Behold. This is 21st Century Canon all over so get used to it.
SteveSFO: I've been on the Zeiss Otus waiting list now for almost 2 months. Considering how good the Sigma 35mm f/1.4 Art has been with me, if Sigma gets this lens out on the market within a couple of weeks and if it lives up to all the claims Sigma is making - Carl Zeiss, you blew it!
Sigma.... put out some photos taken with this lens ASAP !!
£3k for a DSLR lens is pushing the envelope of acceptability in my book. I don't think Zeiss expect to sell many. If the Sigma 50mm 1.4 Art lens is even 90% of the Otus at a price that most are expecting it should be on everyone's list.
Gravitino: I wasn't expecting to buy a new 50, especially after getting the CV Nokton f/1.1 for my Leica M3. However, the 35mm f/1.4 Art lens from Sigma is among the best pieces of glass I've ever used. If this 50 performs similarly, my "nifty fifty" Canon is going to be retired. I can't wait to see some sample photos!
Couldn't agree more. Sigma are starting to hand out lessons to Canon, Nikon and Zeiss. The Sigma 35mm 1.4 Art lens is incredible on my D800E, in my view better than anything else I've used...
russbarnes: Who knows how many firmware updates it will take to get this release right....Buy in a year for a functional device?
Turns out I'm not the only one who doesn't peddle the same line as DPR here...The Fuji myth - I rest my case:
Fuji have a habit of releasing half cut cameras. I have no desire to endure months of frustration and be a guinea pig for products which have perpetually been rushed to market in an unfinished or unsatisfactory state that has plagued their other releases. Anyone who can't see that with Fuji is utterly blind! Using words like "refining behaviour" does not mean adding features. They have very much had to fix bugs, whether you think your use of phrases reflects that or not.
Who knows how many firmware updates it will take to get this release right....Buy in a year for a functional device?
russbarnes: Massive, massive yawn. Fuji have already become as predictable in this market as Canon has with its DSLRs. Every single release near identical to the last, the sensor is the same to three years ago, it's like Fuji are playing a fruit machine trying to find the right combination of a body that actually sells. The fact is that until they enter the full frame market, no one will take them seriously, if they put this body around something like the A7R sensor then it would sell, but failing to produce any lenses that could be used on full frame suggests this is years away. By then, Sony will have stolen the march on them.
I'm at a loss as to who believes this is a winning strategy from Fuji because their sales are so bad they don't even register in some countries. If they want to prise away customers from the DSLR market, it's not going to happen with £1000 crop sensor cameras and £1000 crop sensor lenses....
Good luck with that game of spot the difference Jeff. You should have saved some money and ordered an X-fillintheblank and then report how you could detect any difference whatsoever in the final image ;)
Massive, massive yawn. Fuji have already become as predictable in this market as Canon has with its DSLRs. Every single release near identical to the last, the sensor is the same to three years ago, it's like Fuji are playing a fruit machine trying to find the right combination of a body that actually sells. The fact is that until they enter the full frame market, no one will take them seriously, if they put this body around something like the A7R sensor then it would sell, but failing to produce any lenses that could be used on full frame suggests this is years away. By then, Sony will have stolen the march on them.
Joed700: Nikon definitely has taking steps backward in terms of QC among other things. The last and most decent release of FX DSLRs were D700 and D3X in my opinion. The current D800s LCD screens have a greenish yellow tone, which makes one wonder why the D700 and D3xs were better even they are older models. Also, the jpegs on the D800s were not exactly perfect either in term of colors. If cutting back is their big motive, I wouldn't mind paying a little extra to get something at least as good as the D700 or D3x. Nikon, shame on you!
I think you'd better read your post again. YOU said the D800 LCD has a greenish yellow tone. There is NOTHING wrong with the quality of the LCD and when you have the FIRST clue about colour calibration, come back on here and apologise for your arrogance. Then read MY post again and you'll know I shot with the D700 for years, and side by side with the D800.
Kite Kraemer: Too little, too late. I didn't want to switch back to Canon, but I'm glad I did --their customer service is great!
Brilliant Kite. You've bought into a company that wants to price gouge you with EVERY release, wants to cripple every product unless you're buying a 1DX and you'll get engineering that that's three steps behind the rest of the market. Awesome choice lol. And for the record, you didn't test Canon's 'service' at all, you tested their sales ability to real you in, which sounds like it was very effective indeed. Canon are very good at that. Enjoy that 'experience' when you get an actual problem...
Picturenaut: I'd really suggest DPR to amend their reviews with a production quality rating that's updated regularly. Pretty sure that some glorious gold award material would be less shiny after a while.
It's a real pity with Nikon nowadays. We really want to update the D300 in our Nikon gear at home. But this (once highly praised) camera makes enough trouble, so we are not prepared to risk any more annoyance. D800? AF issues. D600? Smeared sensors. In fact, our D300 proved to be much more prone to dirt on the sensor than our Canon DSLRs.
Looks like the old times of superior quality cameras from Nikon such as the legendary FM series are definitely over (we still have 3 FM-2 bodies, one worked even in the Siberian at -40 °C without any trouble). Currently I really prefer my Canon DSLRs with their less fancy sensors (in terms of DXO) because they simply do what they have to do without any smearing or snorting around.
Scott, ALL of your comments are the most naive utterly deluded words in this whole thread. Thanks for the laughs.
Honestly the crap that gets peddled on this website is laughable. There is nothing wrong with the D800s LCD - and you clearly don't own one. As for JPEGs, they can be adjusted to do anything. My D800 is perfect on both counts. The build of the D800 is identical to my D700 but the output made the D700 look like an amateur toy. The sensor in the D800 made the D3X irrelevant overnight too - a camera that is still selling at £4000 which is a joke.
Justin Francis: Little wonder that Nikon's profit is going downhill.
But it isn't. Please take your endless trolling comments elsewhere...
lol. If Canon had a decent alternative you wouldn't be using their Customer Service. Nice attempt to troll, but you failed miserably ;)
VivaLasVegas: D600 needs a portable blow drier and a wit swab handy every 100 shots.By the 25th shot, you can't step down beyond f8 because the oil/dust will be prominent, unless you have a wit swab in handy. For a camera to score 87%, that is only usable in bright day light and a struggle in low light situation compared to D800 is crazy. While both has useless outer AF pts. in low light scenarios, D800 can acquire focus. But then again, D800 needs a solid tripod + ballhead with a wind velocity less than 3mph. You just can't win, pick your poison.
What do you expect of a serial Canon troll who does nothing more than post crap like this? He hates the fact Nikon's sensors run rings round his dear Rebel, he's never even touched a full frame camera, all he knows how to do is write drivel.
fdfgdfgdgf: I have checked the RAW ISO vs 5D3 its seems that 5D3 is better at one stop over the D600.
Why DPR concludes with "Outstanding low and high ISO performance in both JPEG and Raw files" and not just very good?
"Outstanding" as being related to which peer full frame camera?
Why not compare it to the 1DX or D4 while you're at it? It's a stupid comparison, unless you want to talk about the £1000 price difference between the D600 and 5DIII too. Or did you forget aout that? If you want to compare at ISO12800 which almost no one uses then you will find a small difference. The important performance is at ISO 100-800 where the D600's sensor makes a camera like the 5DIII look grossly over-priced, image quality is surpassed...
russbarnes: It's clear that more and more that even these lowly offerings from Nikon look better than cameras many times their price from Canon. I'm willing to bet the image quality out of this is BETTER than the grossly overpriced 5DIII. Wait a couple of months and the 5200 will look like an incredible bargain...
Wow, you're truly a gear sucker Edward. If you can't make a high quality artistic image with a camera like the 5200 with a latest sensor, you need some photography lessons. I run some workshops you might want to sign up to... What is even funnier is you appear to shoot with the Canon 7D. Do you also believe that you could tell the side by side difference between that and the 5DIII? lol. I suggest you save your money if you're thinking about upgrading.
I beg to differ. I'm ready and willing to take that challenge - I bet I can produce a real world image from a 5200 and a 5DIII from an idenical scene and no one on here will be able to tell the difference.
It's clear that more and more that even these lowly offerings from Nikon look better than cameras many times their price from Canon. I'm willing to bet the image quality out of this is BETTER than the grossly overpriced 5DIII. Wait a couple of months and the 5200 will look like an incredible bargain...
VivaLasVegas: D600 is 1000% PLASTICKY.......just stating facts.
He doesn't have a point. He chooses to spend his entire insecure existence as a serial silly little Canon troll who's been broken by the fact that Nikon's cameras combine with Sony sensors to make the best image quality out there in the DSLR world. Pity him instead ;)