sportyaccordy: This should have been an F-mount mirrorless camera. W/video, the D610 sensor and a price tag of ~$1500 it would have made a lot more sense. It should have blended the old with the new like Fujifilm and Olympus' cameras.
No mirror = one less thing to break, less weight, more design freedom. Nikon could keep the F-mount, but design new mirrorless F-mount lenses that fill up that space with optical elements, making the lens "smaller" without sacrificing much optically. They could make a smaller sensor and use that space for an optimized focal reducer. There are a lot of good smart things that could be done with that space. That extra flange depth is hardly "bulky". I'd gladly deal with that bulk and still be able to use Nikon's huge lens library on a smaller, lighter, simpler body.
This should have been an F-mount mirrorless camera. W/video, the D610 sensor and a price tag of ~$1500 it would have made a lot more sense. It should have blended the old with the new like Fujifilm and Olympus' cameras.
Adrian Tung: I've seen this camera up close, it is really big and bulky for an MILC-Android hybrid.
My personal opinion, not that anyone cares, would be:1) should have been in NX300 form factor with optional EVF attachment2) should have provided dual memory card slots -- one for Android usage (apps, music, documents, etc) and one for frequent removal and swapping (i.e. captured RAW photos)3) offer cellular communication (GSM, etc)*
* more of a curio than a serious suggestion... but it would be neat to be the first, no?
I agree 100%. Only thing that would further sweeten the pot would be a "cap lens" to enable carrying it in my pocket. My NEX C3 fits in my pocked without a lens easily.
This could almost work. I think for this application I would rather have a fixed focal length collapsable lens though. Make portability and IQ the primary objectives.
You know, on the outset these sound like great lenses, and I'm sure they are. But I think I will pass. The 16 2.0 for example sounds FAST. But on APS-C it's equivalent to 24 3.2 35mm. Meanwhile, I can get a Lens Turbo and an old 24 2.8, which would translate to a 16 1.8, for less money. A lowly 50 1.8 becomes a 33 1.2. Etc. etc. Plus I would be getting 2 lenses in 1 with each lens. Not saying these lenses are worthless or that the speed booster combos would be a match in IQ, but for me right now, ehhh. I mean a 24 2.0 an 50 1.4-1.8 would cover the span of a standard zoom with max apertures reaching 1.0 depending on the combo. Plus it's all MF anyway.
Fransv: Why are phones such a succes? Right, because user interface is appealing. Why not make WiFi or bluetooth transfer easier to social media. Room enough in SLR-bodies I would think.
Unless the DSLRs are given full connectivity, it doesn't matter. Most folks aren't connecting to WiFi everywhere they go and a Bluetooth connection will always be a clunky pain. They just need to put better cameras in phones.
Peter Kwok: Will DSLRs be killed by mirrorless, or BOTH of them will be killed by smartphones?
Current DSLRs are better than mirrorless in two areas, phase detect AF & real time optical VF. With better electronics & software, mirrorless will catch up on both areas in less than 5 years.
Consumers always favor convenience over picture quality. The current boom of DSLR is not normal. Back in the film day, consumers bought a lot more Kodak Instamatic cameras than SLRs. The SLRs had a short boom in the late 70's starting with the Canon AE-1. When 35mm P&S offered AF, consumers went back to the smaller P&S. Meanwhile, Polaroids sold well because it was fun passing photos around with friends.Smartphone are today's Polaroids, except their photos are a lot better. They are killing off cameras, starting from the small P&S. The big full frame cameras (DSLR or mirrorless) will survive. However, without the profits from consumer DSLRs, the development of lens & bodies will be reduced.
OSPDAF removes that advantage. A mirrorless EF or F mount APS-C camera will put the nail in the mirror.
marike6: Just got back from B&H in NYC, where everybody was walking around with their cameras. The overwhelming majority of people, lots and lots of people, were carrying FF and APS-C DSLRs, quite a few with high grade pro zooms.
Lots of armchair predictions about the direction the camera market is taking. But if DSLRs are dying, the huge number of people I saw walking around one of the world's largest camera shops apparently didn't get the memo.
Oh marike marike marike. If these folks have cameras already, who is going to buy them in the future?
Phones are successful because people HAVE to replace them often, and they can do a hundred different things. If Nikon wants to stay alive, it needs to make smartphones.
They need to dumb down the sensor and cut the price by 1/3 or even 1/4. This is crazy
Kendunn: Just what the world needs, another lens mount! Cameras do look impressive, though.
It's not semantics. It's the same mount. E-mount has had full frame lenses for a long time for their video end. You just want to complain and don't know what you're talking about. Congrats
Greg VdB: Seems like they looked hard to find applications for this revolutionary design... Then again, I imagine that's to be expected in a super-competitive market segment where law suits and patents rule.
The only thing that would make me consider one of these gigantic smartphones would be innovations that actually make them pocketable again. Like the flexible (foldable/rollable) screens that have been hinted at. I'm not holding my breath though...
That's the funniest part... everything that they put on this screen, they could apply to a flat screen. It's a joke. Bring on the pocketable APS-C phone please.
sportyaccordy: Thank God for the Minis. S4 Mini will be my next phone. Stuff like this and the Galaxy Mega are answers to questions nobody is asking with their dollars.
@viking79 why not just get a full blown tablet?
Thank God for the Minis. S4 Mini will be my next phone. Stuff like this and the Galaxy Mega are answers to questions nobody is asking with their dollars.
Wake me up when the pocketable APS-C cameraphone arrives....
8x better than other cameraphones is still pretty bad compared to a decently quick large sensor anything.
Greg Van Deusen: I've sometimes wondered why cameras aren't made with round sensors to capture the full [round] lens image. It would give you more image area to crop from.
Sensors are made in big sheets... circular sensors would be very wasteful
Welcome to the cloud!
This is a far more exciting development to me than the generally useless MP race. I'd rather have 6MP @ a clean ISO51200 than 100MP at no more than ISO3200
Now all Sony has to do is make a lens of this quality, FL and speed for 1/3 the price in pancake form!
Seems like we are going to run through a lot of bad ideas before arriving at the inevitable most logical conclusion (largish sensor cameraphone). Nikon's V1 system would still be with us today if they had introduced it as an Android phone (and came with a pancake lens- I don't know what the lineup was). An "RX-10" APS-C camera from Sony would be a hot item with a thin design, collapsable fixed focal length lens and full on 4G phone capabilities. Hell, even if it were thicker I wouldn't mind- most of my phones (Ericsson P800/900, Treo 650, G1) have been pretty thick; I think serious photographers would be OK with a bigger phone if it could take pictures like a "real" camera.
I suppose Sony deserves credit for taking a risk, but it was a stupid risk and doesn't really address any of the issues facing phone photography. If I have to bring an extra device that won't fit in my pocket I will bring my cheaper, easier to use, faster NEX-C3 + kit lens.
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