Ben O Connor: I am a micro43user... But Folks....
is the OMD-EM1 that good? Even better than APS-C sensor? Smilar sized to a DSLR as capable without mirror ?
Thanks to GH-3, mirrorless is already very capable video maker... But em1's price... Size... COMPARE TO K-3 !?
oh come on ...
@Heie2, but let's for a moment compare something standard and more relevant, than the obscure FL primes:
or standard primes:
Sensible1: None of the winners or the runnerups are the "best". They are just the ones that folks voted for.
> None of the winners or the runnerups are the "best".
There is no abstract measure of quality. Quality is always defined by a metric.
> They are just the ones that folks voted for.
As you have rightly guessed, the metric DPR has used was "popular vote".
IOW, the products are the best of 2013 as judged by the popular vote.
igorek7: I guess, the success of the Panasonic GX7 has encouraged Samsung to make the NX30's EVF tiltable ;-)
@Revenant, true. The tilting EVF is not a novelty. I have watched couple of GX7 reviews by video folks. They were like "eh, normal tiltable EVF, moving on". Video cameras (even some consumer-level ones) had/have tilting EVFs for very long time now.
Have they improved JPEG engine? Or at least allow any NR control at all now?
Bulva: It is a shame that Christmas became a "season", "holiday". I do not mind whether You are Muslim, Jewish or else as nonetheless Your political correctness the 25th and 26th of December would always be Christmas time. Forever.Merry Christmas and Happy New Year from Poland.
Commercialization is the root of all evil. Easter ware appears on shelves in January - Christmas in September. Mixes nicely with the Halloween fare btw ;)
Happy New Year!
wootpile: Dpreview: What lens did you use?
For the studio test: the Pentax 50mm f/2.8 lens. (Hover the 'i' button.)
RFC1925: Looks like Samsung's sensor technology is no longer behind the competition but ahead. Excellent results.
@dagobah, two main problems with DxO:
1. Many of their numbers (or better: difference in numbers) do not correlate with the real world IQ.
2. Some cameras with the same sensor often score very differently, suggesting that their "measurements" are very imprecise.
Otherwise, I largely base my camera purchases on lenses (lens catalog and lens I intend to use primarily with the camera), rather than on bodies. IQ of all cameras got sufficiently good to not to care about it.
kimchiflower: Samsung ILC = Pentax DSLR:
[x] bodies well-featured and good value[x] some excellent lenses[x] top quality IQ[ ] available at all good quality camera retailers
@Marty:Sammy vs. Sony: Lenses.Sammy vs. Fuji: Price.
Sammy dropped prices considerably. The NX300 with 18-55 kit can be found now for less than 450€ in Germany. Incredible price/performance.
Lenses also recently lost some chunk of their price. The pancakes - 20mm and 30mm - can be found for less than 150-200€. The 12-24 - for about 500€, the cheapest 1st party UWA option I'm aware of.
@RFC1925Sammy sensors were always good. Crappy JPEG engine causes most of the bad publicity (and IMO rightfully so!).
@Leandros S> according to DxOMark.
DxO? Really? The pseudoscience for photographers? The placebo pill for the lacking skill?
"Images are not enough of the proof of the IQ! Give me the made up numbers instead!"
Alexis D: Wish the kit lens could be a smaller 12-25mm.
The 12-32 is about the size of Oly 2.8/17mm. It's ridiculously tiny. If you go even smaller, you would have problems mounting/dismounting it, because fingers wouldn't have enough surface to grip on.
diforbes: Score of 81 seems high for the number and type of "cons."
It's OK in case of Canons and Nikons.
It's only other inferior brands which must suffer for their faults.
CameraLabTester: There is a big difference between voting with a button click and voting with the wallet.
What DPR should do is to review the results of this survey to ACTUAL SALES of the same period.
Now THAT would be a very interesting article to digest.
Good DPR assignment too.
Regardless, this survey is fun exercise for DPR viewers.
"Now THAT would be a very interesting article to digest."
Look closer. Below the article, look for "Gear in this story" table with "I own it" vs. "I want it" vs. "I had it".
The "I own it" numbers:
503 Olympus OM-D E-M1182 Panasonic Lumix DMC-GX7152 Fujifilm X-E2125 Sony Alpha 7118 Sony Alpha 7R77 Olympus PEN E-P576 Panasonic Lumix DMC-GM161 Fujifilm X-M158 Samsung NX30036 Nikon 1 AW125 Sony Alpha NEX-5T3 Samsung Galaxy NX
The "I want it" numbers:
381 Sony Alpha 7R332 Olympus OM-D E-M1321 Sony Alpha 7222 Panasonic Lumix DMC-GM1139 Fujifilm X-E2104 Panasonic Lumix DMC-GX767 Nikon 1 AW145 Olympus PEN E-P533 Fujifilm X-M120 Samsung NX30012 Sony Alpha NEX-5T10 Samsung Galaxy NX
Cipher: Canada only gets the black one. I want the orange model. Please Panasonic...make it available here.
And the white version seems to be limited to Asia: not available in NA and EU.
illissius: Would've really appreciated some pictures of some really big lenses on the GM1, just to see *just how* ridiculous it actually looks. I can guess that it looks stupid, but that's why I want to see it!
The official web page of Four Thirds consortium has the matching simulation, were you can put any official compatible lens on any m43 camera:
Resolution is unfortunately low, but better than nothing.
Josh SZ: The glass in the lens is not that large but the lens external diameter is pretty big. It makes the body + lens looking unballanced.
Unbalance is in the eye of the beholder.
Hint: Look at the weights of camera vs. lens. GM1 - 270g. 12-32 - 70g.
JEROME NOLAS: Not bad but not good enough...I'll pass and wait for built in short zoom.
Why wait?? RX100ii is already available.
kpaddler: Con: Focus mode dial not especially useful
Don't use it then! Nobody forces you.
I don't like the grip on omd EM1, should it be a knock against it???
There others who appreciate it.
> Don't use it then! Nobody forces you.
You should have read the review, instead of jumping to "conclusion".
In review the complain is that there are very few external controls. And some external controls - namely the focus dial - are of extremely limited usefulness, compared to the missing ones. Panny either should have put there more useful function or allowed the dial to be reconfigured.