chris_j_l: I won't be waiting to get this at a lower price. The silent shutter is enough to clinch the deal. Drama & Theatre work requires a silent camera and carrying a blimp that just makes my 5D quiet rather than silent is just a PITA. The ISO limitation is a non-issue.I look forward to finding the first place in the UK that will sell me one.
Not only silent, but with sensor-shift IS makes it usable in low light within ISO limitation. Oly 1.8/75mm (or my 1.8/105 Nikkor :) and many other lenses) looks a good choice for such use... And also some other situations.
They (Samyang) had already announced 2.8/10mm lens for APS-C DSLR`s, and nothing till today. The lens release date was supposed to be November 2012...Should I believe them now for 16mm?
It would be great if it had IR-trigger receptor at frond AND rear side of the body. I like this feature at D7000 very much. I use rear one 98% of the time when camera on tripod, in conjunction with MLU function.
KentbertLee: oh my G...its uglyyyyy..nikonnnn what are you doinnnnnnn!
Not ugly in my eyes... Much better design than V1.
nemark: Pity, no 1:1 aspect ratio, not articulated LCD, no center crop video ("digital zoom"), no built-in wireless control of optional flash... Otherwise promising little camera.Center-crop video ("pixel-to-pixel" digital zoom) would add, depending on chosen video resolution, 2.4x, 3.6x, 4.3x, 7.2x "digital tele-converters" for video. Canon did it only once, for 550D giving it a VGA center-crop, and than gave up.And yes, they need god lenses for this system, primes at first place (6/7mm UWA, better 10mm, 20/25mm and 40mm micro Nikkor....)
I read about it, but 6/7mm PRIME would allow it to have larger and useful aperture at acceptable price, than a zoom... Also they lack macro lenses for the system. And, already existing 10mm needs some optical improvements.
MirosIav: Nice improvements, proper grip, but I must agree with all who say it's very ugly. The screen is too big and that's why the hump had to go up. A pity the viewfinder has not stayed in the same place as in V1...
And the price is ugly as well :).
I think that moving EVF more to the left saves you from pushing your nose onto the camera/LCD... And greasing it whenever you use EVF.
Pity, no 1:1 aspect ratio, not articulated LCD, no center crop video ("digital zoom"), no built-in wireless control of optional flash... Otherwise promising little camera.Center-crop video ("pixel-to-pixel" digital zoom) would add, depending on chosen video resolution, 2.4x, 3.6x, 4.3x, 7.2x "digital tele-converters" for video. Canon did it only once, for 550D giving it a VGA center-crop, and than gave up.And yes, they need god lenses for this system, primes at first place (6/7mm UWA, better 10mm, 20/25mm and 40mm micro Nikkor....)
This camera (as many other cameras) has 3:4 aspect ratio sensor. In this case, it is 4352 x 3264px. And as many other p&s cameras it also offers other ratios, and among them is 4:5. If you want maximum use of this sensor for that ratio, it should be 4080x3264px, but Canon always makes it a vertical 4:5 crop from a horizontal 3:4 sensor, so it is only 2192 x 3264 (almost half of max possible resolution for that ratio from a given sensor). Can somebody explain me why is it so and who needs it?
Bravo for Samyang!!! Now my dreams are nearing to come truth! For years (actually from the beginning of APS-C DSLR era), for UWA primes you had only to choose from full frame UWA options, and choice was very narrow, HEAVY and BULKY.... and EXPENSIVE! If someone is oriented to APS-C DSLR, that isn`t always just because at the moment you don`t have the money for full frame, so you buy huge, expensive FF lenses and later switch to FF body. No, I stick to APS-C DSLR cause I want a COMPACT body, and COMPACT lenses, too. My xxxD EOS cameras WITH battery grips are more than light weight compared to any FF DSLR without a battery grip. Even my xxD APS-C EOS was more than I wanted to carry all day around and I sold it. I even contacted Tamron and Tokina regarding APS-C compact UWA prime, and answers were negative.
So again, BRAVO for Samyang!
cangi: @ nemark. i have the 50mm f1.8 and the quality is very good. it is also small and light. nice lens!
Probably the only Sony lens worth a penny. 16mm is disaster. And so on... I have non, so I talk according to what I read (Photozone.de, users etc...)
Knowing the (POOOR) quality of Sony lenses, I`ll wait some practical results, tests and comments to create my own opinion. Nice collection of focal lengths and apertures, but discussable q. (Don`t confuse Sony with Zeiss-for-Sony.)
I am eager to see if there will be any compact UWA prime in the range 10-14mm. Only Fuji (14mm) and Oly (12mm) make them. No quality compact UWA prime lenses for EOS-M, NEX, or even APS-C DSLRs. Manufacturers think that their compact APS-C DSLRs are, for everybody, just a first step to full frame camera. A shame. With a compact camera, whether it is a APS-C DSLR or mirrorless, each user (or at least ME) wants a compact lens. Otherwise, what is the sense of a compact camera body?
mgrum: To everyone who thinks it's a stupid move to go up against the 135 f/2.0L - Zeiss are making this lens for different mounts, not just Canon. Thus there are many people for which the 135L is not an option!
Even for Canon users, both Zeiss 100mm macro and new 2/135mm are great close focusing f2 portrait lenses... Who can afford any of them.
Light Pilgrim: 90% of photographs are, even slightly, edited today and when viewed on the web, you will never tell a difference between a 135L and this Zeiss - so what is the point? 135L is only 50% of Zeiss's price and it has AF, which will shine on bodies like 1Dx and 5D MKIII.
What is the point to have an expensive MF lens on a body with a spectacular AF system where you can use AF 135L lens?
Well, I can talk for myself: I think this is a great portrait lens for both FF/crop bodies, and I focus portraits manually. At the moment I am using 1.8/105mm AI Nikkor on a D7000, and probably will never be able to justify this lens and D800, for example, but who can, should have a great portrait lens. Zeiss 2/100mm macro is another option. Both can close-crop face details.
I would like to see somebody makes compact primes for APS-C sensor, at least 14mm or wider UWA. Samyang is too huge on compact bodies, making their compactness obsolete.
North Borneo: OMG, what a disappointment. I hold my purchase for a year and this is what I've been waiting for? I can't wait another year. No build-in flash.
I vote for built-in EVF, not flash. EVF is what I need whenever I take a picture, flash only seldom, so it can sleep in my pocket most of the time... Idea of switching eyeglasses whenever I want to take a picture makes me sick and pain to my eyes.
Jerry-astro: Waited anxiously for this introduction and frankly am very disappointed. The lenses and the majority of the feature set look good, but the lack of an EVF? Massive FAIL IMHO. We just sold a Sony NEX-5 that we had as a second camera because the LCD was simply impossible to use for reasonable composition on a bright, sunny day. In all other respects, the camera worked quite well. Our hope was to replace it with the EOS-M system. While the system may over time evolve with models that support EVF, frankly, it's not worth the wait. Nice try, Canon, but not good enough.
I agree with you for EVF, but for another reason, as well: my aging eyes no more have accommodation for close eye-focusing, and switching eye-glasses (I use one pair for looking far away - I don`t want bifocals for that, and another for camera LCD, another for PC monitor...) each time I want to take a picture is real burden. A BUILD-IN EVF is only what helps.
qwertyasdf: EOS-M (298) + 18-55 kit (120) = 418g650D (575) + 18-55 kit (200) = 775g
418 / 775 = 53.9%
Weight savings are nice for kit lens users.
But no EVF sucks for us with aging eyes (all of you shall get sunken to that coast), so I`ll stick to xxxD EOS cameras so far.
Koulang: Why there is no wide angle or tele lenses like 10mm, 200m or 300mm for mirroless camera?
EF 200 and 300mm lenses via adapter should be OK, if you want them, but I`d appreciate a 10 or 12mm compact and quality (and cheap ;)) rectilinear prime. I miss one for xxxD (APS-C) line, too.
AshMills: Presumably the adapter for EF lenses is not optical, so should be dirt cheap?
I`d expect it to cost somewhere as a Extension Tube EF 25 II, but third party adapters should go for much less.