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Thanks for the article. Would have been nice if the article found its way somehow into the "Software" hub you have in the menu.
tkbslc: Looks good in low light, but in daylight it is a wreck.
"[...] but in daylight it is a wreck."
At 100%. And nobody - especially on a mobile phone - looks at images at 100%.
GatanoII: What's the point of comparing an Android phone camera to an iOS phone, no one is going to switch system based on a camera.
Redo the test with the best selling Android phone as a reference and then it's a fair comparison, Galasy S3 vs HTC One that's what could be interesting, even if the One must be compared to the S4 as this are the phones that are going to battle in the stores ... and do extended video comparison as many people care more about video on a phone than photos now, since memory space is not a problem any more (especially the phones with big microSD cards)
"no one is going to switch system based on a camera."
DPR is read also outside of US, you know. There are such places where you do not need to sell your organs to change the carriers or phones.
Jefftan: no clear benefit
Smaller size of output images? Less battery drained when scaling down for web - because that's where most of mobile phone pictures end up? Less space is taken on the memory card and images are witten faster to it?
As mobile computing goes, there are plenty of advantages.
In a while, somebody made a totally rational decision about MP count. Congrats HTC!
People finding a Google's product useful? That's a good sign that Google would soon shut it down.
Clyde Thomas: Good pointers in this article.
Interesting not one mention of OOFA bokeh background separation with wide aperture. Not much strong strobist work either, other than little fill. Both techniques useable within the 10 minute limit, and both techniques could provide for less background hunting for something clever.
Also surprised no Tilt/Shift lens was suggested for unique focus opportunities for a quicky shot.
See samples of all these techniques at my web site.
www.ctphotographx.com
The quicky portraits in the "faces in places" category.
"See samples of all these techniques at my web site."
Level is tilted on many photographs. But that's OK - I abuse the trick too. :)
jedinstvo: My favorite portrait for a well-known business magazine was when the CEO was really enraged at the questions the reporter was asking him and stomped out of the office. I was waiting outside for my 2 minutes with Mr. Big and grabbed a quick frame with my Leica and a 50. I was ready because I'd heard shouting coming from the office....One picture! Turned out to be a good one but the reporter didn't have a story so it never ran. For Americans familiar with computer retailing in the 80s it was at Computerland and the questions concerned the influence of EST in the company's management culture.
Candid shots are always the best. They capture emotion of the moment.
Insightful. Simplicity and ingenuity.
DPR, post more about portrait shooting!
So. After all. They CAN produce a sensor with meaningful number of pixels.
CameraLabTester: Lytro is having a hard time explaining Lytro to potential Lytro users.
Try explaining that to mobile phone users who want instant gratification and couldn't care less with manipulation outside of Instasham.
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Mobile phone users rarely bother with the spec sheet of the on-board camera. And that's the beauty of it: there is no need for explanation.
And if Insta*beep* would update the app/whatever to support unique features of such sensors, for the users it would be seamless experience.
As much as it pains me to admit, mobile became the place for true photographic innovations.
Volumes and diversity of the products - as well as complimentary character of the on-board camera - allow for more experiments and new ideas than the traditional DSLR market (and even newer mirrorless market).
Love the comments bashing the bashers.
It's basically "You don't know 'cause you don't own it and you can't afford it!!" (Somewhat reminiscent of the comments about Leicas.)
But. When discussing the m43 gear it is: "I don't have it, I don't want it, I haven't even tried it, but it is still *beep*!"
Wonder about the overlap between the two groups of the commenters. Should bookmark the lot for the next m43 camera review.
P.S. Another nice piece of gear coming from Sony. Though if I were to buy anything Sony right now, it would have been the RX100 hands down: RX1 is way too large for my tastes (or rather: lens protrudes too much) while still having no EVF. Also IMO with such excellent sensor, they could have went with a darker lens.
Priaptor: You have to love all the hoi polloi posting their inane negative comments. None of you cretins even own one. It must suck to be just another wannabe.
"None of you cretins even own one."
May I quote your comment in the next *beep*-fest over m43? Thanks.
cooldavy: I owned NEX-5N and E 24mm f.18 which offers a 36mm equivalent focal length. I end up sold most of my NEX gears due to unreliable AF performance at low light environment. I cannot even get one well-focused shot in a 4-hour event!
Then I started looking for a mirrorless format with fastest and the most reliable AF in market, no doubt I got the MFT. I first got OM-D with Panny 20mm f1.7. Panny 20mm pancake is razor sharp, as it's what it gains reputation for. But I still failed to achieve my goal of switching from E-mount to MFT.
I preordered 17mm f1.8 at the very first day it showed up on websites. I am happy with the blazing fast AF speed. So when we talk about lens performance, please be take AF speed into account.
Panny 20mm AF speed is a known issue and many reviews/hands-on mention that. Sadly Panny doesn't seem to be planning an update. Even the older Oly 2.8/17mm, though optically inferior, focuses faster than the 20mm.
Peter Heckert2: Possibly this must be calibrated to the lens in use and so could prevent usage of arbitrary lenses. So is this for fixed lenses only?
@BJN: "The sensor should be agnostic to the light it receives."
But not to the angle of the light hitting the sensor. Deeper the wells are, worse the light capture at edges. And now we got here also the splitter and anyway you look at it, it would be sensitive to the angle.
mpgxsvcd: Think about this as a financial decision for a company. Why would they want to implement a feature that helps a few customers use an antiquated procedure(Manual Focusing) with lenses from other manufactures?
My guess is that management and marketing said “No” because they would much rather have the resources work on better Auto Focus tracking so they can sell more of the $1000+ lenses they are making or plan to make in the future.
The fact that he mentions resources at all indicates that they just didn’t think adding this feature was worth pulling their engineers off of something that is easy to advertise about(Fastest Continuous Auto Focusing in the World) for something that only a very select group of users will ever understand its value(Focus Peaking).
Just because 90% of the requests are for focus peaking doesn’t mean that 90% of the people want it.
"Why would they want to implement a feature that helps a few customers use an antiquated procedure with lenses from other manufactures?"
That was said in the same context where they have talked about zebra. The MF and the zebra are norm for the video. Focus peaking came later, but people were nagging Panny about zebra since the times of release of the GH2. And now to say that they basically forgot about all the feedback when designing the GH3?
Like you I can dismiss the management/marketing decision to push the expensive AF lenses, but lack of zebra (and lack of 4:2:2 output) to me says plain and simple that (like many other manufs) Panny simply ignores the user feedback.
I would say they choose the baby steps to maximize the profits. (And left themselves vulnerable to competition.)
"We want to offer a product that allows people to take beautiful pictures by just pressing the shutter - even without the knowledge of a complex, intricate camera."
Wrong. Ask pros and enthusiasts: many would gladly forget about the intricacies of the DSLRs and concentrate on the artistic aspects of photography.
One of the most interesting D800 user feedbacks was from a guy who said something along the lines: "you just set parameters as you wish, set ISO to auto and snap what you wish: the camera manages everything you throw at it." IOW, it takes power of D800 to liberate photogs from the intricacies. I can only dream that we would get eventually something similar in a P&S package...
b33g33: This seems to have all the benefits of Foveon with none of it's weaknesses.
Wouldn't this also improve color rendering and resolution over Bayer?
(From the press piece: "The result is highly sensitive and precise color reproduction. For example, if the structure separates light into a certain color and its complementary color, color pixels of white + red, white - red, white + blue, and white - blue are obtained and, using the arithmetic processing technique, are translated into normal color images without any loss of resolution.")
Hopefully they can get it to actually work outside the lab.
@plasnu. I wonder if that Panny sensor can be somehow combined with the Fuji X-Trans...
If it brings us even a step closer to the Foveon-like true-color sensor, I'm all for it.
Actually, this is a first time something what appears to be easy to manufacture is proposed.
But I'd love to hear how that "fine-tuning" of splitter supposed to work though. And the "white + red, white - red, white + blue, and white - blue" thing sounds to be quite prone to clipping in both directions.