tecnoworld: Still no samsung nx300 in the image quality db. It's been out for almost 6 months now. And this om-d, with smaller sensor, is immediately in the database. Puah.
@Steppenwolf: "... but what does that say about DPR when a manufactorer has to dig in it's wallet to get it's camera tested?"
Manufacturers pay nothing, but they are expected to provide a camera on a lease to reviewer. Because that would skew reviews even more, if reviewers were reviewing their personally owned gear.
In context of Samsung, DPR was mentioning not once, that they often do not provide cameras for reviews or provide them very late. DPR normally only gets a sample for the post announcements hands-on, but not for reviews.
Zvonimir Tosic: In the last year, three absolutely fantastic and innovative cameras from Olympus, one fantastic from Panasonic, plenty of great new lenses. All going up in quality and performance -- The whole m4/3 in high wave riding.And from DSLR makers? Innovation in deep slumber: Nikon and Canon repackage, dumb and scale down, Pentax busy with repainting of the same old cameras, Sony even mocks the DSLR shape by squeezing in it an ultracheap mirrorless camera.Who would have guessed ...
"And from DSLR makers?"
70D was a slight disappointment, but then DSLR users are already happy with what they have.
DSLR market stagnates. But then, "stagnation" is another word for "stability".
(And that coming from somebody how has just ordered a new m43 cam.)
@Leandros S: "decent mirrorless $1500 or more." If you could only subdue your GAS for a short moment. E-M5 now can be found for $800. E-PL5 and E-PM2 with the very same IQ - for much much much less. Panny G5 with almost the same IQ as the Canon APS-C now has very crazy deals too.
Another largish 35mm eq prime lens... Now in a Fuji X flavor. *Yawn*
Markol: This is a very interesting article but may I just give you my opinion?Given how many cameras are still not reviewed yet I cannot understand why you assign Jeff to reviewing underwater cameras and writing articles about the history of digital cameras.Again, it's interesting, but puzzling why you chose this over reviews of current interesting cameras.
Hi Jeff! I know you are lying! How many times do you think I myself gave that excuse to my managers? ;) Otherwise, do not overstretch yourself. Little detour (like the excellent write-up (2-lens Kodak clearly won IMO)) only helps the productivity. Creative mind is a beast which feeds on distractions.
CameraLabTester: These companies will now rely on the feedback of "early bird users" to see if their innovation will take off.
Hurry, buy now... they are waiting for your gripes, ...err, feedback.
Eye-Fi is a very well established product which was on the market for many many years now.
Other card manufacturers are catching up, but Eye-Fi brand and products are rather well known.
Artpt: Wonderful article...I just returned an EZ Share card that was not compatible with an OMD EM5. Given your information, I plan on purchasing the Eye-Fi.
Click on vendor, click on specific camera, and the page would show particulars about compatibility of the card and the camera. There is an E-M5 compatibility note that basically says that E-M5 recognizes the Eye-Fi and knows what to do. IIRC earlier PENs had minor problems, but later Oly cams do support and recognize Eye-Fi fully.
Mike, a nice write-up. Long overdue, too.
Previously I could only find assorted Eye-Fi reviews, which were mostly concentrating on the point-and-shoot perspective, in other words: "OMG wi-fi! OMG instant facebook!" To see the cards working on the 5D3 is rather reassuring.
Otherwise, for a next review, you might consider adding:- Impact on the battery life.- How fast the actual SD card is? How fast can camera write to it?- Compatibility with the cameras aka impact of camera's sleep on the Wi-Fi transfers. IIRC, not all cameras a compatible with Eye-Fi.
P.S. You might have added few more clicks/views to the article by starting it with something like "let me tell you the reason why there are no full-metal body cameras anymore." ;)
viking79: People need to remember that an android phone like a Galaxy S4 is actually around $650, you pay for it monthly in your data plan. This camera is basically a a smart phone merged with camera hardware, it is understandable it is expensive. It's far more powerful computing device than any other camera on the market, but will it sell? I would have preferred $1200 or so.
"it is understandable it is expensive."
Not really. The device had potential to *start* something new in the market.
Here is the catch 22. Nobody needs an Android camera, if there are no interesting apps for it. There would be no apps for an Android camera, if there are no actual Android cameras available.
The asking price of 16 hundred for all practical purposes equivalent to "no actual Android cameras available."
To start something new, one might need to sustain some losses. Consumer electronics is full of the examples: DVD playes, DVRs, BlueRay/HD-DVD, video consoles - in the beginning, many were sold at loss just to help create and expand the market.
"It's far more powerful computing device than any other camera on the market [...]"
And what is the point of being so powerful, if the Android developers would be turned off by the price? Apps don't write themselves - you need a third party for that. And there should be something for the third party in it too.
wictred: I guess they still sell quite a few copies if the price goes down to 1200-1300$.
In the Samsung forum people are already comparing it to the EOS 70D and explain how much worse the 70D is compared to the Galaxy NX.
The only comparison to 70D I have seen was that you can get 70D and Galaxy S4 for the price of the Galaxy NX. (Or NX300 + S4 + small pile of lenses.)
People there are as dumbfounded as everyone else.
pca7070: X3 sensor is the way to go.
I hear you man. As far as rumors tell us, IIRC Sony, Panny and Canon are all working on the true 3-color sensor designs. Yet, the overall sensitivity of the all the designs is simply unsatisfactory at the moment. IOW, it makes no business sense to bring to the market another sensor with all the quirks of the Foveon, including the poor mid/high ISO performance.
I wish the tech was able to actually adjust the strength of the AA filter.
Still, a very exciting development.
ogl: It's branding camera. And testing of technology.The price is not important.
If you test technology - you want it to be in as many hands as possible. (It is not unheard of the test stuff to be given away for free!)
The only test here is how many people have spare 1.7K laying around with nothing better to spend on.
That is just unbelievable. I think Sammy has just made a very very big mistake.
But that confirms it: the heads of the Samsung imaging business have very poor grasp on reality.
They should have priced the camera at around, say, $600-800 where it would have been accessible to enterprising enthusiast who might be interested in writing new apps for such device. The new apps might have provided new and unique features which might have made the device attractive to broader audience (or to the users of a number of generally neglected photography niches).
AEndrs: Hmmm... my educated guess is that, based on the price, they will sell..... hmm.... 3 of them.... no, 4, maybe the mother of the CEO will feel the moral obligation to buy one.
5 - you forgot the head of marketing, the person who proposed the price in the first place.
SDF: The question is will you get the Sony's APS-C sensor a3000 with lens for $400 or wait for rumor Olympus' m4/3 EM-1 $1500 body only?
@SDF: "The question is ..."
LOL I first giggled at your question (which I had to read twice). But then I read the responses... LOL People here have forgotten what humor is. Time for everybody to relax and go read the fresh caturday image threads.
Dimit: Predictions:1. Will definately be a best seller2. E-mount gear will definately benefit in general3. DSLR crap,irrespective apsc or m43 (G.. Pana,d3...Nikon,Rebels..Canon) will be substantially cheaper within the next 2-3 months4. Upgrades will follow for sure,a lot of variables can be easily optimised5. IQ similar to sony apsc brothers.In fact the luck of physical controls doesn't prevent that6. If there would be a dpr review which would normally get 75,will eventually get 80 due to the price issue!!7. Nobody is going to use it with other than the kit lens..no need!!Decoding all,merely 300,comments above:80% of them seem to like the idea of this cost/efficiency efford.It tells something,doesn't it?
@AbrasiveReducer, nailed it. Most people are driven by marketing. Marketing by the quantifiable parameters (aka: numbers) is the most effective.
dmanthree: This camera reminds me of an exchange I had with someone at a wedding years go. He looked at my SLR, and said "I have to get one of those cameras." I asked why, and he replied that "I've been told that cameras with that bump on the top (the prism) can take pictures in the dark." He'd snap up one of these new Sonys in a second. This new Sony is bogus, but just might be a sales success. You never know.
@Joe, you do know that sensor is only small part of the whole image taking device? and high ISOs are useless if camera fails to AF? or still busy writing the last frame? or user simply can't compose with the subpar LCD or EVF? People are sooo fixated on sensors this days...
BTW, the cam has a HDMI out. Wonder if it would be possible to substitute the poor LCD and EVF with a small external display.
Sony has made a great many compromises.
Still $400 kit launch price point was never challenged before. For that alone IMO Sony deserves the praise.
After reading the first impressions, though, I'm not so sure that the camera is really capable of going against the current crop of prev-gen cameras - the cameras which have the street price of the $400 right now. (Panasonic G5 kits can be found at the price and G5 has decent (swivel!) LCD and decent EVF.)
P.S. I would have never expected that the A3000 would be actually larger than the Panasonic G6. But no: G6 is actually smaller.
Tee1up: $400...with a lens. Amazing. I can't wait for the deep review.
@tkbslc, yes, I forgot to mention that I'm comparing the street price with the launch price. Still A3000 would have to compete with the cameras. My comment was about how brave Sony is to target the entry-level market so aggressively. Frankly, when last time anyone has seen DSLRs (and EVILs) being so affordable? The *new* ones so affordable? Great times to shop for a camera, definitely.