Griffo 155: Has a Fuji X series look about it?
No. It has the look of Panasonic LC1 from 2004. Almost precisely same look, btw.
Nukunukoo: I am so angry why Canon and Nikon are still thinking that they are still safe in their comfort zone. Sony, Panasonic, Fuji and Samsung are slugging it out with really good, cutting-edge, products.
@Mike, "Check again, and find out of the supporting data..."
Not going to. Financial reports are boring as hell. Finding the articles with quoted analysts takes too much time.
Last report I have read was pretty clear about Sony/Pana duo: Pana is recovering but uncertain; Sony hasn't yet restructured, highly volatile since only few divisions pull the rest of the company.
"One ore thing, when a given company gets in trouble. You and me do not give the company money to the company, but wall street."
Hu? I game mine to Panasonic - ordered my GX7 from them directly. :)
Wall Street is mostly playing with stock prices - it doesn't give or take anything to others. Those are banks that give money - but only when companies actually ask for it.
Anyway, as finances go, I haven't heard anything positive about Sony. Nothing depressingly negative either, but negative nevertheless: despite managing a profit, they are lagging in restructuring behind Pana by about 2 years.
Samsung, compared to Japanese companies, is a different bag of cats. Samsung is known to mercilessly kill off the units which are not profitable. If NX would fail to gain desired market share, Sammy would kill it. (There were dates named, but I can't recall them.)
All in all, the only large companies which are somewhat stable right now (and have stake in the camera market) are Canon, Ricoh and Panasonic.
(But Canon is expected to have troubles ahead: the printing market, the cashcow, is steadily shrinking. Printing is another victim of the mobile (internet) revolution.)
Smaller companies like Oly and Fuji are somewhat different, since camera business, on one side, is small compared to the rest of the company, but on the other side is irreplaceable part of the public image of the company. Thus the camera business plays more of a PR role, helping sales of other business units indirectly.
@Mike FL, I think you exaggerate and twist things slightly. Last time I was checking analyst columns, there were no word on imagine businesses at all. Cameras, as consumer products are highly visible, but market is small and has very negligible impact on the bottom line of the large corporations.
Now, Nikon is not large enough and camera business is a sizable chunk of the company. Thus the doom and gloom about Nikon.
Panasonic might close the imaging. Or might not. Pana is somewhat traditional company and have a foot in video market. With hybrid cameras becoming popular among pros, it would be hard for them to pull out.
Sony is a different story entirely. I'm not sure what you have read (link?) but actually Wall Street is extremely cautious about Sony since it is still financially troubled and, unlike Pana, hasn't recovered from the slump of TV sales. Several divisions are pulling the whole company, but whether it would give enough time to restructure, is uncertain.
EduPortas: Interesting, but a bit expensive. Samsung does not have the brand-sparkle to compete with big name camera makers. Also, if you are changing systems this suddenly becomes a costly proposition. I'm hopping for stellar reviews on the video side, THEN I'll consider buying this camera. I'm expecting great things at that price point.
"As for lens, Samsung is getting fairly complete if you ignore the exotic ones."
No mirrorless system at the moment has the exotic lenses. (I prefer term "specialist lenses".)
Architecture photographers, for example, are nagging for WA TS for as long as mirrorless exists. Or long macro. And still no dice. At least the tele-end gets slowly covered...
I, as an amateur though, is pretty OK with most of the systems. To me, NX matches the m43 pretty closely: cheap pancakes + decent (collapsible) standard zoom + decent tele zoom.
I went with Pana m43 solely for the AF speed advantage. NX was very very strong second contender.
nix27: So Panasonic is Magnesium and Leica Aluminum? Or is that a mistake. Also, no flash included as an accessory on the Leica? Still leaning toward the look of the Leica, plus three year warranty.
Edit: I guess dpreview changed the LX-100 specs from Magnesium to Aluminum as well.
"So Panasonic is Magnesium and Leica Aluminum? Or is that a mistake."
Probably it's over-simplification for advertisement.
Sole magnesium and aluminium are rarely used on their own - most of the time it is their alloys.
Magnesium-aluminium alloys are very popular for their durability and light weight.
In other words, very likely both statements are right. And both are wrong.
Wilight: I'm OK with the design of LX100, but I definitely prefer this one. And for the first time I can say: $300 isn't that much! Leica should also make a better looking version of the "CM1" smartphone... hehe
Leica made the camera less usable - they have removed the grip.
In my book, worse ergonomics should have lowered, not increased, the price.
raizans: too bad the lens doesn't go to 90 or 100mm-e. i wouldn't mind if the lens stuck out a bit more so i could do closer portraits.
Yes. The "standard" zoom range - 24-70 - sucks. That's why actually most "new" standard zooms now go up to 105-135mm.
But at least the lens has the 24mm eq FOV. Once you get used to the 24mm, it is hard to go back to the 28mm. Tele-end one can compensate, but it is much harder (often impossible) to compensate for the lacking wide end.
webber15: Correction man,,lenses designed by leica,,do your research,,if you all ready have,,your reaserch is incorrect...
People should watch the DPR's Pana interview about the LX100 and pay attention to the description of the "collaboration" with Leica. It matches pretty much all previous official statements about the collaboration.
Leica at most does the verification that the Pana designs and manufactures the lenses to its quality standard. That's all.
There is no "designed by Leica" there anywhere. All work is done by Pana - Leica only approves that the lens may carry the "Leica" label.
You see it now?
This Leica is so cheap because it has the old model of the red dot - the non-invisible one.
ThePhilips: NX1 is good but expensive.
I want to see what of the tech would trickle down to the NX400 and the NX3000.
What chances are that Samsung would do a low MP (e.g. 12MP) BSI sensor for the entry level cameras?
"...and what is the Canon EOS 7D Mark II (1799$),"
Sorry, forgot to add "expensive to me." I do not mind that enthusiast-level cameras in general are more expensive.
"Expensive to me" means that I simply do not need all the features of the NX1.
Considering the line up of pancakes, the successor to the plastic-fantastic NX2000 (kit with 20-50 goes for 260€(!!!) in Germany), with some features from NX1 (like the OS-PDAF and the deep buffer) might be very very interesting.
NX1 is good but expensive.
Wolfgang Ernst: The h.265 codec implementation is not any faint innovation but a true revolution. Even Sony and Pany, the only noticeable and remaining “video players”, didn’t manage to have this codec implemented up to now. All video folks who are actually running behind 4k will be frustrated as soon they start editing their footage: Monster files digested in slow PC's! H.265 is the forward looking solution for all future 4k applications. Thank you, Samsung.
Samsung stands to gain more from implementing the H.265. And Apple. Because that would give either of them a (short-lived) competitive advantage in the mobile market.
But the traditional video companies are pretty much never in rush to change something. The pro market is well partitioned and there is no real danger of competition.
Sdaniella: years ago, Samsung was not big in electronics, but it's intentions were ambitious, as they openly admitted they wanted to 'out SONY SONY', and go beyond.
they've come a long way
keep in mind, the NX1 is meant to be their first serious offering at the pro/prosumer crowd, who knows how it will improve from there ...
they remind me of Hyundai, who made the notoriously crappy cheap (affordable) PONY which was the laughing stock of car companies, now they offer cars progressively so much better, and make people think twice about buying Japanese or German or, um, ok, American ... it seems Hyundai is just as ambitious, probably wanting to rival Toyota/Lexus, etc
"I know Matsushita is BIG (owns Panasonic)"
Wow. This is old. Very old. A very old and wrong tale.
Matsushita never "owned" the Panasonic.
Panasonic *was* Matsushita's brand. But in late 90s they have started the switch to more famous (and easier accepted in West) brand name of "Panasonic". In 2008 they have officially renamed the company to Panasonic and since then the Matsushita, so to say, is no more. (At about the same time they have also stopped using the "National" and the "Technics" brand name.)
Black Box: "Unfortunately, the camera does not sit flat when the display is tilted down, which could occasionally be inconvenient."
I have an extremely vivid imagination but I can't even start imagine in what exactly occasion this can be inconvenient. Any examples?
Camera mounted on the tripod. It might be not possible to open/close the LCD. Or the LCD could be damaged when mounting on tripod
QuarryCat: I tried it at photokina,the AF is not impressing, it runs always in the wrong direction, with every lens and I tried several bodies.Firmware is not ready yet - they told me. Sony needed 3 years to get the AF good working and Fuji still try's to get it right:So from Panasonic or Olympus or Nikon 1 - they all are far behind and the Samsung NX1 is now lightyears back.Panasonic does the best AF-Job so far even better then Canon and Nikon - but Superteles are missing badly.And Photo is not yet like TV or smartphone - you can see who difficult it is für microfourthirds to step in the market and Sony ist still far behind Canon and Nikon.Maybe some day there are people taking pictures with Samsung, maybe.
In one of the interviews, Samsung reps said that AF the way it is, because literally everything possible and impossible is covered by patents. Anyway to make it faster runs into an already patented design.
The Asian companies appear to be too proud to license the tech from each other. Or too greedy, demanding exorbitant fees.
Let me guess in advance: the same stinky JPEG engine...
Otherwise, considering recent drop in price, the NX system looks mighty tempting.
Kevin Fitzsimons: Are you kidding Canon?? No built in wifi? You can put wifi in Powershot cameras that sell for less than $200, but now I have to pay over $800 for a wifi add-on! It's built into the 6D! I've been waiting for the 7D replacement, but I'm not buying until they put wifi into the camera. I use wifi all the time at events and sports I cover. I've been getting by with the 6D. This is a real bummer Canon.
"Transferring large JPEG's or even RAW's would take forever over WiFi."
On bad Wi-Fi implementation, as found in many current cameras - may be.
Wi-Fi is capable of 10MB/s transfer rates. That translates, with overhead accounted, into 2-5 seconds per RAW, or 10-30 RAWs per minute.
"I for one would not want to control via my Tablet."
You wish for *less* fully optional, unobtrusive features? Ridiculous.
The main advantage of the remote control with smartphone is that you do not have to be next to the camera to shoot with it. IOW, you can set up the camera on tripod close to the point of interest, but remove yourself 10-15 meters to not scare away your game.
Cipher: Canon...your DSLRs are so boring. The G7 X compact is a step in the right direction. You should get the same team who designed the G7 X to add some excitement to your DSLRs. Look at what Panasonic is doing. The LX100 with a large sensor and fast zoom in a small package. The GM5 with a large sensor and m43 mount in a teeny tiny body with EVF and wifi.
@NetMage, the "tiny zoom range" corresponds to (and is slightly longer than) the traditional 24-70mm standard zoom lens range. Or you label as "tiny zoom range" the CaNikon's 2.8/24-70mm lenses too?
beavertown: This shows Canon will always be ahead of Nikon.
Sad for no competition.
Have I missed announcement of the D400?