Richard Butler

Richard Butler

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On Panasonic Lumix DMC-GX7 Review preview (584 comments in total)
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BBnose: It is probably the most arguable camera review by dpreview. So many comment against it. I think dpreview should review their review on GX-7 and redo the review. Huh!

We've had much more contentious reviews on dpreview, I can assure you.

Several people in the office have shot the camera, none of us disagree with Jeff's findings or his conclusions.

The nature of a camera receiving our second-highest award is always that some people wanted it to be rated higher (that's a much greater motivation to complain than 'I don't think this camera deserved so high an award').

Also, we have monitored the comments - there's nothing to suggest an error in our testing and the scoring doesn't include the factors that most people are saying they disagree with.

At which point it's the award that's contentious. Personally, the viewfinder alone would be enough to stop it getting a Gold - it's not as good as its peers. Yes, it tilts, but the field-sequential design is really off-putting for me and, as a wearer of glasses, the short eye-point makes it much less pleasant to work with than the recent Olympus, Fuji or Sonys.

Direct link | Posted on Nov 11, 2013 at 18:24 UTC
On SD card labeling for 4K video announced article (50 comments in total)
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wus: To me, 30 MB/s sounds more like a major step back, my old 64 GB Extreme Pro UHS I already has a write speed of 95 MB/s. Strange.

@wus - SanDisk Extreme Pro have a max *read* speed of 95MB/s and a *max* write speed of 90MB/s - the minimum sustained write speed is unspecified. If it's above 30MB/s, then they'll soon start to wear this mark but at the moment it's unclear.

Direct link | Posted on Nov 8, 2013 at 23:00 UTC
On Panasonic Lumix DMC-GX7 Review preview (584 comments in total)
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babalu: Hey, can this be true ??
The one point which probably has led to this camera not getting the highest award, is : No In Camera RAW conversion.
Well, that feature IS available with the GX7. See user manual page 140 .
Quality modes available include RAW+JPEG, whereby JPG can even be set to high or low quality .
Am I blind or completely off the topic, or what ?

The point is that an in-camera Raw processing feature allows you to make decisions *after* you've taken the shot. For instance it lets you shoot just Raw but convert a shot you like into a JPEG if you're away from your computer (being away for the weekend, for instance).

Or, if you like the camera's JPEG engine, you can tweak the colour or tone to improve the image, based on how it looks. This is really handy in changeable light, where you might not have a chance to get the JPEG settings perfectly set before your moment passes.

The point is that it's a handy feature that most of the GX7's rivals offer and the Panasonic doesn't. It's not a massive deal in and of itself, but it's a nice feature that's missing.

Direct link | Posted on Nov 8, 2013 at 21:34 UTC
On Panasonic Lumix DMC-GX7 Review preview (584 comments in total)
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babalu: Hey, can this be true ??
The one point which probably has led to this camera not getting the highest award, is : No In Camera RAW conversion.
Well, that feature IS available with the GX7. See user manual page 140 .
Quality modes available include RAW+JPEG, whereby JPG can even be set to high or low quality .
Am I blind or completely off the topic, or what ?

@babalu - no, you're not blind, but you have misunderstood what we mean by 'in-camera Raw conversion.'

We mean the ability to take a Raw file and create a JPEG, with your choice of settings, after you've taken the shot. This is something Olympus, Fujifilm, Canon, Pentax and Nikon all now offer.

Direct link | Posted on Nov 8, 2013 at 20:13 UTC
On Panasonic Lumix DMC-GX7 Review preview (584 comments in total)
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babalu: Since this is an open forum, I hope DPR will agree to having more than one opinion. Here is a link (from Panasonic) to the awards this camera has received elsewhere.
http://www.panasonic.co.uk/html/en_GB/Products/LUMIX+Digital+Cameras/LUMIX+G+Compact+System+Cameras/DMC-GX7/Awards+%26+Test+Results/12916342/index.html?trackInfo=true

Having not read all those reviews, I'm not going to comment on their individual findings. However, it's interesting to note that two of them also gave the GX& their second-highest rating.

The Trusted Reviews one is a little harder to tell, since I can't find explicit 'Recommended' tags on their reviews to find if there's a higher accolade but, given the review was written by the same author as the What Digital Camera review, it's reasonable to assume he drew the same conclusion.

If you're feeling like it, and you exclude those duplicates, then 2 of the six remaining reviews failed to give it their highest award. Add us in there and you've got 42% of those 7 reviews not giving it the highest award. So, while I don't know all those titles well enough to form an opinion about their reviews, I don't see our assessment as being an unusual data point.

Direct link | Posted on Nov 8, 2013 at 20:09 UTC
On Panasonic Lumix DMC-GX7 Review preview (584 comments in total)
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duartix: I'd say that by the count of dpreview staff that came out justifying the review and the score, they're both mortally wounded.

@Jorginho - To be honest it's pretty common to get this sort of response to Silver awards (or Recommended ratings, before the current system was introduced).

The very nature of a Silver award is that it means the camera is *really good* and thus you get lots of people who have bought it or feel some affiliation with the brand who decide that we're under-valuing the product (after all, it's really good).

However, we spend a lot of time reviewing each camera, we also have lots of experience using its immediate peers, so feel able to distinguish between the very good and the very best. However, we do include all of the reasoning and evidence we've used to come to our conclusions, to allow people with different needs or expectations to draw their own conclusions.

Direct link | Posted on Nov 8, 2013 at 19:02 UTC
On Panasonic Lumix DMC-GX7 Review preview (584 comments in total)
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Optimal Prime: The orange background of the main page photo for the GX7 review is truly unflattering and an awful choice. Usually the new cameras are presented in a much nicer way. What happened?

@Mike99999 - No, DPReview is not paid to discredit Micro Four Thirds. We're not paid to promote or discredit anything so kindly don't make claims of impropriety that you can't support.

We gave the E-M1 and E-M5 our highest awards and the GX7 only just missed out. That would be a perverse way of discrediting something.

Direct link | Posted on Nov 8, 2013 at 18:09 UTC
On Panasonic Lumix DMC-GX7 Review preview (584 comments in total)
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tbcass: I'm confused. What is "in camera RAW processing?" I thought the whole purpose of RAW was to give you a totally unprocessed image for post processing on a computer.

Arguably Raw doesn't have a single 'purpose' - it has potential to be used for all sort of things.

Cameras with in-camera Raw conversion allow you to shoot Raw and quickly make a JPEG when you're away from your computer, if you want to give the image to someone, or share it (especially useful on a camera with Wi-Fi).

Alternatively, if you have a camera whose colours you like and want to be able to just slightly tweak the white balance in a shot, or make a slight adjustment to the tone curves, then it can be handy.

It's a feature that a lot of cameras now offer and one that I find myself using, if it's available - so it's a con on a camera at this level if it's not offered.

However: as with all of our Pros and Cons, the idea is that we explicitly highlight the things a potential customer might want to be aware of, so that they can decide for themselves whether it's important for them.

Direct link | Posted on Nov 8, 2013 at 18:04 UTC
On Panasonic Lumix DMC-GX7 Review preview (584 comments in total)
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tbcass: Here's something that makes no sense.

"As you can see, the only difference in the tone curve is that ISO 125 clips highlights a lot sooner than at the default sensitivity (since it's almost certainly the sensor's base sensitivity being exposed to more light). Thus, the only real benefit to using this sensitivity is to use slower shutter speeds for studio work or trying to freeze motion"

Obviously you don't try to freeze motion by using a slower speed. You would be trying to add a blur effect to something like running water.

I thought I'd caught that one in editing - it should be about trying to express motion, not freeze it.

I'll fix that immediately.

Direct link | Posted on Nov 8, 2013 at 17:57 UTC
On Panasonic Lumix DMC-GX7 Review preview (584 comments in total)
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duartix: I'd say that by the count of dpreview staff that came out justifying the review and the score, they're both mortally wounded.

That's a false metric, so far as I can see.

For instance - there's no point us responding to people who disagree with how much weight we've given one factor or another. We've explained our thinking over 14 pages - reiterating our points isn't going to change anyone's mind.

Also, we're pretty busy in the office today and, since there doesn't appear to be any suggestion of any fundamental failing - other than a failure to draw the conclusion some people would like - it's better that we press on with preparing more content, rather than disagree with people one at a time.

Direct link | Posted on Nov 7, 2013 at 23:08 UTC
On Panasonic Lumix DMC-GX7 Review preview (584 comments in total)
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cgarrard: Even I'm a bit surprised on the final score and rating with this one, and I usually agree with DPR's conclusions.

And I do mean a bit, not a lot- as in a sarcastic reply. To me I thought the GX7 would get a gold award by dpr staffers, seems to tick off a lot of what they like in a camera. No worries though, there might be some intangibles mixed in there too with that score.

Personally I think the GX7 is the best camera for m4/3 Panasonic has ever built.

Carl

The numerical score is based on our testing - the concerns we had about the consistency of interface, lack of stabilized preview, etc, aren't factored into the score. They're only included in the award chosen by the reviewer.

It's not a perfect system or one that it's possible to make 100% objective but, having been party to its development, an awful lot of effort went into making it as fair and consistent as possible.

Looking at the finer grained scoring, the score is around 0.6% lower than the E-M5, which sounds about right to me.

Direct link | Posted on Nov 7, 2013 at 19:47 UTC
On Panasonic Lumix DMC-GX7 Review preview (584 comments in total)
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cgarrard: Even I'm a bit surprised on the final score and rating with this one, and I usually agree with DPR's conclusions.

And I do mean a bit, not a lot- as in a sarcastic reply. To me I thought the GX7 would get a gold award by dpr staffers, seems to tick off a lot of what they like in a camera. No worries though, there might be some intangibles mixed in there too with that score.

Personally I think the GX7 is the best camera for m4/3 Panasonic has ever built.

Carl

...None of the above are *devastating* flaws. Overall it's a very good camera, with the best JPEG results we've yet seen from a Panasonic.

However, in use it never quite lives up to the promise it offers 'on paper' - the whole isn't quite the sum of the spec highlights. At which point, against some cameras that are really well worked-out, that's a Silver (which still means this camera is really good), not a Gold.

To an extent, if it had achieved this much a year and a half ago, it might have been a Gold. However, arriving 17 months after the E-M5, it doesn't push the bar any higher (and arguably isn't as coherent a camera), so *just* misses out.

As always, though, if your needs differ and the things that we were disappointed by don't matter to you, then you're welcome to reach a different conclusion - we just hope our work helped in drawing that conclusion.

Direct link | Posted on Nov 7, 2013 at 18:49 UTC
On Panasonic Lumix DMC-GX7 Review preview (584 comments in total)
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cgarrard: Even I'm a bit surprised on the final score and rating with this one, and I usually agree with DPR's conclusions.

And I do mean a bit, not a lot- as in a sarcastic reply. To me I thought the GX7 would get a gold award by dpr staffers, seems to tick off a lot of what they like in a camera. No worries though, there might be some intangibles mixed in there too with that score.

Personally I think the GX7 is the best camera for m4/3 Panasonic has ever built.

Carl

From my use and discussing it with Jeff, I'd put it this way: the GX7 is really good, but not *great*. The tiling EVF is an interesting idea but if, like me, you're a bit sensitive to the field sequential LCD, then it's pretty much unusable (I'm going to check it against the G6, but it would be enough to stop me buying a GX7, personally). We didn't criticise it too hard for that, since not everyone notices/minds it.

The criticism of lack of stabilization for preview comes down to its intent - its inclusions, plus focus peaking should make this perfect for using old lenses on, but that's undermined by the lack of stabilization when you're trying to align your shots (there are also times that focus peaking only seems to highlight noise, so you end up using magnifies LV, where stabilization would really help).

The touchscreen interface is pretty good but it doesn't feel well integrated with the physical controls - there's massive and overwhelming redundancy...

Direct link | Posted on Nov 7, 2013 at 18:41 UTC
On Nikon Df preview (2817 comments in total)
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revio: Why, oh why, isn´t there ANY size comparison in this preview?
There use to be in most every DPR Review, and often in the pre-reviews, so why not here?
Many, I am sure, would like to se it placed beside a FM/FM/FE/FE2/FA, which are the cameras which´s design most resemble the design of the new camera. OK, all those are smaller, but that´s the point of getting a view of the case: HOW MUCH larger is the new camera.
It´s not enough to know "it´s close to a D610" or so.
I for my part want to see a photo of the difference, so I can judge for myself how it differs, or how it comes close (if it does)

Regards
revio

(I must add, I like the design a lot)

We didn't have a chance to shoot it side-by-side with other cameras.

[Here's the size compared to an F3, though](http://www.dpreview.com/news/2013/11/05/hands-on-with-the-retro-nikon-df/9)

Richard - dpreview.com

Direct link | Posted on Nov 6, 2013 at 20:48 UTC
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hdcameraman: Hi, I'm new to posting here but have read many in the past - what a useful community. Apologies if this has been covered elsewhere, but can anyone confirm whether all GX7's have the option of 50P/60P or whether it's locked to the camera's intended market, i.e. an Asia or US model will be 60P, an EU one 50P? If I bought a Hong Kong import (caveats all understood), would I be stuck with 60P too? Any guidance from an owner gratefully received :-)

It's locked for each region, I'm afraid. I know the North American ones don't offer 50p.

Direct link | Posted on Nov 4, 2013 at 22:45 UTC
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photo perzon: Pm2 looks better at same weight and half cost

The GM1 is *much* smaller, though.

Direct link | Posted on Nov 4, 2013 at 20:12 UTC
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mpgxsvcd: Thank you for making it so we can see 4 cameras at once in the comparometer.

@mpgxsvgd - There isn't a Seattle in the UK but I'd feel ridiculous with a US flag appearing next to my name, given I'm not American.

Direct link | Posted on Nov 1, 2013 at 21:14 UTC
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mpgxsvcd: Thank you for making it so we can see 4 cameras at once in the comparometer.

@Timmbits - as I say, a 4-up comparison of every camera in the system is available from the menu on every page - it's just not really compatible with trying to make specific points about cameras.

Direct link | Posted on Nov 1, 2013 at 19:46 UTC
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mpgxsvcd: Thank you for making it so we can see 4 cameras at once in the comparometer.

@ mpgxsvcd - that capability is always available (from the '[new studio scene comparison tool](http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/image-comparison)' link on the 'Reviews' drop down on every page).

The reason we're comparing just two cameras within review pages is because:
1) Many people won't be using monitors that allow them to see the whole page at once, so we're trying to fit the comparison and the text within a sensible amount of space.
2) We're usually trying to draw attention to one particular comparison, with the in-line links - it would be very difficult to have to say 'well there's *this*, but compared to that camera you get *that* and compared with this other camera you get *the other*.

So, for now, there will be two-camera comparisons within review but with the option to compare four always available.

Direct link | Posted on Nov 1, 2013 at 19:23 UTC
On Canon EOS 70D Review preview (669 comments in total)
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FrankS009: R Butler wrote. "As a generalised statement, mirrorless cameras are still in development, whereas DSLRs (regardless of brand) have been around long enough that they get most of the basics right - it's the stuff 'round the edges that distinguishes them."

I find it quite hard to believe that after five years, M4/3rds for one has not got BOTH the "basics" AND the "stuff 'round the edges" right in several camera bodies by both Panasonic and Olympus. Furthermore they seem to have both right in different sized bodies in a truely versatile and lightweight system of bodies and lenses.

Changes are here for the camera industry, and the polishing of old practices is not enough any more.

@FrankS009 - I think we may be talking at crossed purposes - I'm not defending the concept of DSLRs (I'd like to think of myself as mirror-neutral). Instead I was trying to explain why DSLRs (in general) have *tended* to score higher than mirrorless *so far*. And, of course, I'm commenting within the context of the 70D review comments section.

If it comes to specifics of mirrorless cameras - the E-M1 is a very well worked-out camera and it deserved the higher score it got, compared with the 70D.

Direct link | Posted on Nov 1, 2013 at 02:44 UTC
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