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Just Posted: Samsung NX200 hands-on preview

By dpreview staff on Sep 1, 2011 at 09:01 GMT

Just Posted: Our Samsung NX200 hands-on preview. We've been using a pre-production NX200 with a series of NX lenses over the past few days and have put together a hands-on preview with image samples gallery. This provides an opportunity to see some of the output from the camera's new 20.3MP sensor and also gives an insight into how Samsung's latest NX body behaves.

Click here to read our hands-on Samsung NX200 preview

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Total comments: 129
safaridon
By safaridon (Sep 13, 2011)

DPR

Seems very strange that the NX200 was not even shown on the most frequently viewed list until today at 1.9% some 12 days after its preview by DPR? Most cameras previewed appear at the top of the most viewed list by the second or before the 5th day of introduction almost without exception and based on the current ranking the NX200 must have been close to the top of the list earlier but DPR didn't want you to know? Appears that Canon, Nikon, Sony, and Olympus have more friends in high places at DPR?

My take is DPR for some reason or another chose to leave Samsung's NX200 out of the rankings until now. How unfair and I am not a Samsung fan but rather a m4/3 fan.

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Michael Barkowski
By Michael Barkowski (Sep 15, 2011)

My take is that DPR gave the NX200 a boost a few days after the preview by posting an additional news story containing a hands-on video. That's all.

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Pentaboy
By Pentaboy (Sep 4, 2011)

Those who saying NX200 is carbon capy of NEX...
Check this...out lol
http://www.digicamreview.com/2007/01/samsung-vluu-nv11-announced.html

Perhaps..it's the other way around....

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alistair252
By alistair252 (Sep 2, 2011)

As a new Samsung-user, I'm still surprised by the way so many people love to hate this company [even my friends say 'but why would you buy a Korean camera??']. I've had the nx100 for about two months and it's already been around the world with me once. Together with the 30mm f2 lens I find it very comfortable to use, compact, light, unobtrusive... and the lens still surprises me regularly with what it can do. Very under-rated camera, IMHO.

I think we should give Samsung a bit of credit here - they seem to be trying to do something good - certainly the new lenses about to come out look VERY promising.

Having said that - the Sony NEX-7 is setting the bar high. I look forward to the NX300 - I'll be ready to upgrade then ;-)

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harrisoncac
By harrisoncac (Sep 2, 2011)

Little bit pricey. Lower price and increased market share may be what Samsung should put their focus on. Smart marketing is far important.

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camera4me
By camera4me (Sep 2, 2011)

For camera reviews and image quality I'd like dpreview to include more images of people than street shots and walls & cars!

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petrocan
By petrocan (Sep 2, 2011)

why don't dpreview finished the review of the nx100 before do this one???

It's been like a year.

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Octane
By Octane (Sep 2, 2011)

The sample photos look better than Sony's SLR A77.

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rohorn
By rohorn (Sep 1, 2011)

Pfft - no wireless flash powder igniter? Why won't the back accidentally open up and expose the virtual film? Shutter buttons are just a profit fad - shutter release levers need to come back so I can tie a string to them so I don't have to buy the remote. Real photographers demand these things from camera corporations!

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alistair252
By alistair252 (Sep 2, 2011)

we should also demand an f64 lens

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Nerkdergler
By Nerkdergler (Sep 3, 2011)

It should also come with an expander kit that makes it 500% larger and adds a bellows and hood. I just can't take myself seriously enough with these tiny modern cameras.

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Quentin (UK)
By Quentin (UK) (Sep 1, 2011)

Poor Samsung. They introduce a "me too" compact high end camera to compete with Sony's game changing Nex range, and its already outclassed by the upcoming Sony Nex-7.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Sep 1, 2011)

Lenses for the Nex system? Ha, ha, ha, one good one that hasn't shipped yet. And is very expensive.

Can't really have a camera sans lens.

A car's engine doesn't propel you down the roads without axles, and wheels, oh and brakes too.

Sony's Nex system is a big mess. It could be fixed.

"game changing" is a tired cliche and it this case it's wrong too.

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lecoupdejarnac
By lecoupdejarnac (Sep 1, 2011)

There are plenty of M-mount lenses by Leica, Voigtlander, etc that are of the absolute highest quality, and can be adapted to the NEX but not to the Samsung NX bodies.

With focus-peaking on NEX, manual focus is extremely easy and pleasant.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Sep 1, 2011)

Right, but those aren't the lenses Sony Nex fans are defending here, nor are they the lenses that the dpreview samples were shot with.

For that matter one can mount a Leica R on a Sigma, but some of the functions will get lost in translation.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Sep 1, 2011)

Right, but those aren't the lenses Sony Nex fans are defending here, nor are they the lenses that the dpreview samples were shot with.

For that matter one can mount a Leica R on a Sigma, but some of the functions will get lost in translation.

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tokyojerry
By tokyojerry (Sep 1, 2011)

Exactly. 10fps vs. 7fps. 0.02 AF versus 0.1 AF, 24MP sensor with BSI versus 20.3MP. That's just for starters. Well, Samsung at least is trying to keep up with the pack rather then become leader of the pack.

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Richard Butler
By Richard Butler (Sep 2, 2011)

0.02 is the timing given for shutter lag by Sony, not AF time.

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sedentary_male
By sedentary_male (Sep 2, 2011)

Not all M-mount lenses by Leica, Voigtlander, etc will work properly on the NEX, the wide-anle lenses in particular suck because the NEX sensor lacks micro lenses unlike the GXR M mount unit that also uses focus-peaking with extremely easy manual focus
http://www.ricoh.com/r_dc/gxr/unit5.html

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starwolfy
By starwolfy (Sep 8, 2011)

This is funny. So you assume that NX system is bad because you can't fit M glass on it? lol, the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. You can still fit all Leica R lens...but I guess R lenses are not enough for your snobery right?

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Patman888
By Patman888 (Sep 1, 2011)

I wonder why howaboutRAW is so threatened by Sony? lol

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Sep 1, 2011)

"treatened" by Sony? In your fevered dreams.

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Patman888
By Patman888 (Sep 2, 2011)

It is obvious. No one can hate a system that much if they weren't. Just look at your replies. Trying to convince people that the NEX 7 is junk when it is like a pre order monster. Very threatened. lol

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eddiegforce
By eddiegforce (Sep 1, 2011)

Very interesting article on Luminous Landscape regarding

Compact System Camera Image Quality

authored by Kevin Gross, Norman Koren, Randy Bockratth and Jason Cope of Imatest LLC

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/essays/csm_image_quality.shtml

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Michael Barkowski
By Michael Barkowski (Sep 2, 2011)

Interesting, but very flawed and misleading - the article frequently makes statements comparing "CSCs to DSLRs" which in actual fact only relate to the sensor size. In fact most of the comments that are not related to sensor size are not directly related to image quality.

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mikiev
By mikiev (Sep 1, 2011)

From the review:
"Sound recording comes courtesy of a pair of stereo microphones on the top plate, but there's no facility to use an external microphone."

Bummer.

All they had to do was ad a mic input, as there is already a hot-shoe to use for mounting a microphone...

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Deleted-pending
By Deleted-pending (Sep 1, 2011)

Good times ! ALL what we have been expected for only 2 years ago from now comes into place : lots of brands are coming out with GREAT portable APS sensored cameras ! This Samsung pocket-able looks great, it just needs a smart marketing, some good prime lenses & a twin video camera, to match sony & panasonic.

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liquidsquid
By liquidsquid (Sep 1, 2011)

You must have pretty deep pockets to stick the lens plus camera in one. Note the size of the kit lens is rather large? Pancake, perhaps.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Sep 1, 2011)

It already has better lenses than Sony Nex and in some ways Olympus. And many more Samsung NX lenses are about to ship this fall.

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Deleted-pending
By Deleted-pending (Sep 1, 2011)

well, no system is really pocketable today, unless you only need to carry 1 single pancake lens, but this limits the shooting a lot. For the moment I am carrying 15kg of photogear for serious shooting, so I would not mind invest in a NEX or NX system a day or another !

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Michael Barkowski
By Michael Barkowski (Sep 2, 2011)

I find the NX100+30mmf2 about the same as the G11 as far as the ability to fit in my pocket. The NX100 is slightly deeper when you include the lens, but it is not is tall. They are about the same weight, including lens and battery. The 30mm F2 takes a 43mm filter directly, while the G11 needs a bulky adapter to allow filters. The NX200 is even smaller than the NX100.

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photo_rb
By photo_rb (Sep 1, 2011)

No viewfinder? Who do they think they are? Hassleblad? Rolleiflex?

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straylightrun
By straylightrun (Sep 1, 2011)

Sony NEX-3C = no viewfinder
Panasonic GF3 = no viewfinder
Olympus E-PM1 = no viewfinder

Why should this camera have one?

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Argote
By Argote (Sep 1, 2011)

Because it competes with the NEX-7 which DOES have a viewfinder...

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straylightrun
By straylightrun (Sep 2, 2011)

If it were to compete with the NEX-7, it would have a viewfinder. This thing even lost the smart shoe accessory port. This is Samsung's most basic model. They will make a new 'rangefinder' body style (not NX10/NX11) with higher specs with EVF and more manual controls that will compete directly with the NEX-7. Not this thing. Why do you think this competes with the NEX-7? Because it has 20MP? That has nothing to do with anything. All you people complaining about this not having a viewfinder are ridiculous. That's like complaining about all of Canon's low end consumer P&S cameras not having an EVF or not allowing manual controls in video.

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brendon1000
By brendon1000 (Sep 2, 2011)

Well it costs $899 which is a pretty penny and comparable to the NEX7 price of $1199 and the NEX7 has the best OLED viewfinder in the business built in.

A lot of people prefer composing through the viewfinder. On a $400 body no one will bother much as a viewfinder will increase the cost. On a so called semi-pro body like the NX200 its a bit of downer to not even have the option of a EVF.

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starwolfy
By starwolfy (Sep 8, 2011)

Well...NEX7 is 1200$ dollar without a lens. This NX200 is 900$ with a lens. What's your point?

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worldcup1982
By worldcup1982 (Sep 1, 2011)

Why no 20mm (fixed) and 20-50mm samples? would be good to know how they will perform with the sensor...

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Sep 1, 2011)

Right, as would comment on the quality of RAW extraction.

Though don't know that the 20mm-50mm lens exists, an 18mm-55 does, and it's not real exciting.

Dprevew should post examples shot with the f/2 30 mm on this NX200; that's a staggering lens.

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Richard Butler
By Richard Butler (Sep 1, 2011)

We don't have Raw support yet, so we can't comment on that yet.

A lot of those sample images were shot with the 30mm F2, a couple with the 18-200 and a few with the 60 Macro. I'll try to label them as such.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Sep 1, 2011)

Thank you for the lens information, too bad about RAW. JPGs on the NX100 are really poor and give absolutely no indication of picture quality, so I imagine the NX200 is the same. Also the RAW extraction software included with the NX100 is truly awful. It's a version of Silkypix and should be removed from the market.

On RAW generally: I handled a Sony SLT A77 yesterday (a Sony rep had it in the camera store I shop in), and after I asked about the SLT77's lowlight performance, he volunteered that he was disappointed that "they" had simply posted preproduction jpgs on the web.

I asked, "by they, you mean dpreview?" and he said, "yes".

How about reviewing RAW extraction software, eg Bibble/DXO/Adobe/Apple, Nikon is probably the only camera company stuff work much. Though that Sony rep said Sony will be doing development work with DXO.

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Richard Butler
By Richard Butler (Sep 1, 2011)

Sony gave us permission to publish pre-production samples and advised us they were representative of final quality.

At which point, the rep's disappointment seems a little odd.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Sep 1, 2011)

I suspect that the Sony representatives don't speak with one voice. Don't know where Dpreview got its SLT A77 example, Seattle? Or London? Neither city is where I handled an SLT A77 yesterday.

Anyhow it will be some months before the good RAW converters catch up with the release of the SLT A77 or the NX200 for that matter.

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Razgriz
By Razgriz (Sep 1, 2011)

Just another 'Viewfinder less' carbon copy of another manufacturers product.

When will these Corporations realise that real photographers prefer usefull additions not omissions. Have any of there R&D people ever spent a day outside in the blazing sunshine and attemped to manually focus whilst composing the image on a bleached out reflective surface, obviously not.

We all know that the real reason is just pure manuafacture cost cutting and technology sharing.

The Sony NEX-7 has made the first real attempt to alter this, by building in a proper 'useable' viewfinder.

One Corporation launches a product, and the rest just rush to copy it.

Sorry Samsung, already lost interest, even before I have seen it in real life. Now explain that to your Marketing bods!!!

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Stelyn
By Stelyn (Sep 1, 2011)

Errr, I'm pretty sure they have, which is why most of them have at least one camera in their range with a built in view finder. Am I missing something?

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sensibill
By sensibill (Sep 1, 2011)

Ever use an AMOLED screen? Fine in all but direct noon sun. The NX200 may lack some features but it's hardly a 'carbon copy' of anything out there - nor was its predecessor.

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Color Blotch
By Color Blotch (Sep 1, 2011)

My god, that's horrible news. I guess people in Samsung's marketing are running around their office in desperation now as they know that Razgriz lost his interest.

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Vadimka
By Vadimka (Sep 1, 2011)

First of, real photographer will find the way to work with any camera, but if viewfinder is what one really needs, then one will buy the one with viewfinder. (instead of bashing consumer products)
Secondly, I don't think Samsung copied SONY, they released their cameras at about the same time now, and even when they initially released their first versions. If anyone copied anything it would be Sony who copied from Panasonic and Olympus, and not just how the body looks, but the whole concept of mirrorless system.

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Razgriz
By Razgriz (Sep 1, 2011)

Don't get me wrong I'm not 'Bashing' Samusung, its just the trend lately it make cameras that look identical, and to be honest they are.
I'm just frustrated that potential isnt always seized by these companies.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Sep 1, 2011)

Don't some of the Sony Nex cameras have a screen that can be angled? The Samsung NXes don't.

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nekramp
By nekramp (Sep 1, 2011)

Maybe the shape is just, good in general? Design a car with box shaped wheels just to be different.

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Bilgy_no1
By Bilgy_no1 (Sep 1, 2011)

And Samsung once again get their misleading advertising right back in their face. They run an onbviously fake and fabricated comparison with the 4/3 sensor (trying to make the m4/3 sensor look smaller than it really is, and showing an image that's obviously just the 'perfect' NX200 image with a lot of noise added). The message: our sensor is bigger than m4/3 and gives better results in terms of noise.

But the sample images in the NX200 preview are not very encouraging. The ISO3200 shots look very noisy to me, no better than the 'ageing' m4/3 sensor in my E-PL1 and the night shots I get from that.

Samsung did the same thing with the launch of the NX-10, and arguably, that camera has the worst high ISO performance of all mirrorless cameras, despite the larger sensor. If this is Samsung's newest and best sensor, to be used for the coming 2-3 years...

Stuff like this really puts me off Samsung products...

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sensibill
By sensibill (Sep 1, 2011)

The NX did provide better results in terms of noise. Its higher ISO JPEGs are not great, but RAW is absolutely a cut above the original 12MP m43 output.

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brendon1000
By brendon1000 (Sep 2, 2011)

Here is a DXO mark comparison between the last generation EPL-1 sensor, NX100 sensor and the newer Panasonic GH-2 sensor -

http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/Cameras/Compare-Camera-Sensors/Compare-cameras-side-by-side/%28appareil1%29/631|0/%28appareil2%29/677|0/%28appareil3%29/662|0/%28onglet%29/0/%28brand%29/Olympus/%28brand2%29/Panasonic/%28brand3%29/Samsung

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Bilgy_no1
By Bilgy_no1 (Sep 8, 2011)

From the G3 review here: "Beginning at ISO 400, differences between the G3 and the GF2's previous generation sensor start to appear, with the G3 showing less noise and more accurate image detail. At ISO 1600 the G3 pulls further away from both the GF2 and NX100, which is clearly the worst performer of the bunch. "

or in the RAW section:
"Beginning at ISO 400 it becomes clear by comparison, just how much noise reduction is being applied by the G3's JPEG engine. Above ISO 800, however, the improvement in detail rendering and noise suppression over the GF2 and NX100 are evident, just as they were in the JPEG comparison."

DXO mark doesn't mean anything to me...

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JensR
By JensR (Sep 1, 2011)

Mistake in preview:
In the "Compared to the Samsung NX100" the small product shots are identical for NX100 and NX200.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Sep 1, 2011)

Not like others haven't made this point about dpreview's sample pics: But how about being clear about if the pictures come from RAW originals?

For example the Samsung NX100--never really reviewed here--can shoot basically noise free at ISO 2500 as long as one uses good extraction software, not the crap shipped with the NX100.

To those here in these comments who keep saying: But it's just a copy of the Sony Nex series: Really now? The Sony Nex series has a bunch of crappy G lenses--bad glass and bad specs, though a good Zeiss lens is about to ship.

Samsung has a few really good lenses for the NX cameras and more are about to ship. The 30mm NX lens is near Leica/Zeiss quality, yes, really. (And no, those who claim that the colour quality of high end Nikon lenses matches Leica or Zeiss have no idea what they're talking about, really.)

The NX100 is already an amazing still camera, albeit with bad RAW extraction software, no reason to believe different about the next in the series.

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Patman888
By Patman888 (Sep 1, 2011)

NEX has crappy specs? Sony cameras may suck for some people because of excessive NR or lack of buttons etc. but they NEVER EVER have crappy specs. Do you even know what specifications are? The Sony ones read out like a PR persons dream and this Samsung doesn't compare on paper at least. On the field it might be better but on paper, which is what specifications are, the Samsung loses out in a lot areas.

1080p60
10fps
25000+ iso
24.3 mp
921k dot screen
etc.

You may not like them but they never have bad specs. Like NEVER lol

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snake_b
By snake_b (Sep 1, 2011)

Is this an ad?

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Patman888
By Patman888 (Sep 1, 2011)

No. But if I had a career in marketing I would rather work for Sony rather than anyone else. My job would be easy. All I would have to do is shine a spotlight on the spec sheet. LOL

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Sep 1, 2011)

No, y'all mis
sed the point which remains valid: The Sony Nex system lenses have crappy specs and crappy glass.

I can get why y'all Sony autodefenders confused things, but the fact remains that y'all clearly don't know much about the Sony Nex system.

The Nex bodies are a different story, though the menus are stupid.

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0lf
By 0lf (Sep 1, 2011)

As most people, you just bash the nex lenses... I invite you to use the dpreview tool and compare the performances of the 18-55 from samsung and Sony...
So, nex 5n is less expensive, has a better sensor, and is sold with a better lens... And it is tinier, lighter, has a tiltable screen, has an optional oled VF...

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Sep 1, 2011)

What you've done is pick the weakest Samsung lens, which is plenty good by the way, and said look at Dpreview specs, not prints or fullsized image files. Nex G lenses remain crap, no matter what you may claim.

For example look at the awful color in that jpg, shot in Starbucks, with the Nex 3 C3--or perhaps Nex 7--that Dpreview posted. It's laughably bad. (Here's where you should encourage Dpreview to post RAWs.) And here's where Sony should be wondering just what kind of crap they're shipping.

You're correct to commend so parts of the Nex body though. (Software menus suck.)

Sony has a huge Nex G lens problem and Samsung doesn't. Frankly I wouldn't trust the eyes of anyone who'd claim otherwise.

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0lf
By 0lf (Sep 1, 2011)

I just pick the lens sold with the camera...
Sony jpeg colors are awful ? Troll ?
Sony menu ? Who cares, important features are easily accessible with custom keys...
Sony has no problem with lens. The nex system is just younger one year

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Sep 1, 2011)

Just making things up about Sony G Nex lenses doesn't make it true.
Either you can't stand the idea of someone calling Sony crap out, and they ship a lot of it, or you genuinely have an eyesight problem.

No one treats lenses sold with a still camera as serious lenses, even true for Samsung, but they do a better job than Sony with the Nex lenses.

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0lf
By 0lf (Sep 1, 2011)

I do not have to make true something real. Believe in what you want.
And about kit lenses not being serious... Tell that to panasonic. The 14-45 and 14-140 are kit lenses, and they seem to be quite serious with the 14-42 x lens.
Btw, for 1year and a half, I really enjoy the nex, its jpeg color, its kit zoom, its high iso performance, its weight and compactness... :D

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Sep 1, 2011)

The Panasonic kit lenses aren't real great either, but they're better than Sony Nex kit lenses.

Just the fact that you defend jpegs again proves my point about your erzatz claim to digital photo accumen.

Glad you like the Nex you own, now use RAW, and tell me how that new Zeiss lens works when you buy it.

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0lf
By 0lf (Sep 2, 2011)

The panasonic 20mm f1.7 was a kit lens... But I assume you are just trolling about that.
Just the fact that you question my acumen in defending jpeg only prove that you lack humility and are quite close minded on the subject.

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starwolfy
By starwolfy (Sep 8, 2011)

We got a NEX5n at work and I am working with it. This camera body is just a big joke to work with. Spot metering is just unusable as the area of spoting is just ridiculously big (on NX camera this feature is just as great as anyone would expect it to be).
Moreover...there is no AEL button....yeah...I'm starting hating this f***** camera which is impossible to work with under professional situation.
U/I is f***** up as hell...I even can't set a timer at less than 10 second lol!!! (yes...I need a timer as I can't put a realease cable expect a wireless one from Sony lol!). Surely it gives me time to go to drink a coffee.

Frankly...this camera is just A PAIN!!! Oh...yes...it looks sexy, it's light...
Higher Iso are great??? lol...Man...I shoot Iso100 max with this camera. I hate my manager for buying me such a crap tool.

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Billy SP
By Billy SP (Oct 29, 2011)

@Patman88
Career in marketing at Sony? Unless you are in charge of Playstations, you would be in trouble. They keep loosing market share in every other category. It would be a nightmare for you.

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Franka T.L.
By Franka T.L. (Sep 1, 2011)

I do applaud Samsung for not trying to go over the top and re-invent something that work ( the basic user control layout ). The NX range is a pretty nice setup though its old 14MP sensor is not quite up to then comparable APS-C(s). Let's see how they work out with this new one.

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sensibill
By sensibill (Sep 1, 2011)

Common misconception. The APS-C in the NX100 is actually quite comparable, it's the JPEG engine that sucks (and here in these samples too, it seems, hopefully due to pre-production camera).

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Sep 1, 2011)

I second that point about jpgs from the NX100.

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marike6
By marike6 (Sep 1, 2011)

Sensibill is correct. The RAW files from the NX100 were excellent, similar to the Pentax K20D/K7, just a bit noisier at high ISO.

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Mapel
By Mapel (Sep 1, 2011)

Where has gone the accessory port?....

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sensibill
By sensibill (Sep 1, 2011)

The hotshoe has extra contacts as opposed to a port. I'm guessing for a revised EVF (hopefully OLED like the one Samsung made for Sony's NEX).

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Richard Butler
By Richard Butler (Sep 1, 2011)

They're far more likely to be power for the clip-on flash (as stated in the preview).

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KingDon
By KingDon (Sep 1, 2011)

Samsung did not "make" the viewfinder for Sony. That was pure rumor. In the presentation Paul Gene said that the viewfinder is exclusive to Sony and is made/designed by Sony.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Sep 1, 2011)

KingDon,

One problem with Sony making AMOLED anything, Sony doesn't own the patents, LG does. Sony licensed the AMOLED tech from Kodak so perhaps that license is still in effect, though Kodak sold the patents to LG.

So when all is said and done, it's a very good guess that a Korean manufacturer made the Sony AMOLED screens and view finders.

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ET2
By ET2 (Sep 1, 2011)

It is not called AMOLED by Sony. It's OLED. That's an old idea. No one holds patent on that.

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KingDon
By KingDon (Sep 1, 2011)

Sony made the EVF
http://www.sony.co.jp/SonyInfo/News/Press/201108/11-0824/

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Sep 1, 2011)

Nope, OLED screens don't work as screens without that Active Matrix part--thats why those screens are sometimes called AMOLEDs.

You're thinking of OLED lighting, which is beginning to ship from Philips. Doesn't matter what Sony called it, it had a matrix and was Kodak or LG tech--even it Sony ran the factory.

Next time don't simply quote Sony language to ostensibly prove your point.

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NorthwestF
By NorthwestF (Sep 1, 2011)

"The panel is produced in volume at the Higashiura Office (Aichi Prefecture, Japan) of Sony Mobile Display Corp, which is Sony's subsidiary."
link: http://techon.nikkeibp.co.jp/english/NEWS_EN/20110830/197833/

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Sep 1, 2011)

You're still not getting this point. It's licensed Kodak, now LG, technology.

Again this is not Sony tech; it's a Sony factory, and it's AMOLED tech, because the AM is necessary for a viewable image, really.

Sony also licenses Carl Zeiss lens technology, and produces Japanese made Zeiss lens in Sony factories.

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Prognathous
By Prognathous (Sep 1, 2011)

Why would anyone buy a Samsung over competition mirrorless systems? The NX200 is very likely to have inferior IQ compared to Sony (as did all Samsung APS-C cameras to date), it doesn't have the small lens lineup and system maturity of m43, and it doesn't have the forward thinking and superb user interface of Ricoh's GXR. In terms of sales all Samsung NX have been a failure, so why are they still trying?

Prog.

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Prognathous
By Prognathous (Sep 1, 2011)

competition mirrorless systems = competing mirrorless systems
small lens lineup = lineup of small lenses

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Jorginho
By Jorginho (Sep 1, 2011)

I have a m43 Gh2 and G1. I like it much and won't buy the Samsung. However, if I didn't have a m43 I would seriously consider the Samsung. The lenses are very good and the line up is not complete but consists of lenses that are very usefull to me (or these are coming up).
If the NX200 delivers Nex 5 performance, with Gh2 like video and GH2 like EVF this would almost be the best of both worlds. I'll stick to m43 because of very good IQ everstill and indeed the very nice choice in lenses and the small size of especially the newer lenses (like that kitlens).

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Franka T.L.
By Franka T.L. (Sep 1, 2011)

Humbly I disagree, I've try all the mirrorless and the Samsung's capture is no worse than others ( I shoot RAW ) My friend who is not even a hobbyist , just a guy who want to capture his life, after spending 18 month with the M4/3 and then a few months with NEX , also choose to go with the Samsung NX100. It mkight not have the history, but that does not mean they can't do a camera , and certainly lens. The 20 and 30mm is 2 very very good lens , even up against the like of others. I think the market can benefit from another name around.

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Tormenborba
By Tormenborba (Sep 1, 2011)

because Samsung can.
even if it is a loss. in a few years maybe it wont.
but samsung can afford to lose some cash on the way...

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sensibill
By sensibill (Sep 1, 2011)

My NX100 mops the floor IQ-wise with my E-PL1 and G2. It's easily on par with my D5000, but not the JPEG engine. RAW output is good, high ISO somewhere between NEX and 12MP m43.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Sep 1, 2011)

At Prognathous:

Gee, another person who hasn't bothered to look at the lenses Samsung will be shipping in the Fall of 2011.

The Sony Nex system remains garbage. Panasonic and Olympus have done a much better job than Sony as has Samsung with the NX100.

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Patman888
By Patman888 (Sep 1, 2011)

Probably because they have the pocket books and the technology to force their way in like Microsoft did with the XBOX. They already invested so much in the NX series and they are not that far away.

They make awesome TV's, phones, and tablets. Their cameras will be awesome soon too. Maybe as soon as the NX200. I think this one is priced a little high at $899.99 though considering how cheap their older cameras are at the moment. They lose the upgrade sales from people who already own their lenses.

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xMichaelx
By xMichaelx (Sep 1, 2011)

"why are they still trying?"
I'm not a Samsung stockholder, so I don't care.

All I know is that, as a m4/3 shooter, all competition is good because it pushes Oly and Panny to make better and better products.

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KingDon
By KingDon (Sep 1, 2011)

Sony claims it's exclusive Sony technology
http://www.sony.co.jp/SonyInfo/News/Press/201108/11-0824/

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brendon1000
By brendon1000 (Sep 2, 2011)

If I was buying into a mirrorless system I would consider the Samsung NX200 as I like the cheap but fast 30mm f2 lens that Samsung sells for peanuts.

Sony is launching a few good lenses like the 50mm f1.8 OSS and the 24mm f1.8 CZ but those are priced pretty high.

However the lack of a viewfinder is a pretty serious drawback considering the high price we have to pay for this camera. I would prefer the NEX-7 as it has the best viewfinder around and its got a tilting screen to boot.

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starwolfy
By starwolfy (Sep 8, 2011)

This if I hear you...what I need to do is: buy a NEX when I need a good Iso sensor + a m43 when I need to change lenses + a ricoh GXR when I need to use buttons? puhahaha.............
People buy Samsung because it correspond to their needs: good body with nice UI and plenty enoug button, good enough sensor in RAW (sorry...I am a weird guy who do not need Iso 25600 lol...), and the most "photographer like" lens line up in term of specs and quality.

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starwolfy
By starwolfy (Sep 8, 2011)

This if I hear you...what I need to do is: buy a NEX when I need a good Iso sensor + a m43 when I need to change lenses + a ricoh GXR when I need to use buttons? puhahaha.............
People buy Samsung because it correspond to their needs: good body with nice UI and plenty enoug button, good enough sensor in RAW (sorry...I am a weird guy who do not need Iso 25600 lol...), and the most "photographer like" lens line up in term of specs and quality.

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starwolfy
By starwolfy (Sep 8, 2011)

This if I hear you...what I need to do is: buy a NEX when I need a good Iso sensor + a m43 when I need to change lenses + a ricoh GXR when I need to use buttons? puhahaha.............
People buy Samsung because it correspond to their needs: good body with nice UI and plenty enoug button, good enough sensor in RAW (sorry...I am a weird guy who do not need Iso 25600 lol...), and the most "photographer like" lens line up in term of specs and quality.

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starwolfy
By starwolfy (Sep 8, 2011)

This if I hear you...what I need to do is: buy a NEX when I need a good Iso sensor + a m43 when I need to change lenses + a ricoh GXR when I need to use buttons? puhahaha.............
People buy Samsung because it correspond to their needs: good body with nice UI and plenty enoug button, good enough sensor in RAW (sorry...I am a weird guy who do not need Iso 25600 lol...), and the most "photographer like" lens line up in term of specs and quality.

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starwolfy
By starwolfy (Sep 8, 2011)

This if I hear you...what I need to do is: buy a NEX when I need a good Iso sensor + a m43 when I need to change lenses + a ricoh GXR when I need to use buttons? puhahaha.............
People buy Samsung because it correspond to their needs: good body with nice UI and plenty enoug button, good enough sensor in RAW (sorry...I am a weird guy who do not need Iso 25600 lol...), and the most "photographer like" lens line up in term of specs and quality.

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starwolfy
By starwolfy (Sep 8, 2011)

This if I hear you...what I need to do is: buy a NEX when I need a good Iso sensor + a m43 when I need to change lenses + a ricoh GXR when I need to use buttons? puhahaha.............
People buy Samsung because it correspond to their needs: good body with nice UI and plenty enoug button, good enough sensor in RAW (sorry...I am a weird guy who do not need Iso 25600 lol...), and the most "photographer like" lens line up in term of specs and quality.

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starwolfy
By starwolfy (Sep 8, 2011)

This if I hear you...what I need to do is: buy a NEX when I need a good Iso sensor + a m43 when I need to change lenses + a ricoh GXR when I need to use buttons? puhahaha.............
People buy Samsung because it correspond to their needs: good body with nice UI and plenty enoug button, good enough sensor in RAW (sorry...I am a weird guy who do not need Iso 25600 lol...), and the most "photographer like" lens line up in term of specs and quality.

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starwolfy
By starwolfy (Sep 8, 2011)

This if I hear you...what I need to do is: buy a NEX when I need a good Iso sensor + a m43 when I need to change lenses + a ricoh GXR when I need to use buttons? puhahaha.............
People buy Samsung because it correspond to their needs: good body with nice UI and plenty enoug button, good enough sensor in RAW (sorry...I am a weird guy who do not need Iso 25600 lol...), and the most "photographer like" lens line up in term of specs and quality.

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starwolfy
By starwolfy (Sep 8, 2011)

This if I hear you...what I need to do is: buy a NEX when I need a good Iso sensor + a m43 when I need to change lenses + a ricoh GXR when I need to use buttons? puhahaha.............
People buy Samsung because it correspond to their needs: good body with nice UI and plenty enoug button, good enough sensor in RAW (sorry...I am a weird guy who do not need Iso 25600 lol...), and the most "photographer like" lens line up in term of specs and quality.

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starwolfy
By starwolfy (Sep 8, 2011)

This if I hear you...what I need to do is: buy a NEX when I need a good Iso sensor + a m43 when I need to change lenses + a ricoh GXR when I need to use buttons? puhahaha.............
People buy Samsung because it correspond to their needs: good body with nice UI and plenty enoug button, good enough sensor in RAW (sorry...I am a weird guy who do not need Iso 25600 lol...), and the most "photographer like" lens line up in term of specs and quality.

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starwolfy
By starwolfy (Sep 8, 2011)

This if I hear you...what I need to do is: buy a NEX when I need a good Iso sensor + a m43 when I need to change lenses + a ricoh GXR when I need to use buttons? puhahaha.............
People buy Samsung because it correspond to their needs: good body with nice UI and plenty enoug button, good enough sensor in RAW (sorry...I am a weird guy who do not need Iso 25600 lol...), and the most "photographer like" lens line up in term of specs and quality.

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starwolfy
By starwolfy (Sep 8, 2011)

This if I hear you...what I need to do is: buy a NEX when I need a good Iso sensor + a m43 when I need to change lenses + a ricoh GXR when I need to use buttons? puhahaha.............
People buy Samsung because it correspond to their needs: good body with nice UI and plenty enoug button, good enough sensor in RAW (sorry...I am a weird guy who do not need Iso 25600 lol...), and the most "photographer like" lens line up in term of specs and quality.

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starwolfy
By starwolfy (Sep 8, 2011)

This if I hear you...what I need to do is: buy a NEX when I need a good Iso sensor + a m43 when I need to change lenses + a ricoh GXR when I need to use buttons? puhahaha.............
People buy Samsung because it correspond to their needs: good body with nice UI and plenty enoug button, good enough sensor in RAW (sorry...I am a weird guy who do not need Iso 25600 lol...), and the most "photographer like" lens line up in term of specs and quality.

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starwolfy
By starwolfy (Sep 8, 2011)

This if I hear you...what I need to do is: buy a NEX when I need a good Iso sensor + a m43 when I need to change lenses + a ricoh GXR when I need to use buttons? puhahaha.............
People buy Samsung because it correspond to their needs: good body with nice UI and plenty enoug button, good enough sensor in RAW (sorry...I am a weird guy who do not need Iso 25600 lol...), and the most "photographer like" lens line up in term of specs and quality.

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starwolfy
By starwolfy (Sep 8, 2011)

This if I hear you...what I need to do is: buy a NEX when I need a good Iso sensor + a m43 when I need to change lenses + a ricoh GXR when I need to use buttons? puhahaha.............
People buy Samsung because it correspond to their needs: good body with nice UI and plenty enoug button, good enough sensor in RAW (sorry...I am a weird guy who do not need Iso 25600 lol...), and the most "photographer like" lens line up in term of specs and quality.

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starwolfy
By starwolfy (Sep 8, 2011)

Oops...sorry browser/speed problem -_-
Please admin could you cancel all these similar replies?
Thank you

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tkpenalty
By tkpenalty (Sep 1, 2011)

This is the first originally developed sensor from Samsung. Should be a good upgrade from the antiquated K5/GX20 sensor.

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manakiin
By manakiin (Sep 1, 2011)

It Pentax K7, K5 has superb Sony sensor.

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NorthwestF
By NorthwestF (Sep 1, 2011)

Another NEX-5 clone? Why can't Pana, Oly, and Samsung come up with some original design?

And you know what, next year they will be all copying from Nex-7.

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nickthetasmaniac
By nickthetasmaniac (Sep 1, 2011)

Aye?

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oluv
By oluv (Sep 1, 2011)

NEX clone? panasonic was the first to bring out a mirrorless camera. olympus were the first to bring out a rangefinder styled PEN. samsung were the third with their NX system. sony following half a year later. so who is copying sony? i'd rather say sony is coyping the others, although they do it really well!

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Jorginho
By Jorginho (Sep 1, 2011)

True and no Panny nor Oly remotely resembles the NEX. This Samsung otoh looks a lot like the NEX. Yep...originality is not Samsungs forte.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Sep 1, 2011)

Jorginho-

Happily, Samsung didn't "copy" the crap lenses that Sony released for the Nex system.

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NorthwestF
By NorthwestF (Sep 1, 2011)

By clone I didn't mean the mirror-less concept. Sony R-1 was mirror-less too and and is years older than G1.

By clone I meant the body design. This is pure Nex clone and borrows heavily from that design.

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NorthwestF
By NorthwestF (Sep 1, 2011)

Funny the Sony kit lens has better graph than Samsung kit lens in DPR lens review.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Sep 1, 2011)

And Samsung still didn't "clone" the crap Nex G lenses from Sony.

Also only Nex camera the Samsung NX200 really resembles is the just announced Nex 7. That's an odd definition of "to clone".

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Sep 1, 2011)

@NorthwestF,

Funny how all Sony ships for Nex cameras are basically kit lenses, and those produce crapy images, no matter what the "math" may tell you. (To be fair to Sony, they are about to finally ship at least one good lens for the Nex system--retail something like 900usd.)

Samsung on the other hand ships lenses besides "kit" lenses.

By concentrating on "kit" lenses you're proven that you're not real serious about digital still imaging. Yes, really.

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Ivanaker
By Ivanaker (Sep 2, 2011)

Stop arguing who cloned who because this are all Leica clones.

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abolit
By abolit (Sep 1, 2011)

absolutely useless. Why are they doing this? Who is this camera for?

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Sergiusbr
By Sergiusbr (Sep 1, 2011)

Good job Samsung! I have all NX (10, 11, 100).
Now you need to know how to have a good customer service. Is anyone out there who had emails to Samsung answered? Also It is almost impossible to find a place to shop any accessories, extra batteries,lenses, etc. In fact, Samsung accessories seem just virtual. Too bad. :-(

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Photato
By Photato (Sep 1, 2011)

Too bad this camera lacks the new Samsung hinged screen. Sony has one.

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Zvonimir Tosic
By Zvonimir Tosic (Sep 1, 2011)

1st post? :-) Dandy lil' cam!

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M Jesper
By M Jesper (Sep 1, 2011)

Compared to the NX100 this is miles forward ! Especially in looks, damn was that thing ugly before !

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Antonio Rojilla
By Antonio Rojilla (Sep 1, 2011)

Congratulations for bringing to DPReview the moronic 'first comment' race...

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