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cfh25: Let's dream of a future headline:
"Google launches Adobe Collection for $149"
If Adobe made practically all their income from advertising, they too could offer their complete collection for $149.
Maybe that's what they should do...Photoshop for free but have popup ads while you are editing photos. :-)
Baracus: "Basically we have no plans to make Lightroom subscription-only at any point in the future."
Basically I have no plans to have brunch this Sunday. It doesn't mean I won't end up having brunch this Sunday.
If he wants to make a point, there are better ways to do it than by bringing his partisan political views into an unrelated subject. And his "likes" are only from those of the same political persuasion.
Maybe someone can also bring religion into the topic by comparing Adobe to the taliban and they will have a "point".
Baracus: "Basically we have no plans to make Lightroom subscription-only at any point in the future."
Basically I have no plans to have brunch this Sunday. It doesn't mean I won't end up having brunch this Sunday.
You mean the one on top of his head?
OBI656: Running commercial photo studio comes to $20 000.00/year + plus + expenses in total of approximately $40-50 000.00 a year. Not mentioning that I own it means $750 000.00 investment in property another $200 000.00 in equipment. I am truly watching a literally every dollar to be competitive. I must be efficient and I must know that there is return on my dollar. The Photoshop CC concept simply does not provide this basic business incentive. It is a money-drainage. If I will do upgrade three times in next 10 years that will be apron 1 000.00 - 1 500.00 Doll. If I will go with subscription it will be 6 000.00.
Someone may say o’well 4 500.00 Doll big deal. It is a big deal. Big Time !
I didn't say that was a lot to spend, what I said was 6K on Adobe software that you use all the time was a small percentage of the total. You want to complain, why not complain about ridiculous pricing on your Bron system. Oh but it's made in Germany...it has to be expensive!
Toermalijn: Couldn't we team up and have a law act against Adobe and Microsoft for holding us hostage all our lifes to come?
Curious to know how governments think about this new model.
I bet governments don't want to be hostage and pay for life.
Most things in their cloud license seem to be very illegal in the first place.
This isn't North Korea where the government rules everything. If you are unhappy, use your pocketbook to affect change.
OBI656: Running commercial photo studio comes to $20 000.00/year + plus + expenses in total of approximately $40-50 000.00 a year. Not mentioning that I own it means $750 000.00 investment in property another $200 000.00 in equipment. I am truly watching a literally every dollar to be competitive. I must be efficient and I must know that there is return on my dollar. The Photoshop CC concept simply does not provide this basic business incentive. It is a money-drainage. If I will do upgrade three times in next 10 years that will be apron 1 000.00 - 1 500.00 Doll. If I will go with subscription it will be 6 000.00.
Someone may say o’well 4 500.00 Doll big deal. It is a big deal. Big Time !
Not worth arguing about but depending where you live it can be taxed differently. CCA vs. straight deduction.
OBI656: Running commercial photo studio comes to $20 000.00/year + plus + expenses in total of approximately $40-50 000.00 a year. Not mentioning that I own it means $750 000.00 investment in property another $200 000.00 in equipment. I am truly watching a literally every dollar to be competitive. I must be efficient and I must know that there is return on my dollar. The Photoshop CC concept simply does not provide this basic business incentive. It is a money-drainage. If I will do upgrade three times in next 10 years that will be apron 1 000.00 - 1 500.00 Doll. If I will go with subscription it will be 6 000.00.
Someone may say o’well 4 500.00 Doll big deal. It is a big deal. Big Time !
There are a lot of financial reasons a professional might rent rather than buy and remember this is a tax deductible expense. But all things being equal, of course you take the cheapest route when you can.
OBI656: Running commercial photo studio comes to $20 000.00/year + plus + expenses in total of approximately $40-50 000.00 a year. Not mentioning that I own it means $750 000.00 investment in property another $200 000.00 in equipment. I am truly watching a literally every dollar to be competitive. I must be efficient and I must know that there is return on my dollar. The Photoshop CC concept simply does not provide this basic business incentive. It is a money-drainage. If I will do upgrade three times in next 10 years that will be apron 1 000.00 - 1 500.00 Doll. If I will go with subscription it will be 6 000.00.
Someone may say o’well 4 500.00 Doll big deal. It is a big deal. Big Time !
So you are spending $200k on equipment. Is $6k or 1/33 the amount an unreasonable cost for software you probably use as often as your cameras and lenses? I can understand the complaints of hobbyists but not professionals.
Stefan Stuart Fletcher: We're getting a Hobson's choice: all or nothing, in other words, no choice at all. It's just like mobile phone operators who keep their compulsory multi-year plans deliberately incomprehensible to obscure comparisons and make sure that every subscriber pays the full price for a service never used to the full.
The one difference is that there is some competition, so you can "easily" change mobile service providers (although that required laws to prevent cartel / anti-trust practice). This also forces operators to innovate to retain clients. There is no viable alternative to Adobe at present. It doesn't need to innovate. Everyone loses.
I've found that every version has had at least one significant new feature that made it worth the upgrade...for me...everyone has different needs.
dannyboy5400: I have already switched back to FCX instead of upgrading Premiere Pro. I am going to buy Aperture today. I am looking for a Photoshop alternative currently. I have been an Adobe user since Photoshop 2.0. Kiss my left toe Adobe because I ain't renting.
Hmmm, wonder what the alternative for pro video editing is for windows?
benmlee: And to think the innovators that ushered in the computer age pretty much gave away their software and invention to help others innovate and change the world.
The professor who invented Visicalc (Excel) gave it away to help the budding computer industry grow. We need the spirit of innovation like that put America in the forefront not this profit squeezing.
CEO is there to squeeze some profit even if it tanks the company down the road. He is only interested in his bonus knowing fully well he will be gone in five years leaving the mess to the next guy.
Sorry I don't like that philosophy. That is the same kind of thinking that wants to do away with copyright and use our photos for free. Software companies should be allowed to make money just the same as hardware companies like camera makers do. That doesn't mean I agree with Adobe's position.
I would have preferred to see only two options - price vs subscription. I don't mind the subscription option at all. I have many versions of Photoshop which I bought that are now sitting in CD cases and completely useless.
It is something like buying vs. leasing a car except with the car you have the option of selling the old copy. You don't with Photoshop so why buy. Except in this case Adobe is messing it up by charging more to rent.
habs 1982: I will still shoot jpeg with a mix of photoscape and gimp theses are free will put my money toward better glass. I have been saving for cs6 i just can see paying monthly when i only want to get 6-7 good paying jobs year i do it for fun.
Still I do think it is appropriate to pay for quality software just like we pay for cameras and lenses. I suppose one can donate to Gimp.
Fave Photog: We'll see how this all plays out. I think Adobe may re-think their pricing structure, at least for those wanting ONLY Photoshop, such as me. Their current subscription of $20/month (yearly subscription) for Photoshop only is a bit high.
Get it down below $15...more like $10...and I'll sign up to have access to the latest and greatest version.
I agree and I think this is where people should be focussing their disapproval.
Cailean Gallimore: I've never used any Adobe products, because I've never been willing to pay their ridiculously high prices. There are other products out there that work well - some free, some for a reasonable price.
Their products are very good and generally worth the money. We tend to have a different feeling about software than we do about solid objects like cameras even though there is just as much manpower going into development.
photo_rb: Maybe dpreview should do a poll to try and separate the rage. Is it the subscription model or is it the pricing. For me it is the pricing because I think Adobe should be able to charge less rather than more by streamlining their services.
Having said that, just to take a devil's advocate approach, $20 is about what I spent on a 36 exp. roll of Velvia after processing in the old days.
I'm sure they will also have a telephone option.
Maybe dpreview should do a poll to try and separate the rage. Is it the subscription model or is it the pricing. For me it is the pricing because I think Adobe should be able to charge less rather than more by streamlining their services.
Having said that, just to take a devil's advocate approach, $20 is about what I spent on a 36 exp. roll of Velvia after processing in the old days.
penn_boysen: If you are a supporter of this, forced or not and justify the cost as not that much, stop looking solely in your own wallet and think about those who will be impacted the most.
And, one group to add to that list are the young students in middle and high school. Educational pricing was about 50% of msrp, and most programs would update the software when necessary, usually about a 3 year cycle. Now it will cost 29.00 per month for each student. We currently offer 4 specific classes that utilize PS, ID, and AI - Photography - Design - Art - Publishing. It looks like they have a special site lease, but unless it matches our current costs, it is likely that we will have to look elsewhere. Not to mention the logistical headache of having each student create an account, and the hassle of having 4 different installs on one desktop. (unless Adobe has thought of this, nightmare ahead) There will be many secondary school programs falling off the map.
I imagine you have put together a price comparison between the purchased software and this new system for your school. What is the difference?
The worst thing for most users is not the subscription model but that it is essentially a price increase..this happening when most other software is coming down in price.
Question - Does the multiple software subscription also include Lightroom?