The Image Den: Am I the only person to think this an ugly camera, with every millimeter of available body space taken up by a knob or a dial?
I think it is beautiful. If I wanted to buy FF it would be this body.
Canon lovers keep saying that Mirrorless isn't successful outside Asia. The fact is that Olympus, Fuji, Panasonic and Sony have gained marketshare all over the world. Never before in the digital age there marketshare for system camera's was so big. Canikon together lost marketshare in the last 5 years.
Donnie G: No surprises here. Canon is wisely selling the camera in Japan and Asia only, since those are the only places where mirrorless compact system cameras have had any kind of sales success. Unlike the competition, Canon doesn't have to throw money and resources away panning for gold in an unproven and unreliable revenue stream. If the EOS M cameras ever turn a significant profit for the company, then there will be incentive for major development of that system. Until then, it's just makes sense to stick with what works for the overwhelming majority of camera buyers on the planet, and that's DSLRs.
Canon lovers keep saying that Mirrorless isn't successful outside Asia. The fact is that Olympus, Fuji, Panasonic and Sony have gained marketshare all over the world. Never before in the digital age there marketshare for system camera's so big.
Doctorbza, how about the price of the updated glass? Lol. Canon is not doing anything worth raving about. Just a lazy company with high marketshare. Sooner or later they will notice it in sales.
Henry M. Hertz: waiting for the PRO model in the eos-m line.
Lol. Canon's EF-M lens linup is a real joke compared to Olympus M.Zuiko lineup. Who are you kidding? Only yourself I think.
wcbert: I been shooting with Canon DSLR for over a decade ands own 12 "L" lens. I am also a Fuji X-e1 owner too. Canon has to do better alot better than this. There is no excuse they are not even trying to become a leader in the mirrorless camera world. They not even trying to be in third place!
Canon read the writing on the wall and look what Sony is doing. If not then except to become the Blackberry of the camera world.
"They not even trying to be in third place!"
They are in last place. Behind; Olympus, Panasonic, Sony, Samsung, Nikon and even Pentax.
Al these company's show more care for there MILC line and show more innovation than Canon. This is a moral blow for a company leading the dSLR sales.
Canon is making a joke? It's exactly the same body. At least try to show you are making an effort for your costumers. Canon has no inspiration and this EOS M line got no love from it's makers. Where are the new body's? Make at least one with and one without EVF. Make an EVF option for the M without one. Make some more lenses. This is a joke, a really bad tasting one.
Jogger: Thank goodness for Sony supplying the sensor. If Oly had to rely on Pana sensors the EM1 would still be in the dark ages. At least now they can almost compete with Canon APSc SLRs on image quality.
Nikon APSc sensors (D5300) are still many times better though. Now Oly has to bite the bullet and license AVCHD from Sony/Panasonic.
DxOMarkOlympus E-M1 = 73Panasonic GH3 = 71Panasonic GX7 = 70Canon 70D = 68Nikon D5300 = 83
So it seems that Panasonic sensors are almost as good as Sony sensors in Olympus body's. Nikon camera's also have Sony sensors. And Canon is behind everything else. So Canon can almost compete to m4/3 on image quality.
D1N0: Too bad it doesn't have a Full frame sensor.
To bad you still don't understand (which you show with the comparison) that a body needs lenses to work. Put on both lenses and you will see the difference. The E-M1 is a great example of the m4/3 system and how much choice m4/3 users have.
marike6, the combination of body and lens gives m4/3 an advantage over APS-C mirrorless. Unfortunately, camerabody's need lenses to work. And for lots of control (like in the E-M1 and GH3) there is need for a lot of buttons and wheels.
yabokkie: E-M1 may be the first Oly 110 format camera that's not just a toy, andmZD12-40/2.8 should be able to compete with DX16-85 and EF-S15-85.
"APS-C SLRs are not as efficient as 35mm sensors and should be abandoned for that reason." According to the Full Frame Gestapo?
No it wouldn't. It would be worse. The whole m4/3 package can be small with lenses designed for m4/3. That is the power of the m4/3 system.
110 is film, this is a digital camera. And also the other m4/3 camera made by Olympus and Panasonic are serious camera's. That it's a joy to use a m4/3 camera doesn't mean it is a toy.
Luckily it has a 4/3 sensor.
Thorgrem: Another price for Olympus. 3 in a row on DPR. Nice to see that the smaller company's also get a change.
Thx Oli4D. :)
Another price for Olympus. 3 in a row on DPR. Nice to see that the smaller company's also get a change.
Andy Spawn: According to the noise comparison sample by dpreview. E-M1 high ISO noise performance is poorer than E-M5 and GX7. Why doesn't dpreview point it out in the article?
EM-1 has better ergonomics, better control, and better continuous AF. However, it looks like an entry level D-SLR camera, very ugly, and its noise level is higher than other competitors. Why do I pay more for a camera with more ugly appearance and poorer noise level?
Yabokkie, don't talk absolutly rubbish. Just because you don't like Olympus camera's is no justification to lie about it.
photohounds: Ah, amnother poster who "thinks" less glass/metal means the lens is "worth" less.They'll buy an f150 truck rather than a Ferrari because more metal for the money is "better".Making excellent small things is harder and costs MORE, not less.
Some people appreciate the price of everything and the value of nothing.
More compact cameras often translate into more/better photo opportunities.
Agree, Nuno, I don't hang around the CaNikon forums either. Too busy enjoying my camera.
These cross brand whiners are a very sad lot and it must be very depressing in CaNikon land for them to enjoy spending so much time here ....
"The thing with m43 is that it is heavily dependent on software correction, without it, the lenses are horrid. e.g. have you seen the 14/2.8 uncorrected?? It looks like a fisheye lens. Another e.g., "
In body software correction is the future. It makes more possibilities in lens designs.
"the "Olympus" 75/1.8.. hugely expensive and previously set as the pinnacle of Oly engineering and thus priced appropriately.. until people found out that its a Sigma lens. If the same lens was branded as a Sigma it would be 1/2 the price."
There is no way of knowing that. Maybe it's a Sigma design, but that is just a rumor. The price is high, but it's a great design and the competition is more expensive.
But thanks for talking crap all the time, it makes this camera review very popular and I can see where this is going. Just like with the E-M5. Camera of the year!
vesa1tahti: Sensor ratings by DxO: Oly E-M5: 71, Nikon D7000: 80, Nikon D800E: 96. Rely on that. Small sensors- weaker IQ. Micro Four Thirds can't be competitive, sensor size MUST be APS-C or FF. Camera size has no matter, normal people can carry DSLR- cameras, others are too small.
Because every camera is a compromise. Even the camera of which you think is the best for the money. And what is the definition of the best? Is there a definition that counts for everybody? No, there isn't. Pre-orders already have proven that this expensive camera has it's place and audience. Deal with it.
fz750: I do wonder what the real market is for M4/3 and even for similar cameras like the Nex range. I live i a pretty touristy (Switzerland) place, so see people shooting lanscapes and buildings and stuff all the time, have been on various holidays or trips this year (europe, switzerland, austria, germany, uk, france and once in Israel) around, but I have **not once** seen a M4/3 (other than my own) or Nex, just canikon D-SLR basically, 98% APS-C but some D6/800 and Canon 6D (ignoring all the mass of compact cameras obviously)
I have a E-PL2, use it most of the time it seems (in preference to a canon Eos, despite missing a viewfinder..) and really like it, so am interested in smaller format camera like the OM-D but wonder who is buying all these M4/3 & Nex cameras?
I doubt my subjective sample is representative of total sales! perhaps they more prevalent in some markets?
Spend this summer a week in Barcelona. 40% of the camera's with interchangeable lenses where MILC's.