deeohuu: "Rare photos". What an odd phrase. What is rare about them? Think about it. Any definition that sort of works means that the vast majority of photos are "rare".
so far I'm told it is easy to understand, I'm daft, the particular scenario is not common, or there aren't too many.
I don't understand the 'not too many' comment at all. At least now there are uncounted digital copies. If it means that there is only one original negative then all film based photos are rare.
If an unusual scenario makes them rare then the majority of photos are still rare and going rarer all the time. (And I DO have them now, so does the publication of the article end their rarity?)
Perhaps rare is meant to meant to mean they are noteworthy because of the significance of the subject. That is a sloppy use of language and there are many photos that are even rarer based on that definition but we don't see them promoted like this.
Telling me I'm daft or that it's easy to grasp doesn't really help without giving a clear explanation. Please help me in my daftness.
Probably what was really meant was 'unknown' or 'little known'.
"Rare photos". What an odd phrase. What is rare about them? Think about it. Any definition that sort of works means that the vast majority of photos are "rare".
The web site says "through the dial ring or button to control the iris of original Canon EF lens". That alone suggests it may not be as auto-aperture as many have jumped to believe. There is nothing like a whisper of a hint that it supports more functionality. I'm afraid anyone hoping for auto-focus is in for a big letdown. Why dpreview would even bring it up seems odd.
On the other hand, if it has auto aperture and focus I'll be looking at the Nex line again.
CameraLabTester: Orbs were never waiting for us, girlI ran one step aheadAs we followed in a tripod
Between the parted shutters that were pressedIn love's hot fevered blurLike a round white pair of balls
Fujifilm park is melting in the darkAll the sweet white orbs flowing downSomeone left a highllight in the rain
I don't think that they can fix itFor it took so long to admit itAnd I will never have that sales talkAgain... oh Nooo!
:-) This just paid for the money I lost shipping it back.
graynoise: As a very satisfied owner of the X10, I'm surprised by the attention and anger the orb issue has generated. Perhaps I'm too cynical, but it feels like a bit of a beat-up. On one level I appreciate the attention to detail of the DPR test, but on the other hand I think it takes away from so many great things about this camera.
It would be interesting to see a show of hands from owners of the camera.
Pop Quiz, Fuji X10 orbs:
a) Major issue. I want my money back!b) Disappointing, but not a deal breakerc) Minor annoyanced) What's this about orbs?
Disclaimer: I don't shoot a lot of metallic balls with my X10, or sunsets over water, and before reading this test was unaware of the orb issue.
e) Major issue. I returned it before my grace period expired after I saw Fuji's condescending response.
Stungun: I've ordered the Fuji X10 and the Nikon P7100. I have also the G12 . The G12 is better than the P7100 and both are much, much inferior to the X10. I knew about the orbs but after reading so many angry comments and seeing the pictures I decided to give it a try. I managed to produce white orbs and black orbs as well as blacked areas but it's easy to fix and now I know how to avoid those specific situations when they might happen. I have some pictures where the problem appear and the next pictures not, after adjustments. Velvia color tend to produce then more, EXR modes (excellent) may solve it , increasing ISO a little bit too, and it's better after update. This camera has DSLR quality (bokeh and ISO) and the lens alone are worth the price. Excellent camera. I have a magazine with a photo of a 80 ft Ferreti yacht in an advertisement and I found a white orb on a chrome plated rail !! It's my first Fuji, if this was a faulty Canon (had many) would the fuss be the same ?
Of course it would be the same or worse with a Canon. Were you paying attention when the 5D II came out? Which Canon defect was not addressed one way or another? Canon tried to do the right thing for their customers; they didn't rely on apologists telling people about ways to work around or avoid the defects. And blooming in the X10 is a defect, nothing less, no matter if there are obscure and limiting ways to work around it or not. No one should have to second guess the camera whether or not they should use workaround a or workaround b for the scene in front of them and hope for the best.
craigferguson: I bought this camera and I do like it but I don't want a flaw in it (ie) white blob. However night shooting is not where I would be using this. Should I send back to Amazon. I have 6 days to make my decision. Any advice from the people on here that know much much more than me would be appreciated. I am somewhat of a noobie when it comes to photogaraphy. Thanks everybody!Craig
Night shooting is only the easy test. There are a host of other situations that will manifest the problem. If you take pictures in the summer of sunlit water expect a sea of ping pong balls to replace the sparkling water. Do you want to be constantly asking yourself if the scene is X10 rated?
I sent mine back to Amazon.
Alphaloki: You guys should probably take a deep breath and step back from the nuclear attack button. I have used the X10 and can say that my experience with it was very positive. While I have no doubt under certain conditions this camera might render specular highlights unfavorably, it's not suddenly rendered useless. ALL cameras have some weaknesses. That doesn't make them impossibly dysfunctional bricks of metal, glass and silicon. It means they have weaknesses. This camera also has some great strengths and features, and the wailing and gnashing of teeth over this shortcoming is overblown. I think it is a very interesting alternative to the thousands of "me too" cookie cutter point and shoot cameras out there. I've been seriously considering buying one for myself based on my personal experience with it. I think it's a compelling camera. I have the "high end" DSLR space in my bag filled, but have not used another point and shoot as compelling as the little Fuji. To each his own I guess...
That doesn't help Fuji at all - Canon's firmware update ACTUALLY DID fix the 5D II!!!
The D700 bloom is nothing compared to the X10.
"ALL cameras have some weaknesses." seems to be the best argument X10 apologists can offer. It is disingenuous or naive to equate the failure of the X10 sensor to render highlights the way that 100% of cameras in the same price range render them, and most cameras at any price for that matter, with other models' weaknesses. Why does no one ever offer examples of other weaknesses that are comparable but have not resulted in such negative reaction?
I give thanks to the pixel fairies for compelling me to send mine back before my grace period expired.
deeohuu: The number of online reviews that praised the camera without catching this should tell you something about how dependable reviews are. The number of newer reviews that do mention the white shapes and call them "orbs" (orbs are 3 dimensional, these are most certainly not 3 dimensional!) should tell you those reviewers actually depend on forum talk for their insight. Caveat Emptor - even after looking at reviews.
Return Merchandise Authorization number received and box ready to ship. Nuff Said.
The ad hominem attack is not worth a response but I see no insufferable pain or hurt in my note. I'm one of the lucky ones able to return the camera.
You disagree with Caveat Emptor. The alternative is to blindly buy with no regard to quality. If you are suggesting everyone accept whatever camera makers dish out I respectfully disagree. There are no worry free digital cameras; there are also precious few that are marketed with such blatant shortcomings with claims they are within prescribed tolerances. That implies Fujifilm knew about the issue through their testing before releasing the product. The other camera with a similar issue was released in 2003; technology has progressed in those 8 years. It seems to me it is Fujifilm that is focused on their investment in a failed design and hoping to recover it at the expense of those willing to overlook such a constraining limitation.
Sorry, I simply prefer to spend my money on equipment that will deliver the best quality for the price.
The number of online reviews that praised the camera without catching this should tell you something about how dependable reviews are. The number of newer reviews that do mention the white shapes and call them "orbs" (orbs are 3 dimensional, these are most certainly not 3 dimensional!) should tell you those reviewers actually depend on forum talk for their insight. Caveat Emptor - even after looking at reviews.
max metz: After using the x10 camera this is a very minor non issue, Fujifilm has produced a beautiful piece of equipment in the x10, the fact that they are addressing it shows their depth of commitment to the x-series.
The x100 sticky aperture blade problem was fixed in short order, a complete redesign of the outer aperture blade control mechanism and they appear to be replacing the complete lens on affect cameras – again remarkable support.
For anyone used to using a premium dslr, the little x10 is a revelation.
"the camera is working within prescribed tolerances and that the problem is not uncommon in other cameras but says that it plans updated firmware to 'lessen the effects' of the blooming"
Unbelievable! which other cameras!? They will not not resolve it mind you, they will lessen the effects which are already in prescribed tolerances. revelation indeed! My RMA request is in and back to usable premium dslrs for me!