Sony won among the mirrorless.
Nikon won among the DSLRs.
Pana won among the compacts.
Sigma won among the lenses.
Results are as unsurprising as they get: Pana did better compacts than others for some time; ditto Sigma with lenses; ditto Sony with mirrorless; ditto Nikon with DSLRs.
All those outraged about the selfie screen! I have a product coming soon, specifically designed for you! The product would allow you to convert any camera with a selfie LCD into a good old normal camera!
Projected price: $50 per item.
You can see the concept and even buy the prototype (not yet tested as an anti-selfie remedy!) here:
I do not get the problem many readers have with the "selfie" screen.
It is still some sort of tilt LCD.
It is definitely cheaper to make than the proper tilt or swivel, and that contributes to the overall low price of the camera.
Or would people prefer the cheaper cameras like before to have no tilt at all?
Raist3d: Is the lens the same kit lens of the GM1/GM5?
Saleen1999: Ever since these Mirrorless cameras have been on the market, I still don't understand why they are so popular. Can someone explain what all the hoopla is about?
Saleen1999, finding the concrete and succinct info right now would be hard. I hope I have provided an overview, sufficient to get the initial impression.
To get more info, you can simply drop by some mirrorless forum and ask if anybody has moved from your camera model to a mirrorless, why they have moved, what they liked and didn't. Here on DPR, those are Fuji X, Sony NEX and Micro Four Thirds forums.
> Can someone explain what all the hoopla is about?
To me personally: smaller cameras + smaller lenses == carry anywhere package. Though sadly, at the moment pretty much only m43 is truly smaller than the rest. Samsung has small decent lenses - but no decent body to put them on.
Some are attracted to the EVF. Unlike OVF, it can show what the final image would look like before taking the shot (including WB and exposure compensation). And things like focus peeking (makes manual focus totally usable) are simply impossible on OVF.
Some are attracted to the CDAF. Since the same sensor is used for the image acquisition and the focus acquisition, it solve back-/front-focusing problems of the PDAF once and for all. Lens regardless.
Some are attracted to the absence of the mirror and complete absence of the mirror slap. (E.g. for macro work.)
If you an amateur, snapping stuff, then probably only the size advantage might be interesting. If you are pro - depends on the type of work.
Mr Olympian: I never would have considered Samsung, but a look at their history in other markets, along with the NX1 and the giant firmware updates has changed my mind. If you don't agree, get your hands on a NX1 and you very well may change your mind too.
LOL, monkeybrain. Have you seen the rumors?
NX500 - no EVF.
At this point of time, it is simply unbelievable.
Every NXnnn camera release after NX100 was expected to have an EVF. Including the launch of NX400 which didn't happen because of the change of the management and the great rethink. Sadly the end result is the same...
mgatov: On a recent trip to Disneyland, I observed that 95% of the cameras I saw people holding were DSLRs. I think their demise is premature.
In Europe it doesn't rule yet - simply on rise.
slippedcurve623: Yea I'm a dslr fan and yea it's just a matter of time before mirrorless takes up say 90% of the sales BUT I dn't think mirrorless will ever overtake/catch up dslr's in one area and that is its AF I'm an sports photographer how have been using the canon 1d series since the original 1d and each generation had an large improvement for sports and I dn't think mirrorless will ever catchup to the future 1d line (1dx ii/1d mk 5) though I do understand most photographers dn't shoot sports for an career so they won't need that kind of heavy powerhouses but the problem with current mirrorless is still the af ability I, I shot with an a6000 which is suppose to be one of the best in af but only got an 20% sharp keeper rate when I was shooting an moving subject on the beach in bright daylight :-( so yea mirrorless gotta improve in the af for us sports photographers or even indoor wedding photographers before it can be treated seriously.
@Plastek, The fallacy you use is called "appeal to extremes". Just so that you know.
Say, the future mirrorless would have the AF time of 0.001s and the future DSLR of 0.000001s. The DSLR is *thousand* times faster! But how much of the real world advantage that would present? Zero, zip, zilch, nada.
LEGACYMOMENTSPHOTOGRAPHY: I have DSLRS, a film SLR and a mirrorless. To be honest i use what i feel is the right tool, they all do the same job just in differnt ways! i feel people worry about DSLR vs Mirrorless and brand rivials who really cares just pick the camera for your needs and go out and SHOOT!!!! and ENJOY!!!!
> Right tool for everything
"If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail."
COSTISTOICA: Yes, but only if DSRL producers stop to develop their research. Other way the difference between DSRL and mirrorless will be the same !
I have went with mirrorless precisely because DSLR producers have already stopped their research and development in the area which is important to me: small compact lenses.
volks 1: Interesting read.
Too late. Interwebs are already swept by the knee jerk reaction of the masses who never read past the headline.
lcf80: Samsung: and what about AF performance in low light situations? Any chance it will be improved by future firmware updates?
References to the ColorFoto.de -> junk.
> I made the same experience so far...
That's more credible. Probably it was fixed already in previous FW update.
Previous reviews all as one complained that in low-light NX1 AF is a hit and miss, literally: about half of shots are in focus, and half are out of focus.
HowaboutRAW: Samsung needs to provide free software (say for download) that will convert the H265 videos this camera shoots, at all resolutions, into the more editor/playback friendly H264 format.
Yes, I realize that GOM, LightAlloy and VLC will play this H265 format, but for some time editing is going to be real difficult sans conversion to H264.
And even the new 5K Mac struggles to play video from this Samsung camera--using VLC for Mac. The Panasonic LX100 4K files play without trouble on the same Mac.
It matters not that Samsung would be giving this software away free for use by any competitor which also chooses to use the H265 format to record MP4 video, since for more than a few months people will ignore the video features on this camera, if the video can be edited.
Windows 10 Beta plays H265 natively in Windows Media Player.
@HowaboutRAW, well I do not have H.265 material to play with, so I can't help you. I can only recommend to ask "professionals": go to http://forum.doom9.org/ and ask there on the general forum. Doom9 - http://www.doom9.org/ - is a bleeding edge internet community for video coding/decoding.
intruder61: Bold statement from Samsung considering not one of their cameras ranks in the top 100 in sales.
Hu? Samsung became top#1 phone manufacturers 2-3 years before the smartphone boom. It is the Samsung who has pulled the market from under the slumbering Nokia. They were selling the (dumb)phones in numbers like 100M/year. Smarphones only relatively recently reached the 50% of market volume.
fmian: 'Also the electronic viewfinder in the NX1 has been improved, and the time delay is very short - just five milliseconds. So there’s no lag.'
- five milliseconds- no lag
The point was: fast or detailed, pick one. Human eye/brain combination can't provide both. And 5ms lag time of EVF trumps any timing.
Also, the "phenomenal detail" is only in the center of the "frame", where the density of the optical nerves is very high. Off the center, density is pretty low. The "lots of the little exposures" do not even start to explain it, because the little exposures are stitched together by the brain and presented as if it was only one. Delays are long. We generally do not notice it because when brains are active, the perception of time slows/time goes faster.
All in all, human eye/brain combination does all the things some purists so deject in cameras: lots of cheating like "software" corrections, artificial multi-exposure HDR, artificial sharpening.
"Okay I tried it, and with it set for "high", it converted a 200MB H265 file into a 50MB H264 file."
Handbrake is designed to convert for home use. Default presets are not designed for high quality/high bitrates. You need to set the bitrates manually.
In my antique version of Handbrake, on the video tab, one should manually enter the desired bitrate for the video stream. (For audio, use coded "Auto Passthru".)
"Oh, and whatever "MP4 H264" format results won't play back video in Windows Media Player."
MP4 support in Windows Media Player was always sub par. Ditto Mac's QuickTime Player (despite MP4 being official format). Sad unfortunate truth. :(
"So it's a mess, a free mess, but not great."
Long story short: MP4 is extremely complex container format. Most players support only fraction of it. Nobody supports 100% of it. The players bundled with OS support much less than the free players.
That is the reason why people use the alternative container formats like MKV.
The human brain has lag of about 50ms.
Yes, it takes about 50ms for image seen by the eyes to be made into an image in the brains.
The lag can be shorter under circumstances, but then less of the image details are being perceived by the brain.
The way we human process visual information is far far from instantaneous and far far from highly detailed.
ThePhilips: IMO Samsung needs:
1. NX300 with EVF. I might have bought it. Alas.
2. Pay Sigma and Tamron to make lenses for NX. Single vendor systems are too risky and is a competitive disadvantage in the eyes of the users.
Also. I assume their camera division loses money. IMO they should double down on it, and make NX system truly open for both lens and camera manufacturers.
> I would prefer if NX was open system like NEX E-mount.
E-mount is not open!
E-mount is only open to the lens manufacturers!
To put the mount on a camera body one still needs the special permission from the Sony. (Check the Wikipedia's entry.)
That's what I mean by "double down": make it open to both lens and camera manufacturers; make it open royalty-free and w/o NDAs.
MF lenses are for the old guys. Here. I said it.