Jennyhappy2: The RX100 I, II, and III are outselling the G1X II. Comparing the RX100 III with a built in viewfinder is $799 while to get that feature with the G1X II is $1094.
G1X II -
Amazon Best Sellers Rank: #740 in Camera & Photo (See Top 100 in Camera & Photo)G1X -
Amazon Best Sellers Rank: #1,528 in Camera & Photo (See Top 100 in Camera & Photo)G16 -
Amazon Best Sellers Rank: #285 in Camera & Photo (See Top 100 in Camera & Photo)#62 in Camera & Photo > Point-and-Shoot Digital CamerasRX100 III -
Amazon Best Sellers Rank: #5 in Camera & Photo (See Top 100 in Camera & Photo)#1 in Camera & Photo > Point-and-Shoot Digital CamerasRX100 II -
Amazon Best Sellers Rank: #70 in Camera & Photo (See Top 100 in Camera & Photo)#11 in Camera & Photo > Point-and-Shoot Digital CamerasRX100 I -
Amazon Best Sellers Rank: #198 in Camera & Photo (See Top 100 in Camera & Photo)#48 in Camera & Photo > Point-and-Shoot Digital Cameras
GoPro is the best selling camera on the planet. Obviously there''s no point anyone else even trying to put a lens and sensor together. GoPro must be the best. Except that anyone (like me) who has used a GoPro will tell you it's one of the worst user experiences ever and unless the light is perfect, it is noise city.
NoraK: RX 100 IIIi is available for preorder. I am enjoying my Marktwo but would like something pocketable too. I have the RX III on my Amazon wish list.
GoPro is the best selling camera on the planet. Obviously there''s no point anyone else putting a lens and sensor together. GoPro must be the best. Except that anyone (like me) who has used a GoPro will tell you it's one of the worst user experiences ever and unless the light is perfect, it is noise city.
Mike FL: Numbers are talking from Amazon US Site:
Sony DSC-RX100M III: - #1 in Camera & Photo > Point-and-Shoot Digital Cameras- #5 in Camera & Photo (See Top 100 in Camera & Photo)
Lets see how is the poorly executed Canon G1X-MK2 Doing:- #71 in Camera & Photo > Point-and-Shoot Digital Cameras- #330 in Camera & Photo (See Top 100 in Camera & Photo)
Well executed/done, Sony!
People who are not overwhelmingly too old and weak to carry their cameras around for one thing, including photographers of landscape coffee table books, photojournalists, ad photographers, and fashion photographers.
This site should be a centre for them. It actually once was. It isn't now.
And the fact you think Amazon sales figures matter are a shining example of why.
And anyone who reads my posts sees that I acknowledge many brands have different strengths. Only fanboys like Tonky who think that pointing out limitations in a Sony (like 70 mm zoom) amounts to heresy can see that as trolling. I like Sony DR. I don't like Sony colours. So sue me.
The greater the brand fanatic the worse the photographer. Always.
AngryCorgi: I'm on the edge of my seat here. When I read "company does something that's never been done before" in relation to optics design, I'm intrigued as to whether that move led to success or failure. Can't wait to see some samples from the new optics.
Incidentally, it has long been my experience =- never disproven on these forums - that the greater the brand fanatic, the worse the photographs he turns out.
They do look nice. But gorgeous samples are what camera companies do.
One can always spot things they are avoiding in their samples too.
At this point, both offer viable alternatives. For me, the trade off is between longer telephoto, better RAWS, and more consistent colours in various lighting conditions on the Canon, and better dynamic range and portability on the Sony.
Anyone trying to dismiss other alternatives is a fool and a troll. We keep hearing "game changer" comments about the RX100 series. That is hype. There are options here, and a sensible user can select which suits them rationally.
My choice, because human faces in low light situations are what I need most, will likely be the Canon. Others with different needs, may well legitimately choose otherwise. I don't get on with Sony colours. Others do.
Whichever people choose, their camera can shoot better pictures than they can take.
Ed Gill: Sony has to be spastic! Now they drop the hotshoe just when the lens got fast enough for decent portraits and depth of field control (read high speed flash sync). Hello - hello? They can't even manage a stinking little sync port for flash triggers. Hopefully Panasonic will scale up the LX5/7 to m4/3 next time around, my money stays in my wallet until then. And Canon - he coulda been a contender just those crappy sensors kept him outa the ring. Maybe Canon will give up and just buy Sony sensors and get back in the race.
Sony could make a camera without a lens. and certain "fans" would be saying "Who needs a lens?" They've taken a step closer by cutting the long end of the focal length to 70mm.
Same applies to other brands too, among the brand fanatics.
It is posts like this that make this site and its users objects of total derision among professionals.
photo perzon: Still a tiny sensor compared to m4/3 and aps-c no?
Yes for DR. No for colour and low light shooting.
It is more than a little self-limiting to support a camera by denying the value of flexibility. If this camera HAD a hot shoe, you know you would be extolling it. As people did with the earlier models.
I really do not find wiggling the flash around with my thumb a user-friendly option, particularly as decent bounce flash often involves a reflector or card to bounce the flash off. You can't always rely on a neutral colour ceiling.
white shadow: Now, it may be a good time to get the Mk2 as price will drop to make way for the Mk3.
I think the pop-up EVF is a gimmick. The flash hot shoe is more useful.
Unfortunately, they didn't improve on the clickless front wheel and provide an external battery charger.
The faster lens is welcome but I think the old one is good enough for casual photography.
Sorry to burst your bubble.
He seems to be talking about the RX100 MkII.
mpgxsvcd: "I hate it" says no one.
Take note Canon. You put out the same camera over and over again with a different name and no one can tell the difference between it and the previous model.
Sony keeps telling us that it is just an updated version of the existing model and everyone can instantly tell how much it has actually improved even though the name hasn't.
Canon and Nikon have nothing that can directly compete with this camera. And no the G1 X MII doesn't compete with it. It's lens is not fast enough. It is too big. And it sensor size really isn't that much bigger.
I don't care about pixels. I care about colours. I don't need to pixel peep to notice a grey cast or a face that looks as if it has a gallstone condition.
As I've said before, Sony fans spend a lot more time thinking about Canon than Canon fans seem to spend thinking about Sony. (Except for those of us who have wrestled with Sony.)
Dellis12: Bought the first RX-100 took it all through Italy along with a Canon 5D Mkiii and 50 lbs of lenses. After 2 days of a 14-day shoot the Canon stuff rarely left the hotel. Not a pixel peeper, but at "normal" image sizes, the difference is indistinguishable, even at higher ISOs. This is a breakthrough camera, no matter which version you have. Unless you're shooting sports or need big prints, put any of the RX-100s in your pocket, go shoot and be amazed!
For some. and some purposes, "good enough" is good enough.
There is almost never a circumstance where I don't regret using the less capable camera. I have taken the RX100 MkII and even the original G1X as second units on trips abroad.
I never kid myself I am getting close to the quality the 5D Mk3 gives me.
Not if you ever want decent controllable bounce flash (and I don't mean using your thumb).
Aroart: Once again sony is kicking nikon and canon but.
You should buy some of their stock.
Somebody needs to.
mrtaufik: People keep talking that Sony's colors is the worst, is there ANY evidence to prove it? Almost every camera made by Sony or Canon or Nikon or Olympus provide feature to set-up the colors so they will match with almost any taste of their users. Then WHY people always talking about color of one camera is better than the other?
I haven't heard many people say Sony's colours are exactly the worst. Personally, I'd give that honour to Sigma Foveon.
Different sensors have different colour responses. If you like the colour response of a camera, then it's no issue for you. I personally do not like Sony's colour response, at least at the RX100 MkII level. Perhaps their top of the range cameras are better.
Here, for example, is Imaging Resource on the first RX100:
"The RX100's handling of yellows and yellow-orange colors is one of its real weaknesses: Yellows are rendered closer to a yellow-green, and significantly undersaturated as well. With a mean "delta-C" color error of 6.04 after correction for saturation, overall hue accuracy was a touch below average, but still well within acceptable limits."
Or on the RX100 II:
"In terms of hue, cyans are moderately shifted toward blue, orange towards yellow and yellow towards green, though those shifts are fairly common. Overall, hue accuracy is about average, but the yellow-to-green shift combined with its desaturation can lead to somewhat dingy-looking yellows."
mpgxsvcd: Does anyone hate this camera?
Read Tonkotsu Ramen's post and you know which forum they post in. (Canon)
You will also know which forum they come from. (Sony)
If you can bear with Sony colour issues and RAWS. Or the limited zoom range.
I have used earlier RX100s, but I am not tempted to pay $800 for this one.
Choose the camera that works for you, but it always seems silly to me when people talk about Canon and Nikon not competing, when Sony stock is at junk status.
chillgreg: Good review Jeff.
That said, it's a pity that the beancounters that pay your wage insist on the Silver Award. Clearly the camera doesn't deserve any gong, and especially as this will be used by your affiliate to sell more cameras.
Here amongst enthusiasts 77% is an accurate assessment, although a sad result for Canon fans. At Amazon however, the shiny DPR Silver Award logo is a big thumbs up for the masses.
Poor and transparent scruples DPR management. :/
It is the football team supporter mentality.