ThePhilips: Hurray to weather resistance!
I still can't understand why makers insist on the WR being a premium feature.
"Fitting dozens of o-rings and other seals requires tighter mfg tolerances to work properly."
... which is the level of quality one would already expect from a $500/more digital camera. And yet, cameras with the WR are still rare, even in the premium segment.
Hurray to weather resistance!
mlewan: I cannot afford this camera, and therefore it follows that everyone who can afford it is stupid.
I didn't know that Leica users were so bitter.
P.S. I can afford it. But IMO Leicas, by modern standard, are simply bad photographic tools. It's a luxury item anyway. One doesn't buy Leica to take pictures. One buys Leica to own Leica. Just like the expensive mechanical watches: look great, but bad at keeping time. Which is why I have a cheap quartz Swatch: it is good at telling time.
Chuck_IV: People are being a bit rough on this camera, but I understand why. I think it's in the WRONG price point.
I bought the T6s(along with the 18-135 lens) and really liked it. The new sensor gave me some great pics and better movies(over my SL1). It also had some nice features.
However, after doing some thinking on how much I just spent for this and its feature set, I couldn't get past the issue that the 70D was just $100 more and offered, from what I saw as so much more. Yes, I lost 4MP and a little better size factor, but you don't need to look hard for what more you get with the 70D over the T6s. I now have a 70D and couldn't be happier.
I think Canon blew it with the price points. If Canon knew they were going to drop the 70D price point, then IMO the T6s should have started at $150-$200 LESS than it is now. This would have given it a better separation from the newly lowered pricing of the 70D.
"I couldn't get past the issue that the 70D was just $100 more and offered [...] so much more."
That's nothing new. It is a typical dilemma for those who want buy Canon: prev gen Dxx always almost beats current gen Dxxx in price/performance.
I was at the cross road once and (because of that, among other problems) have simply decided not to with the Canon. The Dxx made Dxxx look way too handicapped. The Dxxx made Dxx look way too overpriced. While Pentax and Oly at the time offered the features of Dxx at price of Dxxx...
At this price point, with that kind of review, and still 77%? I think scoring system needs a review. Or simply review the review and adjust the language after assigning the final score. Because this is really confusing.
"Pushing boundaries"? Well, infomercial it is. (But very well made, and beautiful, nevertheless.)
But really, I couldn't stop thinking that we all should thank the Sony (and Nikon; your role wasn't forgotten) for the advancements in the sensor design which allowed for such great tiny cameras to be created.
tgutgu: Dream? It was never mine, at least. To me a rather superfluous feature and intermediate technology. In close future, cameras can have very high burst rates, even with full resolution.
> In close future
The current 10fps burst rate, a norm for all new cameras, is not high enough for you yet? Just wondering.
Anyway. The problem is not per the burst rate. The problem is to wade through all the resulting photos. Simply toying with e-shutter + burst feature on my GX7, in few minutes, the camera has recorded over hundred shots. I had spent more time cleaning the junk from the SD card.
The "4K Photo" changes the process (and the thinking) drastically: the captured pictures are transient, until you tell the camera to make them persistent.
justmeMN: This is a feature that every other camera company should copy.
As this very article says, first it was implemented in a Nikon's video camera in 1988. Long - as in loooooooong - before smartphones.
Graham Austin: When this hits sports and news photography, that's when it will really make a huge difference. So much data though!
> no but photographers wont have time to sit and go through the video
Did you miss the "Marker" feature?
A group shot with all eyes open... One can dream.
akjos: This REALLY takes the magic out of actual photography... Im sure Im not the only one feeling this way .Capturing perfect photo in perfect moment - that is real photography one can be proud of if getting THE shot. This....This is bs...5 yo can push a button a thats it .
You can't be more wrong.
One still needs to know where to look for the perfect moment. And how to look at the perfect moment.
All the "4K Photo" feature does is remove the reaction speed/shutter lag from the equation.
photo_rb: From reading the article, it looks like more of a high speed still shooting process rather than a way to get great stills from your video. IOW, if video is your prime need, you wont be shooting this way. Still it is nice to see.
That's why the mode is called "4K Photo", not "4K Video"...
ThePhilips: Remember the Canon's "Wonder Camera" prototype? Pretty much everybody has forgotten it - and it was only 5 years ago.
Sony and Pana do deliver now pretty much everything Canon predicted.
Sony - the versatile compact, which at times Canon said would obsolete the mirrorless, so why bother.
Pana delivered the "4K Pre-Burst" mode which is basically what Canon described back then as revolution of the still capture: just shoot video and pick a still from the reel.
The punch line here is that Canon predicted that everything - for 2030.
Not just behind technologically - they are behind even in their dreams and visions of the market development.
That is the corruption which happens to the market leaders: they take the "market leader" name too seriously, thinking that they lead the market. But in reality, the innovation always comes from *following* the customers. The proverb "carriage before horse" applies almost literally.
3DSimmon: We really are spoiled for choice these days, and sony sure is the sugar daddy
Sony has simply released the cameras everybody were asking for. At some level, there is really really nothing special to it. Except that, apparently, a company listening to prospective customers, in a deeply entrenched market, is so rare that it counts as special.
Tom Goodman: Since first releasing this camera a few years ago this is the fourth iteration. There have been several improvements of note. however, the price has jumped nearly 100%. That's not just progress. that's greed.
> however, the price has jumped nearly 100%.
Math again fails our fellow photographers?
RX100/mk1 - the one without tilt and EVF - has had MSRP of $649.
From $649 to $949 is less than 45% increase.
Remember the Canon's "Wonder Camera" prototype? Pretty much everybody has forgotten it - and it was only 5 years ago.
Mister Joseph: Should've used the 36MP sensor instead! But FF+28mm 1.7 is perfect. I have a poorman's version of this in the form of a Sony NEX 5R + Sigma 19mm 2.8 (with better hip shooting ability with the tilting LCD)
> whatever makes you feel better
Is that a fetish forum? Or photography forum?
Since when people here are about their "feelings" toward a lifeless piece of equipment?
> in the same breath as a full frame Leica
So? It is just a digital camera. It just takes pictures.
Yes. NEX-5 has a full APS-C sensor frame, designed for Sony E mount.
ThePhilips: 3 articles on DPR's front page - if anything, Leica knows how to make product launches.
> ... for almost every camera we have access to ahead of launch.
That is what I was referring too. Makes it easier for you - makes it easier for manufacturers. Yet some manufs still choose to make it hard...
KonstantinosK: It's just been introduced AND you had a hands-on preview AND a first impressions review, complete with studio scene shots. Wow, DPreview, I'm stunned.
> Leica and all the other camera makers [...]
No. Not all camera makers give early pre-prod samples to DPR to test. For example Samsung was quoted on more than one occasion for not providing cameras even after a launch.