I thought Canon are meant to have resolved banding? The tulip image is horrendous. And they want how much for it? It's a premium product which has such limited use, the market they should be making this for will surely be incredibly disappointed.
QuarryCat: the picture looks very artificial to me or simply "not my style"and the hole discussion about more dynamic contrast, HDR and better Sony Sensors is searching for a holy grail to me.If I want to do landscape I take a large-format-camera - it is that easy.Fullframe will never be the one solution for all, not even Nikon or Sony.And if you like to use exotic and best lenses (like me) where can you go?Sony? is just starting - Nikon is 5-8 years back, Pentax ...
Who has a8-15 mm - 11-24 mm - 1,2/50 mm - 1,2/85 mm - 2,8/65 mm Macro - 4,0/400 mm DO and a wide range of better zooms and lenses?
Canon could do even better and more, and faster - no question - but it seems Canons focus is where it belongs - on the lenses.
"Canon could do even better and more, and faster - no question "
Rubbish. They are half a decade behind at least. If they could produce a sensor to rival a Sony or Nikon I guarantee 100% it would be out there now. Your suggestion is they are deliberately holding back, while the world watches and waits. Don't make me laugh. They simply don't have the capability, period.
russbarnes: Simply put, this is always the risk in buying a product early. Hasn't everyone learned yet? And in case you're thinking Canon's QC process is any different to Nikon, this proves 100% it absolutely isn't. I wonder if all the Canon apologists forgot about the 5DMKIII light leak and recall of the top of the line 1DX too? It's one model after another whoever you're buying from....Fuji have released endless firmware fixes (yes, they are fixes) for their products too. No more pre-orders for me, let the price settle, all the issues to be ironed out and buy after 6 months.
Problems caused by poor quality software are no less irritating or debilitating than those caused by hardware, so I disagree strongly. The AF on numerous Fuji X Series cameras was awful to begin with, all resolved by firmware. Stopped me buying one for years too...
Simply put, this is always the risk in buying a product early. Hasn't everyone learned yet? And in case you're thinking Canon's QC process is any different to Nikon, this proves 100% it absolutely isn't. I wonder if all the Canon apologists forgot about the 5DMKIII light leak and recall of the top of the line 1DX too? It's one model after another whoever you're buying from....Fuji have released endless firmware fixes (yes, they are fixes) for their products too. No more pre-orders for me, let the price settle, all the issues to be ironed out and buy after 6 months.
This is impossible. Canon don't have any QA issues...
Thoughts R Us: Here is what is so funny. The new 5Ds/r will probably outsell all of the mirrorless camera offerings combined and generate far more revenue and profit for Canon. I think those cameras are gonig to be a big hit.
The new Canon 11-24 we are seeing is an optical masterpiece and again will sell well for what it is.
Those new Canon Rebels...again they will outsell Sony, Fuji, etc. by a wide margin.
There is this weird disparity online between the loud internet critics and the reality of the market. It's really rather strange. Because in spite of the internet chatter, the market keeps voting with its money and is continuing to make Canon #1 in sales. I will be the first to admit they are in trouble once their market share / position slips but that is not happening, at least not yet.
Interesting. I've spoken to two retailers in the UK who said they've pre-orders that can be counted on one hand so far. Part of the problem is they announce a product months ahead of a release date, no RAW files available and actually no firm date for delivery either.
Canon are running scared.
Majauskasson: The Kickstarter folks tried and failed but have been completely up front and deserve commendation for their honesty and forthrightness. They produced solid evidence of a product so close to production it hurts to see it stop. This is pure capitalism and entrepreneurship at its best. Investors know they are buying a risk and should accept that. Stocks are no different. You win. You lose. Companies like Sony soak up millions in research without blinking. This was a solid product not some penny stock scam. It was a brave and honest venture and maybe a larger mouthful to swallow than first anticipated but so close it could have succeeded. I applaud the hard work of the folks who tried and failed and hope the spirit of innovation is still alive and well.
Stocks are very different. You own a stake in the company, you get a share certificate, you can earn a dividend and you can sell it again. Kickstarter? As close to accountability free money, no stake, no promise, no resale, no refund. You couldn't have picked a worse analogy.
russbarnes: Only the gigantically stupid back things with their own money. There's a reason why this didn't go down the route of banks and structured finance. Suckers! The owners are laughing at you.
lol. Wow, I was not aware it was cheaper to crowd fund instead of obtaining retail finance. You really have an advanced insight into corporate finance!
Obtaining money from people with no risk sure is an easy way to make a lot of mistakes with no accountability other than "oops sorry, we got it wrong". For me, it's borderline criminal, falling between the gaps of real governance and corporate responsibility. In fact I'm amazed the whole arrangement is even considered legal. People who put money behind these ideas deserve EVERYTHING they get...
Rooru S: Partial refund??
If they were honest they would replace the word "partial" with "insulting" or "worthless"
Only the gigantically stupid back things with their own money. There's a reason why this didn't go down the route of banks and structured finance. Suckers! The owners are laughing at you.
DuckShots: I have L lenses. Will they be sharper? I love all of them. Will they be less sharp? Cannot spend more on glass. Don't have the money for a medium format or a Leica. Is this the camera of my present dreams?
It won't make ANY lens sharper. Delivering more resolution does not mean crappy soft lenses suddenly get sharper. In fact in the edges and corners at 100% you will see more than ever the flaws of those lenses. Just check the Canon supplied image of the library using the 17mm TSE for the truth about its edge and corner performance.
russbarnes: Incredible. There is absolutely nothing to write home about here. Colour is flat and dull, sharpness is questionable at best. It looks like output from a cheap crop sensor zoom that shouldn't cost you more than £150... There's nothing here at all worth talking about over the 18-55.
Well that's what we've been given to place the judgement on, so yes, let's.
Incredible. There is absolutely nothing to write home about here. Colour is flat and dull, sharpness is questionable at best. It looks like output from a cheap crop sensor zoom that shouldn't cost you more than £150... There's nothing here at all worth talking about over the 18-55.
DaveBowman: All that resolution and they still give you a crappy bit of rubber for an eyepiece shutter. Some things never change, like Canon not listening to feedback. Glad I moved away.
The weight of what Canon must feel about apparently innocuous features like that is staggering. They prove over and over that they think they know better than the people using their equipment. It's utterly appalling.
People don't want to hear the truth. They want to hear that Canon's lens lineup can easily handle 50MP and the sensors handle noise beautifully at low ISO.
They don't want to see blurred corners and poor edges revealed in the 17mm & 24mm Tilt Shift lenses that was never apparent before. They don't want to hear about the noise in clear blue skies at ISO 200 and blotchy shadows that are worse than ever. Every image I've seen so far that's meant to demonstrate the incredible resolving power of the 5Ds has been utterly appalling, without hesitation. No fine detail at 100%. What is going on?
The truth about Canon's lenses and sensor performance will soon be revealed to the world, just as Nikon was laid bare when the D800 was released.
Preternatural Stuff: Noise level same as 5D Mk III? That means noise is still inferior to the flagship Sony sensors.
Reckon the DR will be inferior too. What price resolution?!?!
Let's wait for the Sony mega-sensors coming out anytime now (rumoured for Q1 2015)!
Actually I believe it says noise level similar to 5DMKII, not MKIII:
"Canon tells us that at a pixel level, noise levels should be very similar to the EOS 7D Mark II and slightly better than what we'd expect from a 5D Mark II"
The same noise performance as a 5DMKII and same dynamic range as a 5DMKIII? They pretty much removed video for all intent too. So where exactly did Canon invest in this body? A set of truly breath-taking statements...
Photo Pete: Not surprised dSLR focus accuracy is so hit and miss. How on earth can a precision optical instrument be designed so poorly that the AF module is able to be installed in a visibly different location on each model.
That's not bad quality control, it's bad design.
But no one has ever missed focus with a Canon DSLR. Fact.
Digitall: Flare gives the image a retro style, very popular these days, hence the Nikon have included this type of effect in his latest model, for free.
You should buy a Canon 1DX, it set the benchmark for this standard ;)