Malcolm Kantzler: It's nice they learned about quicker customer-service response with the D600 manufacturing flaw, but it's not nice that they didn't learn about quality control, as evidenced by the repeat of a manufacturing defect in the rush to release the D750, or that they didn't mention any emphasis on improving the QC process after both disasters.
And they were disasters, because the sense of Nikon off-the-shelf dependability is gone, and after being a victim with the D600 and the D750, I will never buy another new Nikon body until after it's been out long enough to hit its first price reduction. And if I were not a lifetime Nikon user, from when the FTn was the top-line model, and did not have a large lens investment, I would switch to Canon for the next upgrade. As you might guess, I consider the back-to-back QC failures and the way Nikon handled them to be inexcusable!
The shortcomings you mention are indicators of a systemic QC problem and are not inconsequential, but when you highlight product problems of a company, you can't name them all to make a point, so the worst ones are put out there as an example, the ones that have no user-compromise fix, that require the user to go without the product for a repair return, the ones that are all the more grievous because of the category and price of the product. I also never owned the DXXXX cameras, but did own the D600 and do own the D750, so it is to be expected that would also be a reason to single them out.
It's nice they learned about quicker customer-service response with the D600 manufacturing flaw, but it's not nice that they didn't learn about quality control, as evidenced by the repeat of a manufacturing defect in the rush to release the D750, or that they didn't mention any emphasis on improving the QC process after both disasters.
Tom Mounsey: No Support for Windows XP means goodbye Adobe for me. I'm sick of being mugged by companies like Adobe and Microsoft milking us every 18 months to stay on their merry-go-rounds.
I also would not write off anything for dropping XP support. XP has problems, and it always has. Further, MS will be dropping support for XP anytime now that 8 is out. It's very expensive for them to support an OS, esp. one that was flawed from day one and is losing what users didn't upgrade to 7 now to 8..or MAC.
mickeyfoto: Which is best for Astro photography - D600 or D800 and why?
I'm just starting out in astro but want to be sure that the kit I get will last. Are there any specific considerations which would make me chose either the D600 or the D800? I'm currently experimenting with a D200.
Any advice very gratefully received, thanks
The D800E would be best if you can afford it, because of the removal of the low-pass filter on the CCD. But, that advantage will only be appreciable if you're very experienced and using top-grade glass.
Otherwise, excellent astro-photography work has been being done with Nikon and Canon DSLRs since they came out, so either the D800 bodies or the D600 will give you all your skill can deliver.
vaha: What would you do if you are someone interested in photography, don't shoot that often, would like to have a decent camera and want to go FF?
Would you pay £1955 and pre-order a Nikon D600?
Or would you walk into Jessops and get right now a Canon 5D MkII + a 24-105mm lens for £2199?
Nikon D700's don't seem to be available anymore in Jessops :(
If you don't shoot that often, why go FX at all? Especially with cameras like the D7000 or D3S out there and so many used, and much less expensive DX lenses?
FranciscoJG: I look forward to at least a year for a Nikon that I imagine will be built.Was waiting for the D600 had a lower price at least 400 USDAnd if this is asking too much, then create a new APS-C with ergonomics and build quality of the D300, but with a sensor at least to the level of a D7000.I feel that my long wait for a Nikon, was again in vain. D600 is not a good example in terms of construction and ergonomics of FX segment, and is too expensive for a APS-C segment Do not know what they want with this new model D600, but will not convince many buyers. Not at this price.And I do not see that anyone escape the aps-c for this new model and will spend on objective what a FX requires. Get photos of aps-c level, at this price? for what?!
I think there might be a chance Nikon will drop the price of the 600 $200-$300 after Canon comes to market with its competing model, scheduled for December.
FranciscoJG: The structural problem of D600 is just the tip of the iceberg.The D200, D300, D700 and the other professional range have better grip. By comparison, the grip on the D600 is uncomfortable as it is in the D7000. And I much prefer the control layout on the D300 and D800 because they're so similar, like that of D600 is a lot similar to the D7000Maybe convince the least technically advanced amateurs, who make pictures here and there, does not convince those who do use in long events, or in professional use. Even for professionals for whom the price is tempting, doubt the quality of use and durability. No doubt the quality of the photographs that she allows, but it will be money well spent?!Will it sell well?Is expensive for amateurs, is hardly useful for professionalsWhere is the replacement for the D300?Begins to be late for Nikon to react
I shoot weddings also, which is the hardest test of camera ergonomics. I could afford the D800, and compared to the 600, preferred it only because of its better AF and full mag-alloy construction. I decided the 36MP was too much, compounded too many difficulties in both shooting-precision/processs requirement and post-process, and that the mag deficit (front and bottom) in the 600 could be made up by getting the mag-frame MB-D14 grip to cover the non-mag 600 base, better protecting the camera in the area most likely to need it and giving my larger hand the hold on the camera I need, especially for the long-term wedding holds and the often used vertical-orientation controls.
In deciding, I also remembered I never used the MB-D10 on the D700, and it was, just the body w/o grip, quite a load after six hours.
NorthwestF: Phillip Blooms tweets that Nikon D600 does not have manual control in video
That's kill D600 for anyone who was even remotely interested in video ...
You might not see above where I wrote that you can shoot with an excellent AI/AIS lens and you can adjust the aperture all you want as you shoot 600 vid. And, I said I'm not sure, you might be able to adjust vid with non-G AF lenses too, don't see why not if you can do it with AI/AIS lenses, but, again, not sure on that. I really would rather the 600 had no vid and instead had the wider AF module anyway.
avbee: "can't adjust aperture during movie recording." that's a big problem... As I know, that D600 has to turn off the Live view to change aperture. How about use viewfinder instead of Live view? Can we adjust aperture with Live view off and use the viewfinder?
Shoot with an excellent AI/AIS lens and you can adjust the aperture all you want as you shoot 600 vid. And, I'm not sure, you might be able to adjust vid with non-g AF lenses too, don't see why not if you can do it with AI/AISlenses, but, again, not sure on that. I really would rather the 600 had no vid and instead had the wider AF module anyway.
GPW: Nikon should know the number of customers using DX cameras by the sales. If Nikon wants to curve customers away from DX then they should drastically drop the price of their 400/500/600mm lens so the non-professional customer(sports/wildlife) can afford them and still get the reach of the DX format cameras.
But, if you put a DX lens on the 600, it automatically crops to DX, so you can't get FX CCD with DX lenses.
AlNikon: I bought a D600 just a few days ago. Initial results are quite good but I think that I will have to experiment a bit to exploit the D600's full capabilities. Compared to the D300 I also have, it is certainly a whole new camera alright. Would I recommend one to any other D300 owner - oh yes..!! If you want to keep your D300 as a backup camera, like I am, that's a good idea but get used to seeing better shots from the 600. In my opinion the D300 may go down as one of Nikons best ever DSLR's, for putting so much into it (build quality and options etc) and getting the best results possible in its class and/or above. It punches way above its weight and is hard to beat for a 12 MP camera but I think the D600 is already capable of "at least" the same sort of performance in its class, in my humble opinion. This may well become a 10/10 performer...
You can take a pic while shooting vid on the 600, but it ends the vid, saving the file up to the point the pic was snapped.
RaniaUCF: I'm wondering how the d600 will feel with a 14-24mm lens attached? Heavy lens on this light body? Am I going to hate life :)
I sold my D700 to order D600. I never used the MB-D10 on the 700—didn't need it, and I have larger hands (6'1" 210 lbs), and I usually carry around with the 180f2.8D or 17-35 f2.8. I also ordered the MB-D14 with the D600 and know I will always be using it on that one, and that might be a solution for you. In addition, the MB-D14 has mag frame, which will negate the fact the D600 does not have mag base, providing near D800/F4 body ruggedness for the camera.