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Apple announces iPhone 4S with 8MP camera and 1080p video

By dpreview staff on Oct 4, 2011 at 18:46 GMT

Apple has announced its latest iPhone model, featuring an 8MP back-illuminated CMOS sensor. The iPhone 4S features faster image capture (down to 0.5s shot-to-shot time and 1.1 second 'time to first photo'), and captures more light as a result of the new sensor. It also gains 1080p video, is said to have better auto white balance performance and adds face detection for the first time. The 4S will first be available in the US, UK and five other countries on October 14th, with 22 more countries following two weeks later.

Apple Launches iPhone 4S, iOS 5 & iCloud

iPhone 4S Features Dual-Core A5 Chip, All New Camera, Full 1080p HD Video Recording & Introduces Siri

CUPERTINO, California—October 4, 2011—Apple® today announced iPhone® 4S, the most amazing iPhone yet, packed with incredible new features including Apple’s dual-core A5 chip for blazing fast performance and stunning graphics; an all new camera with advanced optics; full 1080p HD resolution video recording; and Siri™, an intelligent assistant that helps you get things done just by asking. With the launch of iPhone 4S also comes the launch of iOS 5, the world’s most advanced mobile operating system with over 200 new features; and iCloud®, a breakthrough set of free cloud services that work with your iPhone, iPad®, iPod touch®, Mac® or PC to automatically and wirelessly store your content in iCloud and push it to all your devices.

“iPhone 4S plus iOS 5 plus iCloud is a breakthrough combination that makes the iPhone 4S the best iPhone ever,” said Philip Schiller, Apple’s senior vice president of Worldwide Product Marketing. “While our competitors try to imitate iPhone with a checklist of features, only iPhone can deliver these breakthrough innovations that work seamlessly together.”

iPhone 4S comes with iOS 5, the world’s most advanced mobile operating system, which includes over 200 new features including Notification Center, an innovative way to easily view and manage notifications in one place without interruption and iMessage™, a new messaging service that lets you easily send text messages, photos and videos between all iOS 5 users. iOS 5 will also be available as a free software update for iPhone 4 and iPhone 3GS customers allowing them to experience these amazing new features.*

iPhone 4S also introduces Siri, an intelligent assistant that helps you get things done just by asking. Siri understands context allowing you to speak naturally when you ask it questions, for example, if you ask “Will I need an umbrella this weekend?” it understands you are looking for a weather forecast. Siri is also smart about using the personal information you allow it to access, for example, if you tell Siri “Remind me to call Mom when I get home” it can find “Mom” in your address book, or ask Siri “What’s the traffic like around here?” and it can figure out where “here” is based on your current location. Siri helps you make calls, send text messages or email, schedule meetings and reminders, make notes, search the Internet, find local businesses, get directions and more. You can also get answers, find facts and even perform complex calculations just by asking.

iCloud is a breakthrough set of free cloud services, including iTunes® in the Cloud, Photo Stream and Documents in the Cloud, that work seamlessly with your iPhone, iPad, iPod touch, Mac or PC to automatically and wirelessly store your content in iCloud and push it to all your devices. When content changes on one device, all your other devices are updated automatically and wirelessly.

iPhone 4S includes an all new camera with the most advanced optics of any phone. The 8 megapixel sensor has 60 percent more pixels so you can take amazing high quality photos with more detail than ever. iPhone 4S includes a new custom lens, a larger f/2.4 aperture and an advanced hybrid IR filter that produce sharper, brighter and more accurate images. The Apple-designed image signal processor in the A5 dual-core chip is built for performance, and coupled with the features built into iOS 5, makes the camera one of the fastest on any phone. With iPhone 4S, the Camera app launches much faster and the shot to shot capability is twice as fast, so you'll never miss another shot.

New features in the Camera and Photos apps give you instant access to the camera right from the lock screen, and you can also use the volume-up button to quickly snap a photo. Optional grid lines help line up your shot and a simple tap locks focus and exposure on one subject; and the new Photos app lets you crop, rotate, enhance and remove red-eye, and organize your photos into albums right on your device to share them on the go. New iOS 5 features include built-in Twitter integration and iMessage, so you can instantly share your photos via Twitter directly from the Photos app and send photos via iMessage to individuals or groups. And with iCloud's innovative new Photo Stream service, a photo you take on your iPhone is sent to iCloud and automatically pushed to your iPad, iPod touch, Mac or PC. You can even view your Photo Stream album on your Apple TV®.

iPhone 4S can also now record video in full 1080p HD resolution and with the new video image stabilization feature, you can take richer, smoother videos. Other iPhone 4S video camera improvements include increased sensitivity, sharpness and an increased ability to capture video in low light conditions. With the new iMessage service in iOS 5, you can now instantly share videos with family and friends.

iPhone 4S has the same beautifully thin glass and stainless steel design that millions of customers around the world love, while being completely redesigned on the inside. Apple's dual-core A5 chip delivers up to twice the processing power and up to seven times faster graphics than iPhone 4, all while maintaining incredible battery life—now up to 8 hours of 3G talk time.

Improving on the innovative stainless steel external, dual-antenna design of iPhone 4, iPhone 4S is the first phone to intelligently switch between two antennas to send and receive. iPhone 4S now supports twice the download speed with HSDPA of up to 14.4 Mbps and iPhone 4S is a world phone, so both CDMA and GSM customers can now roam internationally on GSM networks.**

*Some features may not be available on all products.

**Carrier roaming policies apply. HSDPA availability and network speeds are dependent on carrier networks.

Comments

Total comments: 287
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Champrizi
By Champrizi (Jul 12, 2012)

When Apple announced the new Siri software for the <a href="http://cellocean.com/iphone-4s-specifications-2210.html">iphone 4s</a> it was easy to just dismiss it as another company trying to get on board with the voice recognition gimmick we've seen companies trying to make work for years. But there are a couple of things to remember here: firstly, this is Apple, a brand that will always make something seem cool and work pretty well. And secondly, it's not a technology that it's had to develop fully in house, with the company buying voice recognition development app-maker Siri. We've played with some pretty advanced voice recognition software on the likes of the Samsung Galaxy S2, so we've also taken a look to see how the same command is registered on both phones.

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Kenneth Margulies
By Kenneth Margulies (Oct 13, 2011)

Pogue essentially says the iPhone is magic....
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/12/technology/personaltech/iphone-4s-conceals-sheer-magic-pogue.html

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newcameraguy2821
By newcameraguy2821 (Oct 10, 2011)

iPhone 4S all the latest details Updated: A5 processor, improved aerial signal, better camera:
http://shrt.fm/ofXanE

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Laurentiu Todie
By Laurentiu Todie (Oct 9, 2011)

The iPhone 5 may still show up soon, maybe from Sprint alone? : )

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METROMODEPHOTO
By METROMODEPHOTO (Oct 9, 2011)

THE IPHONE 4S ITS WHAT IT IS AND NOT THE "5" WE ALL ANTICIPATED.IT IS LOGICAL THAT APPLE WOULD DO THIS SINCE THEY HAVE DONE IT BEFORE WITH THE 3GS. ITS CALLED BUSINESS "STRATEGY". ITS WHAT BUSINNESES AND COMPANY DO. I WILL GET THE IPHONE4S FOR ITS GREAT NEW FEATURES AND BUILD CUALITY.THE SAMSUNG GALAXY S2 IS AN AWSOME PHONE BUT IT RUNS ON GOOGLE SYSTEM WHERE AS I OPPERATE ON MAC OR SAFARY.THE GALAXY HAS A NICE SCREEN SIZE THAT I REALY LIKE BUT THE CONSTRUCTION FRAME OF THE BUID IS NOT AS STONG AS THE IPHONES.THE IPHONE ON THE OTHER HAND HAS A SMALLER SCREAN BUT ITS NOT BAD AND IMAGES WILL LOOK JUST AS GOOD AS IT WOULD ON THE GALAXY SAMSUNG.AND THOSE NEW FEATURES THAT COME ON THE I4S ARE AWSOME TOO.BOTH ARE AWSOME PHONES BUT A CHOICE IS SOMETHING "PERSONAL YOU MAKE ". MAY AEVERYONE MAKE THEIR OWN CHOICE FREELY AND ENJOY WHAT YOU HAVE CHOSEN AND BE HAPPY.

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ianz28
By ianz28 (Oct 7, 2011)

To all the idiots bashing DPReview for this news item. It's nothing new. DPReview has been reporting camera phones for a long time.

Nokia:
http://blog.dpreview.com/editorial/2009/07/new-nokia-heralds-camerphone-convergence.html
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0504/05042702nokia_n90.asp

Just a few days ago for android:
http://www.dpreview.com/news/1109/11092915flickrandroidapp.asp

Another android related one:
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0911/09110602photoshopmobileandroid.asp

Stop worrying about a silly phone. No one cares what kind of phone you use and no one cares if you are a PC or a Mac or a Nikonian or a Conanite. Only the most shallow of individuals would pass judgment on another based solely on these reasons.

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Dnv
By Dnv (Oct 9, 2011)

Two years old Nokia. Something about software. But nothing about new phones with interesting cameras . Where are LG 2x with 1080p, or HTC evo 3d with 3d photos? Theyare really more interesting than Iphone 4s.

Phones with interesting cameras already has been before Iphone 4s in this year, but DPreview wrote only about Iphone. This is strange.
P.S. sorry for my English. :(

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METROMODEPHOTO
By METROMODEPHOTO (Oct 9, 2011)

YOU COUL'NT SAY IT ANY BETTER

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Aperture79
By Aperture79 (Oct 15, 2011)

I TYPE IN ALL CAPS, BECAUSE I AM A PRO ABOUT EVERYTHING TO DO WITH TECH. YOU SHOULD LISTEN TO ME.

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backayonder
By backayonder (Oct 6, 2011)

I know nothing about the Nokia N8 or for that matter the iPhone either.
Can't believe that people are buying the iPhone just because of its camera capabilities. Maybe just maybe as a whole the iPhone is better all round.

Did the owners of the Nokia N8 choose that phone purely for its camera capabilities?

The only Apple product I own is a Classic Ipod. The only reason I purchased that is because for the last 7 years I have been living, working, photographing and travelling the great Australian Outback. The Ipod along wih a Bose Sound dock has made it possible for me to leave my HIFI and 900 odd CD collection at home and still have access to my music.

I just embrace innovation and technology whoever invents it.
Apple bashers, Microsoft bashers, good job you don't depise Edison as much as you'd be like mushrooms and left in the dark.

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Neroon
By Neroon (Oct 6, 2011)

I am amused by all the Apple Haters out there. THe bottom line for me is that I own two DSLRs and a Canon G11. Since I got my iPhone I use my DSLRs more and I use my G11 almost never - twice in 6 months. The combination of software, images, ease of use, and the reality that the best camera is the one you have with you has changed how I do casual photography. Even more important is that I can post any picture I take with it to my Facebook page in a matter of minutes from the shot, the editing, and the upload. Apple might not have the best phone, but they have the support, the infrastructure (iCloud will be killer), and superior pricing. The fact is they sell more smart phones than any other single manufacturer. Apple also makes more than 51% of the profit for all smart phones -- dig that, they make more profit than all other smart phone makers combined. I do agree that a roundup on just the photo/camera software for camera phones would be nice. I love my iPhone4 and Camera+, they rock!

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costinul_ala
By costinul_ala (Oct 6, 2011)

"The fact is they sell more smart phones than any other single manufacturer" their numbers are great, better than ever, quite a spectacular business -no doubt about that! so there is no reason to lie about the number of sold smart phones - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-15165048

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AnHund
By AnHund (Oct 6, 2011)

Not bad with some competition.

I own an iPhone 3gs and what a difference from the old Nokia 6210 Navigator when I got it. It was light years ahead of any smart phone from Nokia 2-3 years ago and I still like it very much.

I use the camera, but rarely think about it as a real camera, although it is possible to capture ok images with it.

Just saw the sample photos from the 4s and they are better, but still they are not that good and not even close in image quality to the output from a good P&S like Canon s95.

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Steven Noyes
By Steven Noyes (Oct 7, 2011)

@costinul_ala

What he said is 100% accurate. Android is not a manufacture Apple, HTC, Samsung, Nokia and ZTE are examples of manufactures.

For that ComScore has Apple at the #1 spot but will probably slip to Samsung for the next quarter and then Sammy and Apple will slip again for the following.

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costinul_ala
By costinul_ala (Oct 7, 2011)

@Steven Noyes when comparing the sales the period is very relevant as the market shifts quickly. I posted a link to that article with numbers by Gartner. There isn't a break down per manufacturer but only Apple makes OS and only Nokia makes Symbian phones (previously there were some Sony Ericsson too but i think irrelevant to the period)

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Steven Noyes
By Steven Noyes (Oct 7, 2011)

http://www.isuppli.com/Mobile-and-Wireless-Communications/News/Pages/IHS-iSuppli-Fast-Facts-on-Apple%E2%80%99s-New-iPhone-Introduction.aspx

With Nokia's a plummet in smartphone sales (> than a loss of 30% YoY), it is stunning. This data does not show Nokia's sales but Symbian's sales share. One source of serious error is your belief that Nokia alone makes Symbian handsets. This is a false assessment of the industry. While all major players except Nokia have abandoned Symbian, several minor OEMs still use it.

At this point, saying Apple sales more smartphones than any other company is accurate based on a plurality of data available.

Q3 will see Samsung, fueled by Bada, pull ahead and Nokia fall further behind.

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costinul_ala
By costinul_ala (Oct 7, 2011)

"While all major players except Nokia have abandoned Symbian, several minor OEMs still use it" - and how much does this account for at 20000k/quarter?
"At this point" meaning Q2 and ignoring all the rest of the table.
Predictions here : http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=1622614

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Tord S Eriksson
By Tord S Eriksson (Oct 9, 2011)

While I haven't got a smart phone at the present, like a iPhone, I do like most of Apple's products, from iMac to iPad, not to mention earlier Macs. I did have (probably have it around somewhere) a very able Samsung smart phone, but I still prefer a nice compact for casual photography.

The present 'on the job' cameras are a Sony HX9V and a Olympus XZ-1 (the latter much better in low light, the former far better at video) - never (in the forseeable future) will these be surpassed by a smart phone!

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hiro_pro
By hiro_pro (Oct 6, 2011)

iCondolences Steve Jobs

Is the iPhone iconic in the way it revolutionized things? Yes

Would it be nice if dpreview did a group roundup on camera phones or told us a little more about them? Yes

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ianz28
By ianz28 (Oct 7, 2011)

That would imply a full blown review instead of just a simple 1 paragraph newsblurb.

That would be a waste of time better spent reviewing products that matter to photographers.

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Steven Noyes
By Steven Noyes (Oct 7, 2011)

100% agree. I would love to see a quick review on some of these phones and really pit them against each other. I have been amazed at the quality I pull out of the iPhone 4. NR is well under control with minimal SR NR going on.

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Pork Slinger
By Pork Slinger (Oct 10, 2011)

As the #1 Camera on Flickr it is relevant to photographers.

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f_stops
By f_stops (Oct 6, 2011)

Note that there is an Android news item just a few stores below this one.

So much for the Apple>dpreview conspiracy. Should I go over and complain on that story that it is not news?

Silly fanboys.

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Najinsky
By Najinsky (Oct 6, 2011)

Commentors, please stop the anti-iPhone nonsense and accusations of bias. This year the iPhone became the most popular camera used to upload to flickr, surpassing DSLR in all the runner-up spots. Regardless of your opinions on iPhone or Apple, that fact is a fact, and that popularity makes it news worthy.

In response to that popularity, the iPhone 4S announcement included specific presentations and a video documentary on how they went about improving the lens, sensor and camera app to make it a better photography tool within massive design constraints.

DPR would not be doing their job if they didn't acknowledge this news. Even if it's a news article you are not interest in, if you can not see the newsworthiness of this article, I suggest you look closer to home for evidence of bias.

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globethrottle
By globethrottle (Oct 6, 2011)

DPR is biased in their selective news, thats nonsense, and makes people react. If popularity is the case, then what is the review of pro cameras like the 1ds mk3 doing here.

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Rage Joe
By Rage Joe (Oct 6, 2011)

"Regardless of your opinions on iPhone or Apple, that fact is a fact, and that popularity makes it news worthy."

Regardless your opinion ;)

Nokia sells more cameras :) than any other company. How about that. Well, that's no news.

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Najinsky
By Najinsky (Oct 6, 2011)

@Rage Joe. Nokia sells phones, some with a better camera. If it was sold as a camera rather than a phone, your point would be valid (except many Nokias have lower spec cameras, only the top range have the good one).

But many more people have chosen to share their photos taken with iPhones, thats what makes it relevant to photography.

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Najinsky
By Najinsky (Oct 6, 2011)

@globethrottle, 1DS Mk3 is a camera and belongs on a camera site. iPhone is a phone and wouldn't be a photo news story if were it not for the camera impacting popular photography.

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Rage Joe
By Rage Joe (Oct 6, 2011)

@Najinsky. Not too many people have chosen to share their photos taken with Nikon D3x to upload to flickr, thats what makes it irrelevant to photography.

What a joke this whole thing with that iCrap and dpreview ;)

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Najinsky
By Najinsky (Oct 6, 2011)

@Rage Joe, you're quite right about 'my opinion'. There should really have been a full stop after the facts. Bad wording on my part. And obviously the opinion in question is DPR's editor, not mine, like you, I don't get to choose what constitutes news here. I was just acknowledging that I thought the editor got it right.

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Najinsky
By Najinsky (Oct 6, 2011)

@Rage Joe, I think perhaps you just like to be contrary. You know the D3x is relevant to photography. And you know that uploads to flickr do not define the singular criteria for photo relevancy. And I'm pretty sure that deep down you also know that millions of people taking photos with their phone has at least some relevancy in a photography context.

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larrytusaz
By larrytusaz (Oct 7, 2011)

Well, McDonald's (where I'm eating at now, in fact) sells more hamburgers than anybody else, but I wouldn't expect a magazine dealing with chefs & the art of fine cooking to say anything about them. In like manner, this site is supposed to be about ARTISTIC PHOTOGRAPHY, not "junk food photography," or so I thought anyway (and I do both, but still).

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Kenneth Margulies
By Kenneth Margulies (Oct 6, 2011)

Apple just integrates everything better. The products are elegant. Other products may catch up...someday. But for now, Steve Jobs has left an amazing legacy.

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AnHund
By AnHund (Oct 6, 2011)

Wow, is that serious. I always disliked iTunes. It is really not a very good application.

It is also very irritating how Apple blocks every thing. On the iPad it should be possible to add documents (PDFs etc) with the SD-card reader, but no this is not possible. Only through iTunes.

Also transferring photos to the iPad from iTunes reduces the quility too much and makes the images look bad.

There are so many things that are not integrated very well or blocked that someone should kick Apple.

A long list could be made about irritating limitations on Apple products.

And yes I still like the products (iPhone/iPad), but all those limitations i could do without.

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larrytusaz
By larrytusaz (Oct 7, 2011)

AnHund nailed it. It is RIDICULOUS that you MUST use iTunes to do anything with Apple devices. Just nuts. My SanDisk e280 MP3 player allows me to change my own battery & all I have to do to upload songs is plug it in & "drag & drop" in "My Computer" just as if it were a USB flash drive.

You can't change the battery on most Apple devices, and then even when people worked around that they did the "pentalabular" screws thing (I probably misspelled that). I mean, what arrogance.

If that's "innovation" or "integration," you can have it. I mean gee whiz, next thing you know Apple's going to invent an "iToilet" which MAKES you order toilet paper through iTunes and seals up the water tank with special screws so you can't "giggle the handle," all to make it "pretty" and "innovative"--and people will SWEAR toilets didn't exist prior to the iToilet. Ugh.

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Kenneth Margulies
By Kenneth Margulies (Oct 7, 2011)

Yes, Apple has some quirks. But for most people, the Apple products work quite well, both individually and when integrated together rather seamlessly. I am sure SanDisk sells a couple of MP3 players for a price lower than Apple's iTouch, but there is a reason Apple does relatively well in the market place. In any event, the variety in the market benefits all consumers. My post merely points out that Steve Jobs has done something amazing and his products are elegant.

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Cakewalker
By Cakewalker (Oct 7, 2011)

Why are people so obsessed with changing the battery on phones? I've had phones for a number of different brands over the years, including a couple of old hand-me-downs, have tended to keep phones longer than average but have never needed to change the battery and have never owned a spare battery to change to. For those circumstances when a spare battery would be useful there's plenty of accessories to plug into the USB port to fulfil that need. Having a changeable battery does influence the 'feel' of a phone, though - no matter how robustly designed the phone is there's always a hollow panel of plastic on the back that tends to make the phones feel cheap.

Cameras (and I'd argue laptops) are a different beast because of different usage patterns - a camera is off a fair proportion of the time (or in very low power mode) but when it is brought into use may be used very intensively. Having an idea of charge left is difficult as batteries may be drained completely in the space of hours.

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Pork Slinger
By Pork Slinger (Oct 10, 2011)

"It is RIDICULOUS that you MUST use iTunes to do anything with Apple devices" With the new iPhone and iOS there is NO requirement for a Mac or PC or iTunes. The tethering cord has been cut in a post PC world.

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jcmarfilph
By jcmarfilph (Oct 6, 2011)

RIP Steve Jobs

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jcmarfilph
By jcmarfilph (Oct 6, 2011)

No Apple iPhone 5: 10 Reasons Why iPhone 4S will Lose to Samsung Galaxy S2

http://img.ibtimes.com/www/articles/20111005/225594_apple-inc-iphone-iphone-5-iphone-4s-samsung-galaxy-s2-8mp-led-flash-camera-a5-processor-ios-5-icloud.htm

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Stu 5
By Stu 5 (Oct 6, 2011)

Interesting read. Only thing is the screen on the Samsung has got one big weakness... it's colour accuracy is way off compared to the iPhone 4.

The other thing is they go on about Flash. They do not seem to be aware that Windows 8 that comes out next year that uses Metro apps does not and will not support puggins on it's browser which Microsoft have confirmed means it will not support Adobe Flash. They seem to be sick of it for the same reasons as Apple. Already web designers are looking at HTML5 and other options. On top of this the Samsung is not that great at playing Quicktime. It appears to have issues depending on what codecs have been used.

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Roger Nordin
By Roger Nordin (Oct 12, 2011)

The author to that article seem heavily based towards the Samsung... aside from the obvious errors, esp in the "comparison table" which is contains inaccurate statements to the point of being amusing, he makes the same mistake as Nokia has been doing for years: Getting high on all the hardware aspects, and neglecting the software aspects completely...

Just to name one simple example... a NFC chip isn't gonna make electronic transactions happen on its own... it will sit there completely useless without market acceptance and proper software support... look at Africa, they are doing mobile payments since long without any NFC chips involved at all - software is a lot more powerful than hardware in terms of actual end user functionality!

As for me, I find the actual standby times much better on my iPhone4 than the G2... but hey, I can always carry some spare batteries for the G2, that was a huge advantage according to that article... yeah, right. LOL

/iPhone4 and a Galaxy S2 owner

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vinersan
By vinersan (Oct 5, 2011)

now i understand why there where so many news about camera-phones (especially iphones)

this was ordered by apple in order to prepare the turf for the new release...

very disappointed with dpreview... i will start to look for a new site for reviews and everything as this isn't bias at all anymore :(

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Barney Britton
By Barney Britton (Oct 7, 2011)

Your version of reality is interesting, but entirely invented.

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globethrottle
By globethrottle (Oct 5, 2011)

I just don't get it, why isn't other better cameraphones even mentioned as news? I mean this is mainly a camera site, right? All i see in the iphone specs has been around in other phones for years! are we living on the same planet or what?

Comment edited 4 minutes after posting
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billybones1918
By billybones1918 (Oct 5, 2011)

yaaaawn

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Rage Joe
By Rage Joe (Oct 5, 2011)

Device ... Sensor size ... F stop (max aperture) ... Year .....Raw Light gathering ability

Nokia N8 .................... 1/1.83"... F2.8 .... 2010 ...... 3.81
Nokia N86.....................1/2.3" ... F2.4 .... 2009 ...... 3.28
Nokia N82 (and N95) .......1/2.5" ... F 2.8..... 2007...... 2.04
Sony Ericsson Xperia Arc ...1/3.2" ... F2.4 ..... 2011 ..... 1.67
Samsung Galaxy S II........1/3.2" ... F 2.65 ....2011 ..... 1.39
Apple iPhone 4 (now old)....1/3.2" ... F2.8...... 2010 ......1.25

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aleckurgan
By aleckurgan (Oct 5, 2011)

Hey dpreview, stop this iNonsense!!
Or take the trouble to review other smartphones like HTC, Samsung, etc.

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ianz28
By ianz28 (Oct 7, 2011)

They didnt review it. Just put a news blurb about it.

And if you took the time to check the news history for DPReview they have reported other camera phones.

idiot

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Aperture79
By Aperture79 (Oct 15, 2011)

ianz28, this is no place to be making sense and having rational thoughts. Cant you see their are people tryn to hate on apple here?

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skytripper
By skytripper (Oct 5, 2011)

Judging the iPhone solely on the basis of its camera is like judging a new car by its radio: completely nonsensical.

As for the Apple haters out there: You only make yourself look ignorant when you trash a device that is so far ahead of the competition in the ways that actually matter. Anyone who thinks the competition is better should by all means rush right out and buy something else.

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Rage Joe
By Rage Joe (Oct 5, 2011)

So you judge a camera by in which car you see it? Magnificient.

;)

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itzhak_
By itzhak_ (Oct 6, 2011)

Well, this IS the digital photo review site, so the device should be judged by its camera. Also, Apple may be far ahead for the things that matter to you, but others prefer other phones for things that matter to them. Live with it.

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skytripper
By skytripper (Oct 7, 2011)

Photography website or not, it makes no sense to judge a smartphone by its camera. But the real point is that those who enjoy dissing the iPhone do so without regard for its strengths or its weaknesses. They simply enjoy putting down Apple, which makes them look pretty dumb if you ask me. I could care less what phone other people buy, but loud-mouthed put-downs of the iPhone are uncalled for. Live with it.

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Rage Joe
By Rage Joe (Oct 5, 2011)

This is sad, so sad,

Typical american bulls***. iPhone! :)))

Hahhaha! It was already one year ago when Nokia introduced a much much better camera phone, Nokia N8, but there was no mention of that in Dpreview at all. This makes you wonder if this whole site is pretty biased in tests and news.

By the way, N8 still is the best camera phone on the market, but the only thing you see here is that old iCrap. Here, a couple of samples / N8 :

http://nokian8blog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/NokiaN8Blog-Samples.jpg
http://nokian8blog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/NokiaN8Blog-Samples-4.jpg

/http://nokian8blog.com/category/n8-images

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Rage Joe
By Rage Joe (Oct 5, 2011)

OK, to be fair they let me at least start a discussion on Nokia N8 last year. All those laughs and ridicule I got, because of that ;)))

"Nokia N8 - I hope Dpreview would preview it!"

No Preview they did her at Dpreview anyhow, and now this iCrap !!! hahahah! Way over one year later! Magnificient.

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1018&message=36807905

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Rage Joe
By Rage Joe (Oct 5, 2011)

Here, one more nice little test:

Canon S90 vs. Nokia N8

Nokia N8:
http://birds.kuvat.fi/kuvat/Tekniikka/N8-S90/11-N8.jpg/full

Canon S90:
http://birds.kuvat.fi/kuvat/Tekniikka/N8-S90/11-S90.jpg/full

all photos:
http://birds.kuvat.fi/kuvat/Tekniikka/N8-S90/

Try that at home, bye!

5 upvotes
ijustloveshooting
By ijustloveshooting (Oct 6, 2011)

these shots are quite awesome for a phone !

1 upvote
f_stops
By f_stops (Oct 6, 2011)

The N8 is not 'news' because it is not new, and the N9 is irrelevant to the US market.

No US carrier sells Nokia N8 or N9. It is simply not available unless you purchase it from an importer - and will have no carrier support.

I am not anti-Nokia - in fact I would buy an N9 if available . Simply not worth the cost and risk.

The iPhone 4S is news - because many of us use iPhones as our compact cameras.

A phone camera comparison article would be interesting - much more so than some of the low-end reviews here.

The anti-apple posts here are very entertaining. Just amazing to see irrational emotional response by android users. To argue this is not news, then start harping over clock speeds is silly. To never visit dpreview again because of this news item? Hilarious.

There are plenty of 'news' items here I'm not interested in. I don't comment on each one and complain. I just skip them.

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costinul_ala
By costinul_ala (Oct 6, 2011)

there are human beings outside the US .... who can also read and have internet access too
other than that, N8 is an example, there are others ...
it is not cool not to review competition too

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Josh152
By Josh152 (Oct 5, 2011)

The only reason the iPhone is so popular is because sites like this give it all the press.

In other words, It doesn't get all press because it's popular it is popular because it gets all the press. It has nothing to do with how good of a phone it is or how well it meets consumer needs.

It's like no one remembers when the first Iphone came out and before any one even had one they were saying it was the best thing since phones were invented. Even though they only thing it did that was new or better then what was already on the market was the touchscreen. This is why apple products are popular even though better, more full featured, and cheaper products exist.

Apples real specialty and success isn't the iPhone or the iPad. It is marketing. That is what they excel at that that is why they sell millions of sub-par, overpriced, shiny, iWhatevers.

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ianz28
By ianz28 (Oct 5, 2011)

Ahhh the old PC vs Mac argument for the modern day.

$200 for a mobile web browser, phone, gps, camera, walkman, gameboy. + apps for just about everything.

Pretty cheap if you ask me.

So, you have it all wrong. The Iphone is popular because it's a well designed and a very refined product.

All others are simply emulating what Apple did right in the first place.

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KAllen
By KAllen (Oct 6, 2011)

The reason the iPhone is so popular is because it was the first usable smart phone. I had other so called smart phones before the "i". On the box they did very similar to what an iPhone did. In reality they were hopeless. I breathed a sigh of relief when I lost my last Nokia, I now had a reason to get an iPhone. Going from a buggy useless Nokia to a phone that actually worked, one that organised txt, one that actually had a useable email, one that synced easily with my computer was a godsend. My Wife has a Galaxy of some kind. You don't even have to switch it on to realise it's no iPhone substitute, you just need to pick it up. Add in Apples backup. My daughter dropped my iPhone while shooting video for a degree project with it, it cracked the screen in one corner. A few months later I took it into the shop with query about something else, they gave me a new phone, nothing much wrong with the old one and I did not ask or expect a new one.

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Stu 5
By Stu 5 (Oct 6, 2011)

That type of service level makes the phone worth it all on it's own. They have just been going on about HTC phones on the TV where one person had to wait about 3 months to get it back and then it had no battery so she bought one and found the phone still had the same fault!

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fastprime
By fastprime (Oct 5, 2011)

I'm waiting for the iPhone 10

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Veraky
By Veraky (Oct 5, 2011)

Ah the iphone, seems to bring out the worst in many people, either you love it or hate it WAY to much! I have to agree with some though, seems somewhat odd to all the sudden come out with an iphone 4s launch peice, especially on what I consider one of the most technical and serious digital camera sites. On the flip side though it might be interesting to start seeing reviews of various phones cameras but in doing that you can't just focus on one phone, even if it's the most popular and dare I say over-hyped phone around. Ultimately, mentioning/writing about the iphone can drive people to a website, and may introduce this website to some new people which really isn't a bad thing, that is untill you get people saying that my iphone is more popular thus better then your (insert highend point & shoot/dslr here)!

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Erik Neu
By Erik Neu (Oct 5, 2011)

Will it be possible to connect the iPhone via bluetooth to a Canon Selphy CP 800 printer?
Would be perfect for my project ''Childhood Memories'' as back up.
Have a look at http://www.gofundme.com/6n2tk

Erik
Vietnam

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Eddy M
By Eddy M (Oct 5, 2011)

Who cares? iPhone sucks! so what?

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PhotoArtKC
By PhotoArtKC (Oct 5, 2011)

Apple dropped the ball for a change... The iPhone 4S is too little too late. Everyone has 8mp phones, dual cores and LARGER screens these days. Most of those even work on a 4G network! Really Apple, think about it for a second...

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chadley_chad
By chadley_chad (Oct 5, 2011)

? the iPhone screen may be smaller but its higher res, it has the fastest processor (the A5 is twice as fast as the Galaxy SII!), a great camera and is backed by the most and best photography apps available (including iPhoto and iMovie). Thats a pretty good reason to get one in my books!!!

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JohnMcL7
By JohnMcL7 (Oct 5, 2011)

No it's not, that's nonsense - the Galaxy S2's processor consists of two cortex A9's, which is exactly the same as the A5 which is also two cortex A9's. However the A5 in the Ipad 2 is clocked at 1Ghz whereas the S2 is not only faster at the moment at 1.2Ghz but new versions are going to be faster yet. Furthermore the Iphone4 had a lower clocked version of the A4 than the first Ipad so it's likely the Iphone 4S will also have a lower clocked processor so if any phone is going to be twice as fast it will be the newer Galaxy phones.

The screen may be higher resolution but that doesn't really count for much when it's so much smaller and nowhere near as bright either.

So if those are the best reasons for getting an Iphone 4S you clearly agree with the original poster that there is no point in getting one.

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AngryCorgi
By AngryCorgi (Oct 5, 2011)

The Galaxy S2 also has a weak GPU (mali 400MP) that performs WORSE than the tegra2, while the SGX543MP2 in the iPhone 4s should deliver between 3x-4x the performance of the tegra2 --- IOW, the Galaxy graphics engine is WAY behind the iPhone 4s' engine. It's also doubtful that the clock speed of the iPhone 4s will be lower than the iPad 2. The benefit of the A5 architecture is its ability to alter clock speed in response to work load and electrical power availability. It is more likely that it will be down-clocked some while on battery and up-clocked while on-the-grid. Thermal dissapation design of the phone will dictate the maximum clock more than anything.

Saying a larger, lower-res screen is a plus is nonsense. Go watch TV on an old 65" projector POS and sell your HDTV if you believe that nonsense.

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KAllen
By KAllen (Oct 6, 2011)

A hi res screen does not count for much? Nonsense it's a huge advantage, especially if you want to watch cricket under the duvet in the middle of the night.

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Steven Noyes
By Steven Noyes (Oct 7, 2011)

You missed it. It is about the software and services. The hardware is basically old hat and given iOS is significantly more advanced performance wise compared to Android (for example. iOS and WP7 are pretty much on par performance wise) there is a reason a first gen iPhone feels as responsive as a Droid Bionic.

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AnHund
By AnHund (Oct 5, 2011)

No reason to upgrade from 3gs. I'm waiting for 5 or 6 to get a significant upgrade.

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elleyyh
By elleyyh (Oct 5, 2011)

I'll just sum this up and end of heated discussion. Corporate Propaganda Politics. Sure, there are so many Apple fanboy around the web saying Apple "invented phones with icons" or "best camera based on Flicker" "first with touch screen device" or "the Jap devices suck". People are so blind to know even know about iPAQs palm or Sony clie. I can't wait to see when they say Apple invented the wheel! Hey, DPreview I can't wait for you to review this amazing Iphone 4s camera! give me a break

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Earthlight
By Earthlight (Oct 5, 2011)

Well, I appreciate this news more than some of the "articles" of late. That said, the other worthy phonecams should likewise get headlines. If not, it really is weird.

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BMWX5
By BMWX5 (Oct 5, 2011)

Is the screen bigger than IP4?

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ARTASHES
By ARTASHES (Oct 5, 2011)

No

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mjoshi
By mjoshi (Oct 5, 2011)

DPReview.com to remain fair and balanced (not in Fox news way) please post news about every other 8Megapixel sensor phones that are released henceforth. To start with HTC Titan has 8MP camera with F2.2 lens so that might be worth covering here. It is not fair to cover only Apple products related news when other companies are producing equally competant (and in some instances superior) products.

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chadley_chad
By chadley_chad (Oct 5, 2011)

Some people just don't get it!

The iPhone has become iconic just as many other Apple products have not because people are sheep, but because at last, someone has given people what they want; and those MILLIONS and MILLIONS of people have voted with their wallet!

It may not be the best in its class (close though), but its certainly the market leader; and as something that millions of people use to take pictures with on a daily basis, and a creator of so many other related infrastructures that have introduced many more to the joys of photography (like iPhoto and Apps), it deserves the right to be discussed on here like every other big brand.

Had the HTC Titan been half a good a phone as the iPhone then it too would have become as successful ... its nothing to do with the name (Apple), its everything to do with how good it is ... and its a shame people are prepared to knock it just because they feel some allegiance to anything that isn't the status quo!

Don't knock it, try it!

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_sem_
By _sem_ (Oct 5, 2011)

Erhm, iphone is the #1 digital /camera/ according to flickr, no other camera phone is in top five. How come?

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xMichaelx
By xMichaelx (Oct 5, 2011)

You had me until "Had the HTC Titan been half a good a phone as the iPhone then it too would have become as successful"

Would you consider Justin Bieber the "best"? If not, why not? After all, he sells more albums than just about anyone else out there right now.

Popularity is not a sign of quality. It never has been. It's a sign of great marketing and a good-enough-for-now-product. This isn't a flame to Apple, which makes great products. But your argument is vacuous.

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AnHund
By AnHund (Oct 5, 2011)

Just looked at the sample photos. Good for a phone, but not even close to the IQ of a decent pocket camera.

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sublogic
By sublogic (Oct 5, 2011)

The #1 digital camera (iPhone) on Flickr just received a nice update to its camera (along with software and other hardware too). DPreview = Digital Photography website, am I right? Unless your phone is #1 in the world at taking pics on Flickr, then get out of here you cry babies.. wahhh my fandroid cam is not listed.. not fair!!

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ARNON GEORGE
By ARNON GEORGE (Oct 5, 2011)

If you are disappointed,'then call it iPhone 5

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RedFox88
By RedFox88 (Oct 5, 2011)

If this was called the iPhone 5, hardly anyone would be "whining" that it isn't a "new" model. Strange is gets OS #5 but called the 4s. New CPU, new camera, new OS, new features, wireless syncing, longer battery... sounds like a whole new camera to me! Who cares what it is named because it's a whole new phone/camera/computer.

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MirosIav
By MirosIav (Oct 5, 2011)

I agree with negative comments - there's no place for iPhone news here, at least until other (decent camera) phone manufacturers are represented as well. I'd like to see reviews and comparisons of phone cameras, but it should start with Nokia N8, not iPhone 4S.

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chadley_chad
By chadley_chad (Oct 5, 2011)

Your views and opinion of what is the best selling phone on the market obviously differ to the many MILLIONS and MILLIONS of people that think otherwise! If the N8 was as popular then I'm sure we'd be discussing that too/instead ... but ask yourself why it isn't (and thats the reason why we're talking about the iphone not Nokia).

If you don't like talking about big name products (Apple, Canon, Nikon etc) then find a more dedicated site for your needs ... don't write here bashing something thats justified its coverage!

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MirosIav
By MirosIav (Oct 5, 2011)

If dpreview based its news and reviews on "most popular" it would not look like it does. Take a look at its reviews. Do you see a Canon A800 or Nikon L24 review? MILLIONS and MILLIONS of people have bought those cameras, much more than will ever buy Sony NEX-5N or Canon EOS 600D. So what? dpreview covers relevant photographic tools and there are better camera phones than iPhone 4S whose announcement wasn't even menioned.

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Erik Neu
By Erik Neu (Oct 5, 2011)

Will it be possible to connect the iPhone via bluetooth to Canon Selphy CP 800 printer?
Would be perfect for my project ''Childhood Memories'' as back up.
Have a look at http://www.gofundme.com/6n2tk

Erik
Vietnam

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Jon Ragnarsson
By Jon Ragnarsson (Oct 5, 2011)

Why didn't the Samsung Galaxy II get the same coverage? It has HD video and 8MP camera too...

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chadley_chad
By chadley_chad (Oct 5, 2011)

Because it hasn't sold as many as the iPhone or captured peoples mind as much ... or backed up that product with related infrastructure products like iPhoto, the iPad and the hundreds of photography related Apps!

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KAllen
By KAllen (Oct 6, 2011)

... and it's a flimsy device made of cheap plastic, why would you take it seriously?
I wonder how long it will be before you need to buy a firewall to protect your Android from virus attacks.

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harry2007
By harry2007 (Oct 5, 2011)

Apple iPhone news on DPReview.com?

I have never seen any Android news here ... hmmm ...

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epo001
By epo001 (Oct 5, 2011)

Well, Android is an operating system and DPR is not a software site. The iPhone, on the other hand, is a very popular carry about camera.

Better luck next time fandroid.

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Fletch50mm
By Fletch50mm (Oct 5, 2011)

To be fair - Android news was posted yesterday:

http://www.dpreview.com/news/1110/11100315adobephotoshoptouch.asp

It generated 4 responses. 1 of which was gibberish...

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Hasan BALARISI
By Hasan BALARISI (Oct 5, 2011)

Iphone4 kullanan birisi olarak Iphone4s beklentilerimi karşılayacak bir ürün olmadı.
En azından Iphone4 deki fiziki ölçüleri değiştirmeden daha büyük bir ekranı görmek isterdim.

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Marc Lorenz
By Marc Lorenz (Oct 5, 2011)

Look at the EXIF data of those shots. It seems that iPhone 4S is going back to 35mm equivalent focal length, as opposed to 28mm, as with the iPhone 4.

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kits
By kits (Oct 5, 2011)

How many know that Sony Ericsson Xperia Arc can take lovely Panorama pictures and even 3D Panorama pictures similar to NEX cameras? Yes, it too has 8MP, can take HD video has a lovely 4.2" Bravia Engine screen and is already 6 months old. Oh, it also has an Exmor sensor which takes lovely pictures in low light. If only, it had Apple label on it :-)

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ianz28
By ianz28 (Oct 5, 2011)

Never heard of it

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sublogic
By sublogic (Oct 5, 2011)

It might do all that, but it probably doesn't do it as good as an iPhone.. remember, it's not always about the megapixels.. software and aesthetics matter too. Then people wonder why the iPhone is #1 on Flickr ;)

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Fletch50mm
By Fletch50mm (Oct 5, 2011)

This blurs the line between phone/camera further

http://phandroid.com/2011/09/29/panasonic-lumix-phone-101p-digital-camera-meets-android/

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Benny Iskandar
By Benny Iskandar (Oct 5, 2011)

Came on Adobe, please bring that CS installed on my new iphone 4s ;)

0 upvotes
shaocaholica
By shaocaholica (Oct 5, 2011)

No RAW? It's about time these phones with progressively better cameras start to support RAW.

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louis_
By louis_ (Oct 5, 2011)

I would be very interested to see a review by dpreview of iphone 4s' photo capability and comparison with other smartphones and entry level P&S

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xiod_crlx
By xiod_crlx (Oct 5, 2011)

there are no entry level P&S in iPhone 4\4S range =)
it's dSLR price range or at least mirrorless

please keep it in mind!

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Valentinian
By Valentinian (Oct 5, 2011)

what about "portability range" ?

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Marshal
By Marshal (Oct 5, 2011)

I just bought the new Samsung Galaxy S II, which I'm going to keep, but I will give lots of credit where it's due and say that the iPhone 4S has great specs, both on the photo & video end and even more so, Siri, the virtual assistant who can do Voice to Text messaging and also does searches for you. That is really cool to me.

If I didn't already have a new phone, I'd consider holding out just another few weeks for the iP4S.

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meshal
By meshal (Oct 5, 2011)

sgs2 already got voice to text messaging and more...

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nemo6666
By nemo6666 (Oct 5, 2011)

Could you check if your unit has also the red spot issue?
And...how about the heat problem around camera on the back when using heavy working apps? From 3 units tested by myself, all showed the above written.

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Jabba23
By Jabba23 (Oct 5, 2011)

wow you don't seem to know about the capabilities of your phone if you think Siri is all that great. Voice search has been around on Android since before the 3Gs my little brother often chats to me on gtalk with the phone dictating for him and I get my phone to dial numbers and navigate me in the car all the time. The photo functions of the iPhone look to be pretty good but the Samsungs have been making great camera phones for a good length of time already.

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chadley_chad
By chadley_chad (Oct 5, 2011)

Yeah, but its only Apple thats brought all that together for the masses to easily use isn't it .... so rather than dissing them, why not applaud them for creating the exciting market we have today. Think about it; if it wasn't for Apple, its doubtful the Samsung would have existed ... and we'd all be using the same s**t HP and Nokia have been insulting us with for years!

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fotopaul
By fotopaul (Oct 5, 2011)

In this particular reply (and all follow ups) noone is 'dissing' the iphone though.

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Patman888
By Patman888 (Oct 5, 2011)

Are you for real? LOL What does Samsung's success have to with Apple? I know they make chips and screens for Apple products but a lot of their money comes from their LCD sales that just about every company buys from them. The boat loads of money from the A5 and A whatever the old Iphone used is probably just keeping the NX system and camera division afloat until it cracks the market.

So unless their camera division starts turning in a profit soon, Apple most likely contributed very little to Samsung as a whole. In fact, I would say Samsung probably helped them out more.

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Matt Mercier
By Matt Mercier (Oct 5, 2011)

After my initial disappointment at not seeing an iPhone 5, I realized that this is an upgraded squarely at strengthening the iPhones place as (as far as I know) the best image capturing phone. I have an iPhone 3GS which takes 8 seconds to get picture ready.. which can really limit its effectiveness. Fast processing, decent image quality, and finally a solid shutter button (apple now builds in using volume as the shutter) address people like us. As the #1 camera on Flickr, it is valid to discuss. I'm happy to see this kind of post on dpreview, in fact perhaps a few more camera phone reviews over printers... do people still buy those?

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ovrebekk
By ovrebekk (Oct 5, 2011)

Being the #1 camera on flickr doesn't necessarily mean it has the best camera.

Either way, 1080p video, faster start up and (reportedly) better low light performance are good upgrades.

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jcmarfilph
By jcmarfilph (Oct 5, 2011)

#1 camera to throw in garbage shots in Flickr.

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nemo6666
By nemo6666 (Oct 5, 2011)

@jcmarfilph
Really? Is this all u understand about photography? Or more about bashing?

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ombenom
By ombenom (Oct 5, 2011)

big wait for just a minor upgrades which cud have comes 6mnths prior with the features avail on new android fones this was the time for iphone5 wit 4g. n i thot i would go apple way finally but i guess t'll b galaxy s2 or bionic for me unless first qtr of 2012 brings all new iphone 5. to anyone in apple: being competitive is not enuf anymore, to do beter u need to be one up n one up first wit innovations (plural) after htc, samsung, motorola n heck even lg has somthin more to offer or the same wit their existing fones. catching up to them just dont cut it no more globally. n thts y android has 43% of the global market while ios sits at 18%. its all in the #s

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ARTASHES
By ARTASHES (Oct 5, 2011)

You are probably right but this is DPR not GSMArena lol
It's more about 4S's camera which is pretty impressive

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ombenom
By ombenom (Oct 5, 2011)

definitly quality of pics r more impressive(some uk sites hav samples) n full hd video is crisp n plus apple has best apps for edit which myt not be needed

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ombenom
By ombenom (Oct 5, 2011)

one of the first few fotos taken by i4s
http://www.tecca.com/pictures/iphone-4s-photo-gallery-8-fantastic-pictures-show-off-the-new-camera/1/#TeccaPhotoID=3

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Stu 5
By Stu 5 (Oct 5, 2011)

If you read the specs again you will see the 4s is capable of 4G speeds. Apple has just chosen not to call it 4G.

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ARTASHES
By ARTASHES (Oct 5, 2011)

Samples look good maybe even great for a phone still there is some luma noise but great details also
http://www.gsmarena.com/first_apple_iphone_4s_camera_samples_surface_look_stunning-news-3227.php#

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PaulRivers
By PaulRivers (Oct 5, 2011)

I would like to say that I love that dpreview is mentioning, you know, updates to *the most commonly used camera*.

I'm sure there was a lot of whining back in the day about how compacts weren't "real cameras" like dslr's so they "shouldn't be reviewed". Before that about how film was the only way to shoot and these digital cameras were just "a silly novelty", and on and on and on.

I appreciate keeping up to date on the cameras that people are actually using. If there's any updates to the Nokia n8 would love to hear about those, to.

4 upvotes
SM7
By SM7 (Oct 5, 2011)

I havent heard anything about the Nokia N9 on DPR, have you?

10 upvotes
keeponkeepingon
By keeponkeepingon (Oct 5, 2011)

Why would a USA based camera web site

Review a camera phone not available in the USA?

1 upvote
fotopaul
By fotopaul (Oct 5, 2011)

Just because dpreview -very recently- moved to the USA does not mean its sole focus has to be only photography products that are (already) available in the USA.

Why not broaden your horizon a little bit? It could be a fun experience and might even lead to less people thinking americans don't care about anything at all outside their borders in the long run.

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