vesa1tahti: Make this simple test: Open both Lumia full view and 2,7x zoom images in Photoshop. Make any part of these images visually of the same size. You can't see any difference. So, this 'constant aperture zoom' is a big joke. You can do this kind of zooming by software. Why selling these kind of devices having 'zooming' properties?
No matter how you slice it, crop zoom cannot match optical zoom. It's all come down to the sensor size. 1020's sensor is not a lot bigger than S120, so the result is predictable. A full frame may have a better shot...
So why do we want this feature? It helps users to get better composition. In-camera crop zoom may have small advantage with RAW data, less PP time. And most importantly, crop zoom can be very useful for HD Video mode. Something I like to see being implemented on all new camera.
Ore interested in the reFocus app.
Surprised no reference or mention of the 18-105mm VR. I wonder how is the new 18-140 stack up against the good old 18-105mm.
KariIceland: "Bailey, famous for his photographs of celebrities including The Beatles, Mick Jagger and Jack Nicholson, told The Daily Mail: "the level of detail you can capture using a Nokia Lumia 1020 is nothing short of breathtaking."
Gee.... I wonder the fact Nokia PAID him to use it has got anything to do with it.
However the Nokia 808 DOES have a tad BETTER camera.Now if they released a Nokia 808 with android, watch Nokia become KING again, but NO sadly Nokia was STUPID enough to trust MICROSOFT & in the end Nokia DIED!
Nokia how did you manage to be so STUPID?! I gave you TONS Of advice, MAYBE just MAYBE you would of better LISTENED.
Perhaps if Baiey tried the Pureview 808, he may like it more than the 1020. But 808 doesn't has OIS and it is thicker than the 1020. Everything has a trade off. My dream camera is a full frame on a typical 4.3" screen, thin as S4 but includes a 20x zoom like the Sony WX300. It can take 1080p video at 120fps, and 720p at 480p.
panoviews: I would buy a Nokia with a plain Android OS and the possibility to root the device - but never with a Windows OS.
Android is nice but I would never use it for work. It is the malware king like XP in the desktop world.
It is easy to suggest Nokia made the wrong decision to switch to Windows Phone but who had the crystal ball? Things could go either way. If Meego is the answer, Samsung should had archieved something with it. The fact is a good OS doesn't always translate to market success. Especially when your oppoinent is the mightly Google with deep pocket from advertisement revenue. It will give you everything for free as long as you use their advertisement feed.
siberstorm27: You can get anyone to use your device and say anything about it if you throw enough money at it. From pop stars like Katy Perry to photographers for Vogue. The more desperate you are, the more money you throw. HTC has already sunk billions on Robert Downey Jr., even though their company and device portfolio is imploding. I've seen stunning photoshoots with the iPhone 3GS. It's all about lighting and preparation and professionalism. I am not impressed that Nokia and Microsoft continue to use misleading and/or distasteful marketing ploys when the actual Lumia 1020 phone isn't so hot and the camera quality is overblown compared to other phone cameras.
Hmm... how can you compare Robert Downey to David Bailey in photography field? If you think they are equal, I don't have anything more to say. I don't see anything wrong to ask real photographers to try the 1020. That's better than Samsung asking Usain Bolt to show off how nice is their cameras. Funny thing is people may listen to Bolt's advice more than David Bailey.
AndyHWC: applaud for the dedicated shutter button. Hopefully the phone will have similar IQ as WX300, HX50. But users should not expect better IQ than Lumia 1020, maybe better than Galaxy NX though. 1020 has OIS and 1/1.5" sensor based on proven technology from Pureview 80.
@By HowaboutRAW, sorry, I was referringto the new Galaxy phone with integrated zoom lens, forget the exact model name but it is not the Galaxy NX.
xebomat: They copied The 5c colors from Nokia Lumia, isn't it so?
@ Skeptical Steve, I guess you missed the Nokia phones with changable color faceplates from the 20th century. Then we saw the colorful fat iMac and the emachine iMac wannabe.
Anssi Kumpula: I've heard (not used myself) 41 MP on Lumia make the camera to operate NOT instantly. That's what I've prefer on a mobile device. Would be nice to know how much iPhone 5S benefits with its 8 MP operation QUICKNESS-wise.
I use Consumer Report to help me on car purchase, or see which toaster produces better toasts. But I never rely on it for camera. I still remember how they made conclusion based on >1 year old price and features.
But having said that. It is nice to see 720p high speed video. I am sure the 5S will take good enough picture for most users. In fact, ladies always prefer iphone photo because it makes their skin looks better ;-)
yes, looks like Steve took all the innovation with him. Lumia color scheme, Androidish menu. Funny Google copied iphone interface initially, now it is a victim of counterfeit.
If Steve Jobs still has has eye open, he would jump out and give Tim a ear full.
applaud for the dedicated shutter button. Hopefully the phone will have similar IQ as WX300, HX50. But users should not expect better IQ than Lumia 1020, maybe better than Galaxy NX though. 1020 has OIS and 1/1.5" sensor based on proven technology from Pureview 80.
bluevellet: "oh my baby daughter is making her first smile!"
"Quick! Grab the smartphone!"
"Now where's the Sony lens... there it is!"
"let's attach both... wait for the connection... there!"
"ok now where's my daughter?"
"oh, phone's ringing now"
"ugh, that stupid lens is attached to the phone."
my thinking exactly. We just need the lens, not the whole bloody screen-less camera. Bright idea, wrong implemtation. Nokia 1020 or Samsung Galaxy NX are the kings for now.
Not to mention potential connection issue....
"oh my baby daughter is making her first smile!"
"ok now where's my daughter?"
"Oh, there she is... honey smile"
"ugh, Connection error, please check your NFC settings.
AndyHWC: I was excited when I heard the rumor but now very disappointed :( This is not what a photographer wants. It may sell due to the "Cool" status. But it is worst than carry a RX100 and a phone. There is no size advantage. And now to take a picture. I have to take the Q from the pocket, the phone from another pocket. Put them together, turn on the phone and photo app. Oh man, forget it. The squirrel would be long gone.
Hopefully Sony will extend the conept to "lens only". For now, the cheap ebay lens maybe a more workable and cheaper solution than the Q.
I was excited when I heard the rumor but now very disappointed :( This is not what a photographer wants. It may sell due to the "Cool" status. But it is worst than carry a RX100 and a phone. There is no size advantage. And now to take a picture. I have to take the Q from the pocket, the phone from another pocket. Put them together, turn on the phone and photo app. Oh man, forget it. The squirrel would be long gone.
Artistico: This is clearly aimed at someone who thinks their smartphone's built-in camera isn't good enough, yet they don't want the hassle of bringing along a compact camera as well as their omnipresent phone. I think it has good market potential and I wouldn't mind seeing more camera manufacturers getting in on this idea to give us a better choice of smartphone camera modules.
Now. If only the QX100 (and the RX-100 for that matter) had a more sensible 10 megapixels - it can't resolve any more detail than that anyway, so the extra megapixels only serve to reduce dynamic range and increase noise. I can't speak for the QX10 from experience, but 18 megapixels in a 1/2.3" is way to much.
I am not a fan of megapixel race but 18Mp for 1/2.3" is a popular setup. I see very good results from HX200, ZS27, WX300, HX50.
This is what I am looking for and I actually mentioned about this in my Lumia 1020 post last week. But sadly, the dimension is 2.46 x 2.46 x 2.19″ (this is not much different than carry a thinner RX100 or WX300) and the cost saving is not much. Still a great step in the right direction. Sony can probably reduce the cost by another 30% by piggy back on the camera battery but that will become a proprietary design.
panoviews: I would buy one, but only with the Android OS.
CA is not a deal breaker. The awarding winning Fuji F30 which I still own has serious CA issue. Easy fix by pp.
Quick question, can I stop down a Lumia 1020?
DamianS: As usual, this thread is full of posts from camera snobs, gearheads, weenies and wannnabees who are jealous of Alvarez' technical skills.These photos are fantastic and the 1020 is a great little camera.The posters criticizing these photos are jealous because they know that National Geographic will never ever ask them to take photos.
@Tan68, it could benefit from smaller aperture, perhaps the aperture of 1020 is fixed. But comparing to the one I took with D90. The 1020 only uses 1/20 (5%) of the exposure time and the result still contains lots of details and dynamic range (see the sun streaks and shadow details). The sensor definitely has potential. The noise maybe a step down from Pureview 808 but the IS and more portable size are a nice gain. Hopefully Nokia will add a true optical zoom next. Samsung and Sony are working on optical zoom on camera phones too. I like sony's approach (zoom adapter)as it will prove to be cheaper in the long run.
Jun2: 41MP, just waste of memory card space. Photography aside, the files just don't have good resolution, need to down size to 10MP or smaller.
Most users will use the 5Mp mode. I am not sure the benefit of pixel binning but the result is pretty good. Read the EXIF yourself, and check out DPR review comparing the 1020 to its competitors.
I was at GCNP south rim a few years ago, it is hard to get a clear picture as there are always haze and smoke. Making things worst is I forgot to take my circular polarizer. FWIW, here is a similar shot, taken by a D90.
Looking at the last pic, the exposure and dynamic range are impressive, but don't know why the aperture stuck at f/2.2.
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