I love that "Durabase" bottom. Sometimes you have to set your bag down on wet surfaces. Nice to have a stable, waterproof, hard base on the bottom of a bag. It's a great idea. I also like the top-loading camera compartment. Saves you from having to open the big main compartment to get your camera. I would even consider locking the main compartment, especially when traveling and you don't want anyone to get into your bag while you're wearing it. That way, you'd keep your stuff safer, while still having quick access to your camera through the top. Or if you have your camera out, you'd be able to access one lens (like a telephoto zoom) through the top compartment, while everything else is locked away behind the main compartment door.
And as far as I'm concerned, every bag needs bright high-contrast interior fabric color. It's easier to see what's in the bag, including any unwanted dirt or debris.
Now if only they could make a half- or three-quarter size version for mirrorless users.
Thermidor: I opted for a Sony A6000 over the GX7 because I didn't like the dials on the latter, but otherwise found it to be a very fine camera. I have very high hopes that this will be just as good.
@Trk - just like any feature, there are times when the electronic shutter feature is good to use, and times when it's not so good to use. I don't expect every feature to be useable in every situation imaginable.
I just got an A6000. I, too, was deciding between an A6000 and a GX7. I'm very happy with the A6000, but the one thing that made the GX7 very desirable to me is the GX7's silent shooting mode. I wish the A6000 had that. I like my cameras as quiet as possible. While the A6000 isn't loud, it's not silent either. I ordered a silicone case for it off of ebay with the hopes that the silicone case will make the A6000 a little bit quieter.
justmeMN: Mirrorless enthusiasts claim that the former is less expensive to manufacture than DSLRs, but that claim doesn't seem to be reflected in the price of most mirrorless cameras.
Let's not forget that with the GX8 we're talking about a camera that has 4K video, a very large viewfinder that articulates, an articulating touchscreen rear LCD, 8fps shooting speed, 20 frame RAW buffer, magnesium alloy body, weather sealing, and IBIS! *AND* you're talking about a camera that sells in much lower volumes than DSLRs. Ask yourself what a DSLR would cost with all these factors applied to it! Now ask yourself what the price of mirrorless cameras would be if they were manufactured and sold in the exact same volumes as DSLRs!
The main reason why some DSLRs are able to be sold so cheaply is due to volume. But what's going to happen if the volume of DSLR sales continues to drop? And conversely, what's going to happen to the price of mirrorless if the volume of mirrorless sales continues to rise?
GRUBERND: sigh. there was a slight chance they might have built a better 16mp sensor, but no we need more megapixels. i dearly hate all those WE NEED MORE MEGAPIXELS zombies. yes, feel offended if you are one and go buy a medium format back. if you cant afford it you dont need the mega-megapixels.
for hundred years people were happy with the 6mp-equivalent from 135 film and suddenly not even double wont do. grrrrml.
the rest of the camera looks really nice, though. especially the Canon G-style exposure-comp/mode dial is a nice retro-touch.
I'm not so sure about that exposure comp dial. I like to be able to adjust exposure comp while looking through the viewfinder, especially on mirrorless cameras because you can actually see the exposure change in the viewfinder image as you turn the dial. I prefer the exposure comp dials to be farther to the right edge of the camera, like on Fuji bodies. The placement of the EC dial on the GX8 and Canon G bodies makes the EC dial harder to reach and use while looking through the viewfinder.
Mike FL: No wonder SONY is increasing the a6000 price and not releasing a7000.
The A6000 is increasing in price? It's still the same price on Amazon that it's been for the last several months: $550. And who says they are "not releasing A7000"?
Howard: Honest question: What is the advantage of this camera over the Sony A6000?
The A6000 doesn't take excellent m4/3 glass.
photo perzon: DSLR size, small sensor
@Androole - it's not meant to be a "trick question". It's merely pointing out that the GX8 packs a lot into a small and light package.
What DSLR of this size has 4k video, articulating LCD, tilting viewfinder, 8fps, 20 shot RAW buffer, large 0.77x magnification 100% viewfinder, magnesium alloy body, weather sealing, and IBIS? And yet it still manages to be 20% lighter than a Rebel SL1!
justmeMN: The Panasonic GX8 body is roughly the same size as the Canon SL1 /100D, a big size for a small sensor. (The former is actually wider.)
I suggest you look at the comparison from the top. And with lenses mounted. And take into consideration the GX8 has IBIS, an articulating LCD, a tilting viewfinder, 4K video, a large 100% coverage viewfinder, 8 fps shooting speed, 20 frame RAW buffer, WiFi and NFC, a magnesium alloy body, plus weather sealing--- and still manages to be 20% lighter than the bare-bones, low-spec, all-plastic SL1!
njlarsen: I question the choice of lenses for this test. Short lenses are always going to be easier to track than long ones. When you get the actual samples for a real review, please make appropriate tests using a long lens (400 mm at least for a full frame). Don't do the easy part of telling us how it works with a standard lens -- all systems are perfect with that type of test.
"Don't do the easy part of telling us how it works with a standard lens -- all systems are perfect with that type of test."
Really? All systems are perfect with that type of test? LOL.
Besides, I'd rather have tests done with "standard" lenses that are more likely to be used in day-to-day shooting, rather than a 400mm lens that far fewer users would be likely to use. Seeing these results with these lenses gives us more of a real-world use-case scenario. I mean, how many people are really going to be doing eye-detection portraits or face-detection tracking with a 400mm lens?!?
RedFox88: So, Sony has created nose-detection focus mode. Brilliant!
Yeah, that happens with a Canon EF-mount Sigma lens at very shallow DOF using a very small focus zone, just like it would happen with a lot of other cameras that aren't able to differentiate between a nose and an eye. But with an FE-mount lens, eye detection becomes enabled, thus allowing the focus system to select the eye instead of the nearest object (in this case, the nose).
naththo: Manual focus on portrait is much better off, using peaking focus on eyes does better job with bullseye on it. AF is pretty good but not perfect enough.
MF is great if you or your subject aren't moving during the portrait shoot. Not so great if you or your subject are moving.
Jonathan F/2: Why are all the shots focused on the nose? Seems a bit gimmicky to me.
Eye tracking only works with native E-mount lenses, not adapted lenses.
Facial recognition AF and eye AF show the power of on-sensor AF. The sensor is simply smatter and can resolve more information from a scene than an off-sensor phase-detection unit like those used in DSLRs. And as we move forward, on-sensor AF will only get smarter.
vscd: >"I hope that our native lenses are better![than Canon]"
Haha, big laugh. First, you don't have own lenses... you hava a Zeiss coop. And Second, they fail big time (except of the 50 1.8).
@vscd - Zeiss also makes Loxia and Batis lenses exclusively for Sony FE-mount. Also, the FE-mount will also accept Leica M-mount rangefinder lenses. So while Canon EF-mount might have Zeiss Otus, Sony EF-mount has Loxia, Batis, and Leica M lenses on its side.
Lassoni: "Our lenses have to be better than [those from other manufacturers]. That is my mission."
So far the mission has been a failure. Releasing mediocre optics and charging a premium price for it, adding CZ "name" on a sony lens to add air to the prices.
As far as I can tell, Sony is building up a pretty good collection of really good glass. To say that it's "been a failure" simply shows your biased agenda. But for Sony mirrorless users, the point may be moot because they have access not only to Sony glass, but a lot of other glass, too, such as Leica M-mount glass, Canon EF glass, Zeiss Loxia and Batis glass, etc. So if your "mission" is to have the best access to the widest selection of lenses, across various manufacturers and various mounts, you could do a lot worse than going with a Sony FE-mount mirrorless body.
vscd: Let's see what happens after Canon comes up with a new sensor with equal or better dynamic range than Sony. You will see there is nothing left for Sony to be proud of ;)
[...]Sony's ergonomics vary all over the map. They usually throw way too much garbage in our faces, designing their cameras for people who talk about photography more than actually do it.[...] Ken Rockwell, yesterday ;)
@vscd- based on the defensiveness and negativity of your original posting and your follow-up posts, it sounds like it's you who is having trouble living "in friendly coexistence with mirrorless ones", hahaha.
"Is DR the new Hype nowadays as megapixels were 10 years back?"-- Actually, DR is what many digital photographers have been yearning for from the very beginning. But the manufacturers could only give us more megapixels. DR has kind of been the Holy Grail of digital photography, something that has always been digital's Achilles Heel, especially compared to the enormous DR of negative film.
As for the popularity of Nikon and Canon amongst pros, that is primarily a historical circumstance dating back to the film SLR days. When digital SLRs came along, pros had little reason to stop using Nikon or Canon, so they just kept doing it. The form factor hadn't changed, only the film had changed to a digital sensor. But it's still just an SLR.
Now we are entering a different era of photography. I'll call it the "post-SLR" era. Now we finally have an alternative to the SLR. 5 or 10 years from now, things aren't going to be as they are now. We're going to see a lot more mirrorless, for sure.
@vscd - "just 2 stops" of DR is a pretty big deal, I think. I wish all cameras had an extra 2 stops of DR! As for your comment that "the system counts", yes it does. But I would love to see the camera world move towards more cross-compatibility so that we're not isolated and locked down to a particular system. That's one thing that I think is so exciting about what Sony is doing with their mirrorless system. With an adapter, you can use Canon DSLR lenses as effectively as on a Canon DSLR body. I'd love to see an adapter come out that does the same for Nikon DSLR lenses. That means that Sony bodies could be more like "universal" camera bodies, giving you access to Canon, Nikon, Sony, Leica, etc system lenses! It really knocks down the walls between systems. If there's a particular lens in the Canon system that you like, you can use it with your Sony mirrorless body! If there's a particular lens you like in the Leica M system, you can use that lens too! Ultimate "system" flexibility!