zubs: I don't care for GPS data on a photo. Not a show stopper. Main thing is image quality.
Yeah, well, people like yourself used to say the same thing about EXIF data in digital photos. "I don't need no stinking digital photos that have all the image data embedded in it! My film photos ain't got it, so I don't see the point of it!" LOL.
maxeythecat: Sorry but GPS belongs in your car, not your camera. ' Nuff said.
"Sorry but GPS belongs in your car, not your camera"...so says the guy who doesn't own a smart phone, and who still lives in the year 2005, LOL!
simon62: Nice little camera but what a waist! The camera body is actually made as if it was a prototype. And they are pround of this! I bet lenses are perfect but the fact that they have no optical or in-shutter stabilization tells me one thing: They can't make one! Shutter is reported to vibrate at around 1/3 of a second.(perhaps they too buy from Copal...) Japanese manufacturers are ages ahead
@Rage Joe- when you said "neo-nazi", were you inadvertently describing yourself? Sounds like a Freudian slip, hahaha! Clearly, you've got a lot of hate in you, a lot of "rage", and with a very narrow, militant, and autocratic ideology of what to like or hate, who to like or hate...all the makings of a good neo-nazi! You need to chill out, man. Not everyone and not everything needs to fit into your narrow ideology. Frankly, I think there's a place for a camera like this, and I think it's great that there are people who can appreciate a camera like this. Sounds more like you'd rather round these people up and ship them to a camp somewhere!
Clint009: Some people here prefer 24MP Full Frame Leica Max CMOS Sensor Leica Maestro Image Processor 3.0" LCD with 920,000 pixels Full HD 1080p VideoWell there is a Leica that seem to fit your need. But the price goes with quality.
$6950 (body only) " Leica M Digital Rangefinder Camera Body" http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/893170-USA/Leica_10770_M_Digital_Camera_Black.html
That's mean, this "Leica T" is a cheap price.
No, no, I'm not rich at all for the M model, but the "T" look fine with me!
@Rage Joe- Jeez, dude, chill out. You're going to break a blood vessel. LOL! As for the German + Japanese combination that comes together in this camera, think of it this way: it's the best of both worlds. The good stuff from this place, the good stuff from that place, put together really well, to produce something beautiful that you can be proud of. And as for CNC milling and hand polishing a camera body, ask yourself this: who else is doing it? If you can find another CNC milled, hand-polished camera for less money, feel free to buy it! Haha.
It's kind of crazy that people are ranting and raving about how "expensive" a Leica T is when, in reality it's the least expensive interchangeable lens digital camera Leica has ever offered (by a fair margin) and yet it's still beautifully built just like its much more expensive Leica siblings. Plus, since when is $1850 so "expensive"? Especially for something carved from a solid billet of aluminum and built in Germany? It wasn't really so long ago that a mid-range DSLR was about that price. My first DSLR, a Canon 10D, was $1500, which when adjusted for inflation would be about $1850 today. Did everyone go around saying that the 10D was something for the "ultra rich"? No, everyone thought, "Wow, that's consumer-level affordable", especially considering that the prior model, the Canon D60, was about $2000. Sure, now that they can crank out cameras by the gazillions, prices have come down quite a bit. But this isn't a camera that is being cranked out by the gazillions.
InTheMist: Why all the excitement? It's just a point and shoot.
The economy must be doing better than we thought.
To say that this is a "point-and-shoot" is just plain ignorant. This is obviously a full-fledged camera that allows full control by the photographer of every critical photographic parameter. Just because it doesn't have a certain size, or shape, or character that doesn't fit into your narrow, biased perspective of what you think is a camera should be, you show your dismissive bigotry by calling it a "point-and-shoot"? LOL. The reality is that such a statement only shows the limitations of your small mind, not any limitations of this camera.
Hey Rage Joe, time you take your medication, LOL. There's always a market for a product that is build differently, with a different touch. That's the way the free market works. You can have products cranked out by the gazillions in a Chinese factory for one price segment, and you can have products built one-by-one in Germany for another price segment. There are customers for each category of product. And if there isn't, the product goes away.
Right, so regarding the body design, you probably want all the edges rounded and melted, like so many other cameras out there? So that it looks like a bar of soap? Or maybe you want it cluttered it up with lots of knobs, switches and dials? Go with that hipster "retro" look that's in vogue right now? Maybe you want it gussied up with some tacky faux leather? Or how about some good ol' self-adhesive black rubber to cover up its pure nakedness?
No, thanks. The existing design is clean, simple, elegant, and solid.
RStyga: Samsung NX1000 inspired design, Leica (dis)functionality, and Leica pricing. Well done, well done...
@RStyga - "pride of ownership" from owning a Ricoh GR or a Nikon A? Ehhh, maybe. But that's more like having pride of ownership of a Casio G-Shock, as opposed to a Rolex Submariner. What would you rather get as a college graduation gift, a Casio G-Shock or a Rolex Submariner? LOL, the answer is easy for me: I'll have much greater appreciation for the Rolex.
Dailou: What would be interesting is to get a hold of one of the T lenses and mount it to a Large format camera and measure the target size - I wonder if it fills up the 24X36mm area for a full frame 35mm size. If so it could be a clue that a FF model could be on the horizon. I think it would be cool if Leica introduced a similar model with the EVF built in, a Flip out display for waste level use and the implementation of the auto focus. If the new lens covers the FF area the product would not be so bad of a purchase now, because later you could upgrade the body for the "new ff" and sell or keep the other body as a cropped version and backup. This could be a new direction of Moderization for Leica and some cool features for street photography. Price is not an issue if you get the performance you like whether through the quality of the photo, improved performances or the experience of using it. This is up to the buyer.
I think it's a fair bet that there will eventually be a full frame version of the T. And no, JackM,the full frame version is not the M. The M doesn't do AF and doesn't do zoom lenses. The Leica M has limitations that the T simply doesn't have. No, a full frame version of the T would be a T with a full frame sensor!
dr.noise: CNC machined body is not "by hand". And what they by hand is better be doing wearing gloves.
@Eric Hensel - how denigrating and condescending of you to think that someone who works in a factory putting something together with his own hands can't take pride in his work, and simply sees it as a paycheck! I'm quite sure that the people doing the task of assembling and finishing a Leica T take great pride in their work! It's also foolish of you to think that every factory worker in every other factory in the world is the same, is treated the same, and feels the same about the job they are doing! There's a big difference between working at the Leica factory in Germany, and working on an assembly line in a factory in China for a few dollars a day!
eastwestphoto: camera for the Super Rich! Niche market, Leica and Zeiss always sold in! God knows their are more millionaires world wide today after 2008 financial crisis than before as we watch the middle class collapse in the USA! Gee why didn't they make it out of a solid Gold bar?
I have friends who are middle-class Americans, and they shoot with digital Leica M rangefinders, which are a lot more expensive than the Leica T. The latest digital Leica M body is $6,950. The Leica M-E, a less expensive version of the M, is $5,450. A Leica T body is only $1,850. It's really silly that the Leica T is considered to be something for the "Super Rich" when it's easily the most affordable interchangeable-lens camera Leica has ever offered, by a large margin!
Elix: I own a Leica branded product, namely a Panasonic lens. It is actually very good and reasonably priced, I suspect because it has been made in Japan. I could not care less how's branded as long it works good.
if Leica can make good money selling overpriced products good for them, there is no sin in exploiting rich and stupid people.
I don't think you need to worry about rich people being "exploited" if they buy this Leica. I'm quite sure they'll understandably feel they are getting their money's worth. And rich people are generally smarter than you think.
Do you fly much? Are you familiar with the price differential of various airline seats? A one-way ticket from LA to Narita, Japan on Cathay Pacific, Business Class, is about $8,000, while Economy Class is about $1,300. That's a $6,700 price differential. And yet, there are lots of people who choose to fly Business Class. Or even First Class, which is even more (~$17,700). Do you really think someone who just paid $6,700-$16,400 more for a one-time-use airline seat is going to think that a Leica T is "overpriced"? LOL. Nope.
People who think the Leica T is "overpriced" or even "expensive" should get out more.
pacom: This has Jony Ive written all over it....
Regarding Audi vs Ive, this camera looks more Ive than Audi. Ive's industrial designs have had tremendous influence across many industries.
A quick Google image search of the term "Audi design" shows lots of swoopy, complex designs. A similar search of "Jony Ive design" gives you a lot of minimalist, simplified, distilled-to-its-essence designs. If Audi designed it, then they were definitely channeling Jony Ives. It's practically an homage to Ive's design aesthetic.
mpgxsvcd: I would be more impressed if you said it had a 2 megapixel camera with the same sensor size. Some of us are not impressed when they cram way too many pixels on a tiny sensor.
Are you *really* not impressed, or are you just letting your pre-conceived notions and pre-determined biases make the decision for you? Frankly, I am very impressed with the image quality I'm getting from my latest smartphone, the LG G2. It has a 13mp camera, and it shoots pretty darn good photos.
I think you should really re-evaluate your bias. Check out this:
You really have to be anal and have a side-by-side comparison to even try to figure out which camera shot which photo. But viewing each photo on it's own, you'd never think that one was shot by an iPhone.
pedromeyer: So why not a full frame sensor? couldn't they get an idea from Sony, to resolve this? From all the video of how they polish the aluminum for 45 min, I was left with the sense, that no sooner I would work with such a camera, that it would be filled with all sorts of nicks and tarnishes to the body, given that it looks so overly delicate. In other words, a work horse this is not.
@plevyadophy - Well, guess what? The bare aluminum T ain't gonna brass. Happy? LOL.
And yes, brassing on Leica M's is partially by design. Initially, it was a result of limitations in paint technology with early Leica M's of the last century (especially when it comes to paint on brass, as opposed to any other metal). But it become a popular aesthetic, a proud indicator of how much you've been using your Leica, so Leica maintained that particularly brassing characteristic because their users liked it. However, Leica did offer their M rangefinders in other finishes for those who preferred non-brassing Leicas. Nevertheless, the brassing aesthetic remains popular, and that's why Leica continues with it. It's certainly not because of some bizarre inability for Leica so master the painting process, LOL!!!
BTW, you clearly have some irrational chip on your shoulder. Time to seek some help.
Bimbello: I was at the Leica Store in the Zeil in Frankfurt, Germany today to touch and feel this camera.It is very nice, built quality wise only comparable to the Leica M. Super awesome design, feels like you can use it to hammer a nail into the wall (which you probably could without breaking).
Waiting time is already 2 months! If you order today, you will receive your T in 2 months!
Hey guys, "hammer a nail with it" is just a colorful figure of speech to give you an idea of its build quality. Bimbello doesn't mean you'd actually buy this camera for the purpose of hammering nails. So chill out. Sheesh.
mosc: Does seem like a FF T could be in the future. Could DPR measure the mount against other FF mounts, particularly the similarly backspaced Sony A7 line? Is there enough room for a FF sensor there?
The Leica M exists, but it is a system for manual focus lenses. Leica at some point will either be an historical footnote or have to realize that this autofocus thing is not a passing fad. Knocking out some flange distance to save space while they're at it is a good idea. You can always mount up legacy M lenses with an adapter and manual focus away, no loss there.
I like the interface mostly. I'd want a front control dial as well for a 3-dial interface (Sony NEX7 style), though that just means I want to always have access to an exposure knob. I love getting rid of all of the stupid buttons and 4-way controllers on the back.
There's a market for a $2000 small-body APS-C camera, and probably one for a $4000 FF version of the same thing too, but will we see competitive autofocus lenses?
@ Andy Crowe - Yes, I think they're starting out with APS-C to keep the cost down, allowing for a lower entry point into the Leica T system. Sure, Leica is always going to be expensive. But the T would have been even more expensive with a FF sensor.
shaocaholica: Look at the size of the T mount. It could easily accommodate a FF sensor.
Some day the Leica M system will be retired. After all, it's a very old system that doesn't have AF, doesn't have zoom lenses, doesn't have TTL viewfinder framing, etc. It's very much a system of the last century. It's very limited. I'm not saying that Leica M will be retired any time soon. But it may very well diminish in importance and in popularity as we get deeper and deeper into the 21st century. I think Leica is priming the T system to be the future successor of the M system. It's the Leica system for the 21st century. But to fully do that, they'll certainly need a full frame T. They'll eventually get there. I'm sure it's on their road map.
AlanG: Where do they find people to hand polish these things all day and how much do they pay them? Even if the hand polishing costs $50 per camera that would not justify the body price. Consider that other than the aluminum chassis, the innards are not much different than in a Nex. Maybe it cost them a lot to design the interface.
If the cost of polishing up a T is $50 in Germany, the cost to do it in Asia by machines would probably be $1 per camera (probably even less than $1). So already, you have a 50 fold increase in cost right there, from just one single step in the manufacturing process. Multiply that by all the other steps involved in making the camera, and it quickly adds up. The efficiencies of mass production, particularly in Asia, are huge. But people who buy Leica's really don't *want* a mass-produced product. One appeal of buying a Leica M (or Leica T) is that it's *not* mass-produced on an Asian assembly line by the thousands. That's why some people choose to buy an $10,000 Jaeger-LeCoultre watch made in Switzerland rather than a $100 Timex watch mass-produced in Asia (even though both will tell you the time just fine).