km25: This is Leica's first camera of this type. The zoom is not going to as sharp as the primes and remember if you are a Leica owner, say M, your lens will be less then $400.00, just use your M lens. In real world use all of these camera are in the same ballpark. Give Leica chance for firmware up grades, the RAWS of all are very close.I remember the Fuji cameras when they first came out, all the up grades to get them to where they are today. Why I put up with all the hardships was that the Fuji was made so well and gave me the operation lay out I like. Firmware up grades saved the day. They Nikon D750 is fine camera, it is a DSLR. The only good point about the Sonys are their sensors. The cameras are second rate. Shutter bounce, overheating and poor PASM, Playstation operation design. Only the sensor saves the camera. Leica may do well. Bet ya it is made in Germany.
NoMirror99: OK, supposedly FE lenses are to be announced on 5 Nov. Please list the lenses you believe will be announced, or that you most hope for.
8 new Sony lenses:- Sony 24-70mm f/2.8 G Macro- Sony Zeiss FE 25mm f/2.8 (compact prime)- Sony Zeiss FE 85mm f/2.8 (compact prime)- Sony Zeiss FE 50mm f/1.2 (with aperture ring)- Sony Zeiss FE 85mm f/1.4 (with aperture ring)- Sony FE 100-400mm f/4-5.6 G- Sony FE 70-300mm f/4-5.6one more thing...- Sony Zeiss FE 135mm f/2 (with aperture ring)
Zeiss Batis FE roadmap:- Zeiss Batis Distagon 1.8/35- Zeiss Batis Distagon 1.4/50- Zeiss Batis Planar 2/100
Zeiss Loxia FE roadmap:- Zeiss Loxia Sonnar 2/85- Zeiss Loxia Distagon 1.4/35
coldcut: But what does Sony want when buying Toshiba? Patents? Knowledge? Technology? Production capacity? Market shares?
pannumon: The lens cap alone is larger than the Panasonic 20mm f/1.7.
(yes I know they are totally different lenses for totally different systems.)
The full frame DSLR lens most similar to the Pansonic 20mm f/1.7 is the Canon 40mm f/2.8.
They are exactly the same size.
Now please show me a 10mm f/0.7 lens for micro four thirds to compete with this Sigma.
noflashplease: By all accounts, Nikon's 20mm F/1.8 is sharp wide open, takes standard 77mm filters and lens caps. Canon doesn't have anything comparable, of course.
The Nikon is soft. The Sigma is the obvious choice for both Nikon and Canon shooters.
nir-vana: Hope to see this lens with native Sony FE mount.
@vscd: bunk. You cannot adapt M to Canon EF. You cannot adapt Canon FD to Canon EF. etc... etc...
Sigma 24/1.4 and Batis 25/2 seem like far better options.
I like it. The pop-up viewer is a great addition. I'm not 100% sure I see the point of a 42 mpix sensor in there. I guess they just want to make Leica look bad there :)
jesus_freak: It's puzzling why Sony is so dead set against touchscreens, yet so innovative in many other areas..
Sony's philosophy is that if it has a viewfinder, it doesn't need a touch screen.
Personally, I couldn't care less.
armandino: too expensive for a 21/2.8. At this price I will get a Voiglander 21/1.8.
Gaah what a bunch of unintelligent comments.
Firstly, why on earth would you pick an early-adopter system like the A7-series if you wanted good value glass? Wouldn't it be 10x smarter to get a DSLR with Sigma glass?
Secondly, you are complaining that Zeiss is more expensive than Voigtländer? Seriously? Will you proceed to complain that Leica is more expensive than Sigma?
And why do you call this a Sony lens?
I am starting to seriously doubt that you have an A7RII. You just don't seem to know what you are talking about.
DVT80111: Who said there are not many lens choice with Sony E mount?
I say how deep is your pocket?
And I find it funny how Temporel claims FE lenses have terrible IQ. Which one has terrible IQ? The cheapest one the 28/2 is still better than anything Canikon in that FL. These claims are hilarious.
Sony and Zeiss have managed to put out the most compelling lens line up since Leica M, in just 2 short years.
People look at test charts on the internet and draw conclusions about lenses without trying them.
The Sony Zeiss FE 24-70/4 is a spectacular zoom lens.
Sure, in terms of sharpness it is only on par with the Canon 24-70/4, which is still better than the Nikon offerings.
Nevertheless, the key strength of this Sony Zeiss lens is how the field of (de)focus bends away towards the edges behind the subject. This makes the subject jump out of the frame more than I've seen from any Zoom lens so far. Combine that with excellent colors (T* coating), great bokeh, and the fact that it is tiny, and you have the Sony Zeiss FE 24-70/4.
People will continue to berate it, but in fact, there's nothing like it on the market.
Treve1: Really wish they would release the Loxia range of lenses for Fuji X mount. This, paired with the X-T1 would be perfect for street photography.
Cane: why does every lens for this system end up being like $1400?
@Cane: because every lens for this system ends up being best-in-class!
JacquesBalthazar: Nice! Would be interesting to compare the Milvus 21mm with this one on a A7IIR. The Milvus has a more complex optical design and is much bigger and heavier (and costlier). If it does not outperform the Loxia, that will again say something about the mirrorless advantage. For manual focus lenses anyway. Did anyone compare the Loxia 35mm with its ZF2/Milvus cousin in such a setup?
Yes, both the Loxia 2/35 and the 2/35 ZF2 were tested at lenscore.org and the Loxia rates higher.
teddoman: No full frame body yet, just an enticing photo, and they already have a 2.8 zoom in the works? WTH, Sony?
The lens above is a Tamron lens. You can already buy this Tamron lens today and use it on your Sony camera: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/845351-REG/Tamron_SP_24_70mm_f_2_8_DI.html
Caerolle: So, I see all these Zeiss manual-focus lenses for dSLRs, and I wonder, how do people use them with modern dSLRs, which aren't very good at manual focus in the OVF?
Do people mostly use them stopped down a good bit, so they *can* be focused in the OVF? Or only use them on tripods with Live View? Or do focus bracketing?
Most people use these lenses for video and focus in live view.
Jetfly: I'm still waiting for a Zeiss lens which offers autofocus capabilities for Nikon mount. Just like Batis for Sony FE.
@luxor2: Zeiss has plenty of AF options for Sony listed on their website.
RichRMA: Where is Zeiss getting these lens family names from, the CDC?
It is great that Zeiss uses human-readable names for their different lens lines.
Much better than EX DG HSM II or AF-S G DX.
Johannes Zander: Looked at the Milvus 100mm design and the 100mm Makro Planar. Is the Milvus just a repackeged Planar?
Only the 85mm and 50mm are redesigned.