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igorek7: It sounds like a good challenge, especially after shooting with Canon 1D mkIV.:
"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdwrUZerzSU"
I hope we will learn some tips from Dean on how to shoot sports with Panasonic G5, which turns out to be a great camera.
Funny video. The only high-end/full-frame/pro-level capability of the camera used was the short shot-to-shot time. Because the guys were most of the time hammering the shutter button all the time.
The Canon's vision - where future camera would simply shoot full-res "video," allowing you later to pick good shots out of the stream - isn't that far off the mark.
marike6: This is how DxOMark tested the D3200 and the E-PL3, the reviewers pick for an entry level SLR type camera.
Olympus E-PL3
Overall Score 52
Color Depth 20.9 bits
Dynamic Range 10,3 Evs
Low-Light ISO 499 ISO
Nikon D3200
Overall Score 81
Color Depth 24.1 bits
Dynamic Range 13.2 Evs
Low-Light ISO 1131 ISO
So the D3200 at 24 mp is over a full stop better at high ISO ability than the E-PL3 with 3 EV better DR. So given the same aperture, you'll be able to shoot at a lower ISO on the D3200. So the D3200 doesn't have as many cheesy Art Filters and slightly slower LiveView performance, but a much sharper 920 K LCD than the E-PL3.
It's frankly shocking that DPR is pushing a slippery little grip-less camera with a 3 year old sensor (same as the E-PL1) over a new DSLR with NEX-7 type IQ, access to over 140 Nikkors (and countless third party lenses), and an optical VF and yes, LiveView, if you must.
For pete sake, marike, please do let it go. And please shut up. It seems almost as if the heat got to you.
I have come here to read the user comments, but the comment section of the review is literally flooded by your deranged mumblings. Which are of no value to anybody. And it makes impossible to find the *real* *user/owner* opinions on the camera.
ThePhilips: Overall I like it. Most of all - the 22mm pancake.
Crossing fingers that both the camera and lens hold up against the competition.
P.S. DPR, while we are on topic of the small mirrorless: is the Panasonic GF5 review in pipe-line? It has reportedly new 12MP sensor.The studio shots for the IQ comparison widget would be greatly appreciated.
@NetMage, that was about my opinion as well.
But for the autumn I want to have a small, always with me camera with versatile prime. (Tried it last year with my Oly E620 DSLR + 1.4/25mm - relatively small package. It was mostly fine, except still large-ish to have it constantly with me or even in the bag.)
At the moment the best fitting option I have found is the Panny GF5 + 1.7/20mm (with potential step up later to GH3 or G5). I keep an eye on Sammy (NX210/NX20 + 20mm + 30mm) too, but it is hard to find an in-depth review and I know personally not a single NX owner. Bummer.
Now. A new system which has at launch a pancake fitting the bill?... From an established camera manufacturer? Yes, please!
AshMills: Presumably the adapter for EF lenses is not optical, so should be dirt cheap?
It would have to contain conversion electronics. So dirt cheap they will not be.
For the taste of price, you can check prices for 1st party FourThirds to MicroFourThirds adapters: Olympus MMF-2, Olympus MMF-3 (weather-sealed) and Panasonic DMW-MA1. (In Germany - 140€ and upwards.)
Edit1: The simple Sony's Alpha to NEX adapter in Germany also goes for 140€.
Overall I like it. Most of all - the 22mm pancake.
Crossing fingers that both the camera and lens hold up against the competition.
P.S. DPR, while we are on topic of the small mirrorless: is the Panasonic GF5 review in pipe-line? It has reportedly new 12MP sensor.The studio shots for the IQ comparison widget would be greatly appreciated.
No orientation sensor? Again??
That's ridiculous. Even cheapest P&S have them this days.
Ropo16: Forget this hatchet job. Look at Robin Wong real world samples:
http://robinwong.blogspot.co.uk/
Or more precisely:
http://robinwong.blogspot.co.uk/2012/07/olympus-mzuiko-75mm-f18-review-street.html
kamenal: How do you explain a much inferior IQ of the P310 vs P300 on Studio Comparison Tool?
Thanks.
+1. There is clear lack of sharpness in the test shots.
LJohnK2: ....another lackluster P&S offering from Nikon, very disappointing....not sure why a company that makes such great DSLR's can't make a decent compact
Because a decent compact at current tech level easily replaces an entry-level DSLR in about 90% of shooting situations. But they'd rather have you buy a DSLR anyway.
ThePhilips: Not bad! Canon is the first who attempts a smooth move to the mirrorless. Wouldn't work due to PDAF-optimized lenses, but can't blame them for trying. Who knows, they might even think something up for the lenses!
P.S. Unlike Olympus, dropping dead its DSLRs (and abandoning their users) completely, rendering great (and rather expensive) zooms pretty useless chunks of (expensive) glass.
Indeed I have. The amount of minor stuff inside had overwhelmed me :)
Not bad! Canon is the first who attempts a smooth move to the mirrorless. Wouldn't work due to PDAF-optimized lenses, but can't blame them for trying. Who knows, they might even think something up for the lenses!
P.S. Unlike Olympus, dropping dead its DSLRs (and abandoning their users) completely, rendering great (and rather expensive) zooms pretty useless chunks of (expensive) glass.
D1N0: Too bad about the af. That should have been done right and this camera would be much more interesting. It also needs a swivel screen. Pentax should buy some good af tech.
Better AF tech will not help much.
The K-mount lenses are tuned for PDAF - not CDAF.
Oly has good AF tech in m43 cameras - but it doesn't work for most of the legacy 43 lenses.
Why no Wi-Fi and no app for m43 cameras?
Remote control would - to me - make the swivel LCD redundant AND available on the cameras where it is not included.
Literally all lenses are zoom by wire: the cameras should be able to even allow zooming via such remote control app.
Gesture: DPReview has given the newest 16 Megapixel micro 4/3rds sensors high praise. I still think APS-C provides better image quality. If the lenses, costs, size keep growing, I think one might as well choose a compact APS-C DSLR. Nikon and Canon don't even try in that area. Don't abandon your APS-C DLSRs, Canon and Nikon. Just make a compact one.
NO big deal, but I never considered 150mm a portrait lens. 135mm was a standard, but I'd rather work with 85-105mm, even less for a real portrait in context. Even 85mm is tight.
> If the lenses, costs, size keep growing
You interpret the news strangely. There are cheaper lenses and there are cheaper bodies.
It's just that Olympus and Panasonic, along with cheaper gear started producing also expensive gear.
The release hasn't shrunk our options - it has increased them.
ThePhilips: The church of equivalency has many followers this days.
Correlates well with poor math scores in US.
At least I see no other explanation why many people here can't grasp meaning of the simple math term like "ratio."
> Once it becomes a fact, it no longer requires faith.
Math is a science. Science doesn't require faith. Science by definition is based on observable facts - not facts established by "faith." With the "faith" thing, please seek help of either priest or psychologist.
> Since you seem to be fond of ratios, which is larger, 70/2.8 or 35/2.8? How about 50/2.8 or 35/2.8
"Larger?" Trick question. What metric precisely you use to define the "largeness"?
If you are talking about the f-numbers, then all f/2.8 lenses have an equal f-number. 2.8 == 2.8. Kind'a stating obvious (that's even more primitive than math) but, well, you asked.
> The church of the m43 is fond of larger sensors and their benefits when comparing their cameras to point and shoot cameras.
Never heard a single m43 user claiming that P&S/compacts suddenly have f/20 or f/25 lenses. Not even once.
The church of equivalency has many followers this days.
Correlates well with poor math scores in US.
At least I see no other explanation why many people here can't grasp meaning of the simple math term like "ratio."
bradleyg5: A lens everybody will want, but nobody could justify.
It's something tangible we all can dream about.
In the end: still cheaper and more useful than the Leicas.
DPR, how deep in your review pipeline the NX20 is? When one approximately can expect it?
No pancake kits though is a bummer.
FastFisher: want
Body only
or
Prime kits
+1 to a kit with a prime, e.g. 20mm or 30mm.
Sony NEX has kits with 16mm (eq 24mm).
Oly m43 has kits with 17mm (eq 35mm).
Panny m43 has kits with 14mm (eq 28mm).
Samsung NX - nothing.
The mirrorless are sold on the merit of size advantage. Not providing a kit which actually leverages the size advantage is very shortsighted IMO.
Excellent.