robjons: Can DPR please just include the retail price of products posted on the front page? Annoying to have to dig for it.
> At the end ...>> Annoying to have to dig for it....I also vote for the price (if known) to be visible on the front page.
> 2.26 megapixel CMOS sensor> 0.0005 lux> $30,000
So deeply niche product that it's not even funny.
But the comments below, people /explaining/ why they need the 0.0005 lux, ARE funny.
So much outrage about effectively a 3D photograph.
It's not like it is yet practical and would rob you of your business overnight.
CameraLabTester: Barely a week into its existence... The AP channel has a clip of an Alaska Bear injuring an Australian Tourist as the most watched video, so far, with 186,000 views in just 2 days!
The internet is a strange and unpredictable universe.
"Just wait until networked VR comes!"
Then the delivery of nutrition via tubes.
And then humanity would willingly turn itself into the Matrix.
bootsofspanishleather: WHAT WOULD YOUR CHOICE BE.
I own a fuji xpro 1 with the 35F1.4 and the 18-55 fuji zoom2.8-4 . I also have a Lumix GX 1 with the external view finder a 25mm Summilux, a 45mm F 1.7 Olympus Zuiko and a medium to long. Lumix zoom. I love them both. I find image stabilization to be so helpful. Most I.S systems are in the lenses. Out of the 5 lenses only the two zooms have it, I am not sure how to proceed since I can't afford to own both. With a 20meg file, an image stabilized body, with the other lenses over shadow the Fuji. 16 megs, no I.S. body, the best viewfinder and the lenses I own! Also the Fuji X Pro 2 is supposed to come out in the first part of 2016. What would your choice be. I'm leaning Fuji but ???
> What would your choice be.
I do not like waiting a year. Because waiting always begets more waiting.
Today, if given your choices, I would have went with either GX8 or E-M5/mk2. And later picked up some cheaper (but newer than your current) Fuji body for the Fuji lenses.
Since you own a smaller m43 camera (GX1), I would actually recommend the (smaller) E-M5/mk2 over the (larger) GX8. Unless, of course, you want the goodies of the GX8 (e.g. 4K Photo modes, deep buffer, beefy grip). (Since your Fuji gear is larger than the m43 one, I would try to stick to the one larger system + one smaller system.)
@DPR, the GX8 in your camera DB is incorrectly listed as having a tilt display, not the "fully articulated" one. And the the "Environmentally sealed" should be "Yes" too.
"The internet is a strange and unpredictable universe."
Nope. It just shows how people really are. We are the herd. We are the animals. Chewing grass is not enough - we need the thrill to feel alive. And internet provides us with the endless stream of cheap thrills - from the safety of our homes.
Jurka: "Gets darker on smaller sensor"1.Take a pic with 2,8 on full frame.2. Go to Photoshop and crop picture 2X!3. It is darker now????
4. YOU ARE AN IDIOT!!!
Don't feed the trolls.
ThePhilips: I do not understand the "built-in flash" whiners. It might have mattered on the GX7, but GX8 is larger. You lose nothing of the portability or size by adding a pocketable external flash (Nissin i40, Mecablitz 26, Olympus FL-LM2).
Otherwise, I have used the built-in flash on my GX7 probably 3 times in all time I own it (and I bought right after the release). Larger built-in EVF totally worth the "sacrifice".
@ofquiet, I haven't said that, neither implied it.
And even if the GX8 had built-in flash, I bet your ilk would have been here complaining anyway, about how weak the built-in flash is.
privater: I don't know how is that bundle price comes from.Got my panasonic 14mm f2.5 for only $129 years ago.
$300 is the official MSRP of the Pana 2.5/14mm lens.
I do not understand the "built-in flash" whiners. It might have mattered on the GX7, but GX8 is larger. You lose nothing of the portability or size by adding a pocketable external flash (Nissin i40, Mecablitz 26, Olympus FL-LM2).
Richt2000: I wonder if they have sorted the colours yet. I gave up on panasonic and the GM1 was the last camera I tried - they are just aweful dull reds and blues.
I dont wannt to process raw all of the time, i want nice colours out of the camera. Like Olympus, Canon and Sony.
> Like Olympus, Canon and Sony.
Just set JPEG color profile to "Vivid".
It is very close to the Olympus colors. That's what I use on my GX7 after moving from the Olympus cameras.
Default Pana profile tries hard to be close to the reality which isn't really priority for JPEG shooting.
tb06mar: Confused. Why Panasonic developed 2 lines: G-series and GX-series. What are the differences between them?
> BTW, for issues, both are sharing "Shutter Shock" for now.
The new cameras from Oly have 0-sec delay which alleviates the shutter shock.
Pana has only e-shutter though, which, though solves shutter shock problem, is unfortunately e-shutter...
It's not a camera. It is a digital back. Many were asking for it. Let see how many of these devices would be actually sold outside the Kickstarter campaign.
P.S. Move the LCD and battery to the optional modules, and another dream of some - modular camera - would materialize.
Peiasdf: I keep mistaking this camera for my X-E1. m4/3 is going the route of 4/3, getting bigger and bigger to look more series to compete with APS-C/FF while not really competing on IQ. GX8 is wider and thicker than A7R II while having less features.
Rrrright. Because the very last camera is indicative of the whole product line, which also featured the smallest DSLRs to date. All forgotten at once, when they have released the E-5.
Oh, look! Sony's last released camera is the fixed lens RX100! Sure sign that they have dropped producing ILC cameras. /s
> m4/3 is going the route of 4/3, getting bigger and bigger
I do not think you know what you are talking about. One of the last Oly 4/3 cameras was the E-620, which was so small, that it was painful to hold it for any prolonged period of time. (I still have it, btw.)
> getting bigger and bigger to look more serious to compete with APS-C/FF
Right. We buy cameras for the looks.
> GX8 is wider and thicker than A7R II while having ...
... more native lenses, some of which actually benefit from the larger grip.
Not every lens is a 50mm. Not every camera is bought for the bragging rights on the street photography forum.
SeeRoy: " 100-300mm F4-5.6 will not be compatible with the system"How very considerate of Panasonic toward their existing customers. I own this lens so I'll be sticking with Olympus, thanks.
> How very considerate of Panasonic
If you are not trolling, and you really own m43 and really into the tele-lenses, then by now you should have already learned the well known fact that 100-300mm has slow AF. It wasn't made for fast action, and Panasonic is kind enough to openly state this.
Philly: Will someone at dpreview please put an Oly 12-60mm lens on this camera and tell us about the AF performance. Thanks! :)
@Mikofox, 12-60 needs the usual 43-m43 adapter.
AF works, but relatively slow: 12-60 is optimized for PDAF, not CDAF.
Howard: Honest question: What is the advantage of this camera over the Sony A6000?
Weather sealing. IBIS. Faster S-AF (A6000 does have very good C-AF, but S-AF slightly lags compared to the m43). Bigger RAW buffer. Larger body with more direct (and configurable) controls. Fully-articulated LCD (A6000 - tilt only). Finally, 4K video and 4K photo modes.
A6000 is a mid-level body, while GX8 is targeted at the enthusiast-level crowd. A6000 is a very good value for the money - but it is just not in the same class. If you are Sony fan, wait for the A7000 which is rumored to be announced soon: it should be in the same class as the GX8.
Dimit: They've gone crazy over there ay Panasonic!!! Should be mentally retarded not to grab A7ii instead of this m43 monster.Stupidity reigns !!!
Trk, let just say, you are entitled to your opinion. Even if it is an "opinion" about the basic equation from elementary school level math.