AngryCorgi: Samsung has become the biggest "me too" company on the planet. Let's release an identical camera to every other one except we'll design the exterior "scheme" to mimic Fujifilm's X series or an old film camera. That will differentiate it.
Apple fanbois infiltrated DPR.
People, get a clue: Samsung NX was the first APS-C mirrorless system.
Improved JPEG engine? Years on - nothing changes - I probably should stop asking.
P.S. $479 for the 20-50 kit. Nice price, Samsung!
Mark 2 - yet still sluggish as the Mark 1.
Sadly, I probably should stop expecting from the Canon any decent compact. Hopes were high when they have dismissed mirrorless as a temporary fad. Yet, Canon not only failed to deliver a competition worthy enthusiast-level compact, but also tried to launch its own mirrorless system. Go figure.
Gesture: It never fails. The number and metal awarded are not supported by the quite substantial and honest Negatives in the conclusion. Canon doesn't try hard enough-for $800.
Canon never fails Canon fans. /s
five5pho: nice form factor but there are so many alternatives to this
It all depends on the price. The cheaper kit on the IndieGoGo page was selling for $30.
Snowbird_UT: Like most Government agencies, they started out as a good idea and then grew into a massive organization run amuck!
You know, it hadn't happened without a friendly lobbying from the private sector.
HomoSapiensWannaBe: I think Amazon has a patent for one-click ordering. Is that a unique idea worthy of legal protection? I don't think so...
Couscousdelight: Olympus does the same, and no one seems to complaint.Personnaly, i don't like this at all, they sell prime lenses which in fact are not real primes... optically speaking.
I don't want a prime lens who need computer assistance to deliver full perfromances.
> Olympus does the same, and no one seems to complaint.
What you mean no one complained??? Lots of people complained!!!
The software correction in E-M1 was and still is the *major* source of complains. Because unlike Panasonic who has done it for years, Oly added lens correction only starting with the E-M1.
IOW, P&O were never hiding it. In fact, the opposite: advertising it. Because people were *asking* for it. There are affordable pancake lenses which to be usable in JPEG-only mode require software correction.
And it is still a complain because Oly could add the software lens correction via firmware update to older cameras. But they obviously will not.
Higuel: First Sonyblad and now feica! What a shame that markting and other professionals have dominated the photo industry instead of thos ewho indeed like to and do make Photography!!!
> and now Feica
Bifrost1000: Would love to see a lens comparo between this 18-56mm Leica lens and the kit mirrorless lenses from Olympus, Panasonic, Fuji, and Canon.
Also a comparo between the 23mm Leica mirrorless lens and the 23mm Fuji and 22mm Canon EOS M lens.
I'd wager the supposed optical superiority of the Leica mirrorless lens would not be as great as Leica marketing claims, and the massive price premium for the little red dot would seem even more ridiculous.
Leica lenses were never as stellar as many fans are claiming.
The lenses have very pleasing and attractive rendering, which many find is worth the price. But one can't see the rendering perks in the charts.
Cheapest way to experience it, is to ask around for owners of Panasonic Leica 25mm for 43 system. Make few portraits with the lens and you will see the magic. The m43 variant of the lens still has the "magic" but less so. (I have the PL25 for 43 so I know it firsthand.)
plasnu: Please cut the body to check if it is not made of plastic.
Literally any recent camera would survive a fall to hard floor. Metal bodies would dent. Plastic (actually fiber-plastic) bodies would scratch. Welcome to the future.
ludwik123: Let us postpone the Leica bashing until we get actual production samples and test them extensively against the cheaper mirrorless rivals!
No person who just forked $$$$ for a Leica, would be interested in comparing it to cheaper alternatives. Neither a user of the cheaper alternatives.
Anyway, since IQ is a highly subjective mater, they would claim that Leica still outperformes everything.
In the end, having already forked $$$$, the consumer guilt would force person to see the Leica in better light than the alternatives.
Leica knows it too. That's the reason for the excessive attention to design and minutiae: give something immediately obvious for buyers to praise.
l_d_allan: Tempest in a teacup?
For Leica - definitely not.
They have built their brand exclusivity in part on the well advertised fact that they do NOT resort to cheap tricks like software corrections. Because they are SO dedicated to the optical perfection.
But who knows. It might in the eyes of the fans even add to the exclusivity of the M cameras: because they are the proper perfection, no cheap software tricks.
jackf00: Still neither Final review nor First impression review of the already shipping GH4 flagship from Panasonic.Shame on DPReview !!While most of competitor site of DPReview have already posted at least a long Preview or a Review, DPReview still don't go further than a single short and poor half page "quick summary" of the GH4 new Panasonic's flagship , three month after annoucement and now after it is released and shipping.What a pity !
Not first time for Panasonic products, as DPReview provided the final Review of GH3 only 7 monthes after announcement and 5 monthes after release !Same for GX7 and generally speaking for every Panasonic product !
What's the reason ? Come on DP Review, be more professional !
DPR doesn't like Pana cameras. I'm not sure why you wait for their review. IQ of GH4 would be very very close to that of GX7 and GM1. Video too isn't DPRs strong point. The minor Pana features, not present in CaNikons, would be as always downplayed or ignored. The minor problems or differences to CaNikon would be slightly exaggerated and given negative connotation. All in all, the review would imply that it is a good cam but, but, but, but, but, but. Lots of "but"s.
Houseqatz: Quick, somebody compare it to a dSLR 0_o
No OVF, no dedicated AE lock button, no 2.8/70-200 lens available - no buy.
xt1isdabomb: I don't want zoom, I want a larger sensor. Give me the biggest sensor you can slam in the thing, and use the best periscoping lens money can buy at a fixed 30 something mm focal length. That's all.
RX100 was released quite some time ago.
Rage Joe: Hand in Germany
I kind of hate Leicas. Like this futile one piece aluminium body that some fool "in Germany" has even been polishing, by hand, for an hour or whatever it took.
Well, that because they don't expect to sell enough of these chunkies to be able to set up a proper production line with precision automatic equipment. So the poor guys at leica have to do it by hand. Hopefully they don't manufacture the sensor "by hand" "in GERMANY" too.
There is no *law* for minimum wage in Germany. Most of the time labor unions negotiate it. If there is no labor union for the industry, one can file complain in court if you feel like your salary is too low.
AFAICT Leica is overseen by the IG Metall labor union. The union sets and negotiates the wages, including the minimum one, on behalf of the employees. I doubt they earn very much, but considering how long they work for Leica, I'm pretty sure they earn well enough.
pedromeyer: Leica, seems to do a few things right, and then many more wrong. Get better advisors for starters. The ones you have, suck. You are not Apple, let us get that matter out of the way, no sense imitating them.
"You are not Apple, let us get that matter out of the way, no sense imitating them."
Leica is a great experiment: what would it take to have a "Made in Germany" camera? (Well, made in Germany, for as much as it is feasible.)
Reality is, whatever Leica does in Germany, without extensive out-sourcing, it would be expensive. Thus the luxury and exclusive goods are the only path for them. And the path they took.
I do applaud their will to preserve the camera and lens manufacturing in Germany. I do condemn what they produce. And finally I still find their customers gullible and snobbish.
miine: Let's say the total costs for a worker is about 6000 EUR per month. And with holidays etc. the average days of work per month are 16. Further assume that in 8 hours of work only 8 bodies will be polished. So we have
6000 EUR/month / 16 days/month / 8 bodies/day = 46,875 EUR per Body (approx. 64 US$)
Thats nothing! Think about it the other way around: WHY don't you get the same level of craftsmanship from other japanese or chinese companies for much less?
THOSE COMPANIES DON'T CARE.
LEICA DOES CARE about those - maybe subtle - visual and haptic differences.
If this world would be fair and heaven everybody - me included - could afford a T. To bad it isn't and I can't. But for those who can afford one and care about such details which make the Leica T unique - it's nice that it exists... even if that means that making the owner "happy" is its only purpose .
Others make themselves feel better by arguing against the T. Seems to work too...
"WHY don't you get the same level of craftsmanship from other japanese or chinese companies for much less?"
You are talking about aesthetics, not craftsmanship. Canon or Nikon or Olympus or Fuji craftsmanship is by far better than that of Leica for simple reason because they cameras pack more features and functionality.
And aesthetic plays only marginal role in purchase decisions. It adds $100-200-more to the overall cost and, duh, makes the camera $100-200 more expensive. Now, what camera one would buy, one which supports more shooting scenarios or the one which looks better and on top of it is more expensive??
badi: It would have been nice if the zoom lenses were some like their tri-elmar lenses for M. Also the aesthetics should be similar. For the price... and sensor size... 3.5-5.6 sounds so... sad. Some Tri-Elmar 18-35-56 F/2.8 would make so much more sense ... or at least 3.5.
The body is beautiful, but it has to stay with some lens on it... and if the lens are not of the same style & beauty .... well...
"but with a camera like this it makes much more sense to have a zoom"
The question is: does Tri-Elmarit has IQ of a prime or of a zoom?
If it is former, then I want one for m43, please.