scott Everett* that is good to hear. Honestly I don't give a fig for a camera phone, I use my SLR for everything, but given that Android phones are hugely popular, if we're going to act all goo-goo/gaa-gaa over camera phones, Android deserves just as much attention.

Besides being "always with you," which an Olympus E-PL3 can do also and with FAR better quality, camera phones do have the "real time sharing" option, but then with an Eye-Fi card, any camera can do that now. Regardless, we don't need to be snobs, but Flickr stats showing the iPhone to be the #1 camera notwithstanding, we need to remember, as I understand it anyway, this is supposed to be a site mainly for ENTHUSIASTS, not soccer moms.

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nathanleebush
By nathanleebush (Oct 4, 2011)

NOTE: I am not an Apple Fanboy, if anything I'm a Google fanboy..

BUT..

The big difference is that there are innumerable Android phones and one new iPhone annually, if that. So even though Android now has the majority of smartphone sales, each Android device has a small fraction of that. To cover each weekly Android releases' phone would not make sense, unless they have some insane specs. Last I checked, the iPhone 4 still had the best IQ over a year after its release (but I last checked six months ago, so this could be wrong). Also the fact that it's the number one 'camera' on Flickr is not to be ignored.

4 upvotes
jcmarfilph
By jcmarfilph (Oct 4, 2011)

Flickr has been flooded with garbage photos from different camera phones such as this. That made it popular.

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SM7
By SM7 (Oct 4, 2011)

@nathanleebush " Last I checked, the iPhone 4 still had the best IQ over a year after its release (but I last checked six months ago, so this could be wrong)."

Where did you check this?

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nathanleebush
By nathanleebush (Oct 4, 2011)

That's probably true..

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questionlp
By questionlp (Oct 4, 2011)

@jcmarfilph,

OT: At first, I read "iTards" as "Tardis"... which makes the interpretation of your post pretty darn hilarious.

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chadley_chad
By chadley_chad (Oct 4, 2011)

The main reason why everything is so 'Apple-slanted' is simply because there are so many Apple products out there! This is nothing to do with people being 'Apple fan-boys', its simply due to the fact people are voting with their wallets.

Whilst they didn't invent the wheel, love em or hate em, you HAVE to give them credit for bringing easy to use, great technology to the masses; and as a DSLR user myself, even I'm starting to see the iPhone and iPad as EXTREMELY valuable tools that compliment other items in my arsenal (along with my gorgeous 27" iMac that no other manufacturer could deliver as Apple did!!!!)

As such, sites like DP will diversify and cover the interests of this expanding sector and reach a wider audience ... maybe pushing the pro's like yourself out ... but adapt or die as they say, or go elsewhere. Things change unfortunately, but I actually think DP is getting better (and far more interesting).

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larrytusaz
By larrytusaz (Oct 4, 2011)

No I don't give them credit for anything other than hood-winking otherwise intelligent people into BELIEVING their products are really SOOOOO AMAZING and SOOOOOOO superior. Bullfeathers. They could sell doo-doo and people would SWEAR it was perfume. Just ridiculous. I know better than that, thank goodness for actual intelligence.

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jcmarfilph
By jcmarfilph (Oct 5, 2011)

Give credit to the iTards? No way! Smaller companies deserve praises, coz they are the ones making better products that are not overrated.

1 upvote
nemo6666
By nemo6666 (Oct 5, 2011)

You want pictures form GOOGLE ANDROID SmartPhones?
Well....i can show you some from my Galaxy S2, very nice red spot in middle of most shoots. I can show you also some 3D images from my Optimus 3D, very nice 5MP images, as i said, just in 3D. Because for sure you would not really want to look at the 2D. And many camera apps for android...hmm...20 oder maybe 30? Huh, nice not need to decide between over 2 or 300 apps for iPhone. But wait, not all Android camera apps work on all Android SmartPhones...because they are really smart and know with one u need or not. Any questions?

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costinul_ala
By costinul_ala (Oct 5, 2011)

*Scott Everett* hopefully we will get some reports on those too. There are many more Android phones alright .... but not so many at 500$ - nobody is comparing apples :) and oranges here.

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elleyyh
By elleyyh (Oct 4, 2011)

wow this is so Apple politic. I don't even know why it's even featured on DPreview! If DPreview going to side with Apple then there's something wrong. Why not feature other phones. My best camera phone still to date is the Sony Ericsson C905 and it can beat those low end point and shoot cameras.

I wonder how much the fruit company pay DPreview

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Richard Butler
By Richard Butler (Oct 4, 2011)

Apple doesn't pay us a penny, so far as I know.

We covered a Nokia a while back and an Android story just yesterday.

However, if the iPhone can top Flickr's upload chart, then we should at least mention the arrival of a new model. That's not 'siding' with anyone. It's news.

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dylanbarnhart
By dylanbarnhart (Oct 4, 2011)

Off the top of my head, I have no idea what your Ericsson C905 is, or what operating system it runs. But I do know the iPhone well, even though I don't own it. I use Android, but I still care to know about what's going on with a phone that pioneered the whole category.

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macaddict
By macaddict (Oct 4, 2011)

If this site is as Apple-oriented as you would like to believe, then why is Lightroom reviewed and not Aperture?
The iPhone is the better smartphone. Lightroom is the better software. This site is following their groundbreaking advances.

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micksh6
By micksh6 (Oct 5, 2011)

C905 was an impressive camera phone for year 2008. Sony Exmor CMOS sensor, Carl Zeiss lens, Xenon flash, dual noise reduction, face detection and smile detection. Not many phones caught up to that since 2008.
Note how Apple added face detection and noise reduction only now.
I believe C905 had 1/2.5" sized sensor, but I'm not sure. Field of view was reasonably wide for 5.9mm lens focal length.
I had this phone. With F2.8 aperture I could see get some background separation.

iPhone 4S uses the same Exmor R sensor that Sony Ericsson Experia Arc used since March this year. So the sensor is not that new. Sensor size is 1/3.2" and it is backlit.
Since iPhone 4S has faster CPU than Arc it allows 1080p video recording and overall faster camera operation.

And Nokia N8 still has the biggest sensor in any cell phone - 1/1.9", bigger than most compacts.

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RedFox88
By RedFox88 (Oct 5, 2011)

No wonder on the "specs" page of Apple's 4s (on apple's website) they don't give detailed specs, just call it a 8 megapixel camera without sensor size. They think their customers are too dumb to understand actual technical specs!

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nathanleebush
By nathanleebush (Oct 4, 2011)

I think it's the beginning of the end for the P&S market.

Wrote about it for Adorama's blog: http://arcrental.wordpress.com/2011/10/04/iphone-4s-camera-the-gap-closes/

Potential silver lining: camera manufacturers will reorient their attention to the enthusiast/pro R&D rather than sweep panorama type gimmicks

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jcmarfilph
By jcmarfilph (Oct 4, 2011)

This is plain stupid. If they can fit a OVF, a manual zoom, filters and a hotshoe then yeah it is the end of P&S market.

You will use an adapter for SLR lens? LOL!

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Neimo
By Neimo (Oct 4, 2011)

~98% of P&Ss don't have a hotshoe so yes it's the beginning of the end.

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jcmarfilph
By jcmarfilph (Oct 4, 2011)

Lol in your dreams. There are too many features that a camera phone must have in order to replace a decent P&S camera. Tell SJ to put a tripod mount too.

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nathanleebush
By nathanleebush (Oct 4, 2011)

You think soccer mom's with $150 Kodaks are mounting them on tripods?

I would not put LX5/S100 etc in this P&S category btw. These are compact cams designed for manual controls. I'm talking about cameras designed for my mom so she can point, then shoot, and doesn't care or even know about what the aperture is.

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jcmarfilph
By jcmarfilph (Oct 4, 2011)

X10, LX5, G12, S95, S100 and many more are P&S FYI. Even bridge cam which is for telephoto is a P&S. iPhone or any chewtoy camera phone will not gonna replace those. Maybe it is the beginning of the end of a $50 point and shoot camera. iPhone is not for soccer games, for goodness sake moms, unless you tell the soccer teeam to pause for 10 secs, what are you gonna get? All blurry, smeary pictures.

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dom33
By dom33 (Oct 4, 2011)

My P&S does not lock me into a 3y contract. For a lot less money you can get a better phone and a much better P&S camera

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chadley_chad
By chadley_chad (Oct 4, 2011)

Silly comment really, just like the person that recently said 4/3rds would replace full-framed DSLR!!!!!!!

Theres room for many variants in the market and always will be; no one camera can or ever will replace all.

I use the dog that is the Sigma DP1, an iPhone 4, S95, D5100 ... and all have their merits, time and place, no one camera will ever replace them all!

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RedFox88
By RedFox88 (Oct 5, 2011)

People love zoom lenses. Show me a camera in a phone that has an optical zoom lens please!

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Earthlight
By Earthlight (Oct 4, 2011)

Probably a great camera for the masses. Nothing wrong with that. I'd use it and use the video even more. Maybe I'll get one unless the Euro prices are a total ripoff.

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Elaka Farmor
By Elaka Farmor (Oct 4, 2011)

Epic face lift! Much better looking than before!

1 upvote
jcmarfilph
By jcmarfilph (Oct 4, 2011)

Go waste your money again...

If Apple is serious in improving the camera of the iPhone why not create iCamera.

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Poweruser
By Poweruser (Oct 4, 2011)

Sad to see dpreview jumping on the phone-camera bandwagon. iphones suck.

3 upvotes
Barney Britton
By Barney Britton (Oct 4, 2011)

The iPhone 4 is the most popular 'camera' on the world's biggest photo-sharing website...

4 upvotes
makofoto
By makofoto (Oct 4, 2011)

Read the DpReview article of the pro shooter using an iPhone. There are plenty of pro's shooting with iPhones: http://lens.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/02/11/through-my-eye-not-hipstamatics/

1 upvote
chadley_chad
By chadley_chad (Oct 4, 2011)

Perhaps Poweruser would like to explain to the MILLIONS of people that have voted with their wallets just why the iphone sucks?

I'm more worried about idiot troll posters on here than I am content!!!

2 upvotes
Ivo Gievski
By Ivo Gievski (Oct 4, 2011)

If it is so popular, why not make a forum for iPhone users and Apple eater's?

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ianz28
By ianz28 (Oct 4, 2011)

Here you go IVO

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/forum.asp?forum=1046

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TonyAAA
By TonyAAA (Oct 5, 2011)

"The iPhone 4 is the most popular 'camera' on the world's biggest photo-sharing website..."

Popularity doesn't = quality.

Unless you feel McDonalds offers the highest quality restaurant experience.

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larrytusaz
By larrytusaz (Oct 5, 2011)

{TonyAAA} exactly, exactly, exactly. McDonald's is popular, but I doubt magazines or websites dealing with chef-caliber cooking go out of their way to post articles about them based on "they're a multi-billion dollar a year food business, how could we ignore them?" I could be wrong, but I doubt NASCAR magazines go out of their way to discuss minivans or the Toyota Camry even though the Toyota Camry is a far bigger seller than the cars NASCAR fans are interested in within the context of the NASCAR sporting events.

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costinul_ala
By costinul_ala (Oct 5, 2011)

the idea - dear apple fans - was that the were other products on the market and not all manufactures have just one phone on sale ... and the features presented were already available on other devices yesterday , before yesterday, before before yesterday ....

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AnHund
By AnHund (Oct 5, 2011)

Still down from 401 5 days ago to 370 today. Shares went down after the 4s disappointment - not before the annoncement.

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RedFox88
By RedFox88 (Oct 5, 2011)

Yes they said 55 million iphones sold in the past 9 months. Where 20 million TOTAL P&S cameras sold by one BRAND would put them in about the top digicam sale spot.

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AnHund
By AnHund (Oct 4, 2011)

Disappointing. Expected an iPhone 5. Apple shares have gone down by 4%.

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fivetonsflax
By fivetonsflax (Oct 4, 2011)

Great. Time to buy.

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mcspeakeasy
By mcspeakeasy (Oct 4, 2011)

If you know anything about the stock, it usually dips before a product announcement because people are taking their money from the stock off the table to then buy more stock... this happens on a cycle for AAPL

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altafbusal
By altafbusal (Oct 5, 2011)

I agree with you. I waited a year for bigger screen.

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Rupert Bottomsworth
By Rupert Bottomsworth (Oct 5, 2011)

altafbusal, buy an iPad if you want a bigger screen. The iPhone screen is the right size for a cellphone. Any bigger and it would become cumbersome.

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RedFox88
By RedFox88 (Oct 5, 2011)

If they called it the 5, there would not have been all the whining. Funny thing is the 4s has OS numbered 5! LOL

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DrEnergy
By DrEnergy (Oct 8, 2011)

Yes, what do you mean exactly when you say you were expecting the iPhone 5?

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keeponkeepingon
By keeponkeepingon (Oct 4, 2011)

If they sell an unlocked version, I'm canceling my S100 pre-order.

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chadley_chad
By chadley_chad (Oct 4, 2011)

Hmmm, as both an iPhone and S95 lover/user, I can say that wouldn't be a smart move!

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hammerheadfistpunch
By hammerheadfistpunch (Oct 4, 2011)

This is going to be a great camera...for a cell phone. Next.

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H Ryan
By H Ryan (Oct 4, 2011)

Definitely killing what's left of the pocketable video recorder biz, and really makes me wonder if I need to carry a useful compact camera (~S95) any more. I will still use a FF DSLR, though, for my other photographic needs.

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Klay
By Klay (Oct 4, 2011)

Bingo... I've stopped looking for a new P&S to replace and aging Canon. D300s for taking photos and the iPhone for taking photos when I don;t want to carry the D300s. No (or very little) reason for anything in the middle for me...

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chadley_chad
By chadley_chad (Oct 4, 2011)

I carry both an S95 and the iPhone; and whilst the iPhone camera is bloody good (the new one even better!), I would NEVER think of not using the S95 in the first place; for many reasons!

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solsang
By solsang (Oct 4, 2011)

Since lots of people will use this as their daily carry around camera, it makes sense to make a review, also with advice about how to use it for making good photos, like digitalrev shows here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGsmVw4tCWY:)

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snake_b
By snake_b (Oct 4, 2011)

Could be the end of the full frame SLR.

10 upvotes
jaykumarr
By jaykumarr (Oct 4, 2011)

Yes, I noted Hassleblad prices fell down this morning :-)

7 upvotes
Deleted-pending
By Deleted-pending (Oct 4, 2011)

Nikon already cut the price of the D800 in half before announcing it.
The Apple sect will destroy us all !...We, miserable earthworms...

6 upvotes
costinul_ala
By costinul_ala (Oct 5, 2011)

the d800 will have only one button ....

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Joao Sobral
By Joao Sobral (Oct 4, 2011)

Nothing new.

2 upvotes
efrazier
By efrazier (Oct 4, 2011)

Agreed...there are probably a dozen phones out now with 8MP camera's...I was kind of expecting more from Apple here.

1 upvote
SF Photo Gal
By SF Photo Gal (Oct 4, 2011)

This could be the end of the compact camera.

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Joe Ogiba
By Joe Ogiba (Oct 4, 2011)

The Sony DSC-HX9V compact has a 15x (24-384mm eqiv) zoom & Optical SteadyShot with Active Mode and 1080p60 so I don't think there will anything like that in phones anytime soon.

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keeponkeepingon
By keeponkeepingon (Oct 4, 2011)

Of course there is:

http://photojojo.com/store/awesomeness/iphone-slr-mount/

Tough time fitting it in your pocket though....

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chadley_chad
By chadley_chad (Oct 4, 2011)

The DSC-HX9V doesn't do f2.8 though ... or let you call ya moma!

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costinul_ala
By costinul_ala (Oct 5, 2011)

Which? it is not the first, not the best, and quite expensive, no battery performance, poor flash, microscopic sensor, lens like you get on a webcam etc. If you average 1.8 shots a month it might fit the profile though

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nvonstaden
By nvonstaden (Oct 4, 2011)

Will DPR being reviewing this iPhone 4s camera? It needs to be

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billion8
By billion8 (Oct 4, 2011)

Crappy results? Did you try it? I believe they can be pretty good for a phone with these dimensions - and it definitively takes better pictures than a DSLR make phone calls.

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Deleted-pending
By Deleted-pending (Oct 4, 2011)

@ least DSLR cameras are not money pumping machines !

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Baxter Bad
By Baxter Bad (Oct 4, 2011)

Yeah, you're so right. Canon and Nikon never add three new features to the same old camera and sell it to suckers like you as next year's model.

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Baxter Bad
By Baxter Bad (Oct 4, 2011)

Yeah, you're so right. Canon and Nikon never add three new features to the same old camera and sell it to suckers like you as next year's model.

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chadley_chad
By chadley_chad (Oct 4, 2011)

@ least DSLR cameras are not money pumping machines !

... funny that, I sold my last DSLR because I got fed up of spending so much money on lenses and seeing a new and better model from a competitor every 3 months!

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billion8
By billion8 (Oct 4, 2011)

Whats the need for calling me sucker for my post? Just because a phone has a decent camera for its size (and remember its a PHONE, the camera is an additional FEATURE) all DSLR gurus dont need to compare it to their pro equipment. And your comment about "adding three features and selling it as new"... First we ARE talking about the camera feature here and that IS new. Second... havent Canons processor been the same for years??? I know that the P&S I bought in 2008 has the same processor as the latest Canon DSLR (Digic V). The Iphone at least has a new greatly improved processorAND improved camera AND improved video. Thats really all we need to discuss here...

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billion8
By billion8 (Oct 4, 2011)

... and pf course I meant the Digic IV!

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M Jesper
By M Jesper (Oct 4, 2011)

Baxter and Chadley responded to FTH's comment, the sucker is him, not you Billion8, although now that you failed to realize that ... ;)

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billion8
By billion8 (Oct 5, 2011)

oops :)

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Ruy Penalva
By Ruy Penalva (Oct 4, 2011)

Besides alll of that it still manage to make callls. Could be dubbed IPhonacea

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nobblynoel
By nobblynoel (Oct 4, 2011)

I wish NIkon could add a phone to my D700. That would be perfect..

1 upvote
kona_moon
By kona_moon (Oct 4, 2011)

So... where is iPhone-5?

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Digital Suicide
By Digital Suicide (Oct 4, 2011)

I'll be interested in this thing, only when I'll be able to put a roll of film in it.

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mauro paillex
By mauro paillex (Oct 4, 2011)

Roll film is dead! For me since 1998!!!

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nobblynoel
By nobblynoel (Oct 4, 2011)

For Video 1080p HD video recording, video image stabilisation and noise reduction

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spacegoret
By spacegoret (Oct 4, 2011)

Agree.
They manage to get digital image stabilisation & noise reduction before all other camera makers. For everyday people like me, those are important features. Yet neither Sony or Panasonic have that. What a shame.
Maybe they can do it thanks to their powerful dual core processor? I wonder what the impact on battery life is.

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spacegoret
By spacegoret (Oct 5, 2011)

Actually, if I understand correctly, Alpha 65 & Alpha 77 both use sensor shift stabilisation when capturing still images but use digital stabilisation for video.

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nobblynoel
By nobblynoel (Oct 4, 2011)

Eight megapixels...3264x2448. Backside illuminated sensor...73% more light per pixel than iPhone 4. 33% faster capture. Hybrid IR filter, better color accuracy and uniformity. Five element lens, 30% more sharpness, f/2.4 aperture. Face detection, better white balance, and fast photos.

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Deleted-pending
By Deleted-pending (Oct 4, 2011)

and crappy results.

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dreimanis
By dreimanis (Oct 4, 2011)

How do you define that?

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ktwse
By ktwse (Oct 4, 2011)

Indeed, how do you define crappy results?

It's perfect for everyday snapshots and, also being YOUR PHONE, you're much more likely to have it with you at all times, unlike a camera proper. There's a lot of nice images on flickr and other services, showing just what the iPhone 4 is capable of in able hands. I've no doubt this will be even better - and make the compact camera even more redundant for most of us.

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s1Lma
By s1Lma (Oct 4, 2011)

it is impossible to get decent point-and-shoot camera quality on the phone.the size of the sensor matters.
actually, the whole presentation was a lot of marketing(but damned good), and 10% of reasonable treatment of facts.

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Neimo
By Neimo (Oct 4, 2011)

In daylight iPhone 4 photos are clear, detailed, and well balanced. More than decent for viewing on a HDTV or computer screen.

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Barry Fitzgerald
By Barry Fitzgerald (Oct 4, 2011)

I don't see how this competes with the p&s market purely because most folks buy one for the "look good factor" not for taking pictures. As a p&s it might be ok (erm no flash pretty obvious weak point) but it's a damn expensive camera if that's your main goal.
DPR probably should not cover mobile phones as they are not directly related to photography..what next webcam news?

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lightsculpture
By lightsculpture (Oct 5, 2011)

"The best camera is the one you have with you". I hated the iPhone and used the Sony Ericsson C905 for the longest time.

But I use an iPhone now and it is the only camera I have with me literally all the time, even when I am using my dSLR. Even for professional photographers, it is impossible to have your dSLR with you all the time, but it is possible with a phone.

Therefore, in those moments without your dSLR, the phone is your best camera, unless you can paint really well. And any single iPhone model probably has more users than any other single model of phones out there. This is why the iPhone tops the Flickr chart and this is why iPhone camera is important and worth looking at. I hope dpreview can do a group test for a bunch of 8mpx phones like they did for PnS and long zoom compacts.

Now what is lacking in a camera phone is NOT Flash. It is OPTICAL ZOOM. This is the single thing that is keeping PnS alive.

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