AllOtherNamesTaken: These cameras would be so much more appealing with PDAF pixels (like Nikon 1-series).
Pretty much no excuse not to have PDAF built in as well these days, especially at $1000+.
@AllOtherNamesTaken, "It's nowhere close yet."
I do not deny the fact that AF-C is lacking. But IMO the current fashion to lump everything into the "action" category is also wrong. For wedding, you simply do NOT need AF-C. AF-S on m43 is very fast. Somebody walking toward you is NOT action.
If it goes on like that, landscape shooters soon would be demanding AF-C to track the tree leaves and grass blades, disturbed by wind. And architecture shooters - for building which might per chance stand up and walk away.
Cipher: Some really nice upgrades to the original E-M5. The layout of the controls, EVF ,IBIS, wifi and electronic shutter are the biggest improvements. The 40MP hi-res mode is a bit too restrictive to be of real use. But why oh why didn't Olympus address the biggest weakness of m43 and add phase detect to the sensor. Why do Panasonic (DFD) and Olympus restrict their best focus system to one model?
It was. But people want better AF-C with native m43 lenses. IIRC even the E-M1 for m43 lenses uses the CDAF, not PDAF.
I think it is a weird strategy. They should have embraced the OS-PDAF and put it into all new cameras. Sony has, and that gives them marketing advantage. Despite still lagging behind m43 in the AF-S. Which is again weird. Oly doesn't user PDAF for native lenses, only legacy 43 ones and only AF-C. Sony doesn't use PDAF for AF-S. Weird. The only explanation I have is that hybrid AF - combo CDAF/PDAF, PDAF for the larger jumps, CDAF for the fine tuning - is still not ready for the market.
aandeg: Seems like a lot of manufactures are hitting the brick wall in terms of innovation, usability, and IQ. Instead we get a usless blurry hires mode and selfie mode.
Shame on us for encouraging this.
You can do it with AF-S, but it requires a skill to track subject manually, to keep it inside/close to the focus point.
Otherwise, the "4 year old camera", the Nikon 1, was more or less designed for the purpose. And that's pretty much the only thing it excels at.
Elliot H: does it still have the AA filter or am I missing something?
Unlikely. The hi-res mode more or less requires complete absence of the AA filter.
Indeed. Shame on you.
Thinking about the suggested 4 shot mode.
I wonder what once can accomplish with 2 shot mode. In the RG/GB layout, shift by one horizontally or vertically would mean combining pixels on the same lane: R+G (yellow) and G+B (cyan). Shift by one diagonally: R+B (purple) and G+G. In other words, in addition to the original color of the pixel, bit of another color gets mixed in.
Another idea is to shift by two pixels to double the information in the (inherently noisy) blue channel.
Franka T.L.: What Oly should do is to Open up that Open Source API implementation to their M4/3 range of bodied too.
Raspberry Pi enthusiasts would be very happy.
lacikuss: Interesting announcement from the market dynamics point of view. If mirrorless is the future then why waste time and energy on DSLR?
In the dwindling market, every manufacturer is after some (expensive) niche they can exploit.
DSLR shooters are used to forking $3000 and more for a camera - mirrorless shooters are not.
DSLRs are still offering something unique. While mirrorless are harbingers of the market commoditization. For as long as DSLRs offer something unique, and somebody is willing to pay for it the premium, there would be DSLRs. (Compare to MF, or rangefinders, or film. Or even the large format photography.)
dosdan: I suppose some will be interested in upgrading to FF. I'm not.
Does this mean that Pentax users will soon have to chant the "You're not a serious photographer unless you're using FF" mantra?
@tkbslc, and so it starts. But the irony is lost on the unwitting.
Samuel Spencer: Just a brief note because a few people had asked, the studio test scene was updated for the NX1 after the release of FW 1.2 because of improved JPEG NR. All shots were updated.
@Trk, Samsung in that respect is special. Their JPEG engine is by far the worst, since it is optimized as if for a P&S camera: deliver passable result, regardless. IIRC past ISO 800 NR kicks in, blurring noise - and details - away. The biggest issue is (was?) that you can't turn the NR off.
Canon, Nikon, Oly, Pana, Fuji, Sony - had JPEG engines ironed out quite early in the day. But Samsung for some reason for years blatantly ignored by far the biggest complaint against their camera. I hope that they have finally make JPEG NR optional.
PerL: "But I was hoping for some live view. Instead, when shooting at the fastest frame rate you see a series of still images as you capture them, making it difficult to follow or anticipate action through the viewfinder."
So it also got "shutter stutter" despite the hype. It seems impossible to get a proper live view while shooting fast series with a mirrorless. So now we can settle that. DSLRs still rules for serious action.
Panasonic cameras had 240fps for some time now. But the black-out is longer compared to the DSLR. To me it was an easy trade off to gain all the benefits of the LiveView EVF/LCD.
Anyhow, Digital black-out is not a new issue and I'm sure all vendors are fully aware of the problem and are working on improving it.
I doubt that Samsung would go and give you any statement. They are highly unlikely to comment officially (and thus attract more attention) to something negative relative to a DSLR.
Couscousdelight: And today Samsung presents it first Organic Sensor :http://image-sensors-world.blogspot.fr/2015/02/samsung-presents-organic-on-si-cmos.html
@nerd2, now they have joined ranks of other camera/sensor manufacturers - Canon, Sony and Panasonic (TowerJazz) - who have patented similar things over the last 5+ years. And yet no camera with such sensor has materialized. I wouldn't expect much. The new tech would arrive first on the small sensor devices anyway.
tecnoworld, not so fast.
With digital cameras, there is an exposure phase and there is a read-out phase.
The DSLR's OVF becomes available as soon as exposure is finished (and mirror has moved back). The read-out phase happens asynchronously.
The mirrorless EVF (ditto LCD) has to do black out and wait for both exposure and read-out phases to finish before it can become active again. EVF uses the sensor and for as long as it is busy with something else, there is no display possible.
As read-out speed improves, it would be less of an issue. But just not yet.
Akpinxit: this is the same ISO6400 noise I'm trying to get rid of on my 7D
You do realized that the RAW was pushed by 1.5 EV in PP? And the effective ISO is well above 12800?
mpgxsvcd: I read the review so far and I simply couldn’t help thinking that I would never buy a Canon 7D MKII over this camera. There simply wasn’t anything I saw in that review that would convince me otherwise.
Sure each camera has its own benefits and drawbacks. However, the NX1's benefits far outweigh its drawbacks and the 7D MKII’s benefits.
However, I simply can't convince anyone else that this is the camera to get. When I mention the Samsung camera they say “I would be more comfortable getting something everyone else has like a Canon”.
The average photographer cares more about not getting the “wrong” camera than the “right” camera. They don’t want to take a chance buying a camera that is inferior and no one else uses because they are afraid people will say "I told you so".
With the Canon camera they can simply say “Everyone else has it so it can’t be that bad”. Convincing people that the majority of camera buyers are wrong is a next to impossible task even though I think that is true.
@nerd2, that is not wrong per se. But "wider choice of lenses" is also misleading. If one system has 100 different lenses - but lacks 1 or 2 you actually need, then it is definitely worse to the user than a system which has the lenses one needs.
Many people are blinded by the long list of Canon L glass, without realizing that there are lots of "duplicates" there, and many of the Ls are old (almost antique) lenses.
On topic. For example, Canon has nothing like the Samsung 2.0-2.8/16-50mm lens. There is no standard L zoom which provides f/2.0 at 24mm eq.
(unknown member): Future Gold Award from DPR. No matter what.
Even without the gold, thanks to the internal 4K and the 15fps, the camera is going to turn many heads.
> the “right” camera.
There is no such thing as a "right camera". There is only "right camera for me".
As Canon users go, people who were led to believe into the "upgrade path", who bought collection of (FF) L glass but can't afford the FF camera, are simply not going to move away from the Canon: mostly because of the denial that they made a wrong decision forking off huge amount of money for the L glass. They have no choice now but to "like" Canon. They are anchored there and will not bulge. Anyway, it's not like Canon is going out of business. Their cameras are dated, but that's only what is available to the Canon shooters. So...
> Samsung's S series of lenses, such as the 10-50mm F2-2.8 S
10-50mm?? OMG, dream lens!! I'm switching systems!!! ;)
P.S. A typo obviously.
And people called GH4 "too large"...
tom1234567: £2000 and they may sell not any better than the NX1Tom G
"Adoption of this great camera by indie filmmakers and commercial shooters on a budget is definitely picking up."
The bigger point being that, now more things are possible "on a budget".
Pana GH2/3/4, Sony A7s and Sammy NX1 are slowly undoing the premium video gear market.