PolarHki: It would be great if that planned new X body below the X-Pro 1 would have:
- A micro four third-type sensor, with the same sensor technology as used in the X-Pro1 (so maybe image quality/resolution would get comparable to a "usual" APS-C sensor)
- Rangefinder style body, but smaller than X-Pro1 (maybe about like X100)
- Hybrid viewfinder like X-Pro1 / X100
- Fully articulated screen
- Decent built-in flash, in addition to external flash shoe
- A good range of buttons for direct manual control, although not necessarily as much as on the X-Pro 1 (won't be reasonable on a smaller body either)
Such a camera would be a clear buy, at least for me, but I believe for many others, too.
Reding your wish-list tells me nothing how shall that new camera be les expencive but lower quality, but that way, no, thank you.
simon65: "the company hinted the X-Pro1 will be accompanied by at least one less expensive model."
I'm hoping it's the X100 with interchangeable lenses rather than another brick the size of the X-Pro1, which is bigger than many DSLRs!
I am also hoping they are not going to reduce price by removing hybrid finder. Even pure EVF or nothing would be better than an "optical" hole/tunel.
JackM: "It says it certainly expects the X-Pro1 to be some photographers' only camera, rather than a small camera to support a DSLR."
Quoted for truth. This camera, while awesome, is no more portable or discrete than a DSLR. Therefore people like me who are fully invested in DSLR systems will not see this as a compliment to their existing kit. As such, I can't justify owning it.
Make something more portable (X100 size or smaller) with this sensor and X-mount, and I'm in. I'd also like to see an X200 with the fixed 35/2.0 and this new sensor.
It is not all about size ;)
Jens_G: Funny how people are lauding this for the 'compact' primes, but they fail to realise that the lenses only look compact relative to the gargantuan body.
This is, for practical intents and purposes, a contrast detect rangefinder (actually even worse than that because a CDAF rangefinder would probably at least have focus peaking).
The Nex 7 is a better camera in every respect, except for its total lack of hipster appeal.
Announced Fuji lenses ARE compact. "Gargantuan" Fuji is only139.5x81.8x 42.6mm/450g with batt. and card, and my favorite cameras from film days Nikon FM2,FE2 and FA, those I considered compact, were (measures for FM2, one of few best SLR`s ever) were 142x90x60mm/540g. Xpro1 might look gargantuan if compaired to Lumix GX1 and NEX7, but still IT IS compact. And heaviest, 60mm lens, weights only 215g.
And worth mentioning, I am not tall person and my fists are small, so I prefere compact and lightweight cameras and lenses.
(NEX7? To much pixels with to few good lenses to match them. Else is nice.)
petepictures: Only if it was a full frame with faster lenses I wouldn't think twice.
C/p Roland. Go for Leica. It is FF with fast lenses. And Fuji with FF would probably cost as much. Would you than buy Fuji? So stop dreamin` and don`t think twice. Go for Leica right now.
jacketpotato: UWA 10-16mm for landscapes (a forumee mentioned)
28mm there are a handful of inexpensive 28m f2.8 autofocus 28mm f1.8 (as the Canon usm) is more fitting for a cameras named Pro. Would make photographers sit up and another reason to buy X-Pro.
85mm f1.4 portrait lens. Would make photographers sit up and another reason to buy X-Pro.
Panasonic have shown their concept12-35mm F2.8 (24-70mmn f2.8) and 35-100mm F2.8 (70-200mm f2.8)
Fuji would do well to rethink their zooms (even though the larger sensor of X-P1 makes its zooms almost as a m4/3 f2.8)12-24mm f/4.0 Image Stabilization18-72mm f/4.0 with Image Stabilization72-200mm f/4.0 Image Stabilization
To fit the Pro name, zooms would do well to be less range and constant f2.8.This would make photographers sit up and another reason to buy X-Pro.
Don`t agree. If you want constant f2.8 zoom, go for DSLR, or m4/3. Xpro is not that kind of camera... And if you want fast lens on this Fuji, go for primes.You are mixing things that should not be mixed. This IS NOT the system that wants to have all and do everything...
nemark: There is not much to complain about this camera. On the paper, it is tailored just as Fuji read and cared about my few posts. It has everything to be a good camera of it`s kind. It is somewhat bulky, but not heavy. It has hybrid VF. Fot those of us with eyes not so good for extensive use of LCD monitor, and for steady handling of camera. Optical VF for those who like it, and for situations when you can hardly see anything on EVF or LCD, but still can make a good photo. Good ISO range. Not too much pixels and small external flash that can be caried in the pocket if you need one. For me, it is much better to have the EVF, than flash IN the camera body, if you can`t have both. EVF I use almost 100% of the time, flash less than 10%. Very nice choice of QUALITY primes at the start; but I`d love 10-14mm quality WA in the future. Price? Yes, it is too high for my budget (pitty Fuji X-10/Canon G1x are without EVF). But not high if it follows quality. And yes, tipod screw SHOULD be centered.
Forgot to mention, a black and white variant (sensor without a Bayer filter array overlayed) for true bw photography should be great! (And 10-14mm not-too-heavy prime would be nice!)
tulo: why cant someone just give us the details on how the viewfinder and MF differs from the X100 and we'll all know for sure if this is something to even bother with...?
"I'm sure Fuji will be adding to this system..."But you do not invest in anything just hoping that something nice will happen... But for me, this is REALLY nice camera and system, even without WA lens. (But should really miss one ;))
Louis_Dobson: Great camera, I'd buy it in a heartbeat if the roadmap showed a proper wide, a 10-18, or in EFL terms a 14-24, like my Nikkor or Zuiko.
It's a natural landscape camera, but landscapers need a real UWA, not the projected 18-36 equivalent.
Come on Fuji, you so nearly have this right!
No, this is not a natural landscape camera, but more likely a street camera. But interpretion is individual. And yes, it is not the only system missing a good WA lens. I would prefere a compact prime at 10-14mm (f2,8 would be enough) rather than heavy UWA zoom.
Valentinian: The Xpro1 looks very nice. so far. a key question is the AF. how fast can it focus moving subjects? Nikon found a way to fast focus a mirrorless.... when will the others catch up with that?
I c/p what T3 said. This system (including X100, X10...) is not aimed at action shooters. For street it should be fast enough, and it can do a lot more. Just great concept IMHO, and I like it is so. I hate cameras that can do whatever you can think of (even fly to the Mars for you and come back with great photos).
mschf: Dear Fuji, please make a tilting LCD variant of this beaut and I'm sold.
I like artuculated LCD, but I am not sure if it is necessary here.I would rather like a black-and-white sensor (sensor without bayer filter array overlayed) camera body. For real BW photography.
Shkolnik: Hey, Fuji. Those guys you hired from the Krasnogorsk Mechanical Works? Fire them. Then go to Italy and find a designer.
Well, if you follow FUJI through history, you`ll see that this design is tipical for them. Even long-long ago produced ST series of SLR`s (ST-801, -901, -701) had lenses near cameras centerline, for instance. And FUJI`s medium format cameras (6x9 and 6x7) looked much like this new one. So no KMW here, in my opinion.
cgarrard: I bought a 28mm Vivitar SMS f/2.8 Close focus (MD mount) for my L1 in 4/3 mount. It's small, light, superbly built, excellent close focus on 4/3 mount (about 1:2.5), for $20.00 like new with caps. Unless you need auto focus I can't see why lenses like this appeal. I'll be using it on my E-P1 as well.
Looking at the max magnification on the 19mm almost makes me ill :). C'mon maaaan! Really?
"Unless you need auto focus..."I don`t need AF so often, but I like if camera can stop the lens aperture for me at the moment of shooting. For some time I used old, but good 1.8/105mm Nikkor for portraiture, and I rarely used it wide open, most often 2.8, sometimes f4 and even 5.6. And while stopping the lens down, I have offten moved a little, just enough to get wrong focus. Not to mention a macro work.So adopted lenses are not so good solution for all situations, even if you don`t need AF.
tkbslc: I try to be open minded and positive about product launches. I try to see how they might be useful to someone even if they aren't to me. But man, why would anyone buy these 2 lenses?
Sony users have the dirt cheap 16mm f2.8 already, and a 30mm f3.5 Macro. Okay, so the 30mm f2.8 is a hair faster, but it's still not fast.
m4/3 users have the cheap 17mm f2.8 and the fast 20mm f1.7 and the 25mm f1.4. So I guess if it's dirt cheap, then maybe the 30mm could be a short portrait lens or something like that.
This is like Tamron making the 18-200 for NEX. Why make lenses that already exist! The lens lineups have huge holes (especially NEX) and instead of filling them, they make what is already available and use boring apertures to boot.
Shall someone start to sell really quality real wide angle lenses for mirrorles mounts? And primes, please. Even for APS-C DSLR you should be happy if you find good used Sigma 14mm WA. Nothing else on the horizont. And it is longest focal length for WA/UWA.
JimW: My comments are... The Nikon looks very good,but watch out for SONY, their A77 looks incredibly inviting, and the FF model, the A99, later this year, at 37mp, and 12fps, 2.5mp EVF, full 1080p recording up to 60fps for super-smooth HDTV videos... And we have yet to see what Canon has in store for us. This is the year, that these big-3 players better put forward their very best stuff, or folks will be switching around a bit... Self included... I've been a Nikon guy for 20 years, and a Canon digital guy for the last 15 years... And I'm getting itchy for a possible change, except if Canon get really aggressive with their 5D3 and 7D2 replacements...
All these super-hyper-giga-mega pixel cameras are worth only if followed by first class lenses (and if you can afford these). Canon and Nikon are redesigning their lens line-up, but how many Sony lenses are really ready to follow 24, not to mention anticipated 37 Mpx sensors in A77/A99? Good lenses for NEX7? Only few. Literally.Wideangles? None!To by 1000+ dollars body with mediocre lenses and to downsize images in post-processing just to match their mediocracy? No, thank you. Adopted lenses are bad solution if you have to be quick, no matter how good they are. I have used 1.8/105mm Nikkor on EOS bodies for portraiture for a while, and if I had to manually stop lens down a little, final image was most often sharp at the wrong spot.
UnChatNoir: A few conclusions... 1. Fujifilm wants to hurt Leica with a concept Leica isn't able to develop. But a lot of questions, certainly because it's in theory 'only' an APS/C sensor whatever technology may be in it. 2. Let's also wait to see whether the glass will also rule out the M-range, an almost impossible challenge. 3. Concerning that glass, 3 primes, one macro. Cannot think of a real pro that will be satisfied with only this set. What is to come... unknown in this stage - but important if you go for such a system camera. 5. The same applies a bit for all accessories. A range of stuff not adding too much value in this stage. 6. A pricing that matches a 5DMkII? Yes Leica is still doing worse. But Leica is Leica and even if you love the concept, the same money can buy a lot of very attractive camera's. Surely in the APS/C-range. 5. Hello Canon, hello Nikon, are you still there? The V/J1 and G1X was not exactly where I was waiting for. The kids already have their own camera ;-) .
"6. A pricing that matches a 5DMkII?"But together with lenses, not so heavy on the shoulder...("Keep things as small as possible, but not smaller than that" A.E. - and this is just this concept.)
There is not much to complain about this camera. On the paper, it is tailored just as Fuji read and cared about my few posts. It has everything to be a good camera of it`s kind. It is somewhat bulky, but not heavy. It has hybrid VF. Fot those of us with eyes not so good for extensive use of LCD monitor, and for steady handling of camera. Optical VF for those who like it, and for situations when you can hardly see anything on EVF or LCD, but still can make a good photo. Good ISO range. Not too much pixels and small external flash that can be caried in the pocket if you need one. For me, it is much better to have the EVF, than flash IN the camera body, if you can`t have both. EVF I use almost 100% of the time, flash less than 10%. Very nice choice of QUALITY primes at the start; but I`d love 10-14mm quality WA in the future. Price? Yes, it is too high for my budget (pitty Fuji X-10/Canon G1x are without EVF). But not high if it follows quality. And yes, tipod screw SHOULD be centered.
Ucarcamagno: my "perfect" lens set would be:- fast compact pancake prime: 18-22 f1.4-f1.8 ... for less then 1000$ (Zeiss)- fast moderate tele prime: 70-80 f1.4-f1.8... SEL5018 is very good, but i like a little bit more tele...- HQ zoom: 18-90 f2.4-3.5 OSS- telezoom 40-120 f2.4-3.5 OSS
And UWA lens of, say, 12mm (f2.8-3.5 would be enough for me), but all of higher quality than some SONY lenses, like bad 16mm pancake.... To support new 24 Mpx sensors.
yukonchris: As good as this camera appears to be, there are rumours that Samsung is working on an EVIL camera with a 36mm square sensor. I'm going to wait a little and see. Imagine a larger than "full-frame" sensor in a mirrorless design?
Besides, a sensor with a square format, such as was found in the days of 6x6 film cameras, is a wonderful concept because it makes much better use of the image circle produced by any given lens. It also allows you to turn a photo on its side without loosing anything, and without having to do so first in camera - a real boon for those who often use tripods.
Frankly, I'm not sure why Sony, and Nikon chose to go with the shorter and longer form factor sensors in their cameras at all, unless they ultimately value video over still frames. Squarer sensors have always offered a more efficient use of the lens image circle. In fact, it is that height to width ratio that helps make the 4/3rds format as attractive as it is compared to APS-C.
Well, I agree that NEX7 sounds like a camera that was worth waiting for... ...if announced lenses are good enough for 24Mpx sensor. What the system is missing is some quality wide angle prime somewhere around 14mm.
About 36mm square Samsung rumors: ful-frame (24x36mm) lenses will produce black corners on such sensor, as their image circle is cca 43.3 mm, and 36mm square has 51mm diagonal. But such camera would be nice addition to the market anyway. And black and white sensor would really be nice :)Square frame is only 9 percent larger by area over 2:3 frame for the same circle, so there is not much gain.
I am surprised that there are still no third party lenses for mirrorless cameras.
nemark: Very attractive, and almost everything to make me pleased, .....but no EVF. Don`t know why so many manufacturers neglect so many of us with bad-for-LCD-viewing eyes? That is why I do not want to by G12 (otherwise great camera), nor any other compact in that class with about this specifications... OK, maybe piphole iz just good enough and precise for composing picture (with zoomed-out lens in the singht), but I want to control camera without switching eyeglasses and to preview just shot image in EVF. Thats why I still stick with veeeerry old Oly C740 for many situations when I don`t want a DSLR.I am willing to pay extra price for built-in EVF!So, not for me at this stage, no matter how high field results it delivers.
No, thinking that way, I could also go for Oly Pen and similar cameras, with the same kind of EVF. But I want built-in EVF, as it is something I want to use for almost every taken picture. Built-in flash is something I can live without, as I use it really seldom. But rarely I`ll take a picture without an EVF. Flash can be in my pocket. (Samsungs idea for flash for their new NX200 is great, at least in my opinion.) I am still waiting for camera just like this or G12 (COMPACT camera), but with built-in quality EVF. New Sony NEX 7 is great, bit with lenses it is no more compact. And again, I am convinced that I am not the only one with eyes not anymore so good for camera LCDs, no matter how large or hi resolution they are. At the arm length, they are unsharp for me unless I switch eyeglasses. And it becomes really annoying if you do it very often.