Chris Noble: Strange, begrudging review... An example: One feature that G-class users love is the Q-menu, a button to instantly access your own secondary controls (the primary ones being assigned to the custom buttons). In Butler's convoluted logic, "I'm not sure the camera needs its (increasingly dated looking) Q.Menu, in the light of how many custom buttons are available (though the customizable version can at least be pared-back to only include the features you want access to)."
Richard, the whole point of the Q-Menu is to include only the secondary controls each user wants; and I don't see any references to "increasingly dated" features in DPR's breathless reviews of retro cameras like the Olympus, Fujifilm and Leica nostalgia models. The Q-menu is a sensible and practical innovation that has stood the test of time.
What I'd really like to see is how the G7 compares to its peers and predecessors in shutter-shock sensitivity.
Chris Noble - I agree that it's potentially a boon to more experienced users. My concern was that, if judged on this basis, you suddenly bring the likes of the X-T10, a6000 and E-M10 into play, each of which has considerable appeal as stills cameras. The G7 isn't a stand-out stills camera in this company.
However, I tried to stress that its video capabilities are so strong that, if you have any significant interest in video, then this should overcome all those concerns. With any serious consideration of video, it *is* a stand out camera.
electrophoto: Richard,Can you tell me how the start up speed is with the RX100 IV?Same as the III? Or any improvement?And for the final review samples I have a request if you don't mind:A number of full zoom (25,7mm) and maximum aperture portrait type shots... (to get a realistic Idea of what kind of background blurring / separation can be easily achieved)... and preferably RAW...that would be awesome ;) - thanks.
We'll certainly look to include some shots like that.
Soggoth: Frankly, I don't see any real difference in IQ between RX100IV and RX100III in the studio test scene.
I've discussed my reasoning of the G7 review elsewhere (not least throughout the review itself), so I'm not going to discuss it here.
Do we think the RX100 IV need more buttons? That's something our full review will cover.
It's not the Q.Menu *as such* that I had the problem with. Generally I quite like it (though it could look a lot nicer/more distinctive if it were updated to reflect how much higher screen resolutions are than when it first appeared).
It's more that, after several weeks of shooting with the G7, I still couldn't find a way of setting it up that didn't leave me thinking 'maybe if I started all over again...' (and that's as someone who knows the Panasonic options pretty well).
The combination of hard Fn buttons, on-screen Fn buttons, Customizable Q.Menu and dial-repurposing button on the top dial, it's difficult to find a coherent way of setting it up that worked for all shooting situations. And that's worth highlighting in a camera in this class (I'd be more forgiving in a GX7, for instance). But this is a camera that I'd hand to people and they'd recoil from, based on the perceived complexity.
Elaka Farmor: Extremely confusing "review". At page 1 we can read that 1080p has 120fps. Page 4 says 120fps is only in 720p……what is this??
I've re-worked the menu page. The correct answer is that the RX100 IV can shoot 1080/120p in NTSC mode and 1080/100p in PAL
Sony hasn't made any claims for improved image quality, so that shouldn't be much of a surprise.
jim bennett: "For Android users the camera also includes NFC, which can be used to set up the Wi-Fi connection more quickly." The iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 Plus also have NFC, does the GR II work with those phones also?
You're right that the iPhone 6 and 6 Plus have NFC but Apple has decided that you're not allowed to use it for this sort of thing: it can only (currently) be used for Apple Pay.
Digimat: @dpreview look up your last sentence on the introduction page ;)"and Samsung's NX500, which offers has no viewfinder"
Argh. I probably need to be more decisive about how to phrase things.
creaDVty: Was the autofocus test done with a Panasonic lens? If so, how well can it focus with an Olympus lens?
It's not a question of speed, it's a question of C-AF consistency. We didn't test an Olympus lens in as much detail, but without DFD, the camera doesn't get as many shots in-focus and *seems* less confident about sticking to a subject.
The AF testing was performed using the Lumix 14-140mm F3.5-5.6.
Mister Joseph: How many FPS can it do at 1920x1080?
The camera can capture 1080 at up to 120fps (100fps in PAL mode).
Ramtin 813: when is the DPR review going to come out??
The RX100 IV review will certainly be ready before November (August at the very latest), but the RX10 II isn't available yet, so I don't know about that one.
deluk: Quotes "as a left-eye shooter, my nose will sometimes move the AF point."
"The only downside we found is that the wider screen can be nose activated if you're a right-eyed shooter."
That should cover most of us then.......
It's been a while since I managed to mistake my left and my right.
They should both read 'left' - I've corrected the page accordingly.
scott_mcleod: Maybe I'm imagining things, but the intro (and most of the review) seems very cagily worded - almost damning with faint praise - and includes some rather odd statements, such as, "a camera where you don't have to think about whether it has a mirror or not" (really? This is "a thing" now?) and "16MP isn't exactly cutting-edge at this point" (are there any m4/3 cams with more, at any price?). As for using "try" three times on the first page... how does it "try not to be mirrorless" any more than the E-M10? Or am I missing some critical difference in the form factor? (the hand-grip makes it "less mirrorless", perhaps?)
Seems like a very good camera to me. I almost get the feeling that the reviewer would like it better if it had a Samsung-style smartphone-like interface (kill me now, please) and is maybe selling potential buyers short in this respect.
BTW, it's "eke", not "eek"...
Eek! I hold my hand up to that.
At a time when many of the cameras APS-C rivals have moved on to 20, 24 and 28MP, then yes, 16MP starts to look a little less than cutting-edge.
I tried to write an honest assessment of the camera and explain my perspective on it, so that readers could decide whether they agree with me.
smozes: The Nikon D5500 also allows you to use of the touchscreen as a trackpad for AF point selection while using the OVF.
rhurani appears to be correct: it seems to have first appeared on the G5. I first encountered it when I reviewed the GH3. So it's been a couple of years, already. Everyone in the office who used it loved that feature, though.
Tom Caldwell: I don't agree that you should ask Panasonic to dumb down the G7 to suit less experienced users. Less experienced users with no intention to learn will simply set the camera to auto and leave it there anyway.
Dumb the camera down and it will still be used on auto whilst those seeking to improve will have less functions to explore and learn from,and those who would like an advanced camera that is physically smaller (we do exist) will give it a complete miss.
More involved camera users are not all looking for a substantial size camera in order to demonstrate our expertise. The larger the body the more status for the photographer?
Anyway the G7 is already too large - give me the GM1/5 and to heck with my street cred .... ;)
My hope isn't really for Panasonic to dumb down the G7 (though starting with a blank piece of paper, when it comes to the menus and interface wouldn't be a terrible idea, for them or their rivals), but to decide what they want it to be.
My concern was that it risks being too complex for beginners but not well built or enthusiast-focused enough to win-over dedicated photographers who might also be looking at the E-M10, X-T10, a6000 or even the GX7.
These are more vague concerns about it getting noticed, rather than criticisms, *per se*. And, as I conclude, if you have any interest in video, these concerns are irrelevant.
TN Args: I hate it when reviewers try to make a negative out of an excellent set of external controls! "First time ILC buyers", indeed! Had a look at the controls on a PowerShot G3X or a Coolpix P610 lately?
Those are definitely both mass-market models.
Stephen Williams: There are many claims here about the superiority of a monochrome sensor over a color sensor. Could someone please supply a reference (URL) where there are samples showing direct comparisons of files made under controlled conditions?
artnaz - we'd like to add both, ideally.
Jim Hully: Once again Panasonic USA forces you to buy this camera with the kit lens., no body-only option. DPReview, why isn't that a "con" in your conclusions?
I don't want the hear the usual witless suggestions about just selling it. Tell you what, next time you have your car serviced, let the dealership sell you a new wheel. Not something you wanted but hey you could always sell it...
Different kit options exist in different countries, so that Con would be very USA-centric. Also, it's not uncommon for manufacturers to bundle a kit lens at this point in the market, so it'd be wrong to single-out Panasonic for this.
My understanding is that body-only options for entry-level cameras are only available in Europe because the competition authorities felt that only selling them with lenses would kill-off third-party competition.
Anyone else who agrees with Jim, please 'Like' his comment, so we can pass this information on to manufacturers.
agentlossing: I personally love the WiFi options... if they're too complex for the reviewer to figure out, why not stick with the options that make sense? Arguing there are too many features is nitpicky.
agentlossing - yes, I get that. I just think that the fact that the most accessible option to transfer images doesn't let you transfer to a smartphone (which, for me at least, my most used type of connection), is indicative of a system that tries to do so much that it fails at the basic stuff.
It's undeniably comprehensive and if that's what you need then yes, it's better than the Olympus system. However, I maintain that it's a little over-complex for a mass-market product. If they'd kept the simple stuff simple, then I'd be much more positive about that extra capability but, in my experience, I found the broader capability came at the cost of accessibility.