iae aa eia: That's a really good news. This sensor layout is better than the one used by all the other makers. It's a sensor that does not need extra processing or rearrangement of pixels to obtain true colors.
When you take exactly the same shot of something you clearly notice Foveon's colors are more substantial, you feel depth. I always believed Sigma would get a very good position in the camera market with this sensor. It's taking long and being hard, but that's good to know they didn't give up.
Still I think it is too expensive camera body doomed only to Sigma lenses. I`ll rather go for another brand body (as good or better for less or so money) capable for that brand lenses AND Sigma, Tokina, Tamron.....
PolarHki: It would be great if that planned new X body below the X-Pro 1 would have:
- A micro four third-type sensor, with the same sensor technology as used in the X-Pro1 (so maybe image quality/resolution would get comparable to a "usual" APS-C sensor)
- Rangefinder style body, but smaller than X-Pro1 (maybe about like X100)
- Hybrid viewfinder like X-Pro1 / X100
- Fully articulated screen
- Decent built-in flash, in addition to external flash shoe
- A good range of buttons for direct manual control, although not necessarily as much as on the X-Pro 1 (won't be reasonable on a smaller body either)
Such a camera would be a clear buy, at least for me, but I believe for many others, too.
PolarHki, what you said describing a hypothetical, cheaper Fuji X camera, with all mentioned things in it, tells me that it should not be cheaper, just different. And I don`t wish it to become cheap by removing EVF (save it hybrid if possible). As person with bad eyes for back LCD I`ll use EVF most of the time. That`s why I still stick with APS-C DSLR. And what I use only occasionally is electronic flash (about 20% of time), so it can be a little one in the pocket, if it shall save some space in the camera body for EVF. I believe I am not the only one with this kind of eye-problem, neither am minority.And I agree about pure EVF in the dark (I already have that experience with live-view on DSLR). That`s why, altogether with pure lens line-up - camera is only matched by 1.8/24mm Zeiss, why NEX7 is far behind Fuji.
PolarHki, what you said describing a hypothetical, cheaper Fuji X camera, with all mentioned things in it, tells me that it should not be cheaper, just different.
Zvonimir Tosic: Focus by wire still puzzles me. Why? It works bad enough on X100, and even if it's 3 times as better on X-Pro 1, it's still useless. For a camera that's intended for a more traditional approach to composition, a more responsive manual focusing mechanism would be of greater benefit.
But again, when faced with the ugly reality of cost, we've got what Mike Johnston has said:
"C'mon, we have enough good bargain cameras to choose from. Let's have some spendy ones too. The more money the manufacturers have to work with the more they can do, price being the #1 constraint on any camera and especially lens designer."
And lens/focus by wire are the department that I'd like Fuji had sorted out better.
To ZvonimirTosic:"But I hope Leica will at least eliminate the cost problem..."It would not be Leica, than... ;)
wlachan: Now is the big question, "Will 3k USD cover the whole set?"
Maybe, but tightly...
PaulSnowcat: So they've decided to aim above NEX7 and make "the only one" camera, not an addition to a DSLR and price it accordingly, i.e. very high... Risky.
NEX7 offers great IQ, alot more lenses, and lower price. So new FUJI's sensor must be something fantastic to make someone to prefer this camera.
NEX7 has only one, maybe two lenses, and that is (along with to mauch pixels for lenses to match) its only and big drawback.
spidermoon: I hope a less expensive model, a smaller body may be possible if you remove the EVF/OVF. a direct competitor to the nex3/nex 5. A X103 with fixed touch screen lcd and a x105 with an articulated lcd :)
If you remove EVF, I won`t even look at it...(With one, Canon G1x would be a great point-and-shoot camera)
Hoddo: Not as pretty as the X100 but this still does look a mighty fine camera. Anyone think they'll produce a version with a full frame sensor?
With a price close to Leicas?
Reding your wish-list tells me nothing how shall that new camera be les expencive but lower quality, but that way, no, thank you.
simon65: "the company hinted the X-Pro1 will be accompanied by at least one less expensive model."
I'm hoping it's the X100 with interchangeable lenses rather than another brick the size of the X-Pro1, which is bigger than many DSLRs!
I am also hoping they are not going to reduce price by removing hybrid finder. Even pure EVF or nothing would be better than an "optical" hole/tunel.
JackM: "It says it certainly expects the X-Pro1 to be some photographers' only camera, rather than a small camera to support a DSLR."
Quoted for truth. This camera, while awesome, is no more portable or discrete than a DSLR. Therefore people like me who are fully invested in DSLR systems will not see this as a compliment to their existing kit. As such, I can't justify owning it.
Make something more portable (X100 size or smaller) with this sensor and X-mount, and I'm in. I'd also like to see an X200 with the fixed 35/2.0 and this new sensor.
It is not all about size ;)
Jens_G: Funny how people are lauding this for the 'compact' primes, but they fail to realise that the lenses only look compact relative to the gargantuan body.
This is, for practical intents and purposes, a contrast detect rangefinder (actually even worse than that because a CDAF rangefinder would probably at least have focus peaking).
The Nex 7 is a better camera in every respect, except for its total lack of hipster appeal.
Announced Fuji lenses ARE compact. "Gargantuan" Fuji is only139.5x81.8x 42.6mm/450g with batt. and card, and my favorite cameras from film days Nikon FM2,FE2 and FA, those I considered compact, were (measures for FM2, one of few best SLR`s ever) were 142x90x60mm/540g. Xpro1 might look gargantuan if compaired to Lumix GX1 and NEX7, but still IT IS compact. And heaviest, 60mm lens, weights only 215g.
And worth mentioning, I am not tall person and my fists are small, so I prefere compact and lightweight cameras and lenses.
(NEX7? To much pixels with to few good lenses to match them. Else is nice.)
petepictures: Only if it was a full frame with faster lenses I wouldn't think twice.
C/p Roland. Go for Leica. It is FF with fast lenses. And Fuji with FF would probably cost as much. Would you than buy Fuji? So stop dreamin` and don`t think twice. Go for Leica right now.
jacketpotato: UWA 10-16mm for landscapes (a forumee mentioned)
28mm there are a handful of inexpensive 28m f2.8 autofocus 28mm f1.8 (as the Canon usm) is more fitting for a cameras named Pro. Would make photographers sit up and another reason to buy X-Pro.
85mm f1.4 portrait lens. Would make photographers sit up and another reason to buy X-Pro.
Panasonic have shown their concept12-35mm F2.8 (24-70mmn f2.8) and 35-100mm F2.8 (70-200mm f2.8)
Fuji would do well to rethink their zooms (even though the larger sensor of X-P1 makes its zooms almost as a m4/3 f2.8)12-24mm f/4.0 Image Stabilization18-72mm f/4.0 with Image Stabilization72-200mm f/4.0 Image Stabilization
To fit the Pro name, zooms would do well to be less range and constant f2.8.This would make photographers sit up and another reason to buy X-Pro.
Don`t agree. If you want constant f2.8 zoom, go for DSLR, or m4/3. Xpro is not that kind of camera... And if you want fast lens on this Fuji, go for primes.You are mixing things that should not be mixed. This IS NOT the system that wants to have all and do everything...
nemark: There is not much to complain about this camera. On the paper, it is tailored just as Fuji read and cared about my few posts. It has everything to be a good camera of it`s kind. It is somewhat bulky, but not heavy. It has hybrid VF. Fot those of us with eyes not so good for extensive use of LCD monitor, and for steady handling of camera. Optical VF for those who like it, and for situations when you can hardly see anything on EVF or LCD, but still can make a good photo. Good ISO range. Not too much pixels and small external flash that can be caried in the pocket if you need one. For me, it is much better to have the EVF, than flash IN the camera body, if you can`t have both. EVF I use almost 100% of the time, flash less than 10%. Very nice choice of QUALITY primes at the start; but I`d love 10-14mm quality WA in the future. Price? Yes, it is too high for my budget (pitty Fuji X-10/Canon G1x are without EVF). But not high if it follows quality. And yes, tipod screw SHOULD be centered.
Forgot to mention, a black and white variant (sensor without a Bayer filter array overlayed) for true bw photography should be great! (And 10-14mm not-too-heavy prime would be nice!)
tulo: why cant someone just give us the details on how the viewfinder and MF differs from the X100 and we'll all know for sure if this is something to even bother with...?
"I'm sure Fuji will be adding to this system..."But you do not invest in anything just hoping that something nice will happen... But for me, this is REALLY nice camera and system, even without WA lens. (But should really miss one ;))
Louis_Dobson: Great camera, I'd buy it in a heartbeat if the roadmap showed a proper wide, a 10-18, or in EFL terms a 14-24, like my Nikkor or Zuiko.
It's a natural landscape camera, but landscapers need a real UWA, not the projected 18-36 equivalent.
Come on Fuji, you so nearly have this right!
No, this is not a natural landscape camera, but more likely a street camera. But interpretion is individual. And yes, it is not the only system missing a good WA lens. I would prefere a compact prime at 10-14mm (f2,8 would be enough) rather than heavy UWA zoom.
Valentinian: The Xpro1 looks very nice. so far. a key question is the AF. how fast can it focus moving subjects? Nikon found a way to fast focus a mirrorless.... when will the others catch up with that?
I c/p what T3 said. This system (including X100, X10...) is not aimed at action shooters. For street it should be fast enough, and it can do a lot more. Just great concept IMHO, and I like it is so. I hate cameras that can do whatever you can think of (even fly to the Mars for you and come back with great photos).
mschf: Dear Fuji, please make a tilting LCD variant of this beaut and I'm sold.
I like artuculated LCD, but I am not sure if it is necessary here.I would rather like a black-and-white sensor (sensor without bayer filter array overlayed) camera body. For real BW photography.