dqnielg: looks like a winner in almost all respects. i love the size, inclusion of more direct controls and an EVF, the improvement over the GX7 for video, and many other aspects of this body.
however, the rated battery life is atrocious. surely, with the improvements in power consumption seen in the mobile computing scene, we can expect some improvements in our enthusiast cameras. oddly shaped lithium polymer batteries that are engineered to maximize capacity while still fitting the constraints of a compact body would help, and i'd be willing to pay more for the extra R&D and production costs.
You'll definitely want to carry a spare battery, no matter which mirrorless camera you use. But I think that's a small price to pay for the compact size of mirrorless.
Catalin Stavaru: Increasing the size of the camera was the stupidest thing Panasonic could do. Just make a detachable EVF and bundle it with the camera for free, not necessary to ruin the camera appeal and the display size for a small EVF.
You're talking about an increase in size of a few millimeters here. The GM5 is only 4.6mm taller than the GM1. The width is unchanged (98.5mm). And the EVF makes the GM5 5.7mm thicker than the GM1 (which comes entirely from the eyepiece extension on the GM5, not from an actual increase in body thickness). So, the increase in size is hardly anything. You're clearly blowing things out of proportion. It's only a tiny increase in size.
uzevla: Seriously, what's this trend with using low-end EVFs just to satisfy some "pro" wannabees ?0.46x magnification and 1.1K dots - who needs that ?
Compact camera like this one needs good LCD. 3.3" would be good, yet they gave us 16:9 LCD which is more like 2.5". Hopefully, they didn't do what Sony is doing as their 921K 16:9 LCD on Nex6 is extremely dim - Samsung OLED w/ 230K looks better than that.
On top of this, flash sync speed stays 1/50.
Who is buying this crap ?
I use an Olympus VF-3 detachable EVF on my Oly PEN. The VF-3 works great, and I love using it. And guess what? It has a resolution of only 920K!
Every camera has its compromises. In the case of the GM5, it obviously makes compromises in EVF size in order to keep the body so small. Some people will appreciate it, some people won't.
Any it's really foolish to say that camera manufacturers are putting EVFs in their cameras "to satisfy some 'pro' wannabies" It's just something that people have been asking for for years now. And wanting to have viewfinder, even a small one on a compact camera, doesn't make you a "pro wannabe".
beavertown: Nikon 1 is definitely finished.
Your logic doesn't quite make sense. If it's okay for Canon and Sony to make fixed-lens camera using a 1" sensor, then why can't Nikon make an interchangeable-lens camera using a 1" sensor? I can certainly see the merits of both. Nikon 1 just needs to find the right price.
pdelux: Only Leica could remove essential features (LCD) and have people applaud their Bravery. Whats next, lets remove the shutter button and just have a monocular.
Take your current leicas and turn off the LCD, and you simulate the same experience of being very annoyed that you cant review your images, just like in the film days.
Technically, an LCD is not "essential", unless you're talking about a camera that has no viewfinder. But the Leica clearly has a viewfinder. Therefore, an LCD is not "essential". It just happens to be a convenience that we've all become accustomed to...just like autofocus, which Leica M's doesn't have either. Yes, there are plenty of people who would argue that autofocus is "essential", just as you are arguing that an LCD is "essential".
I would say that Leica shooters appreciate the discipline and pure, rudimentary nature of shooting with an M. No autofocus, no zoom lenses, no image stabilization...just the basics of photography. So it makes sense that Leica would also offer an M without a rear LCD. It's the ultimate "back to the basics" camera. It's clearly not for everyone, but the same can be said of all of Leica's rangefinders.
joyclick: 7D II is good example of rehash.No swivel,no connectivity,old sensor more fanfare than it deserves
And it only took them 5 years to do it.
schaki: Cool, Leica X but unfortunately that lens is just too large to make the camera pocketable.What is it with the Leica X-E that might make a real diference to the X2 ?Quite likely it is the same 16 mp sensor unless it is a new revision of the same.Same can be said about the lcd screen unless it have better light-sealing. But with that said I've never seen a X2 IRL so I dunno how that Lcd is to use in sunlight.Probably the same lens as well if not Leica made a new tweaked up revision of it.
@schaki - I think you just have to accept that these cameras weren't designed particularly with pocketability in mind. That's what cameras like the RX100 or G7 X are for. This isn't about the merits of carrying a camera in your pocket or outside your pocket. Each has its merits.
Anastigmat: If I am going to spend $1800 on an APS-C camera, I would definitely scrape together another $500 for a full frame. 10 frames per second is nice but I would take better image quality instead because 100% of my photos will benefit, whereas 10 frames per second is only needed once in a great while.
No, you're not going to see a difference in image quality in 100% of your photos. It's only in certain situations where there will be an IQ difference that you can a difference. For example, at extreme high ISOs that you'll see a difference in IQ. At other ISOs, images will look more or less indistinguishable. And at normal viewing (i.e., without high magnification scrutiny on a computer), the image quality will look even less distinguishable. So the belief that "100% of my photos will benefit" is way, way overblown (unless you shoot 100% of your images in low light at high ISO).
Jogger: The 60 concept is cool and will sell out. But, the central ISO dial on the back is stupid.
I think the ISO dial is pretty cool. It's in the same location as the ISO dial on film Leica M's, so it's the perfect nod to traditional. But it's also functional because it's in easy reach of your thumb, while not getting in the way of your palm gripping the camera.
I don't think pocketability has ever been an attraction or selling point for Leica buyers. Leicas are cameras you want to hang on a nice strap, not hide in cargo shorts.
jamesfrmphilly: how does leica stay in business producing such crap?
in a market based on merit how do they get away with charging two or three times the price for inferior technology and ergonomics? their new offerings don't even look good.
i don't get it.
Clearly, you don't understand the luxury goods market. I have female friends who spend $5,000 on a handbag that I don't see being any better than a $150 handbag. But people are paying for brand, style, and prestige. And Leica are selling to people for whom money is no object.
Someone who buys these cameras isn't going to be an anal pixel-peeping technogeek who is pouring over specs sheets and looking for the best bargain. They just want a beautiful, elegant, luxury-brand camera that compliments their $18,000 wrist watch as they fly first-class to Paris. The rich and wealthy have plenty of money to spend. Just walk through a high end mall in Dubai or United Arab Emirates or Hong Kong and you'll see who's buying these products. A lot of wealth in these places.
magneto shot: gives me a very dated feeling looking at it. something like g10 or so. sometimes the form needs to be inspirational. learn from leica.
Canon seems to be asleep at the wheel when it comes to design. They just phone it in.
mpgxsvcd: As long as people keep buying Canon cameras they will keep making them. They aren't going to quit doing what they have been doing just because someone else makes a camera with different specs.
The real question is how long will what their doing last? Is the DSLR market really in decline? If it is then they could be in trouble because they have all but abandoned the mirror-less interchangeable lens camera market.
@JapanCanon - they may be "committed", but the real question is whether they'll ever take the EOS M camera beyond being barely more than a point-and-shoot body that happens to have a large sensor and removable lenses. Compared to other mirrorless bodies, the EOS M's design is very primitive and bare-bones. And it seems like they are intentionally trying to keep it that way, so that EOS M only attracts the most casual users. They could just be "committed" to keeping the EOS M a low level camera.
Pixel Pooper: This is basically a camera with no grip and no display. Why so thick? It doesn't look like it even has a size advantage compared to a small M43 camera.
It's probably thick because the battery sits behind the sensor, rather than off to the side like in most cameras. In fact, all the components that would otherwise be located to the side of the sensor in a normal camera are probably now sitting behind the sensor. Plus, it's "still very much in prototype stage." The finished product will probably be slimmer.
peevee1: The display cannot be tilted down at all, right? So overhead shooting is out? Quite an omission.
Too bad Canon's CameraWindow app doesn't do Live View like Fuji's wifi app does. Olympus's wifi app allows live real time viewing, too. That would be the easiest solution. See a live image on your smartphone while holding the G7X overhead. Heck, you'd even be able to stick the camera on a telescoping stick for a really high view, see what the camera is seeing, and control the camera from your smartphone. Unfortunately, Canon's CameraWindow app is not very good, and doesn't have this feature.
kstano83: Just curious. What will happen when the zoom lens has a manual aperture ring which I set lets say to f1.7 and will zoom in. Will the camera override the aperture to the lowest value available?
The "manual aperture ring" is purely electronic, just like any other dial or ring or button on the camera that would set aperture. It doesn't mechanically set the aperture blades to f/1.7.
photo perzon: Smatphones need a host of backup utilities and intimate connections to a provider. This product will go nowhere.
Right...because no one on planet earth would ever take a photo with their smartphone! Yeah, that'll never catch on! Uh, did you just crawl out of a cave?
Curtox: I was all in on this phone. Then I saw that price. If that's for real, this thing is destined to barely make a dent in terms of sales. That's an incredibly steep asking price. Just wow.
I don't think this is aimed at having mass market appeal. It's a niche product for a narrow segment of the market. Most people are just fine with their iPhones.
I think it'd be a great phone for a journalist. A lot of reporters are being handed iPhones to shoot whatever they are reporting on (especially with many news agencies cutting back on pro photographers). This would be a much better option.
zoranT: Please explain the reasoning behind wanting to buy this, provided that 'pocketability' is not the main criterium (which it isn't, as mentioned in the review). Why wouldn t you go for Fujis or Sony NEXes mirrorless etc. that also are not pocketable? Certainly bigger lenses etc., but remember, pocketability is not the criterium. Yet, much bigger sensors and thus better IQ. I simply fail to understand why someone wouldn t prefer bigger sensors including a comparable price range, when size is not the main sales point.
It's called variety. You don't have to understand why people make the choices they do. That's not any of your business anyway. Just let people have the choices, and they can decide for themselves.
Personally, I think this is a great camera to have in the market! It packs a lot into a very small package.
I have the Fuji X-E1, and it's definitely much larger than this LX100. It's DEFINITELY much large with an equivalent lens attached. Size still matters even if pocketability is not the criterium. That's why people are switching from APS-C DSLRs to non-pocketable APS-C mirrorless; you still can't stick APS-C mirrorless in your pocket! But the camera you have hanging from your strap is a lot more compact, less noticeable, and less intimidating!!!
Plus, this should be a great handstrap camera. Fuji X-E1/E2 or Sony NEX with comparable zooms are a bit large to be comfortable handstrap cameras.