$700 question: will these enable PDAF on the Mk1 A7? We will see
I love when DPR's peanut gallery brings the knives out!
Novel idea but I think I will get the Meike/Yongnuo/Samyang version for 1/10th the price!
Lee Jay: This is why I have SLRs. They do everything well. Great ergonomics, great viewfinder, great autofocus, great speed, great responsiveness, great flexibility, great image quality. Every other type of camera is a sacrifice. For example, picking on the first camera mentioned in the article, the A6000 has the worst ergonomics of any camera I've ever held and also has a terrible viewfinder.
Some people just don't like SLRs. That doesn't make them lazy. Stop trying to make your camera choice a reflection of your integrity.... it's just a device. You can't buy your way to righteousness.
Posting on DPR has been interesting. Reading the forums convinced me that an A7 would be a good camera for me.... reality was shooting MF and problems with the Techart adapter really hindered my shooting, and the price and QC of FE glass made that option untenable. Now I am pretty much set on a D610. I am hoping its size won't bother me.... but I know that it won't get in my way when shooting like the A7 did.
Smaller is not harder to transport in the context of cameras. There are no consumer cameras out the size of a 3/8" bolt, let alone a 0x90 screw. Don't blame camera makers for your inability to be responsible with smaller items.
I do agree with the ergonomics though. There is no reason for MILCs to have such terrible, small grips.
But ultimately Lee Jay you are doing exactly what the article is talking about- projecting your personal preferences as absolute advantages for any and everybody. Get some self awareness pls.
Bryan Costin: So it no longer a phone with a camera welded on, it's a camera with data capability that runs Android.
That actually makes sense. Most people already have a phone they like, and they have no interest in buying or carrying a second phone. But a connected camera? That's a lot more interesting.
But they'd have been better off relaunching as a new product to avoid the obvious snarky comparisons to the previous model.
No, this makes no sense. People change phones a lot, and don't want to carry ANY other device- camera or phone. So putting a higher end camera on a phone makes a ton of sense.
Now what are they left with? A 1" fixed lens camera that will probably cost the same as something like an RX100II, that will still need a phone with data to utilize its connectivity features. For the money, someone serious about photography would rather just pick up a cheap ILC kit or FLC.
The device wasn't a bad idea; where they failed was its launch. Its eyewatering release price combined with Panasonic not getting it out through a carrier that would enable buyers to finance it is what really sunk it. At its current price it is competitive with the Iphone, and I think with the right marketing and the ability to finance it people would check it out. Now it will just be another fixed lens camera with a useless Andoid interface that nobody will buy. Panasonic might as well not even bother.
sportyaccordy: This is REALLY HARD to justify over an A7II, even with the(SLIGHTLY) cheaper lenses.
The "OVF" is a gimmick as well. They should have spent that money on the new 4MP EVF. I hope they did away with the unswitchable high ISO NR too.....
@munchaussen ordinarily I think OVF vs EVF comes down to choice, but the fact that the OVF on the Fuji doesn't even show you what is coming through the lens makes it useless. You might as well just remove your eye from the camera completely.
@Frank18 6D doesn't have IBIS, which goes a long way with those primes. You are right about the size issues, but even still... EF 35/2 IS and the Tamron 1.8 primes balance well enough with the A7. Truthfully if the A7 had a deeper grip I think it would balance OK with bigger lenses.
Functionally, on this camera, the EVF is clearly better than the OVF for the purpose of photography. If the OVF here worked like an OVF on a DSLR that would be different... unfortunately it doesn't.
Why do you feel the A7II can't be compared with the X-pro? They are both $1700 high end ILCs.
You don't need an OVF or a $1700 camera to get into photography. You can get into photography with a SMART PHONE :-D
This camera just does not look like a good value. They are taxing the hell out of early adpoters.
That's one place Fuji is killing it. If Sony had just followed their lens map to the T but adapted it all for FF the FE line would be unstoppable.
You don't have to spend $1700 to get a good handling APS-C camera. And I don't see how well this thing can handle with that nonexistant grip. A Costco tourist DSLR kit will handle better and generate great photos for a lot less money.
This is REALLY HARD to justify over an A7II, even with the(SLIGHTLY) cheaper lenses.
joyclick: Want 24mm,28mm,35mm,50mm,85mm,105mm,135mm - (35mm equivalents) dedicated DX primes.
High end crop lenses make sense when there are no larger formats on the same mount. We saw this on E mount before they went full frame, we saw this on Samsung, we see this on Fujifilm and MFT.
When a FF 50 1.8 can be made for $100, it's really hard to justify a crop version that will inevitably cost more and perform less. Now obviously FF bodies cost more than something like a Rebel or D3300, but they give you a lot more features and IQ as well. And if you are buying a few lenses that differential begins to matter less and less.
I am still hopeful for a sub 6D/D610 FX body from Canikon. I am OK with a pentamirror and Rebel level build quality as long as I can have 2 dials and a FF sensor. Across the board the lenses just perform better and allow you to do a lot more.
Just because there is a lack of lenses in that range doesn't mean we are forced to accept anything that gets thrown out with open arms. Tokina's own 12-24/4 and 12-28/4 are far more useful and don't give up much to this. The Sigma 18-35 weighs and cost only slightly less than their own 17-50 2.8 + 30 1.4, which gives you both more speed or OS. All that is missing in this segment are fast wide angle primes. If I am going to pay $800+ for a 2lb lens I would rather just shoot FF.
The Tokina lens is not wide or long enough, and both the Tokina and Sigma are way too heavy. For photojournalism a standard 3x 2.8 zoom will be better, and a lot of people (including myself) just prefer to shoot primes.
Nikon does need some DX primes. 12mm 2.8, 16 2.8, 24 1.8 (FX is too big and expensive) and a new UWA zoom. From 35mm on it makes no sense to make dedicated DX lenses.
ProfHankD: Nice looking set of features... except the price! $2K for an APS-C body and $6.5K for FF? I get that these are "flagship" products, but those are prices that only make sense for folks who upgrade once every six years.
These are not disposable consumer grade cameras. Pros work on very long replacement schedules.... they don't jump for cheap gimmicks and need meaningful comprehensive updates, which these things definitely are.
Plus I am pretty sure the D3/D300 and 1D/7D series were all just as expensive.
goblin: DPR, maybe if you had remained a camera and LENS review site rather than a camera review and a lens press release relay site you could have turned the tides on Samsung's decisions as well.
Big good it does us to know that the two new lenses are outstanding if we have to make an opinion on them from Amazon's star system and from bloggers.
You used to be the MAJOR lens review site with still the BEST lens review widget. Shame we have yet to check several years old reviews to enjoy those.
DxO has that lane covered. And no, DPR's slow down in reviews is not the cause of Samsung's downfall.
sportyaccordy: Jesus Christ man. How many variations of this lens do we need? If Nikon put 1/5th the energy it puts into its 18-55s into DX primes Nikon DX would have a prime set to rival Fujifilm's by now.
DX kit lenses do. Nobody is buying this lens on its own. Nikon should just make a fixed lens APS-C camera with these lenses.
Jesus Christ man. How many variations of this lens do we need? If Nikon put 1/5th the energy it puts into its 18-55s into DX primes Nikon DX would have a prime set to rival Fujifilm's by now.