JimSab: Peoples comments make me laugh. Yes it's all personal opinion and now you have reason to complain because the JPEG images don't look good at 100%, because ALL of you are going to print 1m wide images from this camera in Jpeg where it will be the only time this "fault" will be visible.
The 5DmkIII's raw images were astounding at all ISO's (bar 102400 because that's stupid).... and it seems that the 6D's images might ALMOST be slightly better at high ISO.. which is fantastic! In Raw that is, I don't care about jpeg.
I still cannot WAIT till I buy this camera. I don't need the "Extra features" of the Nikon, I like Canon and always will. Besides, if the main thing is the lack of focus points - it makes little difference if both cameras' focus points are in a similarly small area of the frame.
I enjoy people's winging though, it makes me laugh, you should go study optimism or something :)
We're going back to newcomers and such then. Haven't heard of a lot of people use FF cameras though, and personally I think your statement is false. I'd speculate the majority of photographers with a DSLR are using crop sensors. FF cameras are only now becoming cheap enough to be more widely used, but only gearheads and more serious photographers only ever seem to use them.
Personally people who use DSLRs to just take snapshots disappoint me. No thought process involved, and generally a gigantic waste of money. I was under the naive impression that people buy DSLRs with the intention to be more serious with photography, rather than use it as an overpriced compact.
As for the 6D, at the moment I've no intention of buying it. I will however probably get a FF DSLR someday so I can use inexpensive circular fisheye lenses and such.
showmetheprime: I think the word I'm looking for is "meh".............
He has still yet to answer if he used any of these cameras to hold any authority to what he says. I'll take it he hasn't.
Keep webexpertin', prime.
Unless you're a press/sports photographer, I fail to see how JPEG quality is a factor.
Same reason why auto is included with DSLRs, to appeal to newcomers. Auto is terrible on DSLRs yet you don't see photographers selling their cameras over it.
For most photography purposes, JPEG isn't a good idea. Only 8-bit, so a lot of dynamic range is lost. Most serious photographers usually shoot in RAW.
cgarrard: The only problem I have worth mentioning with Canon's image quality on their DSLRS is banding. Looks like the 6D is yet another camera with this issue.
Canon and Panasonic are notorious for it, and to me, it's nearly a complete deal breaker for Canon. Luckily their Powershot Camera division got the message and can produce ISO 12,800 images from the G15 that are actually pretty decent with zero banding.
It's odd to me to watch Canon lose their grip as a market leader. Not sending DPR a review sample (been an issue for a while now and not just with DPR), not catching up in sensor technology, and not being as competitive as Nikon on DSLR's.... one has to wonder who's calling the shots over there at Canon (both USA and Japan that is).
It's pretty clear to see from the outside that Canon seems to be losing ground on reality, even though they continue to post profits. That won't last long and I dare say next year they might get a big dose of reality.
Does it HONESTLY bloody matter which company is better? Really?
Talk about your cameras all you want, you're just going to take crap at the end of the day.
my username was already taken: Wow, my old D700 smokes this toy! Clearly, if you're moving up to full frame and have a limited investment in glass or if you're just starting out, buying a D600 over the 6D is the only smart thing to do.
Photos talk. Not gear.
showmetheprime: Dear oh dear. Well we can see why you won't be buying it for its high ISO performance. Total lack of detail anywhere, Canon's trademark in camera mushy noise reduction strikes again. And of course we know the sensor's already a fail because Canon will not trump the performance of any camera higher in the pricing tree under any circumstances. With a feature set that most low grade point and shoots can match the question is why would anyone buy this at all? Is this the beginning of the end of Canon? Or are we already well along that road?
Prime, have you used any of those cameras to make judgement on them? Be honest.
ML_Digital_nYc: Just look at the image with the thing on the right side, just totally hideous color, clarity, noise reduction, sharpness... NIKON fixes all that so don't worry.
Okay, you're either trolling or being incredibly stupid. I'm hoping it's the former.
Scott Eaton: Nice to know that Canon is still using the same engine that blows reds and produces mushy colors that rival 1998 consumer print film.
Flower shots and sepia tone really show off blown reds and mushy colours.
ivan1973: I classify those who whine about little things into incapable photographers. Seriously speaking even the lowest grade DSLRs nowadays are so advance and so capable that it would only be the photographers's problem not to have taken good photos. I am still using primitive old 5D with max iso 1600 and very happy with the images.
I had my 40D for a few years before selling it to get my 7D. Loved it to bits and was pretty much able to do any shot I wanted with it.
I only got my 7D for video purposes. As a camera I don't even use most of it's more advanced features, as the photos I take with my 7D now are no "better" than the photos I took with my 40D. This isn't a bad thing, it just shows that the camera does not make the photograph. In other words, I act like I still have a 40D.
If a photographer wants to improve his/her images, then he/she should look into their technique first before splashing out on gear. 99% of the time practice yields better images than any new DSLR purchase.
Octane: I'm getting incredibly bored with the constant excuse of camera manufacturers say' This is only a preproduction sample, don't judge the image quality'. If it's not the final image quality, then why send the camera to the worlds LARGEST photography web site to have them post sample photos? Because the whole 'this is preproduction' is just a backdoor excuse.
Sometimes last minute changes are done. They're really just making a disclaimer in case that they do.
The images look fine to me, personally. Don't see what people are complaining about.
Are you really that stupid?
spiderhunter: Absolutely preposterous. Update available six months from now? They should do it immediately - together with the announcement.
WHAT EXACTLY IS CANON UP?
Time to jump ship!!!
Do you want to marry line skipping?
Jumping ship... OVER AN UPDATE?
Jesus you people are bloody stupid.
JimSab: An interesting note - I vaguely heard a few people having quality issues with their Nikons, or something like they're not built well? I don't know.
But it made me think - sometimes when two competing products have the same price but one has considerably more features... usually means that the one will more features has cut corners elsewhere, like build quality and quality control.
Just a thuogh, I'm not saying it's fact. But in the end, if the Canon is built more like a brick and is less prone to manufacturing faults than the Nikon, then it's clear what the better option would be. For those who have the option to choose one or the other.
I FINALLY got my amazing Sigma 24-70mm lens back, but I hate how it can't focus properly (or isn't calibrated with my camera). I can't WAIT till the 6D fixes this (which I'm hoping it will with its scope of adjustment.The smaller stockier size of the Sigma makes me still prefer it over the Canon, even if my copy isn't perfect.
All companies are not immune to product variance, even if they use strict quality control. Nikon is just as affected as Canon, and was known at one point as being notorious for having that "grip" problem with it's cameras.
People complain because they expect too much for too little, as they always do. That said, it's also the companies faults for hyping their products to make them look better than they are. However if they didn't, you would not have so many people buying their products! Weird world.
Sad Joe: Dear shleed - my point is that the ages old 40D has a 9 point AF system with several cross focus sensors - making it better than the brand new 6D - surely this can't be right? Do Canon have a team tucked away deep inside their HQ who when handed a superb product set out to c**p it up? It feels like they do. The 6D should take great images being FF etc but its the c**p AF which has upset me so much, second whilst Nikon sensors are improving all the time Canon sensors are standing still - see DXO reviews. Final point - newcomers to the DLSR market now see Nikon selling better cameras, obtaining better reviews at each and every price level (apart from the junk System 1) - the future my friend belongs to Nikon.Canon SMT must be blind not to see what's happening - almost as blind as Nikon were when Canon began to take over. You'll see...
How will you know it is crap if the camera is not even out yet? Jesus people, what ever happened to "don't knock until you tried it"? No one really knows that it is good or bad, if anything it's just people trying to pass speculation off as experience.
If the 6D comes out and it is crap, then people can complain. If it's good, people can praise it for all I care.
In fact this has little to do with Canon, as I have no desire to get a 6D since I'm doing fine with my current kit. I also do not care if Nikon or other companies are making better cameras, as I'm a vocal proponent of photography skill > gear. It is that I find the attitude of members here in general to be annoying in this regard, complaining about cameras they have not used or cameras that have not been released.
Also to prove it's not only towards Canon cameras - look up the amount of bitching towards the Nikon D3x. 99% of people who complained never held one in their hands.
Richard: Not sure why they keep mentioning the D600. The D600 resolution, feature set compete with the 5d3, not the 6d. The 6d is a 2007 digital rebel with a FF sensor. The D600 is a modern camera with higher resolution, FPS, and pro like features. This camera should have been called Rebel XTFF.
"Unless you look at the print from 5 meters away. "
If you want to see the entire image rather than bumping your nose into it, yes.
Huge images are obviously meant to be viewed from a DISTANCE. Don't be thick now.
Sad Joe: You know how gutted Canon fans are when discussing the new 6D they begin to place their hopes on the 7D2 ... I'm a Canon fan but I'm willing to bet the new Nikon D7000 2 will be better than the 7D2 when DP does back to back tests - just wait. Canon have clearly lost the plot if they think GPS & WiFi are more useful than a decent AF system.
"lost the plot".
The amount of times I've seen you people say that. I remember people said the exact same things about the 40D, even though it's now considered well regarded.
You can't say it's true if you never tried it. There REALLY is no point to complain about something that you haven't tried. Besides if you don't like it, then why is it even affecting your photography?!?! No wait I get it, you were expecting to become amazing at photography by getting the latest whizzbang Canikon. Sorry mate, doesn't work like that.
Also will I get the 6D? Probably not. I'll probably get a used 5Dmk II/5D since they're getting cheaper now.
What limitations? Pretty much all modern DSLRs can do 99% of shots out there. The other 1% is photos that need a high FPS and good AF system, ie. sports. Looking at your gallery, I'll assume you're not a sports person.
Canon, like any other camera company, is not going to have every product like a bloody 1DX. As much as you hate it, the reason for the "crippling" of products is marketing. Not everyone wants a camera that does 1 million FPS with AF so advanced that it churns sharp brickwalls every time you do backflips.
Speaking of the 60D, I have in fact tried it. It's a nice camera and I don't see why it would hold someone back. The friend of mine who owns it is IMO a brilliant photographer, and shows that such an "awful" thing was able to produce the photos he took.
If you don't want the 6D, then don't get the 6D. Doesn't stop your photography at all by not having it. I think it would be more valuable to invest in photography lessons than a new camera anyway.