Formosa Wind

Formosa Wind

Joined on Jul 23, 2012

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micdair: What makes this camera so expensive? It is basically stripped down dslr, I like the idea of asp-c sensored stripped down body. Unlike some others I believe there is a good market for these here (look at the number of posts!) - people wanting to have great IQ while being able to adjust their gear to the situation - minimum size and weight (yet with great IQ) or more versatile with some bulk added...., people who don't want to look like "pros" when they don't feel like them yet, people that want attract less attention... don't know, but there definitely seems to be a demand.

But, I can't see the point in prices like this one. Indeed a good small kit lenses makes some price increase but what about the body alone? There is nothing much new here - just dslr components. It should actually be much cheaper imho as there is no mirror PD, no EF, no advanced features. Maybe they reflect the resources spent in development of new lens system but are these really that high?

What makes this camera so expensive?

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Direct link | Posted on Jul 24, 2012 at 19:08 UTC
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Donnie G: In today's marketplace it's shirt pocket size smartphones with built in cameras that rule the point & shoot marketplace instead of shirt pocket size all in one P&S cameras. Doesn't it make sense to design cameras that smartphone users might want to buy, instead of hoping that pocket P&S cameras will someday come back in style?

As the 1st. of a new breed of EOS non-DSLR bodies. (Large sensor + EF lens compatibility = EOS), Canon's EOS M could be a big hit among its intended audience and then some. Call it an ILC if you want ( I doubt that Canon will mind), but this new EOS is aimed at the typical smartphone camera user who is looking for true DSLR image quality in what appears to be a coat pocket friendly (with 22mm lens) form factor, to make prints, photo-book albums, and more, but who doesn't want to learn how to use a DSLR (hence the smartphone-like touchscreen controls and lack of an EVF/OVF). Want an OVF too? Buy a G1 X.

Again, without a flip-able screen for self-shoot, without a bulit-in flash, without a zoom lens in kit package, and with the price tag, it's hard to attract the "smartphone camera users" you called.

For $599 you can get a camera with everything mentioned from Sony. Why spend $799 + $149 to buy a Canon?

Direct link | Posted on Jul 24, 2012 at 19:05 UTC
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ennemkay: this thing is going to fly off the shelves. it's targeted at the masses so don't criticize it for not being a nex-7 competitor. most people commenting are simply upset that it wasn't targeted at their demographic.

Nex7? Lmao it can't even compare to nex f3

Direct link | Posted on Jul 24, 2012 at 00:38 UTC
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slncezgsi: I am glad that Canon started with a relatively large sensor - even if their first model is not what I would like to have myself, I am pretty sure than within a year they will came up also with more 'pro' model. Interesting times indeed.

entry kit for almost a grand. How much would you expect for the 'pro' model? Same level as 5D3?

Direct link | Posted on Jul 23, 2012 at 21:40 UTC
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Formosa Wind: I'm really excited about the news.

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Now I can finally give up Canon and go for a NEX.

ARE YOU KIDDING ME CANON?!

To target to a "new market" (ok, if you really think it's a new market). This one lack of lens support, lack of some popular functions like internal flash, flip screen.

For existing Canon users like me, it lack of some advanced functions. Everything is in menus. And, even after spend $199, your valuable L lenses with ultrasonic motor.... focus like merde (can't use swear words)...

Oh well... I can take those, as long as I can have a smaller, cheaper back-up/everyday body that I can bring around and keep using my EF lens. For a body with 22mm lens, a barely-usable external flash, and an adapter ring, it's only...hmm... $1,147.00 US dollar?! Did I say the world "cheaper" earlier?

Again this is just totally a joke. I can't believe after so many years of waiting this is Canon's answer to all the users.

How about the price tag of €849/£769 with 18-55mm lens?

And don't over-estimate the need of a prime lens. If this one is really trying to target to entry level users, what they want are zooms.

If I only want a larger sensor camera with a prime, I'd rather get RX100. It has f/1.8 on widest.

Direct link | Posted on Jul 23, 2012 at 21:36 UTC
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KevinD65: Every logical option for ILC has now been explored. There are only so many things camera makers can do.

You can stick with an APS-C sensor and keep the same lens mount for legacy lenses. That's what Pentax did with K01.

You can go with a smaller sensor and new lenses, and maintain legacy lens support with adapters, but then you've got a different crop factor, so the legacy lenses won't be optimized for the camera. That's what Oly, Pany, and Nikon are doing. Advantage: Smaller lenses.

You can stick with the APS-C sensor, a new lens mount with a shorter flange distance, and adapters for legacy lenses. This is what Sony, Samsung, and now Canon are doing. Advantage: Old lenses keep the same crop factor and therefore still work well.

Canon and Sony are the only options that gives you legacy bodies, legacy lenses, new body, new lenses with same crop factor, and adapter, all from the same manufacturer. Makes sense to me. Wish Nikon would do it.

"Sony" may not have a lot of legacy lenses, but Minolta does...

Direct link | Posted on Jul 23, 2012 at 21:32 UTC
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StephenSPhotog: Think what you would like about this camera. But I have a simple prediction. Canon will sell 14 katrillion of them.

Sony thought the same when they released PS3. Nikon thought the same when they released V1.

Canon abandoned FD mount and got big success with their EF mount. After so many years now they're hugging what they already have and afraid to go with the new technology *sigh*

Direct link | Posted on Jul 23, 2012 at 21:31 UTC
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Sdaniella: As intended, like the basic m43 systems, it's aimed at basic P&S who want interchangeable lenses on a small body, with minimal controls or least optimal ergonomics that comes with compactness.

Of course, compactness is always nullified by attaching any lens, except the odd pancake lens.

It has the most basic of controls, much akin to the lower basic powershot digicams and Rebel dSLRs; so it is clearly an entry model. m43 and Nex systems are just the same at the basic level.

I would get all hissy-fit about it, as Canon is expected to follow up with a prosumer model.

This basic model EOS-M clearly slots below even the PowerShot G1X; and any EOS-MX/Pro will likely be the prosumer model that slots above the PowerShot G1X.

What I am more keen on is a PowerShot Pro1X, if it is ever offered with a 24mm FOV (35mm equivalent), since it is missing on the G1X.

If Canon offers an EF-M 15mm for the EOS-M system (24mm FOV equiv), that will attract my attention only on an EOS-MX/Pro instead.

How'bout the €849/£769 with 18-55mm lens then?

Direct link | Posted on Jul 23, 2012 at 21:21 UTC
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Sdaniella: As intended, like the basic m43 systems, it's aimed at basic P&S who want interchangeable lenses on a small body, with minimal controls or least optimal ergonomics that comes with compactness.

Of course, compactness is always nullified by attaching any lens, except the odd pancake lens.

It has the most basic of controls, much akin to the lower basic powershot digicams and Rebel dSLRs; so it is clearly an entry model. m43 and Nex systems are just the same at the basic level.

I would get all hissy-fit about it, as Canon is expected to follow up with a prosumer model.

This basic model EOS-M clearly slots below even the PowerShot G1X; and any EOS-MX/Pro will likely be the prosumer model that slots above the PowerShot G1X.

What I am more keen on is a PowerShot Pro1X, if it is ever offered with a 24mm FOV (35mm equivalent), since it is missing on the G1X.

If Canon offers an EF-M 15mm for the EOS-M system (24mm FOV equiv), that will attract my attention only on an EOS-MX/Pro instead.

I really can't believe they marketed an entry model at this price range. For a body with 22mm fixed lens it asks for $799, which is $200 more than Nex F3 kit, an entry level camera from another company. Not to mention you need to spend $149 more for an external flash. Not to mention the flip-able screen on F3.

Direct link | Posted on Jul 23, 2012 at 20:26 UTC

I'm really excited about the news.

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Now I can finally give up Canon and go for a NEX.

ARE YOU KIDDING ME CANON?!

To target to a "new market" (ok, if you really think it's a new market). This one lack of lens support, lack of some popular functions like internal flash, flip screen.

For existing Canon users like me, it lack of some advanced functions. Everything is in menus. And, even after spend $199, your valuable L lenses with ultrasonic motor.... focus like merde (can't use swear words)...

Oh well... I can take those, as long as I can have a smaller, cheaper back-up/everyday body that I can bring around and keep using my EF lens. For a body with 22mm lens, a barely-usable external flash, and an adapter ring, it's only...hmm... $1,147.00 US dollar?! Did I say the world "cheaper" earlier?

Again this is just totally a joke. I can't believe after so many years of waiting this is Canon's answer to all the users.

Direct link | Posted on Jul 23, 2012 at 20:17 UTC as 156th comment | 6 replies
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