Chris62: Mirrorles world is dominated by Sony A7 series, so particulary MFT cameras looks as the toys now.I do not see any reason to buy toys from this system - poor technical properties particulary in comparison to FF from Sony and high prices not only cameras but more important lens also are expensive and remember that F2,8 on MFT offers GO creating possibility as F5,6 on FF.
Panasonic makes great cameras butseriously limited with 4/3 sensor.
When I write enthusiastic comment to this Pansonic than it will not be a trolling - yes?For marketing guys every negative comment is a reason to attack its author.I started with technical comaprison to competition and GX7 properties and you say about market share, someone else called me an idiot - Is there any sense of such discussion?For me not, Thank you.
This way we can have conclusion that smartphones dominated photo marked and all cameras are niche products...I do not want play with marketing and numer of sales, who sad that everybode needs a camera?I prefer compare technical properties.and to find compromise between as good as possible camera technical properties and price.This is equipment for people who know what they need and why.
Market share numbers....did I say about it?Hello,wake up! look to the picture quality, comapre results and prices. IMO Sony A7 line wins.
If you like everything sharp on picture you can use iphone with F32 FE - why not? This is a matter of choice with bigger sensor and fas lens you can blurr the bacground or foredround or object any way you wish but you do not have to it makes the difference.Other technical aspects as resolution dynamic range are also not important limitations?For me such camera calculated with lens I need (kit lens is not enough for me)and considering their prices is not attractive. Is it for you? OK enyoy it.
Mirrorles world is dominated by Sony A7 series, so particulary MFT cameras looks as the toys now.I do not see any reason to buy toys from this system - poor technical properties particulary in comparison to FF from Sony and high prices not only cameras but more important lens also are expensive and remember that F2,8 on MFT offers GO creating possibility as F5,6 on FF.
NX1 is great camera but I am using NX30 (also very good body) because NX1 is not officialy sold in my country. I do not understand why?The only private import is an option.
I hope NX1 will come soon also to my country.I like NX sysyem very much and I never buy any MFT camera because MFT system offers less and is overpriced. I also like Sony A7 line, but for me NX system is good enough and cheaper.
Chris62: No reason to buy for reasonable customers.Expensive camera with fixed lens means in case any camera damage the expensive fixed lens aso goes to the trash.If price is higher the camera lens must be detachable.
There are some flat power zoom lenses 24-70 eqv for mirrorless bothfor MFT or NX or Sony NEX system and there are pancakes primes sometimes great optically so such cameras with much larger sensor area can be placed in pocket too but in general I never go with camera in the pocket because I can forget about it and accidentally the one can be destroyed:)
Ok if somebody likes smalll and expensive compact fixed lens camera can buy it for me no problem - but I will not buy such camera. I experienced damaged compact camera (Canon) , so no more. I do not like lens wasting.
"The result... since I have my RX100 M3 I have taken photos I would definitely have not had if I would not have bought this camera.
So... for me there is a reason to buy... and I still consider myself a reasonable customer too :-)"
I understand - thera some Pros for small pocket camera.I also have one but not so expensive to not be wish when camera some day will fail....
There are so many mirroless cameras not much bigger but much better and usually lens life is much longer so fixed lens means wasted money.
fevan: How does it compare to the Oly em10?
Comapre DX surface area to 4/3 surface area - these are the numbers.
Dissapointed camera - not much better than G5/G6 - next year will be far behind the competition.
No reason to buy for reasonable customers.Expensive camera with fixed lens means in case any camera damage the expensive fixed lens aso goes to the trash.If price is higher the camera lens must be detachable.
No possibility to change lens for such amount of money?No!It means:Camera damaged - fixed lens is also in trash - it is not economic and not ecologic.I won't buy such cameras.
Nikon 1 V* shold have an option for such lens.Why they do not design similar megazoom lens for N1?
If front/back focus is the issue than it is a toy other parameters get completely unimportant..Even the best sensor in the world will not help - pictures will be soft.
RamseyK: What do you guys think about JPEG output smoothing out skin and grass due to noise reduction? I don't have the camera. I'd like to buy it but every time I look at samples, I can't stand the oil painting noise reduction.. Raw looks good though.
It is strange to give such subject opinions.If you claim that NX30 is poor worse - than give the proof.The proof means the same picture in the same conditions the same eksposition ,lens class attached and post processing.I am technical guy and I hate comparisons apples to cakes.I also used DSLRs but I hate bulky cameras.NX30 is for me compromise - very good handling - it can be transported in the pocket when pancake installed and sensor offers 20 MP pictures.Yes I know 10 MP is very often OK but sometimes I need to do a crop and than it is good to have more piksels.
MFT I do not accept it is overpriced (as a system) - remember F2,8 in MFT is only F5,6 in FF terms for DOF.DX is between them.It means kit lens for mFT should be F2,8-F4 - look to the specification MFT kit lens is the same aperture as for Sony A7 FF camera!!!
Roy LaFaver: The A7M2 with IBIS has pretty much saved my hobby as I advance in years. And I have all my old Nikon glass still shining. I'm sure this new A7R replacement is a fabulous camera, but too many pixels for me and too many dollars. Still, I bet a lot of people will love it. I can imagine IBIS is really going to help all those people who have contempt for tripods.
Pixels number is OK - in situation when prime used such sensor allows for digitital zooming it is great.But the price of course is high I agree.The good point is that after 2 years this modern camra will be outfashioned and much cheaper:)
tbull1948: I own the Samsung NX 30 this camera is amazing. only problem I have is that there is no Zoom lens higher than 50-10 telephoto lens and the price is very expensive. I have the 18-300 zoom lens and it is not good for long distance shots, I heard that Samsung is working on a 18-300 lens. hope it happens..
I wish rather 16-300 (as Tamron did for Nicon) and it could be great to have 100-500.NX30 body is DSLR like and convenient enough also for telephoto lens.
ANd one thing more - compare the brightness of images.Some cameras presents ISO 1600 which is similar to ISO 800 other camera - I think it is marketing trick!
Did you analysed this test results? Look again to noise part.I can see more resolution - the noice cancelling destroys resolution - change any camera to Fuji X-T1 and observe smooth no noice but also no detail.You can change ISO jpg/raw noce reduction on/off and compare.I do not see any competition advantage if you can see OK maybe we have different sight and monitors..The price? I depends, I've paid below 400$ (from shop exposition but no remarks.).Sony A6000 costs over 700$
MFT cameras are not competition for DX IMO at all.I prefer DX lenses DOF possibilities are better in lower price.
Looking to DIRECT comparison i.e here:http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/samsung-nx30/10we can see that competition is not better and much more expensive at this moment so I can live wit worse viewfinder but having some lens instead of.
Chris62: This camera is science fiction - never seen in the shop and Canon 7d Mk2 announced neraly in the same time is on the shelve in every shop with cameras.Even from internet "shops" zero, yes zero offersfor NX1 in my country.
I do not understand such way of "selling".
You know Canon, Nikon, Sony Panasonic do not ask such way they offer cameras in the shops and even sell them even in 2 or 3 times higher prices...We can say more they sell not only cameras they sell all equipment needed.Remember VHS? It wasn't the best system but it was popula-r why?