miketala: DPR's categories are outdated thus far less useful than they could be.
Mirrorless compete directly with DSLR's and have the same image quality (or near enough so for m43). The biggest difference is the viewfinder and body size.
Say I've got $700 to blow on a camera for my kid who's getting into photography & video. What do I get? DSLR? Mirrorless?
Throw out the mirrorless/dslr/dslt distinction. Use the umbrella description "System Cameras" and then break them down by average price points or desired use: Entry / Intermediate / Prosumer / Pro / Video.
It makes so much more sense, and is far more useful.
There was some debate in the office, with price as the deciding factor or putting all interchangeable lens cameras together.
However, different pricing in different countries (and the constantly changing nature of price), makes that difficult.
Equally, it was argued that a significant number of people might be looking specifically for a DSLR and wouldn't consider a mirrorless camera to be a direct alternative. Equally, anyone looking at a mirrorless camera because of its portability won't consider a DSLR, so we kept the separate on this occasion.
In future, we hope to have a way of presenting both/all methods, but for now, we had to make a decision.
Matewka: Nikon Df announcement: Nov 5, 2013 (3 weeks ago)Pentax K-3 announcement: Oct 7, 2013 (7,5 weeks ago)
So far...Df review includes: first impressions + full ISO range studio testK-3 review includes: first impressions + worthless sample gallery
Either I'm overreacting or some brands are favoured by DPR.
Since the K-3 has this unique "software AA filter" feature, I guess many people (not only Pentax die-hards) are extremely curious what this baby can do. Not mentioning that overall Pentax IQ and NR in recent models are outstanding, even beating some FFs.
The K-3 also has a full ISO range of studio test shots, so there's actually more content about the K-3 than the Df on this site.
Ultimately, though, we have limited resources - popularity with our readers is one of the biggest factors that we have to take into account when prioritising where to apply those resources. The Df has attracted more than twice the attention of the K-3 so, while we hope to review the K-3, the Df is likely to take priority.
LWS2013: Why use the 50mm on the Df but the 85mm on the D610 and D800?
We didn't - that's a typo. We used the AF-S Nikkor 85mm f1.4 G.
steelhead3: DP, is it true that the Df has a plastic mount?
The mount certainly isn't plastic. I can't be sure about the front plate section immediately behind it, but the mount itself is metal.
fPrime: Thanks, but pretty limited as a comparator without D4 images to look at alongside. I'd imagine the pixel peepers want to verify the Df sensor delivers exactly the same performance as the D4.
Speaking of image comparators, a select group of classic cameras from each camera company ought to be reshot with this new studio scene. I'd personally like to see the D700 and D200 added for Nikon. Any plans?
We'd certainly like to add more older cameras - though finding examples in good condition is proving a little tricky.
At the moment our studio is totally tied-up testing cameras for the roundups we've been publishing - a surge that has seen us jump from around 20 cameras to 50, with the addition of the Df.
It's not as comprehensive a list as we had in the old scene, but it's getting to the stage where, for future reviews, it'll include all the latest peers.
Paul Guba: Buy, buy, buy. In case you didn't know what the focus is at dpreview.com
This tends to be the busiest buying period - people will buy regardless of what we do.
We're not telling you where to buy anything, we're just trying to offer some advice - something we're regularly criticised for not doing.
idnab: Nikon P330 - "lack of a quick function menu" ?
Must be an oversight by DPR writers -there is a programmable Fn button, on front face of the camera, which allows quick access to 10 variable parameters.
The Fn button allows access to one of ten settings (with the option to re-configure it fairly easily, I understand), but that's not as straightforward as providing all the key options and letting you change them on a single display.
It's not a major negative, but it's not as slick as it could (should?) be.
fooddudeone: I am very happy that they didn't include the Ricoh GR (imo, the very Best "pocket camera" of all time...well, at least, to date). Excluding it from this list means that less people will have it and don't know what "that mysterious/neat/sleek/understated camera" is when they see it on the streets :) ...the GR will be more obscure in the best possible way and only a camera for people in the know.
All of these are (relatively) small-sensor zoom compacts - the GR (along with the X100S, Coolpix A and Sigma DPMs) would be a different category.
keeponkeepingon: Wow. Y'all need to fire your "fact checker".
The LF1 has a Q.menu
c labs noted:
"Q.Menu system which allows you to adjust exposure compensation, Step Zoom, aspect ratio, resolution, sensitivity, white balance, AF mode, movie quality and monitor brightness using either the front or rear dials. "
And your own picture shows the Q.menu button on the lower right:http://www.dpreview.com/files/news/9157282048/LF1_F3-7001.jpeg
It makes me wonder if you actually spent much time with the LF1?
So your major gripe then would be a lack of exposure flash compensation? For a point and shoot (to me) that's not really a big deal.
I'm really embarrassed to say that, having shot with the LF1 on and off for nearly a month (albeit without investigating it in the depth I would for a review), I literally never noticed the Q.Menu - despite it being written on the body.
I've gone back, re-assessed and re-written the coverage and can only apologise for getting it wrong.
AndyGM: Hmm, having tried out the "clicking" lens wheel of the S110, and the "clickless" lens wheel of the RX100, it's my personal opinion that the clickless version is nicer to use. But I see Andy and Richard disagree with me, so the Sony and Fujifilm get a negative because of it. I would advise anyone thinking of buying any of these to try them out for yourself, which one of these types of control wheel suits you best is a very personal thing.
@AndyGM - I'm pretty sure we also advised people to try it out.
The complete lack of tactile feedback (and probably audible feedback, since you have to have *all* sounds on or off), plus the slight lag between you turning the dial and it acknowledging that you're trying to change settings means that I never feel very connected to what the camera's doing.
It may sound esoteric, but it means that whenever I pick up the RX100 to give it another chance, I find myself thinking of it as a stunning point and shoot, but not an engaging photographic experience. I simply don't feel that I'm involved in what it's doing, meaning I end up with some great image quality but not much enjoyment of the process.
phazelag: I think someone looking at my Gallery of LF1 shots, might question the review o the LF1. Specs dont make an image, and this camera made these.
With respect, our assessment doesn't say the LF1 can't take good photos (and yours are very impressive).
However, this doesn't suddenly give it the Q.Menu that Panasonic offers on its other models. Nor does it give you control over flash exposure compensation or make the viewfinder better.
Deutsch: What Category does Nikon Coolpix A fall into?
@Kodakchrome200 - I'm not sure there is anything that we could write that would help anyone choose between an APS-C camera with a fixed 28mm equiv. lens, and something with a 2X-1XX zoom lens and a smaller sensor.
If you want the best images, you buy the APS-C camera, if you want any sort of flexibility at all, you buy the zoom compact. I don't really understand how good one of those cameras would need to be to change someone's mind about which *type* of camera they need.
The GR, X100S, Coolpix A, Sigma DPMs and possibly the Canon G1X would fall into a more specialist class, but we're probably not going to have a chance to cover those, this time 'round.
cinemascope: Why is the Canon G1X consistently ignored? Not complaining, just curious really...
As I've mentioned elsewhere in the comments, the difference in size means it would probably make more sense in a roundup against the likes of the Fujifilm X100S or Ricoh GR.
Its size and speed mean it wouldn't quite fit this group. The discounted selling price also makes me wonder how much longer it'll be a current model (we want these roundups to be relevant for a couple of months, if possible).
Mr Justice Cocklecarrot: Curious that the Panasonic LF1 is overlooked. It's an LX7 with a longer but slower lens, but with a EVF.And it has the same 1/1.7 sensor.
Currently top of my Christmas list.
Impulses is precisely right, and we've just published that article:
[Click here to read our pocketable compact roundup](http://www.dpreview.com/articles/9935181366/high-end-pocketable-compacts-2013-roundup). I hope you find it useful.
mfait: Canon Powershot, Not Sony!
Argh! Sorry about that.
It was a copy-and-paste error stemming from an attempt to ensure consistency of the crosshead styling.
Kim Letkeman: I laughed when I saw that Panasonic was (inevitably and predictably) left out of the running. One has to wonder who Panasonic ticked off to get left out of a category in which it should be able to compete very well ... after all, enthusiasts do shoot a lot of video these days.
I've shot the D300, D7000, and D70s in the Nikon "enthusiast" lineup and I would take a Nikon over any of the others listed for the system, the ergonomics and the image quality.
But ... I would take the Panasonic G6 or the GH3 over the Nikons for the smaller size, the incredible video, the same ergonomics and basically the same image quality.
And so it goes ...
Once written out, my reasons for not including it didn't seem as convincing as they had in my head. Kim politely made a strong case for its inclusion, so I went back and added it.
o_23: I would vote for Canon EOS M. It has very intuitive touchscreen. Compact solid magnesium body. Compatible with all Canon lenses. Excellent IQ. Focusing is very accurate and pretty fast after June firmware update. I bought 2 cameras for $399 (kits with flash and 2 lenses). If you subtract prices of kit lenses and flash, the price of a camera is just ridiculous. I also prefer Canon colors, specifically skin tones look much more natural than from other cameras. Though I like Full Frame camera more for better bokeh, but I am tired to carry heavy FF lenses. My backpack is 3 times lighter now.
The only reason the EOS-M isn't going to be included in these roundups is because we think it's on end-of-life sale and won't necessarily be available for the full lifetime of these roundups.
However, other than the slow autofocus, there's an awful lot to like about the EOS-M. I share Jeff's experience with the interface and suspect that a camera based around the 70D's dual pixel AF system could be very good (so long as the focus speed isn't inhibited by the design of the lenses).
PrebenR: There is not a single enthusiast compact in that list.
Or possibly we're using different definitions.
I'm assuming you mean that the Coolpix A, Ricoh GR, Fujifilm X100S, etc, should be called enthusiast compacts. The problem being that the cameras we're talking about here, even back when pretty-much the only option was the Canon G series, were already known as enthusiast compacts, so we can't just apply the name to something else.
Optimal Prime: What?! No Casio? How can it be?!
The EX-10 would be in here if it had been released in time for us to have used one.
It looks very promising and, when we get one and have had a little time to use it, we'll add it.