jeremyclarke: What Canon needs:
• Mirrorless APSC camera with normal EF/EF-S mount.• SL1 size but a little flatter in the middle (or just SL1 size and go after GH4 demo)• EVF • Dual-Pixel AF with mirorless-standard number of focus points (i.e. NOT 9!)• ~$1000
I'd have bought that instead of switching to Fuji, and I'd now be saving up for Canon lenses.
With the mirror gone you could push optical elements into the mirror box space for mirrorless exclusive lenses. You could have real "lenscap" lenses with respectable optics.
A native mount mirrorless would be great for me from Canon or Nikon. But it's still pointless if they don't bolster the wide end of their DX prime map. I would need a 10 2.8, 16 2.8 and 24 2.0 to really change over... and even with that I doubt that setup would be cheaper than a used A7 with some legacy primes.
Some mirrorless bodies styled and sized like old film cameras would be perfect though.
neo_nights: Compared to Nikon's interview, I quite liked this one.Better than I expected.
First of all he seems to have a nice sense of humor (and I do not mean it ironically). Also when he says "maybe..." about mirrorless instead of "we are/will be considering that" is very meaningful coming from a Japanese executive.
But a bit full of himself stating that Canon's APS-C and FF sensors are the best out there.
You have to think... if he doesn't think his stuff is the best in the business, it speaks poorly on the whole company. It's just PR training really, doesn't mean anything.
Plus Canons are still good enough for a lot of pros, despite having worse technical IQ than Sonys for example. There's more to a camera than its technical IQ....
That 16 1.4.... daddy wants!!!!
O I came in here thinking/hoping this was the SamYANG stand.
sportyaccordy: I'm holding out for uncorrected RAW IQ tests, if such photos are even extractable from this camera. I am all for fast lenses if they are actually fast. Every stop of vignetting is a stop of speed you are not actually getting, or detail you are losing when the camera "fixes" it.
Kudos to Panasonic for making the effort though. If this actually makes good on IQ it's a pretty awesome deal.
I'm sure they have a full test coming.
I'm holding out for uncorrected RAW IQ tests, if such photos are even extractable from this camera. I am all for fast lenses if they are actually fast. Every stop of vignetting is a stop of speed you are not actually getting, or detail you are losing when the camera "fixes" it.
That 16-35 is massive.... scary as it's not even F2.8
Where is the wide angle FE prime???
Excited to see uncorrected raw files on this :-)
24 2.8 looks interesting. Nice focal length for APS-C, but we need 24 and 16 at 2.0 speeds to have a truly full prime lineup.
So someone correct me if I'm wrong on this- a pocketable 24-70 F/3.8-5.8 for $900 MSRP? This actually seems like a pretty good deal
I just don't know that I personally could do that when used A7 bodies are hovering dangerously close to the $1K mark, and I already have some decent FD glass...
Interesting idea, and I'm glad they went Android. Canon and Nikon should be doing the same.
I still think an array with a total area equivalent to a 1" sensor makes more sense though. 4 1/2.3" sensors = 1 1" sensor (100mm^2), and an array could enable something clever like breaking up the RGB and luminance channels to enable higher resolution and transmittance. Other potential options include multiple focal lengths to enable zoom and subject isolation tricks.
Impressive effort indeed.
But for $1400 for the body alone, I'm not quite sure. $300 more nets you an A7 body, which has a weaker lens map, but proven FF grade IQ. Unless BSI tech enables APS-C sensors to reach conventional contemporary FF levels of performance, I'm not quite sure. Hopefully DxOMark gets its hands on it soon, and answers all these questions....
Optional Wi-fi lol. What year is it?
sportyaccordy: 82x80mm so it's a big honker... but it's only 355g, I'm guessing due to the plastic construction
Pretty cool, but still... Nikon we need lenses like this on DX. 16 1.8, 24 1.8 in addition to the 35 and 50 1.8s, and then an 18-70/2.8-4 and 18-50/2.8 or even 18-50/2-2.8 like Samsung has, with VR of course.
Really looking at things now Nikon could use a big upgrade... some mirrorless bodies, an in body IS, and making DX a viable pro option. It's getting a little silly at this point.
I shoot prime and don't need a 135. Plus 135s exist. There aren't any wide fast DX primes at any price.
82x80mm so it's a big honker... but it's only 355g, I'm guessing due to the plastic construction
Stephan Def: This is still NOT going to make me buy Nikons grossly overpriced FF - Lenses (aka holy trinity). The very least I would have expected is in-Body stabilization, so that older FF Glass can work stabilized, however even Nikons current Glass is not stabilized on FF.
Other than that, DSLR is getting really old, there are tons of missing state-of-the-art features. Also Nikon has discontinued their capture nx2 software and are not saying a word about jpeg quality or addtional in-camera processing options.
Overall I will be looking into other options. Sony A58 can be had for a fraction of the price (like 370€) has in-body stabilization and excellent jpeg quality with very many processing and shooting options. It also supports a wagon-load of very good lenses at reasonable prices all of that at a very high-quality 20MP.
I think Nikon is very confused about their technology and product line-up, they look desperate to me, with no coherent & future proof strategy going forward.
Overpriced? You can buy third party. What other manufacturer has a cheaper holy trinity?
And the A58 is not in the same stratosphere as the D750. You might as well say the Iphone 6 is a better camera because it has in body stabilization and a nice panorama mode and the D750 doesn't. It's amazing how clueless people are.
All this, but they can't make a cheapish fast wide angle prime for the E or FE mount.... lol. I am all for innovation but cover the bases first.
sportyaccordy: Wow, $1K for an MF lens. Yes they are optimized for these sensors, but still.....
Unless these are tack sharp wide open, I am struggling to think of why to get these over the cheaper and faster Samyang MF lenses.
No... the best thing that could happen to the FE mount would be a fast 24 & 35 AF prime. I shoot MF 90% of the time and these lenses appeal to me, but they aren't what is needed for Sony's lens map.
sportyaccordy: What is the advantage of this over a NEX or RX camera with Wifi syncing?
Nobody is going to fumble around with this thing when for 9,999 out of 10,000 people a smartphone's camera has more than adequate IQ, as well as a quicker, faster, easier interface both ergonomically and workflow-wise.
Not to mention for that 1 in 10,000th person, once they find out the lens mount has camera bodies they will go with that. There's no way this thing will fit in a pocket, so for the hassle you might as well go with an actual camera that you don't need your phone to use.