ThePhilips: Considering the cons, hardly a gold medal material.
Or other FF cameras are even worse in the aspects?
That escalated pretty quickly.
... and all I asked was whether the mid-level FF cameras are still handicapped as before.
Considering the cons, hardly a gold medal material.
h2k: Personally i like write-ups much more than videos. I can't concentrate on videos.
DPR had the real-world write-ups about the Pentax MF camera and one of them was good.
I kind of understand your sentiment.
I personally prefer an article with several short videos.
Single long videos is a hurdle. (Most annoyingly: I'm not always at leisure to turn the sound on and/or no head-phones at hand.
ThePhilips: I understand position of the DPR and yet....
The list makes no sense, because the best entry-level mirrorless camera is a discounted 1yo mid-/top-level model.
I think you have missed my point. I'm in no way contending the winner of the roundup.
The list makes no sense, because it tries to include only the "new" cameras, and judging the class of the camera based only on the MSRP.
A round-up based on the average street price would have made much much more sense, because it would have expanded to include much more cameras, of much better price/performance ratio, yet available the low prices.
I understand position of the DPR and yet....
Mike Dobbs: umm, how does glass corrode exactly?
Sensor warms-up and cools-offs. Impurities in the glass expand and contract. The impurities start small, but with the time, they "carve" a hole in the glass which might become large enough to be visible.
ThePhilips: I have expected to see the Sony A99 as one of the picks on the last page. But otherwise, pretty unsurprising conclusions.
The most interesting bit for me is the explosion of the number of the FF cameras. I wish the manufacturers were as eager to bring their lens catalogs into the 21st century: some small and pancakes primes and zooms would have done much good to really expand the choices.
If you ask me, even a f/7 pancake prime is better than no pancake prime at all. But I can easily imagine a f/5.6 or f/4.0 (software-corrected) pancake to be quite popular.
IMO if FF wouldn't become more versatile, then it is destined to slowly bleed to death in a niche. What is the point of a small FF body, if there is no small FF lens to put on it?
I have no illusion that FF pancake can be as small as a m43 pancake.
But even if one dumbly scales up the m43 pancakes (multiply the dimension by 2) the size is still much smaller than the FF lenses.
The ironic thing is, producing a FF pancake should be much simpler than a m43 pancake, since the mechanics doesn't have to be as miniature.
Imagine an analogue to Pana/Oly 14-42 or Pana 12-32 pancake zooms. Or the pancake primes like 28mm or 35/40mm. Typical length of 2.5cm (1") in m43 terms, means 5cm (2") in FF terms. A 5cm thick (kit) zoom lens for FF? Would have been pretty exciting.
Compromise isn't that huge. The m43 system is the evidence of that. (And FF has even more headroom to compensate for the software corrections.) First.
Second, a FF sensor with high MP count might be interesting for lots of other practical reasons, not only that ephemeral optical perfection, which magically vanishes just after release of a new body or lens.
Fazal Majid: Missing the Leica M-E and M typ 240. That said, I am puzzled by the recommendation for the A7, given it has been thoroughly obsoleted by the A7II.
Leicas are high-end only in the "luxury" sense of the word.
StephenL: When will people realise there is no such thing as full frame? m4/3 is full frame to an Olympus user. Yet to a Pentax 645 owner, a Canon 5D sensor is tiny.
> Without being too pedantic [...]
I wish the same "not pedantic" worked for the 35mm FOV equivalence.
Every time somebody mentions "24-70mm eq lens" everybody's up in arms explaining that "how dare you!" and "it's not equivalent!!"
I have expected to see the Sony A99 as one of the picks on the last page. But otherwise, pretty unsurprising conclusions.
ThePhilips: Any "manly" variant available?
I spent some time looking for a messenger bag (for laptop plus something like bottle of water/lunch box/camera) but found nothing suitable. All bags which can hold laptop (2-3cm thick) and a camera (10cm thick) are too large. All bags of an acceptable size are not thick enough.
"Manly" bag? for a 13" laptop? You kidding?
Not really. They have messenger bags for laptops only up to 13". 15" is pretty much the standard size for power users, gamers and IT pros.
Any "manly" variant available?
aris14: Το DPR guys...Pls make this simple test.Take the 5-5 top cams of a certain category.Choose 5 or 6 nice spots.Have a tripod.Shoot the same spot with one cam after another.Post the results w/o writing which cam's pic is each pic on the list.Let us enjoy.Thx in advance
How are we supposed then enjoy the fullness of the full frameness of the full frame camera?!
How are we supposed then ridicule the puny frail cameras with the teeny-tiny sensors?!
This is a gear forum. Every bit of information should be included, from the ambient temperature, humidity and MSL, to the three sizes of the every female model, to the full medical record of every person who touched the camera and lens! Otherwise we would be at loss whether the photographs are equivalent!!!!
HornOUBet: I'm actually thinking about selling the 6D and buying the X-T1...though the Sony is tempting...http://camerasize.com/compact/#380.21,520.359,579.396,ha,t
> I bought it, and I'm not sure it is now.
It is not. Just checked. I assumed that it is weather-sealed since it is a kit for weather-sealed camera. But it is not. :(
Grave omission on Fuji's part. By all reviews, it is a very good lens.
Meaning that the A7's kit is not as far behind.
Lenses are still too large for my taste.
Stephen787: It is amazing how sony put an ibis in such a small camera. After living with electronic shutter from sony A7s, i will never again buy any camera without that feature. Therefore A7II is not for me. The next version with electronic shutter, i will buy that one. Is sony the same company that going bust? How do they do that!
"No, the company going bust is Olympus. Their medical endoscope business keeps them alive."
Their medical business is highly valued. (Cameras are something like 10% of their business.) Actually Sony was one of the companies queued up to buy Oly. But Oly refused, accepting only the loan from the Sony.
"Several of their board members are under investigation for fraud."
Ex-board members. Otherwise, *the* longest running fraud cover-up in history! :)
"Sony is not doing great but largely because of their TV and phone business."
Sony is doing bad across the board. There are only few profitable businesses keeping them afloat.
Oly, which is small and (currently) highly valued is in very very different place, compared to an enormous multinational like Sony, whose assets keep depreciating one by one.
If these are your only options, then it is no contest: Fuji's "kit" lens would easily trump IQ of all other. Needless to mention that Fuji's kit is also weathersealed.