slippedcurve623: Now If nikon updates their 200mm f/2, the 200-400mm f/4 ii (yea the nikon 200-400 ii is not as sharp, even when compared to canon 70-200mm f/2.8 ii) as well as releasing the d900 with the a7r ii sensor, then I might jump ship from canon :-)
"Whispers are the 1D X II will finally get a totally new tech 25MP sensor with class leading DR and hopefully 5D IV gets this sensor tech too"
LukeDuciel: "What I like so much about shooting with Fujifilm cameras that use this sensor is the minimal amount of fussing I need to do with my images in post. "
I cannot agree more.
I could not agree less. Sold my X-E2 and 3 lenses because of the numerous post processing issues. Fuji haven't yet provided a RAW tool that's acceptable and this is a big problem to me. I can only describe the files as 'brittle', certainly the lack of DR holds them back too. Fuji need to spend less time on Firmware updates and working on the electronics in these bodies and dedicate real time to providing a quality RAW solution instead.
russbarnes: How is the moire so bad with the 5DSR? It's all over this image, yet there is no sign of it with the D810. Canon seem to have got something hideously wrong with this camera.
Maybe it's just me but I keep seeing this effect over and over with 5DSR images in particular. I've rarely seen moire anything like this ever since the D800 was launched more than 3 years ago. I maintain that Canon have not got the balance right somewhere in their recipe. Take a look at the banknote in this scene in particular. Two different lenses, very similar results.
JackM: What's up with the color Moire in some places in the 5DSR image?
These images compare a 5DSR and D810 so it's very much on topic. Look at the dark areas of this image in particular and the Canon performs poorly. Comparing the 5DSR to the 5DMKIII is pointless given the resolution gap.
How is the moire so bad with the 5DSR? It's all over this image, yet there is no sign of it with the D810. Canon seem to have got something hideously wrong with this camera.
All I keep seeing in EVERY single image from the 5DS/R is noise. An unacceptable level of noise too. Incredible. No wonder there is no real world excitement about this camera, IQ is degraded even at lowest ISO.
mpgxsvcd: Canon should have shipped their 5DS cameras sooner. They don’t even come out till next week and this announcement can’t help their sales. This Sony camera would at least give potential Canon 5Ds customers pause. The features this camera offers over the Canon camera are undeniable(4K, high ISO, High speed video…etc).
You don't need to trade your lenses for this body. This is where the 5Ds will be eaten alive. Use your Canon glass on it and have the body that Canon can't give you. No swapping required - and Canon know it.
You're wrong. The possible 5Ds owners were just given a huge reason to look at something else. And they will. The Canon board will be absolutely gutted today, especially as even after months of marketing no one has seen a good quality RAW file yet.
matthew saville: These full-frame Sonys just keep getting heavier and heavier.
The A7R was 14 oz. The A7 mkII was 21 oz. The A7R mkII is 22 oz.
Considering that a D750 is 26 oz and that a Df is 25 oz, and considering the rather pathetic lifespan of the NP-FW50 battery that would require me to carry 2-3x more batteries anyways, I'm throwing in the towel. This is a joke.
1.5x and 2x mirrorless are the only systems that are truly living up to the weight and space savings mantra that mirrorless had hyped up. Sony's FE system continues to deliver hefty lenses that weigh as much as or more than their DSLR competition. Their bodies get heavier and heavier, as they try and step up the build quality to an acceptable standard.
I'll grant that there are still innumerable new bells and whistles that many people are going to greatly appreciate about mirrorless. 4K video, in-body stabilization, and of course, focus peaking. If those were things I cared about, maybe I'd get on board.
Likely this is the weight of in-camera stabilisation. Worth every ounce for me...
nekrosoft13: me want!!! screw Canon 5Ds
Agreed. Most people would leave the Canon 5Ds on the shelf for this. 4k video, in body stabilisation and an absolute class leading sensor make this a winner, unlike the noisy files with no DR that Canon seem to have prioritised for their long suffering fanboys....
I thought Canon are meant to have resolved banding? The tulip image is horrendous. And they want how much for it? It's a premium product which has such limited use, the market they should be making this for will surely be incredibly disappointed.
QuarryCat: the picture looks very artificial to me or simply "not my style"and the hole discussion about more dynamic contrast, HDR and better Sony Sensors is searching for a holy grail to me.If I want to do landscape I take a large-format-camera - it is that easy.Fullframe will never be the one solution for all, not even Nikon or Sony.And if you like to use exotic and best lenses (like me) where can you go?Sony? is just starting - Nikon is 5-8 years back, Pentax ...
Who has a8-15 mm - 11-24 mm - 1,2/50 mm - 1,2/85 mm - 2,8/65 mm Macro - 4,0/400 mm DO and a wide range of better zooms and lenses?
Canon could do even better and more, and faster - no question - but it seems Canons focus is where it belongs - on the lenses.
"Canon could do even better and more, and faster - no question "
Rubbish. They are half a decade behind at least. If they could produce a sensor to rival a Sony or Nikon I guarantee 100% it would be out there now. Your suggestion is they are deliberately holding back, while the world watches and waits. Don't make me laugh. They simply don't have the capability, period.
russbarnes: Simply put, this is always the risk in buying a product early. Hasn't everyone learned yet? And in case you're thinking Canon's QC process is any different to Nikon, this proves 100% it absolutely isn't. I wonder if all the Canon apologists forgot about the 5DMKIII light leak and recall of the top of the line 1DX too? It's one model after another whoever you're buying from....Fuji have released endless firmware fixes (yes, they are fixes) for their products too. No more pre-orders for me, let the price settle, all the issues to be ironed out and buy after 6 months.
Problems caused by poor quality software are no less irritating or debilitating than those caused by hardware, so I disagree strongly. The AF on numerous Fuji X Series cameras was awful to begin with, all resolved by firmware. Stopped me buying one for years too...
Simply put, this is always the risk in buying a product early. Hasn't everyone learned yet? And in case you're thinking Canon's QC process is any different to Nikon, this proves 100% it absolutely isn't. I wonder if all the Canon apologists forgot about the 5DMKIII light leak and recall of the top of the line 1DX too? It's one model after another whoever you're buying from....Fuji have released endless firmware fixes (yes, they are fixes) for their products too. No more pre-orders for me, let the price settle, all the issues to be ironed out and buy after 6 months.
This is impossible. Canon don't have any QA issues...
Thoughts R Us: Here is what is so funny. The new 5Ds/r will probably outsell all of the mirrorless camera offerings combined and generate far more revenue and profit for Canon. I think those cameras are gonig to be a big hit.
The new Canon 11-24 we are seeing is an optical masterpiece and again will sell well for what it is.
Those new Canon Rebels...again they will outsell Sony, Fuji, etc. by a wide margin.
There is this weird disparity online between the loud internet critics and the reality of the market. It's really rather strange. Because in spite of the internet chatter, the market keeps voting with its money and is continuing to make Canon #1 in sales. I will be the first to admit they are in trouble once their market share / position slips but that is not happening, at least not yet.
Interesting. I've spoken to two retailers in the UK who said they've pre-orders that can be counted on one hand so far. Part of the problem is they announce a product months ahead of a release date, no RAW files available and actually no firm date for delivery either.
Canon are running scared.
Majauskasson: The Kickstarter folks tried and failed but have been completely up front and deserve commendation for their honesty and forthrightness. They produced solid evidence of a product so close to production it hurts to see it stop. This is pure capitalism and entrepreneurship at its best. Investors know they are buying a risk and should accept that. Stocks are no different. You win. You lose. Companies like Sony soak up millions in research without blinking. This was a solid product not some penny stock scam. It was a brave and honest venture and maybe a larger mouthful to swallow than first anticipated but so close it could have succeeded. I applaud the hard work of the folks who tried and failed and hope the spirit of innovation is still alive and well.
Stocks are very different. You own a stake in the company, you get a share certificate, you can earn a dividend and you can sell it again. Kickstarter? As close to accountability free money, no stake, no promise, no resale, no refund. You couldn't have picked a worse analogy.
russbarnes: Only the gigantically stupid back things with their own money. There's a reason why this didn't go down the route of banks and structured finance. Suckers! The owners are laughing at you.
lol. Wow, I was not aware it was cheaper to crowd fund instead of obtaining retail finance. You really have an advanced insight into corporate finance!
Obtaining money from people with no risk sure is an easy way to make a lot of mistakes with no accountability other than "oops sorry, we got it wrong". For me, it's borderline criminal, falling between the gaps of real governance and corporate responsibility. In fact I'm amazed the whole arrangement is even considered legal. People who put money behind these ideas deserve EVERYTHING they get...
Rooru S: Partial refund??
If they were honest they would replace the word "partial" with "insulting" or "worthless"
Only the gigantically stupid back things with their own money. There's a reason why this didn't go down the route of banks and structured finance. Suckers! The owners are laughing at you.