Robert Kempen: I notice that Leica is selling the SL faster than they can manufacture it - perhaps the bashers want to discuss this?
Steve Huff calls it the camera of the year (and he owns the A7R2) among many cameras
I also notice the list of people who "had it" has now grown to 45 - my goodness!
Anyway, bravo to Leica - the list of happy owners is growing rapidly and the images sent to "the Leica meet" is testimony to the quality of this fine photographic tool
I love my M240, but the viewfinder on the SL is looking more attractive by the day - Leica please make a similar EVF for the M240!
Steve Huff will praise whatever item is newest because he lives off affiliate sales.
RichRMA: "I still believe the OVF is (cough, cough) FAR better than any new-fangled EVF thing!"
OVFs are too small. Two years from now these EVFs are going to have 5x magnification.
Enjoy framing through that optical peephole.
Why would I buy a mirrorless camera?
Because of Loxia lenses.
*gasp* they are not kidding when they say Canon sensors have the dynamic range of a micro four thirds camera.
Not impressed at all, images are flat, might as well save some money and get the Sigma.
zavart: I think the biggest mistake some huge companies make is to sell EVERYTHING under its own name ! I think the same mistake has made SONY which should have stayed with MINOLTA name after buying this company. If Samsung would have bought Contax or Rollei and combine its own expertise in electronics with the expertise not to mention tradition in camera making and design of these companies it would be much more recognisable! Lets face it people don't want to own cameras with the logo of Samsung which is also splashed on their fridges and vacuum cleaners ! It's no coincidence that Panasonic is branding its own cameras under LUMIX ..and by the way Samsung already had a good deal with Schneider-Krauznach. Most photographers are sentimental bunch :)
Sony is vastly more successful than Pentax, Olympus, Fuji, etc..
zavart: Oh , and one more thing . Samsung should have joined the MFT group, especially since they didn't have a large selection of lenses to begin with . This would have been a smart move because people right now more than ever are looking for lighter cameras and lenses and it would give them opportunity to be part of the successful group rather than lone loser with the dead end system ! At least people could have risked buying their cameras knowing that in the worst case scenario they could have always buy lenses and accessories from other MTF makers !
M43 has no future.
biza43: But I thought that what was dying was the DSLR????
It's time to put this DSLR are dying vs. mirrorless talk to rest.
DSLRs contain a number of obsolete mechanical parts which - whether you like it or not - will be removed over time. One is the mirror box, the other is the shutter.
It is the same reason as why we store the photos on SD cards and not on cassette tapes.
Bob Janes: This is a great shame - in order to have effective competition in the camera market we need all the players we can get: the Uk decision sounds more extensive than the German one (ie not just the NX1 but everything).
"the only reason olympus, sony,et all went mirrorless was because it was impossible to compete on equal footing with canon and nikon."
I disagree. The reason to go for mirrorless is because less mechanical parts is ALWAYS the way forward.
Their mistake was to limit their systems to crop sensors. Once again, Pros want full frame, and amateurs buy the brands that Pros use. Only Sony got this, and Sony is currently a success story.
technotic: This is scary news. Is the camera industry doomed? How are companies like Fuji, Panasonic, Olympus doing?
I am going to assume they are not doing well.
This "advanced amateur" niche just doesn't seem to exist.
Especially Olympus seems reckless, because if it didn't work for their DSLRs, why would it work for their mirrorless? Pros don't want tiny sensors.
Andreas Stuebs: Samsung was never going to make it alone, they lacked the street cred. What Samsung forgot to do is to forge an alliance with another company to create an "APS-C mirrorless standard" much like Olympus and Panasonic created the µ4/3 standard. Would Fuji have licenced their mount to Samsung? Or even "opened" it the same way that µ4/3 is a published configuration. With Samsung going, there is only Fuji and Sony left as APS-C mirrorless for enthusiasts. And with Sony I am not quite sure, the A6000 is getting a bit long in the tooth and a replacement is not in sight.
In the DSLR world, Canon and Nikon are by far the biggest APS-C players. Why? Because they also sell full frame cameras. Pros want full frame, and amateurs want the brand that pros use. Hence Canon and Nikon won, Olympus and Pentax lost.
In the mirrorless world we will start seeing something similar.
I sold all my Olympus gear this year. The image quality is just not there, no matter what the hype says.
Thorgrem: So mirrorless sales are up 22% for Olympus. How can that be? Reading the news articles on this site and the reactions under it gives the impression that Sony has the entire mirrorless market and is destroying everything else. How can such an tiny sensor gain share? FF supposed to be the only thing that matters...
Because the Olympus news is bunk.
Samsung's business strategies are suicidal and insane.
It is difficult to take Ming Thein seriously. His photos are terrible and his opinions a joke. A bit like Ken Rockwell but without the humor.
PeaceKeeper: How did this camera ever make it out the door?
It is an expensive beta test of Panasonic's upcoming full frame system.
PeaceKeeper: I wonder... if this was the same camera, but with "Panasonic" on the front, would there be ANY argument that it's an overpriced flop?
Why is there an argument now?
Ask yourselves, is Leica's past accomplishments reason to give them a "free pass", and shell out $12k+ for a camera system less capable than one costing 1/5 of that?
You can make any argument you want about how we're just nit-picking pixel peepers on the internet, but the reality is the same. You are simply using an imaged hyper-critical modern perception of the camera as an excuse to ignore it's faults. At no time in photographic history would this sort of this just slipped by, as much as you may want to believe that. This idea of the "photographic experience" of a Leica is the modern construct, not criticism of a cameras system's technical capabilities.
wakaba: Massively overpriced Panasonic rebranded crap. Underperforming and ugly. IQ is below average. Most expensive doorstop ever?
@Barney: it is well documented that this camera is a Panasonic design. Leica has openly stated that T-mount is Panasonic. Maybe Panasonic will release their own cameras/lenses in a few months, maybe they never will. Only time will tell.
km25: This is Leica's first camera of this type. The zoom is not going to as sharp as the primes and remember if you are a Leica owner, say M, your lens will be less then $400.00, just use your M lens. In real world use all of these camera are in the same ballpark. Give Leica chance for firmware up grades, the RAWS of all are very close.I remember the Fuji cameras when they first came out, all the up grades to get them to where they are today. Why I put up with all the hardships was that the Fuji was made so well and gave me the operation lay out I like. Firmware up grades saved the day. They Nikon D750 is fine camera, it is a DSLR. The only good point about the Sonys are their sensors. The cameras are second rate. Shutter bounce, overheating and poor PASM, Playstation operation design. Only the sensor saves the camera. Leica may do well. Bet ya it is made in Germany.
NoMirror99: OK, supposedly FE lenses are to be announced on 5 Nov. Please list the lenses you believe will be announced, or that you most hope for.
8 new Sony lenses:- Sony 24-70mm f/2.8 G Macro- Sony Zeiss FE 25mm f/2.8 (compact prime)- Sony Zeiss FE 85mm f/2.8 (compact prime)- Sony Zeiss FE 50mm f/1.2 (with aperture ring)- Sony Zeiss FE 85mm f/1.4 (with aperture ring)- Sony FE 100-400mm f/4-5.6 G- Sony FE 70-300mm f/4-5.6one more thing...- Sony Zeiss FE 135mm f/2 (with aperture ring)
Zeiss Batis FE roadmap:- Zeiss Batis Distagon 1.8/35- Zeiss Batis Distagon 1.4/50- Zeiss Batis Planar 2/100
Zeiss Loxia FE roadmap:- Zeiss Loxia Sonnar 2/85- Zeiss Loxia Distagon 1.4/35
coldcut: But what does Sony want when buying Toshiba? Patents? Knowledge? Technology? Production capacity? Market shares?