FinDERP: Where is the MF camera?!?!
I LITERALLY only clicked this article to ogle that thing, and you couldn't be bothered to show the single best thing on the stand? WTF dpr
The Nikon report was "updated." This one could be updated as well.
First view of an all-black WG-M1. Might be a good hip-shot stealth stills camera.
CatsAreFineArt: "And yes, we'll bring a polarizing filter next time."
Couldn't manage to find one at the largest photo show in the world? I thought I had it rough in the suburbs.
shooting with some snazzy mirrorless with no filter threads, is my guess . . .
A spare but fair (i.e., not gratuitously snarky) report. DPR could only mention what Ricoh brought to the event, so it is what it is. My only observation would be on the point "As with all Pentax DSLRs, [theK-S1] optical viewfinder is very large for its price range." Since all Pentax DSLR viewfinders are still high-quality pentaprisms, even the entry-level OVF's are better than most viewfinders from other makers, in any price range. Viewfinder quality resonates somewhat with mention that DPR forgot a polarizer to eliminate glass case reflections (oops!). One of the finer qualities of those nice, bright Pentax viewfinders is the ability to dial in polarization quickly and precisely (when you don't forget the filter). Not just inability to see most mirrorless screens in bright sunlight, but the added difficulty of clearly seeing polarization remains a big drawback to mirrorless, IMHO.
Mr Darma: I'm inclined to believe that this will go the way of the K-01 (which was a much better camera than it's fate). As a dedicated lifelong Pentax shooter with 5 bodies and 30 lenses, I gave up on APS-C and am back shooting film on my MZ-S, PZ1-p and ZX-5n.....patiently waiting for the much rumored and perhaps never to happen full frame K-1. I wish the effort by Ricoh/Pentax had been directed thus rather than on this blingy little thing.
I was a big fan of MZ-S, PZ-1p, and ZX-5n also, especially the PZ-1p, which I think introduced the hyper-program/green button that has been with us ever since. I've never found the Pentax UI bettered by anyone. It may be that Pentax decided to be King of the Hill in APS-C, and with the K-5 series and now the K-3 they accomplished that. Engaging in the full frame battle against canikon would have been too much to shoot for given a somewhat troubled history of takeovers. The other products - K-01, Q-series, 645, K-S1 - demonstrate ongoing diversity and desire to innovate. Q-series and 645 have both been successful, and K-S1 might prove to be successful if the sensor rocks. All of these things seem like a smart long-term strategy to me. The Pentax engineers have made some exceptional, innovative, really nice stuff over the decades. I think they're not done yet, despite the comical doomsayers.
Ricoh is aiming for that segment of the action camera market that couldn't care less about every top-end specification possible. There are plenty of Youtube hero wannabes to go around for several makers; that fact is patently obvious from a few minutes on Youtube, and the idea that everyone in world is looking 24/7 to produce a film festival winner is silly. Everyone here who has declaimed the WG-M1 as a product of failed imagination have themselves failed to imagine that Ricoh has targeted the market carefully and has likely hit a sweet spot.
robbo d: Yet another tilt towards coloured and out of left field camera's for Pentax.....which is an understanding of their market strengths. Spec wise pretty good compared to the opposition..... so for all the uninformed out there, watch this space as it does well turning even more profit for Pentax.
But dear GOD.... please DPR........ DONT review this camera... can see it now, full of silly, snarkey, uninformed comments by reviewers stuck in a Canikonony space warp and no understanding of Pentax's market. I'll read proper reviews from unbiased other sites thanks....... it's not a product for you to review.
I'll second the idea that DPR simply does not understand Pentax - and not just the market Pentax aims for, but Pentax's quite fluid user interface - well enough to do a review that doesn't contain irrelevant snarks. Sometimes DPR's review comments on Pentax sound like the trolls themselves.
Biro: No touchscreen, no native wifi, big K-mount lens with noisy autofocus. The problem with the K-S1 is that it's not going to appeal to its intended market: mobile-interface shooters. There've been only two devices that have resonated with this market in the past decade: the iPhone and the GoPro camera. Pentax and the rest of the traditional camera industry still don't have a clue about how to reach these people and I have to wonder what Pentax's next crack at mirrorless will look like. I just have to shake my head.
Sandy - It's DPR -- not me -- that calls EOS1200D, D3300, and K-S1 "entry level." I think K-S1 punches a little bit above that weight class, but I took them at their word to pull up the side-by-sides for 2014. (Of course, DPR also calls the D5300 you mention a "compact SLR" -- like it does EOS1200 and D3300 -- when all three of those are actually larger in all dimensions than the "mid-size" K-S1. So we know DPR mixes some things up.) As for the grip looking wrong, I'm not making a judgment on how it feels until I hold it. As for colors, I think the red D5300 would be just the thing for YOU if you buy one.
"Pentax and the rest of the traditional camera industry still don't have a clue about how to reach these people"
That might be the case, and it might be difficult to do if attempted. But among the C, N, and P "entry level" (DPR's categorization) DSLRs for 2014 (EOS1200D, D3300, K-S1), go to the side-by-side comparison tool and . . . compare. None have touch screen, none have built-in wifi (but Pentax accepts FLU and Eye-Fi cards), and all have big lens mounts. Pentax pretty much wins the comparison not only on specs but also in not being just another black blob. Is it an iPhone or a Go-Pro hit? Surely not, but for an "entry level" (DPR's categorization) DSLR, it's a better at-bat than C or N have done in 2014.
Clyde Thomas: I come here mostly for the colorful comments. Some of you guys are hilarious. Thanks for the laughs Pentax. Hope you do well with this.
More laughs in store with Canon's and Nikon's 2014 "entry level" black blobs with knobs! Their pentamirror viewfinders are especially hilarious, not to mention that they are called "Compact SLR" here at DPR when they are bigger than the "mid-size" K-S1 in every dimension. Now THAT'S funny!
solarider: "If you look closely at what's on the screen above, you'll see that Pentax has given the menus a new font. And it's about time."
DPR: Fontification? Fontastic?
Strange, was the font so bad in the first place? I never noticed.
The Pentax menu font has always been just fine, perfectly legible and clear. DPR's "insight" here is some kind of "princess and the pea" criticism.
drummercam: Comparing the Pentax K-S1 to the Pentax K-50 is definitely a good way to avoid having to compare it to Canon's 2014 entry-level DSLR, the EOS 1200D (Rebel T5). I don't think the pentamirror, mono-microphone, 3fps, 0.8mag viewfinder, 460K-dot LCD EOS 1200D compares favorably at all, and the price difference is buying solid features, including build, no doubt.
And since "looks" get most of the troll action here, that black blob of a Canon lacks all distinction. Also obvious just by looking -- since looking is all that the complainers about the K-S1 have done as of yet -- is that if Pentax intended to present a less intimidating user interface, comparing K-S1 to the EOS 1200D wins the point easily.
DPR also again shows some anti-Pentax bias by listing (according to the "side-by-side" feature) the EOS as a "Compact SLR" and the Pentax as a "Mid-size SLR." The Canon is apparently 130 x 100 x 78mm, while the Pentax is 121 x 93 x 70mm. I guess compact is bigger than mid-size now?
@Tan68 -- DPR's muddling of compact and mid-size is only a corollary point to my main point, but I do think it is very deliberate. Nikon's only "entry-level" DSLR in 2014 (D3300) is also listed as a "Compact SLR" . . . and it too is bigger than the "mid-size" K-S1 in all dimensions.
It's all part of the pattern. K-S1 kicks the soup out of the EOS 1200D, but I think it also takes on the D3300 quite handily. Nonetheless, DPR compares the K-S1 to the Pentax K-50?? Looks like someone wants to take the edge off of the new model's sales and throw them to the K-50 if possible. We certainly wouldn't want the Pentax 2014 "entry level" DSLR to grab anything from Canon or Nikon, now would we? My view is that the K-S1 beats both of the "entry level" offerings for 2014 from Canon and Nikon, and does so not ugly at all, but pretty darned elegantly compared to those black blobs.
The K-3 and the K-5 series were all gizmos. Uh, . . . right, King P.
sdh: Wow. Just... wow.Cameras like this give Canon and Nikon fanbois something to genuinely bond over.
Like Canon's beautiful entry-level DSLR for 2014, the EOS 1200D!
Comparing the Pentax K-S1 to the Pentax K-50 is definitely a good way to avoid having to compare it to Canon's 2014 entry-level DSLR, the EOS 1200D (Rebel T5). I don't think the pentamirror, mono-microphone, 3fps, 0.8mag viewfinder, 460K-dot LCD EOS 1200D compares favorably at all, and the price difference is buying solid features, including build, no doubt.
Excellent picture. Attractive color palette, interesting scene, crisp detail from that K-5 with the 15 Ltd. Congratulations.
Juck: Seems a bit gimmicky,,,nothing really sexy,,, definitely one for the Pentax fanboys.
Not at all. The fanboys already have a K-30, or a K-50, or a K-5, or a K-3, or a Q, together with a K-01 that they got when prices made it the best bargain in show business for a while. They won't be buying this. This is a new design for new users who, with the more or less standard Pentax features and always very nice user interface, will be well-served by it.
HS Wells: K-S1 is a replacement of K-01 ?
steelhead3: That OVF viewfinder sure has good specs compared to any competition.
Yes, the K-S1 pentaprism goes unmentioned. We did hear that the menu font apparently needed changing, though. And about time!
"bashed our heads"
"Losing skin cells"
Sounds like the K-S1 attacked you.
"About time" for a new font on the menus? What? The font has been just fine. "Bizarre" LEDs? Those are for that market segment DPR can't seem to imagine exists.
In short, I hear some back-handed, unnecessary slamming of Pentax, as usual.