munchaussen: no viewfinder?
If you want a viewfinder, just add one of Oly's accessory viewfinders. I have one. And the nice thing about it is that you can transfer it from one Oly PEN to another as you upgrade the body.
milek: The screen, the control dial and the IS are definite improvements over the previous generation. So good job on that (finally).
Why Olympus still stubbornly refuses to build the flash into the body of an entry-level model is beyond me though. Olympus, get it into your thick skulls: *nobody* wants to carry that pointless external toy flash with them -- I've literally never used it, not a single time, because I never have it with me. They finally fixed it in OM-D E-M10 and you would've thought that they would extend it to the rest of the range, but I guess that was too much to ask. Panasonic managed to squeeze one in the tiny GM1, damn it!
The decision not to bundle the camera with the pancake zoom seems similarly short-sighted. Or is that again going to be a US-only "feature", like with E-M10? If so, could the "genius" responsible for these decisions please finally be fired?!
I totally agree about the small accessory flash. Put it in the body, Oly!
Rob Sims: Given the similar price and size, between the Olympus E-PL7 and the Sony A5100, which would have faster AF and better image quality?
Both should have comparable AF speed. But the A5100 will likely have better IQ thanks to its larger sensor format (APS-C vs m4/3) and higher megapixels (24mp vs 16mp). However, the Olympus has in-body image stabilization, which allows every lens to be stabilized. And m4/3 lenses are generally smaller compared to APS-C lenses. Plus, the E-PL7 has a hotshoe so you can add a more powerful flash, and it'll take an EVF. On the other hand, I don't like having to use Oly's add-on accessory "pop-up" flash. I would much rather have a built-in pop-up flash. Each camera has its pros and cons.
Marty4650: A really interesting "update"...
1. Canon SL1 - 17 months old2. Canon T5i - 17 months old3. Nikon D3300 - 7 months old4. Nikon D5300 - 10 months old5. Pentax K-50 - 14 months old5. Sony SLT-A58 - 18 months old
It's like a trip to a museum to see the dinosaurs.
Now that the market for cameras has slowed so much, and DSLRs have reached a level of maturity, I don't think a product life cycle of 20-24 months is unreasonable.
tlinn: Lot of complaining about this lens in the comments. Price is high, yes, and it is definitely fair to compare it to the competition and expect it to be competitive. But as for the rest, it seems fair to point out that every lens is a compromise in some way. Fuji offers amazing primes where IQ is completely uncompromised at the expense of convenience. This lens is for shooters that place a high priority on convenience and are willing to sacrifice some IQ to get there. Nothing wrong with that—even if my priorities lead me to other choices.
rrcad, I don't think anyone should be calling this a "kit zoom" any more than you can call Canon's $1600 70-300mm f/4-5.6L IS a "kit zoom", or Canon's $2600 28-300mm f/3.5-5.6L IS a "kit zoom." Just because a lens has a particular zoom range and happens to have a variable max aperture doesn't automatically mean it should be a cheap kit zoom. I like that companies like Canon and Fuji are making premium-level superzooms.
jon404: Naive of me, but does the price include a lens?
And, can't tell from the photo, but isn't it too big to fit in a man's workshirt pocket? A la XZ-1, RX100, GR, etc...
No, the price doesn't include the lens. And no it won't fit in your pocket. Leica rangefinders are actually quite chunky and heavy. The are not pocket cameras. A Leica M-- even without a lens attached-- is giant compared to an RX100:http://camerasize.com/compare/#332,389
Manfred Bachmann: Google has all my email adresses, all my phone numbers, they know what i´m searching on google and now they wont my pictures also? ludicrous!
Yeah, but you're doing this all voluntarily. No one is making you give these things to Google. You don't have to use their services if you don't want to. So, maybe you're the one being "ludicrous" for complaining about your own voluntary activity.
iAPX: So I just have to upload some TERABYTES of images to a Google Drive to be able to edit them online: impressive thinking!
Oh I forgot, I should have to let pics.io access my images and stores them on their own servers to process it for me too? Really nice!
Is it a joke?!?
iAPX- time to take your meds.
pdelux: Thats Innovation! More Ram and remove the red dot. *Throw Bags of money* at leica.
The red DOT will come on the Limited Edition Version for an extra $2000 to be released later this year.
Leica rangefinders aren't about "innovation." That's like complaining that an $8,000 Rolex Submariner watch is lacking in "innovation."
Mr Graphic: No EVF! I need this for serious, creative photograpy, especially in direct sun light. Why do people buy cameras that have only an LCD?!I have a Sony RX-10 for serious work, and a wonderful little RX-100 (original) for backup and a handy camera to carry around, but find it too difficult to get full use out of it since it has no EVF. And the newer RX-100 Mk2 is too expensive.
Millions of people all over the world shoot with digital cameras that only have an LCD. And you can count many millions more people who use their smartphone cameras that also only have an LCD. People have been doing it for years, and they still manage to get great pictures. It's not that difficult.
Not every picture is taken in blazing sunlight. (I, frankly, try to avoid shooting in harsh sunlight because it's just not the best light to shoot in anyways.) And even in blazing sunlight, it's not that difficult to shade the screen from direct sunlight.
lacikuss: Sony reminds me of Casio in its epic days, when every other day they came up with a new wrist watch... Casio thought they will dethrone the Swiss watch industry...lol!
For every Nikon D810 or Canon 5d M III sold sony has to sell fifty A5100 to match profits...
Amigos, quality can't be surpassed with quantity!
I don't think that was Casio's intent at all. Casio simply realized that not everyone wanted, or could afford, an expensive Swiss watch! So they made watches for the masses. It's a completely different market! Just like a Sony A5100 is a completely different market from a Nikon D810 or Canon 5D MKIII!
BTW, Casio and other asian watch makers almost killed the Swiss watch industry. What saved the Swiss watch industry was Swatch-- the inexpensive mass market watch! In other words, it was quantity over quality that saved the Swiss watch industry:
disraeli demon: Ha... Last year Panasonic copied the form-factor of the NEX-6 with the GX7, now Sony is copying the form-factor of the GF6... It's like musical chairs played with industrial design.
It's not unusual for various products within a product category converge into a common "form factor". Just look at smartphones, tablets, DSLRs, and now these compact mirrorless bodies. Their forms are all more or less the same, except for small details.
samfan: How can people use these monsters without viewfinders?
Time to join the 21st century, Rip Van Winkle. Did you just wake up from a decades-long sleep?
Diopter: - Adding the build-in flash is another step in departure from the original "5" principles. What's next? A popping-up air conditioner?- Autofocus improvement is always a good thing. But at the firmware level I do not see any attention to the controls of the JPG properties and further expansion of the HDR capacities.(-)
And what exactly was this stated "original '5' principle"? That the flash had to be a tiny proprietary one that you had to plug into a proprietary accessory port? No thanks, I'll take a built-in flash over the proprietary accessory port one any day. I use an Olympus PEN m4/3 body that uses those small proprietary accessory port flashes, and I hate them. When you have the little thing mounted, it's not anymore powerful than a built-in one, but it clutters up the camera. And when you aren't using it, it's still cluttering up the camera because you can't just collapse it into the body like a built-in one. And if you take it off, it ends up being misplaced or left at home (which has happened to be quite often). A built-in flash is soooo much better to have. It's always there if you need it, and it's hidden away when you don't need it!
FuhTeng: I'm sorry, I'm rather missing the point (I already have the camera's big brother in the a6000) - it's only $100 less but doesn't have a mode dial (my in-laws poor little P&S has that!), nor an EVF, or the extra control dial, and it has a weaker flash.
I think the touch-screen's a nice addition, however.
I'm also confused by having a zoom control on the body. I'm sure it will work fine with the kit, but isn't that going to be confusing once someone puts on anything but the kit or the SELP18105? I think those are the only two E-mount PZs.
"I'm also confused by having a zoom control on the body. I'm sure it will work fine with the kit, but isn't that going to be confusing once someone puts on anything but the kit or the SELP18105?"
Or people will just say, "Oh, the zoom control on the body isn't working because I'm not using a power zoom lens right now." Is it really that confusing?
JDThomas: I like the fact that the lenses are starting to get bigger than the cameras. Everyone is always going on about how they want a light compact camera, but then they insist on having these enormous fast lenses. Where's you're weight savings gonna be when your lugging around a 90mm f/2?
@JDThomas - seems like you're the one who's a bit insecure. Why does it matter to you that we have another form factor other than DSLR? Many of us mirrorless shooters use both DSLRs and mirrorless. People who want to make it a "DSLR vs mirrorless" argument are really just being childish. These are just tools. DSLR has its pros and cons. Mirrorless has its pros and cons. I really love being able to use both DSLRs and mirrorless.
samhain: Fuji is deadly serious about lenses. Deadly serious. They are not messing around at all. If I didn't know any better, I'd think Fuji is trying to take over the aps-c market. Within a few years they've built a catalog of aps-c lenses that puts every other brand to shame. Seriously, who offers a comparable selection of small, fast, metal aps-c primes like:-16mm 1.4-23mm 1.4-35mm 1.4-56mm 1.2-90mm f2No one even comes close. Fuji for the win!
I wouldn't say that their "trying to take over the APS-C market", but I would say that they are very serious about making a system that caters to real photographers. They seem to actually listen to what photographers say and want.
It's not as if you're going to always be using the 90 f/2. Besides, you still have to keep in mind that a 90 f/2 mounted on a mirrorless body is still going to be more compact than a 90 f/2 mounted on a DSLR. There's always a place for bodies that are more compact and slimmer than a DSLR. I think of mirrorless bodies as being the modern equivalent of rangefinder bodies of the past: slimmer, low-profile bodies with no mirror slap. The SLR is not the end-all and be-all of camera body form factors. If you really want "enormous" lenses, just look to DSLR lenses!
BTW, these lenses are not "enormous". In fact, they are typically more compact than their DSLR lens counterparts. They only appear "enormous" in photos. But in real life, they are actually more compact than you might have initially thought. If you want "enormous" lenses, just look to DSLR lenses!
AngryCorgi: Leica seems to have stumbled toward the path labeled "Hassleblad".
@AngryCorgi - I don't see how the M system is better or more substantive. I think the T system has a lot more substance to it. Yes, the M system has more history, but that's all. (Oh, and a lot more expensive, too.) I think the T's body design is a lot more interesting than the M's. It's more refined, more modern, and manages to appear more minimalist while still offering a full set of controls, hotshoe, EVF port, wifi, internal storage, touchscreen, grip, and even a pop-up flash. In short, there's a lot more design "substance" in the T than there is in the M. Even the way the camera strap attaches to the camera (no protruding strap lugs) is unique and elegant. There are a lot of design touches on the T that people are ignoring simply because they don't like the price, or whatever. Irrespective of price, the Leica T's body is a lot nicer (and more substantive) than the Leica M's. I'd much rather have a T body than an M body. I'd still be able to use M lenses on the T body.
T3: You don't buy a Rolex because it tells time better than other watches. The same goes for the Leica T. It's not pixel peepers and price comparison shoppers who are going to be looking at the Leica T. This is for the people who regularly fly business or first class, not for the rest of the people sitting in coach or economy class.
@ noflashplease - "To give credit to Rolex, they are selling a mechanical watch, entirely of their own design, not utilizing the internals of a mass market quartz watch."
Well, also keep in mind that a Rolex Submariner watch is also $8,000. A Leica T is only $1,850. So by using an established sensor supplier, they were able to reach a lower target price. More importantly, sensor production isn't Leica's forte. They are a body and lens manufacturer. So I think it's perfectly reasonable and prudent that they left sensor production to the experts on sensor production, while they stuck to their strength...which is body and lens manufacturing.
Keep in mind that in the film days, camera manufacturers weren't making their own film. They let film manufacturers supply the film. In the digital age, since the sensor is the "film", I don't think it's unreasonable for many camera makers to let sensor manufacturers supply the sensor. It's naive to expect Leica to become a sensor manufacturer.