OneGuy: Forcing ISO to high level at good illumination does not do it for me because I think the sensor response is non-linear. I want to see the ambient light to be so low the camera selects 3200 (etc) and then I can see how the shadows look like (noise, color, artifacts). Is dpr really trying to insult the audience?
What is most egregious here is doing these shots with an ad-hoc scene with primary colors while dpr has much-touted studio scene, which, incidentally, I like.
Dpr still did not say much about AF. Actually, dpr said nothing about AF. It reminds me of the VW Beatle ad from the 80's. Q: 0-60?A: Yes
@OneGuy: " I want to see the ambient light to be so low the camera selects 3200 (etc) and then I can see how the shadows look like (noise, color, artifacts). Is dpr really trying to insult the audience?"
If you take a moment to look at the exposure data of these samples, you'll see that if you wanted to shoot this scene handheld you'd genuinely need to use high ISOs. They're shot at 112mm-equivalent, and even at ISO 3200 the shutter speed is 1/30sec, so you'd be heavily reliant on IS to get a sharp image. The shutter speed only reaches 1/125sec at ISO 12800.
So no, we're not trying to insult the audience at all.
slabby: so high iso performace looks great but....
at iso 100 f/8 the Samuri is Sharp but the Lunch Box is Blurry. What's up with that?
Let the @#%$storm begin......
@slabby: "at iso 100 f/8 the Samuri is Sharp but the Lunch Box is Blurry. What's up with that?". This is purely depth of field: it's a 3-dimensional scene shot at 60.4mm F8 and fairly close distance (about 1.5m). The EXIF isn't wrong.
kenw: There is no "curtain" in this camera so the "electronic first curtain shutter" statement is misleading. According to Chuck Westfall the camera does not have a focal plane shutter (no surprise there, it would be silly to put one into a fixed lens camera). It is using a leaf shutter instead, like most every other fixed lens camera out there. That is also why it is quiet, all iris shutter cameras are quiet regardless of whether they close their shutter at the start of the exposure or not - "electronic first curtain" has nothing to do with it.
However you want to put it, the exposure is initiated electronically, not using the physical shutter. The point here is less about noise (all lens-shutter cameras are quiet), more about the reduction in shutter lag.
Jan_Shim: Yes I do have a burning question and it's none other than the minimum focusing distance ... (cross posted as follows from comments left at Preview page)
I shoot with two 5D Mark IIs professionally and for everything else I use the G11. Essentially two very important considerations: the flip out LCD and the 1 cm macro capability (excellent feature for food photography). The G1X with all the other great features has compromised this with a focusing distance of 20cm (according to Dpreview Specs). The G1X quickly went from "high exciting" to a big let down for me.
Question: Does the bigger sensor result in a magnification at such that at 20cm, it's (by any chance?) equivalent to 1cm on the G11/12?
The answer to this is in the updated preview - the G1 X comes nowhere close to the G12's macro capability.
Gandalf_nouvelordi: "Disappointingly the lens has no filter thread of its own"Are you really sure? on the pictures, we can see some circles that strongly look like filter thread!!!imaging resource talk about it, but couldn't check the thread diameter.
According to Canon (who generally know their own cameras pretty well), the 'threading' you can see inside the lens barrel is purely a ribbed moulding for the lens cap to grip. It's not for filters. I specifically asked about this the first time I saw the camera.
(Of course, it would also be deeply eccentric to put a filter thread on the lens, then also attempt to sell a bayonet-on filter adapter.)
Stefan Sobol: You compare the G1 X sensor size to Four-Thirds sensor size. How does the size compare to Micro Four Thirds (Panasonic G1)?
Not entirely sure what you're asking here; if it's about sensor size, Micro Four Thirds cameras use the Four Thirds sensor ('Micro' refers to smaller cameras, not a different sensor size).
Felipe Mendez: One question (and I apologize if this was asked before, I can't read the zillions of comments): I don't see any diopter adjustment knob, as in x100. Is there any?Thanks
As I wrote in the preview, there's no built-in diopter adjustment - the X-Pro1 uses add-on lenses instead.
Danlo: The "silent" shutter is worth all the bulk.. Finally a quiet camera with large sensor for acceptable image quality.
The G1 X is a fixed-lens compact, so it uses a near-silent lens-shutter design, just like the X100.
John Cal: Image stabilization • In-lens optical stabilization when available?
Does this mean the lens current size will increase?
Don't expect to see Fujifilm add IS to fast primes - its technically difficult in terms to lens design and of limited usefulness anyway. Instead, expect upcoming zooms to have optical stabilization.
pphandoko: Dear Dpreview.com,
I got a question, is the Fuji X pro 1 weather-sealed, or not?Thank you.
I already owned and had tons of fun with X100, X1, Nex-C3, GF-1, etc.Hopefully Fuji X1 this will be the next in my collection.
I don't think I will go for the NEX-7 anymore, already waited so long for the E prime lenses and still not getting them anytime soon, except for the Zeiss 24mm f1.8, 18-55, 16mm and the wide converter which now I've owned...
The X-Pro1 is not weathersealed
drwho9437: My question is what is the widest angle lens the optical finder will support. That is how much of the frame are the 18 (28) mm lens' crop lines.
It is vital for me to have at least 20 mm in 35 mm terms on a system and if possible even wider. No doubt the LCD mode will support it but a large chunk of the appeal is the optical path.
Hopefully this can be either added to the preview or in the final review.
This is distinctly 'to be confirmed', but initial indications are that the widest the lens the optical finder will support is 14mm (21mm equiv).
John McMillin: There's some very intriguing symbols on that Quick Menu. DRO 200? Must be some DR-enhancing feature. "V" in a film can-- probably not Verichrome Pan, is it? Then there's the dollar sign -2? Variable price control? If I set it to x4, does it become a real Leica?
Seriously, I like what I see, but I'd miss stabilization, which seems to be reserved for some future lenses, if available at all. Leica-nauts didn't need no stinkin' stabilization, did they?
DR200 = 1 stop highlight range expansion. 'V' in a film can - Velvia of course. $ -2, naturally, means reduced sharpening.
It seems future zoom lenses will have optical stabilization. It's arguably rather less useful for fast primes.
Richard Franiec: "Hand Grip, HG-XPro1 (sold separately) - Giving you more secure and balanced handling of the camera, the X-Pro1 accessory grip smoothly moulds to the lines of the camera body for a uniform look. The grip helps balance the weight of the camera body, allowing for a more comfortable hold."
By their own admission the cam is not well balanced as is. For the premium price Fuji is asking this should be accessory included in the box, not an paid option.Nevertheless, I like this refreshing camera, a step above other offerings.
I think that's a stretch of logic. Saying the grip offers more balanced handling is in no way the same as saying the camera is unbalanced without it. Having actually handled it, I don't think I'd personally use the grip - naturally YMMV.
Tee1up: Sounds like a really cool camera but $1700 really is a shocker. Still trying to figure out if it allows real manual focus or that maddening focus by wire business. The former i hope.
I'm not sure how many times I wrote in the preview that the X-Pro1 uses electronic focus-by-wire. But I'll restate it again here, just to be sure.
pumeco: Does this camera have manual video mode?
Forgive me for asking, but as usual, DPReview have given no consideration to users of video during a preview.
The days of "stills" cameras being the domain of stills only shooters, have long gone. It's about time features such as manual video mode were detailed as being available or not. Please consider the video users in your preview and reviews.
Please also consider adding a "Manual Video Mode" section to the specification list of all cameras and putting a YES or NO next to it. I'm sick and tired of waiting for a full review only to have my dreams smashed when I discover they have crippled the camera with a "Made for Idiots" automatic mode.
This is my ideal camera if it provides manual video mode, but if it doesn't, I'll be avoiding it in the same way I avoid every other camera that treats me like an idiot. Canon are superb with the video implementation on their DSLR's, so hopefully it has filtered down to this little beauty.
If you take the time top read the preview more thoroughly, you'll find the answer to your question. There's no manual exposure control in movie mode.
riveredger: Awesome job , Canon! Where can I preorder??
Dpreview - possible to show a side by side with the G12 to see the size difference?
Err... read the preview?
JWest: The lumping of the Samsung NX200 into the "intermediate" category seems to highlight the arbitrary nature of the categorisation used. I'm curious what the E-P3 or the GX1 offer to "enthusiasts" that the NX200 doesn't, other than their smaller sensors.
No, this is what you get right now, based on Amazon prices with kit zooms:
Sub-£450: GF3, E-PM1, NEX-C3£450-£550: J1, G3, E-PL3, NEX-5N, NX200Over £550: GX1, GH2, Q, V1, E-P3, NEX-7
Look familiar in any way?
This highlights the problem with categorising by price alone; it's a snapshot in time which will vary across regions (we're a multinational site). What's right for you right now will almost certainly not be correct eslewhere.
All we've done is reflect the way way manufacturers design their product ranges, offering more features aimed at a more experienced audience as the price increases. We're not just randomly making up divisions for the sake of it.
filipe brandao: I really don't understand why dpreview is clinging on to a marketing catch word ("mirrorless") instead of promoting a more clear classification of cameras. Classifying these cameras as "mirrorless" is the same as saying a pencil is a inkless pen. Its confusing and forsakes a hole history of photography in which most of the cameras didn't have mirrors in their system. One should ask why isn't leica m9 included in this group. Cameras have always been classified by how they allow the photographer to view/focus on the subject and their format. Any effort in this direction would help to clear the marketing confusion in which we roam.
@brianbxb: "DPREVIEW journalists are not disciplined in their use of English ( how many times in the article above does it say "Four Thirds" when it should say "Micro Four Thirds" ?)" As far as I can tell, none. Care to give me an example? One point you may wish to bear in mind is that Micro Four Thirds describes the lens mount standard, not the sensor size (which is Four Thirds).
OleThorsen: So basically Mr. Butler tells the family father who's a photography beginner: "We at dpreview firmly believe it's perfectly OK that your only solution to capture your playing children is to shout: Stand still children - father want to take a picture of you!", instead of learning to use Shutter Priority.
This sites IQ has gone downhill since Askey left the business.
I'm confused again. Where does the article say that?
I'm confused. Where does the article say that?
(BTW, if you're going to make snarky comments about IQ, it's probably worth getting your apostrophes right.)