qwertyasdf: EOS-M (298) + 18-55 kit (120) = 418g650D (575) + 18-55 kit (200) = 775g
418 / 775 = 53.9%
Weight savings are nice for kit lens users.
But no EVF sucks for us with aging eyes (all of you shall get sunken to that coast), so I`ll stick to xxxD EOS cameras so far.
Koulang: Why there is no wide angle or tele lenses like 10mm, 200m or 300mm for mirroless camera?
EF 200 and 300mm lenses via adapter should be OK, if you want them, but I`d appreciate a 10 or 12mm compact and quality (and cheap ;)) rectilinear prime. I miss one for xxxD (APS-C) line, too.
AshMills: Presumably the adapter for EF lenses is not optical, so should be dirt cheap?
I`d expect it to cost somewhere as a Extension Tube EF 25 II, but third party adapters should go for much less.
stelioskritikakis: i'd like an EF version of the 22mm f/2 :Djust like the 40mm 2.8 pancake
...and 10 or 12mm UWA prime pancake, too.(of the quality of the 40mm) ;-)
Just another mirrorles without built in EVF. Can`t afford that luxury for my aged eyes, no matter of other qualities. For me, a good EVF is criterion number one!
And, who needs one?
Everything looks nice but.... I hope when it comes to production it will have REMOVABLE tripod collar.(And hope for an 4/300mm and 5.6/400mm non-mirror prime (IS?) from some of the third party manufacturers in a near future.)
caramelised: I'm a Nikon user and am looking hard for a 70-200mm option.If disregarding price I can either have the original VR version or the VRII version (I have doubts about the Sigma 70-200mm OS's optical quality).
If this turns out be as good as the Canon 70-200mm f/4... then I have another option on my short list.
But it is long discontinued and hard to find...
AbrasiveReducer: I still wish someone other than Sigma had taken on Foveon sensors. Tremendous potential but probably not with Sigma behind it. I still use the DP1 and it doesn't need any improvments in sharpness, detail or lens quality. But green corners, magenta blotches, etc are a real drag. And no, I did not get a bad one.
John D., I presume we are talking in this thread about Foveon sensors in Sigma cameras generally ("I still wish someone other than Sigma had taken on Foveon sensors."), no matter interchangeable lenses or not, and that's why my comment.
...And you can use only Sigma lenses on these bodies, no matter how good these bodies are. To be honest, I have nothing against Sigma lenses as I use a lot of them on both Nikon and EOS cameras (and of some I can only dream), but would not like Sigma lenses as my only choice. Even if all are excellent.
tkbslc: Can you imagine if you were one of the tens of people that bought it at full price? I can't even fathom how much you would hate Sigma right now for that several thousand dollar bath your SD-1 just took.
You buy that expensive Sigma camera only if you are IN LOVE with Sigma. So no reason to hate Sigma. I have nothing against Sigma (I use a lot of their lenses), but would never buy a body - no matter how good, that is doomed to it`s brand lenses only. I use both EOS and Nikon cameras, but still think Sigma, Tamron, Tokina, Samyang... have some lenses that suite my needs better (or ARE better). And vice versa.
iae aa eia: That's a really good news. This sensor layout is better than the one used by all the other makers. It's a sensor that does not need extra processing or rearrangement of pixels to obtain true colors.
When you take exactly the same shot of something you clearly notice Foveon's colors are more substantial, you feel depth. I always believed Sigma would get a very good position in the camera market with this sensor. It's taking long and being hard, but that's good to know they didn't give up.
Still I think it is too expensive camera body doomed only to Sigma lenses. I`ll rather go for another brand body (as good or better for less or so money) capable for that brand lenses AND Sigma, Tokina, Tamron.....
PolarHki: It would be great if that planned new X body below the X-Pro 1 would have:
- A micro four third-type sensor, with the same sensor technology as used in the X-Pro1 (so maybe image quality/resolution would get comparable to a "usual" APS-C sensor)
- Rangefinder style body, but smaller than X-Pro1 (maybe about like X100)
- Hybrid viewfinder like X-Pro1 / X100
- Fully articulated screen
- Decent built-in flash, in addition to external flash shoe
- A good range of buttons for direct manual control, although not necessarily as much as on the X-Pro 1 (won't be reasonable on a smaller body either)
Such a camera would be a clear buy, at least for me, but I believe for many others, too.
PolarHki, what you said describing a hypothetical, cheaper Fuji X camera, with all mentioned things in it, tells me that it should not be cheaper, just different. And I don`t wish it to become cheap by removing EVF (save it hybrid if possible). As person with bad eyes for back LCD I`ll use EVF most of the time. That`s why I still stick with APS-C DSLR. And what I use only occasionally is electronic flash (about 20% of time), so it can be a little one in the pocket, if it shall save some space in the camera body for EVF. I believe I am not the only one with this kind of eye-problem, neither am minority.And I agree about pure EVF in the dark (I already have that experience with live-view on DSLR). That`s why, altogether with pure lens line-up - camera is only matched by 1.8/24mm Zeiss, why NEX7 is far behind Fuji.
PolarHki, what you said describing a hypothetical, cheaper Fuji X camera, with all mentioned things in it, tells me that it should not be cheaper, just different.
Zvonimir Tosic: Focus by wire still puzzles me. Why? It works bad enough on X100, and even if it's 3 times as better on X-Pro 1, it's still useless. For a camera that's intended for a more traditional approach to composition, a more responsive manual focusing mechanism would be of greater benefit.
But again, when faced with the ugly reality of cost, we've got what Mike Johnston has said:
"C'mon, we have enough good bargain cameras to choose from. Let's have some spendy ones too. The more money the manufacturers have to work with the more they can do, price being the #1 constraint on any camera and especially lens designer."
And lens/focus by wire are the department that I'd like Fuji had sorted out better.
To ZvonimirTosic:"But I hope Leica will at least eliminate the cost problem..."It would not be Leica, than... ;)
wlachan: Now is the big question, "Will 3k USD cover the whole set?"
Maybe, but tightly...
PaulSnowcat: So they've decided to aim above NEX7 and make "the only one" camera, not an addition to a DSLR and price it accordingly, i.e. very high... Risky.
NEX7 offers great IQ, alot more lenses, and lower price. So new FUJI's sensor must be something fantastic to make someone to prefer this camera.
NEX7 has only one, maybe two lenses, and that is (along with to mauch pixels for lenses to match) its only and big drawback.
spidermoon: I hope a less expensive model, a smaller body may be possible if you remove the EVF/OVF. a direct competitor to the nex3/nex 5. A X103 with fixed touch screen lcd and a x105 with an articulated lcd :)
If you remove EVF, I won`t even look at it...(With one, Canon G1x would be a great point-and-shoot camera)
Hoddo: Not as pretty as the X100 but this still does look a mighty fine camera. Anyone think they'll produce a version with a full frame sensor?
With a price close to Leicas?