Dylthedog: When I bought into Canon their sensors were the only game in town. Since then I've purchased a bag full of lenses and five bodies over the years but, like many, I feel that Canon have failed to innovate since that initial lead.
This is the first camera in a while that looks like they have done something attractive. The trouble is I find myself reaching for my M43 Oly kit before my 5D3 on many occasions and having truly compact system (more so than APS-C anyway) with a FF option means I'll never look at this camera.
Canon need this kind of tech with a competitive DR sensor across the range. Here's hoping for 2014.
Same story here...
It looks VERY promising, but first I will need a detailed comparison with other compact systems before I buy in. I need to know which compact primes will exist for Sony and how they fare against the excellent micro four thirds primes.
At the moment there is only the 35mm f/2.8 which is reasonably sized and I would like to know how it fares compared to the excellent PL 20mm f/1.7 on micro four thirds. Both have a 12mm maximum aperture, field of view is about the same, and the PL has proven to be incredibly sharp with beautiful rendering. It would be incredibly interesting to me to compare these two to see exactly how big the full frame advantage is!
On top of that I'd like to know which wide angle and tele primes Sony plans to make, how large those lenses will be.
If Sony fails to impress with the lenses, the upcoming Nikon DF seems far more enticing. The Nikon body will balance far better with the larger FF lenses, and many of us already have a lot of Nikon glass.
caver3d: Not impressed at all. The Oly E-M1 and Pany GX7 can do it better. A lot better.
Is this dynamic range myth real? I mean, if you crop an image in half, does it affect the dynamic range at all?
I'm asking because when I compare my FF, APS-C and MFT cameras, I see no major differences in DR, and dx0mark measurements seems to agree with that observation.
Deleted78792: Once again, the Equivalent Aperture chart shines and informs. The constant aperture F2.8 seems to be the new race after the interest in megapixels has waned- and it's good to see a return of focus (intended!) to optics.
The Stylus 1 does look interesting at almost half the price of the Sony RX10. The colours and contrast look great in the samples, and one does expect that from Olympus jpegs. It would have been interesting to see the size comparison against the RX10.
I also really enjoyed the photography in the samples, much nicer than the cold clinical approach to samples that DPR sometimes prefers. The good lighting and the beautiful season help of course.
I don't understand why review sites keep sticking to the archaic focal length / relative aperture / ISO ratings. These specifications are meaningless on digital and are used as a smoke screen to confuse customers.
The most important spec of a lens should be it's angle of view, in degrees. Focal length is an empty metric without the sensor size.
Aperture should be shown in absolute aperture, because this and only this will determine what the capture image will look like. Lens/camera systems with the same angle of view and the same absolute aperture will produce the same image.
And finally, something needs to be done about the ISO myth. Right now, the ISO scale is scaled to the sensor size, to match the equally scaled focal length and aperture. This is why we get the illusion that ISO 800 looks cleaner on full frame than on smaller sensors, regardless of the pixel pitch. This is nonsense, and does not give a clear picture of sensor efficiency.
mas54: I think dpr and all other review sites should refuse to review any more cameras that don't have optical viewfinders. Just consider them non entities. Maybe the camera companies will get the hint.
Unless you have a full frame camera, optical finders are not all that. They are more like view-tunnels on APS-C cameras anyway.
The latest Epson EVF is absolutely gorgeous.
jagge: It does NOT make sense. It would have made a LOT of sense to make a 15 mm 1.4 lense or even 1.2 then you could get some ff like wideangle feel.
Why go for a 15 mm. 1.7 when there is a 17 1.8 out there. Is it to difficult with a 1.4 version ? I would LOVE that lense
It is only a matter of time until Olympus comes with a set of f/1.2 or f/1.4 primes to complement that new PRO zoom.
The f/1.7 and f/1.8 primes are quite nice because of their tiny size. However, now it's clear that Olympus also wants to take the system in a pro direction, so I think we can expect faster/larger primes soon.
And to the jackass whining about equivalent lens prices etc... I have the fully equivalent Panasonic 20mm f/1.7 and Canon 40mm f/2.8 (on FF). The Panasonic takes far better pictures. A lens is not only defined by its specs. Image character is everything. This is why people pay thousands for Leica and Zeiss lenses rather than cheap Canon and Nikon lenses. You can't put everything in equivalences. If you would have touched one of these lenses just ONCE in your life you wouldn't be spreading this nonsense on the internet!
jkokich: I applaud Panny for making such a small MFT, but until lenses can be made equally small, it's not really compact.
Eh. The 14mm and 20mm are TINY lenses with exceptional quality.
Marksphoto: why would a working pro consider this camera when they can get a nikon D3100 + a 35mm 1.8 lens for about $500, which will practically do the same thing for a fraction of the cost and still have the option of taking the lens off. And no, Sony is not a better brand than Nikon as far as cameras go and hopefully never will be in my lifetime because most photographers own Canon or Nikon lenses which makes Sony practically on the island of their own. I can't even put my canon flash on this thing so why would I even consider this as my 2nd camera?
It's not like the rx1 will fit into my pocket, I still have to hang it around my neck which makes this camera irrelevant in my opinion as far as compacts go...
This camera is aimed at a rich audience but then again if you have an RX1 and not a Leica M9 than you are not very rich, are you?
Who is the target market here?
I am off to look at Canon S120, that's my next camera I will be buying for my wife to take great family photos and videos.
A D3100 with 35mm f/1.8 does NOT do the same thing. The Nikon is a 50mm f/2.8 equivalent. To get the equivalent from Nikon you would have to buy a D3100 plus the $2000 Nikon 24mm f/1.4. THAT would be the equivalent of 35mm f/2 on full frame.
That Nikon setup might be marginally cheaper, but is ridiculous in size and balance.
And Zeiss makes much better glass than Nikon. The 35mm f/1.8 from Nikon is a joke of a lens.
Jogger: Prob $1000 going by the other "Leica" lenses for m43.
@yabokkie... the Nikon 50mm f/1.4G is quite crappy as a reference. It is crazy soft until f/2.8, and the bokeh is unpleasant. Nothing like the masterpiece that is the 25mm f/1.4.
@yabokkie... I paid $599 for my 85mm f/1.8G, and it's not particularly sharp. If the 42.5mm is anything like the 25mm, it will be significantly sharper than the 85mm f/1.8G stopped down to f/2.4. Plus it comes with IS.
And in terms of DoF the difference between f/1.8 and f/2.4 is really small.
I paid $500 for my 25mm f/1.4, I'm going to assume the 15mm will cost the same or less.
This lens, the pancake 12-32mm, the upcoming 42.5mm f/1.2 and the upcoming ultra-compact 35-100mm... Panasonic is on a roll. I can't wait to lay my hand on all these lenses.
BTW, this lens is roughly the equivalent of a 20mm f/2 on Nikon DX. I would have killed for that lens on DX.
thejohnnerparty: Needs a pancake fast 35mm equivalent.
Panasonic 20mm f/1.7 is one of the best micro four thirds lenses on the market and a pancake...
Jimmy jang Boo: DSLRs are going the way of the dodo bird.
DSLRs are going the way of CRT monitors.
ulfie: OMG ... $799 for a plain-vanilla 35mm f2.8 lens. That's not good. Period.
Panasonic 20mm f/1.7 is similar at 40mm equivalent with the same absolute aperture as this Sony 35mm f/2.8.
The Panasonic is half the size, half the price, and proven to be a stellar performer.
Sony needs to bring f/2 primes at this price point.
tanmancs: Attention Olympus, time to grow some balls and give us the Full Frame EM-1. No more excuses.
What are you people talking about. Sony owns Olympus.
Once they release a set of 24, 35, 50 and 85 f/2 primes, I'm buying into this system. Such primes would be f/1 equivalent on micro four thirds. I would sell all my Nikon gear and have a Sony system for FF low light/DoF, and an Olympus MFT system as a second, even more portable system. Ideally, Sony just makes Olympus join this new FF system.
Nikon and Canon took a dump all over their customers by blocking DX and forcing dysfunctional FX cameras onto their DX users. I'm not interested in lugging 2 kg of camera around. My PEN E-P5 system runs circle around my Nikon DX system it's not even funny.
NewForce: Sony are trying too hard to fight for their continue survival in the camera industry.
They are fighting all out at all directions to divert their share holders attention from the trouble financial issue. It may look pretty on the table for now, but will eventually cause even more severe damage to the trouble company.
Sony A7, A7R is like putting "Final nail to Sony coffin". I don't mean to sound very cruel, but starting another "Betamax or VHS" war, only this time round inside Sony very own family? It's totally something a no brainer will do. This will definitely scare away Sony potential customer and also make exiting customers feel lost whether to continue stay in Sony family or not.
"What about for a totally new camera user customer?"I'll say, "Nothing to see and don't waste your money here. Please go straight for a Canon and Nikon Pro FF-DSLR camera.
What are you talking about?
Sony makes the sensors for almost all major camera brands.
These Sony cameras are the future. Recommending Canon and Nikon for a FF camera is like recommending large CRT monitors.
Hubertus Bigend: Sorry, but what's the point of comparing a clearly misadjusted conventional PDAF to a perfectly working on-sensor AF?
When I find my gear producing images which are as clearly out-of-focus as those, I either fine-adjust the AF, if possible, or have the camera and/or lens serviced, but I don't go on shooting with such a setup.
An interesting result though is that the Sigma 18-35, while exhibiting an untrustworthy AF behavior by design, seems to work well with on-sensor AF.
Another thing I find interesting is that Canon seems to think on-sensor PDAF doesn't ever need AF microadjustment. While the test results seem to be in favor of such an assumption, Olympus, on the other hand, does offer AF fine-adjustment for the on-sensor PDAF of their E-M1.
Because on-sensor AF is spot on every time, and conventional PDAF is plagues with micro-adjustment problems *all the time*.
57even: So to get this camera to focus properly you have to hold it in front of you like a compact and focus using the rear screen? I am the only one who thinks this doesn't really move the game forward in any meaningful way?
People made the same kind of comments when LCD screens replaced CRTs ("if I look at an angle, the colors are crap")... and the same when SSDs replaced hard drives. People moan and moan when progress is made.
The Canon lacks an EVF. All other brands (Olympus, Nikon, Sony, Panasonic) have quite stunning 2.5+ megapixel EVFs. These components are getting better and better every year. Canon needs the 70D autofocus tech to survive.