wy2lam: Nice review, however, I still like actively reading way more than being passively force-fed a video because I can flip back and forth. Text wins, video loses.
http://www.dpreview.com/previews/pentax-k-30/
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Posted on May 24, 2012 at 04:27:48 UTC
peevee1: @dpreview: In 2 hours this review got more comments than "Panasonic Lumix DMC-ZS20 (Lumix DMC-TZ30)" got in 3 days! And about the same as D3200 in 2 days! Hint, hint.
so, now maybe you can see why we outsource compact camera reviews so they have negligible impact on the production of reviews such as this one. It's almost like we think about these things...
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Posted on Apr 30, 2012 at 15:37:33 UTC
GeorgeZ: Jeff Keller reviewing for dpr- that's interesting. I won't say more otherwise my post will be deleted again (very classy btw). Suffice to say I think the guy knows his stuff and concentrates on the important things.
it was deleted because as usual you dragged the conversation off-topic, and we delete off-topic comments. Your opinions on the myriad ways we do things wrong are noted, I assure you. I just ask that you try to keep your comments relevant to the content.
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Posted on Apr 27, 2012 at 20:30:46 UTC
GeorgeZ: Jeff Keller reviewing for dpr- that's interesting. I won't say more otherwise my post will be deleted again (very classy btw). Suffice to say I think the guy knows his stuff and concentrates on the important things.
this is your first comment on this story...
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Posted on Apr 27, 2012 at 17:13:53 UTC
peevee1: The whole dpreview desperately waits for in-depth reviews of D4, D800, 5D3, E-M5, K-01, X-Pro 1, NX20, X-S1... and you choose to review just another P&S first?
except if you read the story you'd see *we* didn't review it, Jeff @ dcresource did.
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IljaM: Please, if you redesign the page, change the black background of the page, after 2 minutes of reading the text on your page, I have already really serious problems with my eyes, I need to stop to read... This is the reason why I still less and less visit your page, because I have fears that I will read something a little bit longer and my eyes are are in pain... White text on the black background is hell!
although phenomenally more complicated for a site like DPR than your comment suggests, this is actually obvious enough that it's already in the plan. Just don't hold your breath :-)
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Posted on Apr 25, 2012 at 20:52:41 UTC
IljaM: Please, if you redesign the page, change the black background of the page, after 2 minutes of reading the text on your page, I have already really serious problems with my eyes, I need to stop to read... This is the reason why I still less and less visit your page, because I have fears that I will read something a little bit longer and my eyes are are in pain... White text on the black background is hell!
i agree with you, but last time we polled our readers (July 2011) we got 61% wanting us to leave it as it is, 20% wanting black on white. Pretty decisive.
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Posted on Apr 24, 2012 at 22:06:02 UTC
SiPat: I too hate the new search -- the old one lacked a lot of parameters but I always managed to pinpoint exactly what I was searching for -- no longer.
It seems that the more effort put into improving (I use the term loosely) DPR forum the less intuitive it gets.
It's like Coca Cola trying to replace original Coke with a funny tasting raspberry version.
the old search didn't even index half our content, so I'm assuming you were lucky before :-)
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Posted on Apr 24, 2012 at 20:54:22 UTC
itchhh: Constructive feedback? Rather than re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic why not focus development efforts in more practical areas? The user interface is not as intuitive as it could be. What once worked years ago and through "feature-creep" this site has become somewhat daunting for a new user to navigate. Stabilize... the back end appears to crash and have to reset on a somewhat regular basis.
Just an honest non-emotional opinion.
we're working on both these areas (stability is a lot better now, a fundamental redesign of the UI is an enormous task, but it is one we're tracking towards). A lot of the stability issues came from 'under the hood' work needed before we can start work on the UI.
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Len Schweitzer: If you really want to improve your web site, why not render it with black type on a white background (or similar variation) to tat it can be read without strain. Your emphasis on graphics trumps visual comfort. I routinely use "Readability" to avoid eyestrain at dpr.
i agree with you, but last time we polled our readers (July 2011) we got 61% wanting us to leave it as it is, 20% wanting black on white. Pretty decisive.
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Posted on Apr 24, 2012 at 19:54:53 UTC
lindner: You guys should test less cameras and test those quick. Huge amounts of previews (and 'overviews' and shootouts and whatnot) in the 'recents' but very few actual reviews. Fewer but actual 'reviews' would be So Much Better.
'the yanks' took over 5 years ago, and I would be really interested to know in what respect it has 'gone downhill' since? I mean i know we've added tons of new features (inside and outside the reviews), and have hugely increased the amount of content (lens reviews, btw, came after the 'Yank takeover'), and I'm pretty sure Phil wasn't famous for his reception to criticism in the good old days. But I struggle to see how 'publish less stuff' is sensible criticism, or that by reducing considerably the amount of content published we would be in any way serving those who use the site (since the content we do publish gets lots of traffic I would suggest at least some of those people approve of what we're doing).
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Posted on Apr 6, 2012 at 21:47:57 UTC
lindner: You guys should test less cameras and test those quick. Huge amounts of previews (and 'overviews' and shootouts and whatnot) in the 'recents' but very few actual reviews. Fewer but actual 'reviews' would be So Much Better.
i'd love to do reviews but I just don't have the time. And I'd like to clarify that previews DO NOT affect review productivity (since the content is part of the review the truth is quite the opposite). More importantly, in this case, we didn't do anything except post a link to a story on another site.
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Posted on Apr 5, 2012 at 01:03:10 UTC
lindner: You guys should test less cameras and test those quick. Huge amounts of previews (and 'overviews' and shootouts and whatnot) in the 'recents' but very few actual reviews. Fewer but actual 'reviews' would be So Much Better.
OK message heard! I presume you speak for everyone here? Great! Cutting most of the content will sure make our lives easier! By not posting this we could've saved several minutes of the news editor's time. Not that he does reviews of course...
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Posted on Apr 4, 2012 at 23:54:18 UTC
Baseman: You forgot to add the ability to let us sign in and participate. It's one thing to view the site, it's another to submit feedback. Digital Preview people, I know you recognize the need for the mobile site due to everyone being so mobile. Sure is a big oversight to also overlook everyone's ability to input while mobile as well ;-)
oversight? To quote the news story above: ' Forums and commenting support will come in later versions.'
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wy2lam: Nice review, however, I still like actively reading way more than being passively force-fed a video because I can flip back and forth. Text wins, video loses.
http://www.dpreview.com/previews/pentax-k-30/
nawknai: That's the worst "con" list I've ever seen on DPReview.
Just say the camera is incredible and leave it at that.
A 4 word review would certainly be a lot easier to produce. Maybe this is the answer to the constant complaints about our reviews taking too long!
peevee1: @dpreview: In 2 hours this review got more comments than "Panasonic Lumix DMC-ZS20 (Lumix DMC-TZ30)" got in 3 days! And about the same as D3200 in 2 days! Hint, hint.
so, now maybe you can see why we outsource compact camera reviews so they have negligible impact on the production of reviews such as this one. It's almost like we think about these things...
GeorgeZ: Jeff Keller reviewing for dpr- that's interesting.
I won't say more otherwise my post will be deleted again (very classy btw).
Suffice to say I think the guy knows his stuff and concentrates on the important things.
it was deleted because as usual you dragged the conversation off-topic, and we delete off-topic comments. Your opinions on the myriad ways we do things wrong are noted, I assure you. I just ask that you try to keep your comments relevant to the content.
GeorgeZ: Jeff Keller reviewing for dpr- that's interesting.
I won't say more otherwise my post will be deleted again (very classy btw).
Suffice to say I think the guy knows his stuff and concentrates on the important things.
this is your first comment on this story...
peevee1: The whole dpreview desperately waits for in-depth reviews of D4, D800, 5D3, E-M5, K-01, X-Pro 1, NX20, X-S1... and you choose to review just another P&S first?
except if you read the story you'd see *we* didn't review it, Jeff @ dcresource did.
Shunda77: The new Fuji is hopeless for orb photography *worst update ever* ;)
i'm sure Instagram will offer an Orb fiter soon
FRANCISCO ARAGAO: Please more reviews like this.
More coming soon :)
IljaM: Please, if you redesign the page, change the black background of the page, after 2 minutes of reading the text on your page, I have already really serious problems with my eyes, I need to stop to read...
This is the reason why I still less and less visit your page, because I have fears that I will read something a little bit longer and my eyes are are in pain...
White text on the black background is hell!
although phenomenally more complicated for a site like DPR than your comment suggests, this is actually obvious enough that it's already in the plan. Just don't hold your breath :-)
CameraLabTester: I searched for Barny.
It gave back 106 results.
The first two entries were FUJI Orbs.
Doh!
.
Google we are not
IljaM: Please, if you redesign the page, change the black background of the page, after 2 minutes of reading the text on your page, I have already really serious problems with my eyes, I need to stop to read...
This is the reason why I still less and less visit your page, because I have fears that I will read something a little bit longer and my eyes are are in pain...
White text on the black background is hell!
i agree with you, but last time we polled our readers (July 2011) we got 61% wanting us to leave it as it is, 20% wanting black on white. Pretty decisive.
SiPat: I too hate the new search -- the old one lacked a lot of parameters but I always managed to pinpoint exactly what I was searching for -- no longer.
It seems that the more effort put into improving (I use the term loosely) DPR forum the less intuitive it gets.
It's like Coca Cola trying to replace original Coke with a funny tasting raspberry version.
the old search didn't even index half our content, so I'm assuming you were lucky before :-)
itchhh: Constructive feedback? Rather than re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic why not focus development efforts in more practical areas? The user interface is not as intuitive as it could be. What once worked years ago and through "feature-creep" this site has become somewhat daunting for a new user to navigate. Stabilize... the back end appears to crash and have to reset on a somewhat regular basis.
Just an honest non-emotional opinion.
we're working on both these areas (stability is a lot better now, a fundamental redesign of the UI is an enormous task, but it is one we're tracking towards). A lot of the stability issues came from 'under the hood' work needed before we can start work on the UI.
Len Schweitzer: If you really want to improve your web site, why not render it with black type on a white background (or similar variation) to tat it can be read without strain. Your emphasis on graphics trumps visual comfort. I routinely use "Readability" to avoid eyestrain at dpr.
i agree with you, but last time we polled our readers (July 2011) we got 61% wanting us to leave it as it is, 20% wanting black on white. Pretty decisive.
CameraLabTester: I searched for Barny.
It gave back 106 results.
The first two entries were FUJI Orbs.
Doh!
.
what would you expect a search for 'Barny' to produce?
lindner: You guys should test less cameras and test those quick. Huge amounts of previews (and 'overviews' and shootouts and whatnot) in the 'recents' but very few actual reviews. Fewer but actual 'reviews' would be So Much Better.
'the yanks' took over 5 years ago, and I would be really interested to know in what respect it has 'gone downhill' since? I mean i know we've added tons of new features (inside and outside the reviews), and have hugely increased the amount of content (lens reviews, btw, came after the 'Yank takeover'), and I'm pretty sure Phil wasn't famous for his reception to criticism in the good old days. But I struggle to see how 'publish less stuff' is sensible criticism, or that by reducing considerably the amount of content published we would be in any way serving those who use the site (since the content we do publish gets lots of traffic I would suggest at least some of those people approve of what we're doing).
lindner: You guys should test less cameras and test those quick. Huge amounts of previews (and 'overviews' and shootouts and whatnot) in the 'recents' but very few actual reviews. Fewer but actual 'reviews' would be So Much Better.
i'd love to do reviews but I just don't have the time. And I'd like to clarify that previews DO NOT affect review productivity (since the content is part of the review the truth is quite the opposite). More importantly, in this case, we didn't do anything except post a link to a story on another site.
lindner: You guys should test less cameras and test those quick. Huge amounts of previews (and 'overviews' and shootouts and whatnot) in the 'recents' but very few actual reviews. Fewer but actual 'reviews' would be So Much Better.
OK message heard! I presume you speak for everyone here? Great! Cutting most of the content will sure make our lives easier! By not posting this we could've saved several minutes of the news editor's time. Not that he does reviews of course...
ninjawil: Great.
How about some more camera reviews?
i know! in the time it took our news editor to post this small story i'm sure he could've produced at least one 20 page review!
Baseman: You forgot to add the ability to let us sign in and participate. It's one thing to view the site, it's another to submit feedback. Digital Preview people, I know you recognize the need for the mobile site due to everyone being so mobile. Sure is a big oversight to also overlook everyone's ability to input while mobile as well ;-)
oversight? To quote the news story above: ' Forums and commenting support will come in later versions.'