photogeek: Whoever is the first to make a rectilinear action cam will own the market.
Olympus actually can make rectal "action" camera's. :) So if you have any interest, just ask the medical division of Olympus. I don't want to know any details...
photogeek: Funny how the lens lineup is not even a consideration. Sony APS-C lineup sucks pretty bad, whereas Panasonic and Oly have high quality lenses available all the way from ultrawide to telephoto. If this doesn't matter to you, then I'm not sure you even need an "enthusiast" camera. A fixed lens 1" sensor camera would be a better choice.
Lol Proxy, good luck with finding some sales data that supports your statements.
The Sony APS-C options (photogeek was talking about APS-C) aren't getting better. There is no development from Sony whatsoever and the current ones are mostly mediocre or even worse. Only a few exemptions that are worth mentioning.
mvmv: Surprisingly, in declining ICL market, Canon seems to be profitably increasing their market share about 4%
They are selling the Rebel line for absolute dumping prices. So you gain market share but profits plunge. This is a dead-end tactic. The casual audience who will buy Rebels at dumping prices normally will use the camera with the kit-lens and wont upgrade anything.
captura: A6300 is a promising new APS-C camera. Will there be any new APS-C lenses?And what is the future for Sony APS-C? http://www.dpreview.com/interviews/4410376132/sony-engineer-interview-g-master-lens-design"We also asked Ohtake about Sony's APS-C lenses for E-mount. His team likes designing APS-C lenses, he says: ‘The focus elements are light, so it’s easier to design. We have all these focus motor technologies in-house and we’d like to try them in APS-C lenses if that’s what the Product Planning team says is required.’"Whatever that means.....
Like the 999 euro Sony-Zeiss 16-70 f/4.....
If it's easier to design than why most APS-C E-mount lenses are mediocre or worse? And it does say that none are planned and he has no clue if it will be planned.
Rick Knepper: No IBIS?
I'm rather locked in 1 sensor type brand. Than you know there will be full support for it and that your sensor type camera and lenses won't be treated like a second rate choice.
Sony loves to cripple there APS-C line-up. So you have to get ff camera and lenses. The argument that's to big and expensive is faulty. Even the cheap and small E-PM2 has IBIS
puffo25: Hi, I am wondering if someone can help me to decide the best camera solution for my needs. Currently I own an Olympus Pen-2 with couple of lenses. I use it to shoot events, travel, holidays and leisure but of course my aim is to make brilliant, high resolution and amazing images. The main needs is to have a camera that should not be noticed by most people (otherwise people get distracted)...., that has a fast enough burst rate (around 8 fps), HDR built in, EV manual controls, at least 16 megapixels, a sensor with truly low noise in shadow. The Panasonic GX8 and the Olympus Pen-F where the initial solutions (maybe Panasonic better because its more accurate focusing and frame/second), but than I got a bit puzzled by Canon PowerShoot GX-7, Fuji xPro-2, Sony a6300... Mmm, what shall I do? Are those other cameras offering betters image quality in terms of low noise, manual controls and overall features?
Invest in (better) lenses.
ijustloveshooting: if that body had AF joystick, it'd be a killer machine!
You can just use the touchscreen. It's very handy. O wait...... Sony forgot to include it.
Thorgrem: Nice new FE lenses. A welcome addition to the line-up. But where are the A and E lenses?
Not APS-C optimized.
Nice new FE lenses. A welcome addition to the line-up. But where are the A and E lenses?
adengappasami: now thats ground breaking..
No it isn't. Is also not made to be groundbreaking. It's made to fill in a demand of the consumer. This will sell massively and will help Apple to sell even more iPhones.
Thorgrem: And where are the new Sony E-mount APS-C lenses to go with this (nice) camera?Or do you really have to spend Master G money on a standard 2.8 zoom which is heavy and big?
If you want to make money with photography you need talent,out of the box thinking, a good network and skills to keep and extend your network. If you have that it doesn't matter if you use m4/3, APS-C, FF or MF. If you cant make money with m4/3 or APS-C, you also won't make money with ff.
Axactly my point Richard. So we can agree if you buy E-mount APS-C you will never get nice APS-C lenses like fast zooms, good tele and great macro. If you want that you will have to buy ff lenses that are more expensive, bigger and heavier. So beside the crappy kitlens a few mediocre other lenses and 1 or 2 good lenses you won't have any reduction in size. Basically the Sony APS-C body's are there to lure someone into ff.
And where are the new Sony E-mount APS-C lenses to go with this (nice) camera?Or do you really have to spend Master G money on a standard 2.8 zoom which is heavy and big?
Why is not everything converted to FF? FF is the standard and now people will suddenly get all confused. Normally with m4/3 (and APSÇ, Nikon 1) lenses, people and DPR always mention the cropfactor.
Richard Franiec: Same ol' will bring more cash than any mirrorless could dream about. Not even talking lenses and future upgrades to higher end models.As long as Canon and Nikon are most recognizable names in photo industry, they will play this game forever.
In case you didn't noticed; Canon is trenching the good brand name for some time now. Enthusiasts are not responding well anymore at just another minor upgraded Canon body with plastics from the 90's. Where do people who start with photography get there information from these days; enthusiasts like on this site.
D135ima: Long life the damn canon aps-c 18mp sensor and other canons ancient technologies. Long life to our patience and loyalty. Hail to 11.5 Ev ! Push noise clean resize ! Push noise clean resize ! All together now ! What is our motto ? - Push, noise, clean, resize !
The target market for this class of dSLR is already long gone. Even the 1200D did not sale, they had to give them away almost for free.