MPA1: It's OK. The good ones are made in Japan...!
You mean the real ones.
I guess Nikon was right. As long as they make sure the price is high enough people will buy the thing, assuming that high price = good product.
Ashley Pomeroy: Nah. I'm not a brand snob, but 24mp is absolute overkill unless you're a technical landscape or architectural photographer, or a working professional who absolutely needs a high-resolution file, in which case the noisy output and flimsy body aren't very impressive.
I can picture the typical consumer being angry when those 24mp images take ages to upload to Facebook and display on an iPad screen. For a compact, fast-shootin' camera like this I would prefer a really good 12, 16mp or so file with excellent image quality at ISO 1600 and Fuji-esque dynamic range, so that I can shoot in suboptimal conditions and still have a usable result. Twelve more megapixels is neither here nor there.
If the "typical consumer" buys this camera, sets it to 24mp and then gets angry about images taking ages to upload, then I have no sympathy whatsoever for this "typical consumer". Sounds more like a "typical moron" to me.
Nice camera that would be a big contender for me if I was on the market for a new one. The ergos seem nice and it has a better sensor than the GFs.
For those who want a camera like the Sony NEX, then quit moaning and get a Sony NEX. For those who want a full frame sensor I will recommend the Leica M9...
While I am here let me say I am disappointing that the new Panasonic viewfinder is apparently not backwards compatible with older Panasonic cameras.
Why can't they make things right from day 1? If I buy a camera I expect to use it. Not spend my time trolling the interent for firmware updates...
PaulRivers: You know what's really weird?
*Try comparing vs the Nikon d7000*. At base iso the d7000, despite being a well respected dslr, is always as bad or worse than the nx200. At high iso the d7000 is occasionally better but it's usually close.
The Nikon d7000 is a well respected camera...I just wonder what is going on with the shots and comparisons when the d7000 appears to often do worse...do sometimes the shot with the camera gets the picture in focus better than others?
Well respected does not necessarily equal good. Nikon IS a well respected brand. Perhaps that means they can get away with things that other less respected manufacturers can't.
Interesting. People are saying this is bad/terrible. What do those same people think of the Nikon V1 then? The Samsung stands head and shoulders above that thing...
LukeDuciel: It's very attempting to me, only if the sensor is bigger ... I have a GF2 and a G11. Although I really think GF2 can improve a lot in operation and aesthetic design, the image from a larger sensor is no-doubt better.
If X10 features a four-thirds sensor, I will be lining in the queue for one.
This is a compact camera. If the X10 had a bigger sensor the lens would have to be bigger and it would not be compact anymore. The X10 is a wonderful contribution from Fuji. The only reason I dont like it is that I want to be able to see shooting info in the viewfinder.
Nick Larsen: I have one of this on pre-order. I'm hoping the quality will be good.
Awesome. Hope they make one for micro four thirds.
Maaku: I've played with oneThis camera's awesome ..! 10 fps with no finder blackout , extremely fast focusWith the adapter my 70-200 2.8 becomes a 189-540 2.8 .. 10 fps ..!This thing has the potential to be a really great sports camera.It's very well made and a lot smaller than it appears. The kit lenses are very well made,
The question is ,how long before they bring out the normal fast prime
4 years is my guess.
Seems like the only good thing people have to say about this us that it has a Nikon badge. The most common excuse for this is that Nikon made it sub standard on purpose, so it would not compete with their entry level dslr cameras.
Well, I have news for Nikon. Those entry level dslr cameras are as obsolete as their "new" (actually four year old idea) V1 and J1.
magnumgf: I think this explains a lot, from the dpreview preview: "According to Nikon, the 1 system has been four years in the making. Tracking back, this means that Nikon started work on its new mirrorless system in mid-2007 - about a year before Panasonic launched the pioneering Micro Four-Thirds system with the Lumix DMC-G1."
They spent too long on this. Now 4 years have passed, Nikon has launched it's cameras but oops, seems like some other manufacturers have had better ideas that make Nikon's 4 year old obsolete. Thankfully there still seem to a lot of folks out there who are willing to buy the Nikon cameras regardless...
Now I understand why Nikon didn't just make a micro four thirds camera. Micro four thirds didn't exist when they were choosing the specs for this thing. Maybe Nikon will eventually launch a micro four thirds camera. Hope it does not take them four years.
4/3 is a standard, not a competitor. If they think their lenses are any good they would make some with a 4/3 mount. If the market thinks they are any good they would sell like hot cakes. There is nothing stopping them, IF they are competitive. Panasonic/Leica and Olympus already make some good lenses for 4/3.
I think this explains a lot, from the dpreview preview: "According to Nikon, the 1 system has been four years in the making. Tracking back, this means that Nikon started work on its new mirrorless system in mid-2007 - about a year before Panasonic launched the pioneering Micro Four-Thirds system with the Lumix DMC-G1."
Jitensha101: Nikon has filled a yawning gap in the sensor-size bestiary, but the pricing isn't consistent with the technical positioning or the users apparently targeted by Nikon for the System 1. Nikon needs to correct this mismatch if the system is to be successful.
Are you sure? Judging by some comments below there are a lot of people who could care less about the "technical positioning" and the pricing. As long as it has a Nikon badge, they want it. Maybe Nikon should be charging $500 more for those cameras...
magnumgf: A point and shoot with no flash (The V1)??? Who exactly do Nikon expect will buy that thing? Serious photographers? No, sensor size smaller than similarly sized cameras made by other manufacturers and the lenses don't seem to be very good. (See samples posted earlier, top of Martini bottle).People looking for a camera for holiday snaps? No, you can get cameras that are a lot cheaper and better suited to that purpose. Cameras that have an integral flash and are a lot more compact.The only people I can imagine buying this are this are those who want a Nikon badge and could care less about anything else.
They are going to take one look at it, ask why it costs more than X, Y and Z and when they don´t get an explanation that makes sense they will buy X Y and Z. I don´t know about Asia as a whole but I have some insight into the Japanese market. To the Japanese Nikon is nothing special. There is much more awareness of brands such as Sony and Panasonic.
Kirppu: So how many is really considering of buying either one of these, with the current price?
I need a viewfinder and an integral flash. Neither of those cameras has both. I also want to get the biggest sensor I can get for the price and size of the camera. For some reason Nikon has made a camera costs more than most other mirrorless offerings, is the same size but has a smaller sensor... Now, why did they do that, and why would I want one? Oh, yes, because it has a Nikon badge on it!
Maaku: Im looking for a small mirrorless system to compliment my D7000.so I have looked carefully at all that are available. I had a chance to play with the J1, It's really a very nice little camera.It's small, , equal in size to the NEX5 and the Pens. The lenses are small and very well made. I don't know why DP's testing the 10-100. the kit lenses are very small. It's very well made, the controls are solid and you get the impression that it will last..It's really fast, the focus is excellent , and 10 fps is cool in a mirrorless camera, you get instant feedback, I'm anxious to try the V1 with the EVF.As far as IQ there are dozens of sites that have samples and it's the equal of 4/3's . They will be very successful . Sure , they're probably $150 overpriced but so what..?
So you would pay $150 for a Nikon badge and an entry ticket to an inferior (smaller sensor) system?
A point and shoot with no flash (The V1)??? Who exactly do Nikon expect will buy that thing? Serious photographers? No, sensor size smaller than similarly sized cameras made by other manufacturers and the lenses don't seem to be very good. (See samples posted earlier, top of Martini bottle).People looking for a camera for holiday snaps? No, you can get cameras that are a lot cheaper and better suited to that purpose. Cameras that have an integral flash and are a lot more compact.The only people I can imagine buying this are this are those who want a Nikon badge and could care less about anything else.
magneto shot: why would anyone buy this instead of the NEX or m43? Nikon should just eat the humble pie and followed the footstep of :1) NEX : using APSC all nikon lens owner would be able to use the new camera 2) m43 : at least you get much better picture quality and bokeh capabilities due to sensor size, compared to 1"
Instead, Nikon just want to show the world that they are able to innovate and produce a system for the sake of producing one.
Nikon can make the system. The question is, can they make buyers?